Tate Martell's Case for Immediate Eligibility

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

Graduating in 2 years?

Impressive.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

He was an early enrollee and also would have taken classes during the summer. It's not really out of the realm of possibility that you could graduate in 7 semesters. 

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urbansjacket2's picture

He would have to finish this semester to be an eligible grad transfer. Makes for a mighty awkward semester for sure. 

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

Yeah, he's been there 2 years this week... the two summer semesters are essentially his "3rd year" of school, plus the current semester would be 3.5 "years" of school. Either way, it's impressive.

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goodlifesean's picture

Gorman being a wealthy private school may have early college or AP courses as well. Some schools (canton city for example) also have early college programs where you get two degrees upon graduation, a Canton CSD diploma and a Stark State College Associate degree. Wish they would have had something like that when I was in HS so I wasn't balls deep in debt.

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gumtape's picture

Tate had to transfer to desert pines because Gorman would not let him graduate early. A lot of private schools have this rule, probably for cash reasons. I know Walsh Jesuit here does.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/usatodayhss.com/2016/bishop-gormans-tate-martell-switches-schools-to-graduate-early/amp

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Sanitarian2's picture

Poor, inner city schools also  have AP and college courses, don't fall into that stereotype game.

Sani

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Zimmy07's picture

Plus AP doesn’t count for #%^} in college unless you pass the School’s (or National?) AP Test.

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stxbuck's picture

Exactly-inner city (or any Ohio HS) school students can also take CCP courses-community college credit while still enrolled in HS, either online or at the campus.

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Zimmy07's picture

I tried to pull that one on my twin’s respective schools financial aid departments.  They are both technically sophomores after their first semester due to the college credits from HS.

it didn’t go well for me at either school.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Sunny, just curious.  Was your approach that they shouldn’t have to take the school’s AP test, or they took it and failed. What was the school’s stance?

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

I want to see how u can possibly graduate that fast unless your taking a shit load of courses constantly...get into the college immediately and take every single class required...and then it must be a weak major to finish that quickly.

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FitzBuck's picture

Or he took APP courses in high school.  

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Between AP courses and College Credit Plus classes in HS, Teen Navy #1 entered OSU effectively as a sophomore. He had all but one or two gen eds complete as well as a couple of his CSE major requirements completed before he walked in the doors. 

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goodlifesean's picture

Mentioned it above but some schools like Canton City where I live, offer an early college program where you graduate with an actual associate's degree from a local community college as well

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Wow NB91, congrats on raising quite the scholar!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Thanks. All credit to their mother. I was gone half the time. 

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Back in the day, I took advantage of a program my private HS had with a local college and graduated HS with 30 credit hours. So 3 years is doable. Could have been less if I had taken more summer classes. And I'm even shorter than Tathan.

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

5' 11" he keeps growing which is even more impressive.

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mb5599's picture

highly doubt Ohio State fights him on his case like Ole Miss did with those players.  its all up to the NCAA.

Big B

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GeorgiaBuckeye2114's picture

I agree. Especially since we are applying for Field's eligibility. It would be a bad look.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I disagree. Where is the current hardship? Zach Smith is gone. Half the coaching staff has turned over on defense. It would be hard to say that there’s any prevalent ‘culture’ issues on the team because it’s almost a completely new staff, new HC, new Co-OC, etc. 

Getting new coaches and having to compete for your job against a transfer aren’t a hardship. They’re just life in D1 athletics. The NCAA should laugh at any attorney or player who claims a “hardship” because they might end up being a back-up instead of the starter. 

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CleveState's picture

With everything that went down the past year you really want to take a chance on a vengeful player? Ohio state should throw its support behind it. It wouldn’t even have to be a true accusation to be extremely damaging. 

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OSU_JD's picture

Let’s be honest: Fields’ case is not all that great, either.  By the accounts I have read, a student called Fields a racial epithet. Once. And they expelled that student. Where’s his hardship? 

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gumtape's picture

He wasn't expelled. Adam Sasser was kicked off the baseball team but allowed to remain as a student. Also, Fields' attorney has stated that there are more facts that have not been made public. I would be reluctant to draw conclusions on the merits of fields' case without knowing. For example, were there other incidents that would constitute harrassment? Emails from official campus accounts? I have no idea.

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kmp10's picture

Where is the current hardship?

Meyer 'retiring' is a hardship in and of itself for Martell, Navy. Tate Martell was tailor made for Meyer's zone-read option offense when he was recruited. Martell was brought here for the express purpose of running that offense... and then Day came aboard, Meyer quit (again), and now the offense Ryan Day wants to run fits Tate Martell about as well OJ's infamous glove fit him... it doesn't. If Antonio Williams and Jack Wohlabaugh can transfer out of Ohio State and gain immediate eligibility at UNC and Duke respectively for no other reason than being buried on OSU's depth chart, then Martell, a kid who's on track to graduate within two and a half years, and a player who was recruited specifically because his particular skill set was made-to-order for Urban's offense should have no problem getting a waiver. The NCAA is handing them out like candy nowadays, so it would seem that Tate Martell has as good a chance as any. That people on here hate him and want to see him get his comeuppance is irrelevant. Martell not getting the waiver would be far bigger news than him getting it, imo.

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countrybuckeye's picture

retired

Coach Urban Meyer retired from coaching

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

If the NCAA considers a head coach retiring a hardship for one athlete, stand the F- by. Coach gets fired, quits for a better job, dies, or retires, and you’ll have open season for player transfers. The precedent is a very slippery slope. 

Patterson’s transfer was somewhat unique because Ole Miss’s staff wasn’t forthright when recruiting him. They knew sanctions were likely and were on record telling him otherwise. 

Meyer having to retire for a life threatening ailment is completely unpredictable. 

I don’t see OSU fighting the transfer (they can’t, really), but I don’t see (on the surface) any reason why Martell should get dispensation solely because of a coaching change. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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kmp10's picture

Ok, but why did Antonio Williams get a waiver? Because he was bad relative to Weber, Dobbins, and incoming freshman and he was never going to play? Wohlabaugh too. There is no other reason that I'm aware of. In addition, I think it is 'open season' on transfers, or it sure seems that way, so if Martell doesn't get one then I'll be surprised. I hope he does... again, people can hate him all they want, but he should get the same benefit of the doubt others have received.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I wish the young man no ill will, and I agree he should be treated the same as any other transfer, provided he meets the requirements outlined by the NCAA.  I don’t know the specifics of those players you mentioned, so I have to take your word for it. 

I do find it curious, however, that Martell was full of piss and vinegar no less than two weeks ago, Tweeting about welcoming competition for the job. And now, he’s transferring. 

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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kmp10's picture

It is very curious, as you say, Navy, and that's why I'm pretty sure that Ryan Day told Martell that he (Day) is riding with Fields in 2019. I think Day knows that Fields will be eligible, and I believe he told Martell that his skill set doesn't fit with the offense Ohio State intends to run moving forward. I also believe that not one word of this was relayed to Martell prior to the Rose Bowl, because Day wasn't the coach prior to the Rose Bowl. It is simply not logical to believe that Martell, literally all of a sudden, decided to leave after knowing Fields was coming and still publicly stating, multiple times, that he was staying to take the job he considered to be his. Tate Martell was told that he's not the quarterback Ryan Day intends to employ next season, imo. I certainly could be wrong... I'm just guessing... but I believe if Day had said to Martell, "I've seen you play and practice for two years now and I believe you can be our guy, but Justin Fields is coming and he will be given the chance to beat you out. Same with Matt Baldwin. Right now, you're our number one, but you have to earn the right to remain number one, so get ready to go to work," that Martell would still be here. Somehow, some way, it was conveyed to Tate Martell that he's not going to be THE man at Ohio State, so what would you have him do in this scenario?

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linepilot15's picture

I agree that the culture issue would not be the way to go. I would think more in the line of the OP's first comment that he was recruited by coaches that are gone to play in an offense that is also gone.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I still say that's a stretch.  The criteria for approving a waiver is directly tied to the student athlete's well being. From the staff article on the main page:

"due to documented mitigating circumstances outside of the student-athlete's control and directly impacts the health, safety or well-being of the student-athlete.” 

"assertions of egregious behavior,” which stipulates that immediate eligibility may be granted “in cases where the student-athlete was a victim of objective, documented egregious behavior by a staff member or student at the previous institution and the previous institution does not oppose the waiver.”

Zach wasn't alleged beating Tate Martell or yelling racial epitaphs at him. It's not like he was playing at Maryland or IU, where several players came forward complaining about harsh treatment, being told to play injured, etc.

I just don't see that he has a case. His best option, IMO, is to do what Burrow and Hurts did. Stick it out to May, graduate, and transfer.

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Matt's picture

Bill Rabinowitz confirmed that he was on track to graduate in May.  The problem from the Martell family perspective is that he would ahve to lose those 5 months of development that he'd have at a new school and be in an uncomfortable situation at OSU with his soon to be former team.

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Buckeyejohn's picture

Yeah, he isn’t coming to back to OSU for a semester. He is in Las Vegas and will probably never step foot back in Columbus. A hardship waiver is his only path now. I don’t understand why he didn’t stay in school in graduate this May. It not only allows him to get immediate eligibility but he also gets to see how he fares against Fields in practice. Maybe Fields struggles to grasp the offense and Tate shines in the spring. Tate will never know now. 

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BroJim's picture

Good points. Tate’s decision does seem short sited, but he probably has thought the whole thing through with council. 

But I agree, there is little chance he comes back to Columbus.

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southbuc's picture

I wonder if it has to do with how his Twitter comments etc. sat with his teammates. 

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Steps1110's picture

Honestly, I just think the kid believed he was next up and now feels differently.  From everything that I've read, Baldwin was expected to push Tate for the starting job.  Add in Fields and his chances of starting went down even more.  Tate's family probably played a part in this decision as well.  With Bubba Bolden going to UM and their QB situation be terrible, I can see why he would consider bolting.  However, his comments leading up to the Rose Bowl now seem comical and he has become a bit of a joke on social media the past few days.  I wish him all the best going forward but I would have liked to see him compete through the spring for the starting job before making a decision.  If he lost, he could have collected his degree and transferred as a grad student with 3 years of eligibility left. 

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gumtape's picture

I heard he was at the msu basketball game.

High and tight boo boo

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stxbuck's picture

No kidding, if he graduates in May, he can A-go through spring practice and compete for the job, and b-immediately be eligible as a grad transfer. I seem to remember a certain tOSU QB doing this recently after losing the starting battle.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

I agree. And as I recall, that other former tOSU QB’s Spring Game film had some influence with where he ultimately transferred. Could Tater be concerned that his 2019 Spring film will look like 2018?

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MichiBuck12's picture

He made it uncomfortable. I understand why he would be upset with the situation as it stands right now. But being one semester away from graduating, he is in great position to get his degree, play some football and then move on with no drama whatsoever if he were to choose to leave. He instead has thrown a tantrum and alienated people and as a result his path going forward is going to be a lot bumpier than it needs to be.

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NoMad Buck's picture

His path was clear: compete in the spring, finish classes, graduate, and then transfer if you didn't get the job. This was obviously an emotional decision, not a logical one.

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TXNut2488's picture

No idea the rules here but does he have to graduate from Ohio State to transfer? Could he go to say UNLV and finish whatever credits he needs and be eligible? Or transfer to his new school and finish there and just not participate in football activities (that are kept track of at least).

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avail31678's picture

He does not need to graduate to TRANSFER, but he does need to graduate to be allowed immediate eligibility - OR get a waiver to get immediate eligibility without graduating.

A player who has a degree can transfer schools and not have to sit out for a year.  

Regardless of whether he has to sit out a year or not, he can participate in football activities, he just can't compete in actual games.

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Angry Panda's picture

I don't think that's the question. The question is:

Can Tate transfer credits to a different school (UNLV for the sake of argument). Attend UNLV this semester and complete his credits to earn the degree. Then having graduated from UNLV grad transfer elsewhere in the fall and not sit the year. 

i also don't know the rules about that, but maybe there's a loophole. I think that's what TXNut was getting at. I think everyone understands anyone can transfer at anytime and graduating is not required to do so. 

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avail31678's picture

I see now.

I gotta think you can't do that or we'd see it more often.

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DukeofWeimar's picture

almost all legitmate colleges require a minimum credits earned at that institution before they put their name atop aan undergrad diploma.

Tate could be completing his OSU diploma 'online'.

My youngest son graduated in 6 semesters with a degree in Physics..so the 'easy' major argument is not necessarily true ( 1 yr of credits while in HS)

When I played..coaches 'encouraged'  players to take only 12-15 hrs during the season because of the time demands, so summers were used to catch up academically

Players today do not have to take summer semester classes..but if they do and take a full schedule (12 credits) they get full room and board and real cost of attendance $$...which amounts to what most would make on a summer job.

I hope Tate does indeed graduate and not use the Zach Smith deal...but .most people will use any angle they have to further their careers

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Scholarship players ARE required to take a minimum of 6 credit hours in the Summer, you can take more as did S Collier and (most likely) Burrow.

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FitzBuck's picture

Worked out for Joe B.  

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saluki2007's picture

It may be possible for him to take online courses to finish up...

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gumtape's picture

Zach Smith when he found out that he was going to vegas on a "recruiting trip"

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BornAndBredABuckeye's picture

That's Herman in the back getting hammer drunk

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Hovenaut's picture

I admit it, I laughed. 

Part of me feels bad for Martell in his desire to play, but I can't see him getting a waiver for IE.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

IE

Internet Explorer?

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Hovenaut's picture

Ineffective Expression.

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

Need a Barf rendition. He is the gif master after all.

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gumtape's picture

My first try at making a gif:

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thedewman10's picture

Shouldn’t you have had his butt on top?

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Zimmy07's picture

“No point mentioning those bats, I thought. The poor bastard will see them soon enough”

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

Not sure if the coaching changes would help. Seems to me that the NCAA is softening on tranfers.

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Buckeyedoc99200's picture

All I know is that if he gets immediate eligibility and Fields does not my head is going to explode.

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CleveState's picture

It’s not completely out of the realm of possibility. Ohio State supports his transfer because has something on Smith. Georgia decides to contest Fields transfer. I don’t think that scenario is likely but this is the NCAA we are talking about and we have seen real head scratchers before.

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BIGTIMEBUCKS's picture

Assuming he does in fact graduate in May, it's really a moot point. Until he officially transfers out of OSU I would assume he will be allowed to remain on the team and will be able to continue training and practicing as such. Entering the portal does not necessarily mean a player will or has to transfer. We all know that he more than likely will transfer but until he does he is still on the team.

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Triv's picture

You think OSU is going to give a single spring practice rep to a guy who won't be on the team come May? It's not the same as Burrow/Haskins, Martell has all but confirmed he's gone with his twitter bio update. I'm willing to bet he's not even at OSU this semester and is either going to transfer and apply for a hardship waiver, or finish up his degree online. Waiting till May to transfer would also cost him the entirety of spring ball at whatever school he transfers to.

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BIGTIMEBUCKS's picture

Day could hedge the Fields bet and keep Tate around until he ultimately decides what he will do. In the event Fields is ruled ineligible then Tate may feel differently. Not a likely scenario but it's an option.

"The Edge is where average stops and elite begins"

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Triv's picture

Keep a guy in the locker room at the most important position on the field who has indicated he doesn't want to be there? Pass, I'd rather Chug get 1st team reps than Martell. Best of luck to him, but I don't want him anywhere near our Spring practice

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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Extramedium's picture

He's not going to graduate in May if he's not at Ohio state 

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Kujo247's picture

But he might be able to take his OSU credits, and high school AP classes (doubtful a top-quality HS football player took any AP class) and transfer them to an on-line college (University of Phoenix, Indiana Wesleyan,…) and finish up there.  I believe that would qualify him to be a grad transfer.

Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.

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SFlaBuckeye13's picture

If we think Fields should be eligible immediately then so should Tate

The world is yours

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Extramedium's picture

I agree - I said in another thread I'd be more willing to grant a waiver for a player who came to a school to play for a specific coach who retired and run a particular style of offense that changed and was no longer suited for.. than if someone who used to be on the baseball team called him a name.

Whether it's the way the rules are set up or what, I'm not sure, but the experts who have weighed in seem to think Fields will not have an issue, and Martell probably will.  

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Sanitarian2's picture

Many of us "we's" don't think Fields should be eligible immediately.

Sani

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CincyBuck's picture

If we think Fields should be eligible immediately then so should Tate

I don't know man... 

These two scenarios are not the same to me: (1) an African-American man repeatedly being called the N-word by a fellow collegiate athlete, and (2) hurt feelings and/or a desire to ensure playing time.  I think it's fair to question whether there are other factors at play in Justin's decision.  But you can't overlook that other thing... 

That said, I hope they both get their waivers. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

They are both over hurt feelings. Fields was hurt he couldn't beat at Fromm. Tate's were hurt because he couldn't beat out Fields. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

They're not remotely the same. I'm all for good argument, but the claim that should both be eligible "just because" seems more designed for Buckeye fans to sleep better at night. 

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huffdaddy's picture

I agree with this. 

But I also think any player should be eligible to transfer and play immediately if the coach leaves. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Cooper's picture

Can there be a case for a waiver because Urban retired, or anything to do with the scandal from five months ago?

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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avail31678's picture

Whether the NCAA deems it enough or not remains to be seen, but that's exactly what Tate will use as his reasoning.  

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Bosco Baracus's picture

I also feel for the kid, but this is life. Happens in every aspect and I’m sure we’ve all dealt with it whether it be sports or work or whatever. Probably won’t be the last time he deals with a similar situation. Especially if he makes it to the pros. 

I don’t look at it as him running from competition. Gotta find the best spot for himself. Can’t say this offense doesn’t fit his style then also say he’s afraid to compete if he leaves. Good luck kid

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

No offense...but I don't give shit if he is cleared to play or not once he leaves OSU. Not their problem anymore. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Extramedium's picture

From a human perspective I give a shit just because he came here to play for Urban Meyer and run Urban Meyer's offense and was no doubt promised that Urban Meyer would still be the coach for years to come and we'd be running the QB spread option forever.  

I'm not saying we owe him anything because there are no guarantees in life, but it would be kind of nice if he could go run that offense elsewhere without having to sit another season.

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saintstephen11's picture

not sure why anyone thinks this has anything to do with the offense.  If Fields didn't transfer in, Tate would still be there. This has everything to do with entitlement ... nothing more.  He doesn't want to compete. He wants the job due to seniority.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

seniority

Redshirt sophomority, I think. 

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Sad you hate a kid who travelled across the country to be a Buckeye.  It didn’t work out, that’s unfortunate, but I absolutely wish Tate the best and this he will have a great college career.

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bd2999's picture

Don't really care. He may get help with the coach changes, but he still has a bit of an uphill fight.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

ESecPN will undoubtedly tell the NCAA to give Tate his waiver and deny Fields'

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WoullyBear's picture

When he put his name in the portal he lost the right to compete IMO. If he wouldn't have done that I would have been perfectly fine with him and Fields splitting snaps and having a fair competition, but as stated above, if we know you are gone in May no matter what, what the hell would we even let him LOOK at a football in the Woody for, let alone take snaps from Fields and Baldwin. He jumped the gun and now hes gonna have to go play at a JUCO or sit at whichever school he chooses and resurface in 2020.

If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?

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osuflacco's picture

Who cares, it won't be here and I am honestly glad my prediction he would never play here came true.  Don't want to go back to the JT era offense ever again. 

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George Hennen's picture

He should have went through spring ball and finish the semester first before announcing a transfer. He would then have 3 years of immediate eligibility. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

I have to think this thread was started as a tongue in check attempt at humor when suggesting that the personal actions of a coach that does not even handle his position is enough to force a young man to leave his university in terror.

Sani

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Jsnyde45's picture

Lol Justin’s excuse is soooooo much better. Tate has a case just as much as Justin does. 

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Buckeyedoc99200's picture

Although I'm not black and I have never had a fellow student scream racial slurs at me I'm not sure I agree with you.

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bd2999's picture

Not really, one may have had comments made to them. At best, Martel has the coaching change. Which he did not seem to mind until Fields came along. Add to that the trash talking and such. I feel if he would have just transferred and said it was to do with the coaching change he would be fine.

At the moment, I am not sure he is in as good a shape as he could be otherwise.

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gumtape's picture

Maybe a little but I am genuinely concerned because I am wracking my brain trying to figure out his basis for leaving as an aggreived party other than he had his feelings hurt

High and tight boo boo

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Jsnyde45's picture

I mean come on. All tate has to say is ; he felt uncomfortable at Ohio state while Zach was there and didn’t trust him due to all the rumors and no one at Ohio state did anything to alleviate concerns. 

Or the man who recruited him turned into an “abuser” 

edit: I am by no means advocating this behavior. I’m just saying the grounds are there if he chooses to pursue. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

This made me laugh imagining all of the mental gymnastics that some posters would have to perform, switching from the "Zach's wife is batshit crazy/They can't prove it" defense to "Zach was a threat to Tate/Imagine him as your mentor" position. Hope some changing rooms are open. 

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logamaniac's picture

I don’t care what he chooses to do that’s on him

however I do care how he does it, because if he tries to throw the program under the bus scorched earth style just to get a waiver then we got beef. 

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tcm1968's picture

Hmmmm... I get the Zach Smith hardship argument but wouldn't that have been this season? Fields got into a situation that he didn't want to be a part of and transferred at his first window to do so. Tate's doing the cake and eat it too thing. I'm not getting what I want and so after the fact I will go and claim hardship. His "hardship" is having to compete for QB1. That's not how it works..

And I'll say it..... f***ing kids today. How hard is it to just keep your head down through Spring ball, go to class and then decide. This entire thing is a BILLION times easier but it's freaking instant need/gratification. If I can't have what I want right now then I'm leaving.. I want what I want.. NOW...

Go Bucks!

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cmented36's picture

If he could have graduated in May and just decided not to then quite frankly I'm relieved if he never plays for OSU. I'd prefer somebody with a modicum of intelligence. Why risk needing a hardship waiver that's not guaranteed if you could have guaranteed eligibility, especially since you've already used 2 of your 5 years to have 4 years of eligibility. If you're so good then missing spring ball at your potential destination shouldn't be an issue... ala Jeaux Bureaux. Basically he's risking a year of eligibility because he had an emotional reaction to a higher rated recruit arriving on campus.

*Insert Key and Peele I Said Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii skit* 

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thedewman10's picture

To Tate: Grow a pair. And tell Coach Day, Mr Fields and mommy and daddy you are a man now and stay and compete. And Mr Fields: People who say that BS are everywhere and always will be. Sorry. That’s how it is. Sticks and stones. It’s happened to me although color didn’t have anything to do with it. Grow a bigger pair and be above them. Don’t let anyone think they own you, because they will. Then it is you who are screwed.

Thank you. I am Thedewman and I approved this comment because this crap has me ticked off a bit.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I know everyone (many) thinks Miami is his landing spot, but with Enos getting hired there from Alabama, I think that virtually guarantees Diaz goes with Hurts.

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Davep160's picture

He has done everything he was asked to do and more, he will be successful wherever he goes. I wish him all the luck in the world.  

The lord of brevity.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Which coach asked him to run his mouth?

Sani

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CincyBuck's picture

Which coach asked him to run his mouth?

I'd put my money on Zach Smith... 

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Davep160's picture

Since there are no facts that asked a coach to do so, I say probably none. 

The lord of brevity.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

I wish Tate the best and best of luck in obtaining the waiver.    

What's ironic is there are many, mostly, but not exclusively, non-Buckeye fans, who have said if Fields gets a waiver that will open the flood gates and all restrictions on transfer immediate eligibility will be over.  I think from a spirit of the rule, as well as the optics, Fields has a persuasive case.  

Maybe Tate just needs to make the same claim(s) that Antonio Williams and Jack Wolabaugh made.  Whatever their's were, they worked. 

However, I'm sure Tater will go the ZS ----> Urban suspension ------. Urban retirement -------> new coach is going in a different direction argument.  I'm sorry, although I wish Tate would stay and compete at least through Spring (and I think that's in his better interest as well from a transfer (degree?) and future playing opportunity perspective), his behavior the past month strikes me that he is a petulant and self-entitled young man.  I wouldn't be surprised that it was his petulance and entitlement that makes him believe that having to compete with Fields and Baldwin for the starting QB job is egregious and contrary to his well-being.  

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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Independence Village 22's picture

Dont see many great things happening in the future for a young man with such an entitled mindset.
Literally runs at the first sign of having to earn something. Kid has some serious talent. But is a mental weakling. Participation trophy era.

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Jsnyde45's picture

Haha and how is that any different than Justin fields? Is Tate entitled? Yes. Is Justin Fields? Yes. 

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Buckeyedoc99200's picture

I would love to be a fly on the wall when these coaches are recruiting these high profile five star kids. I have a suspicion they are all but guaranteed everything that that want as soon as they step on campus. After they commit and reality sets in it can be a bit of a downer. Thinking that's why you see so many of these kids leaving programs so quickly.

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gumtape's picture

Bruce Feldman has a story about one time he was in a coaches meeting and a 2 sport prospect was visiting and stopped in to meet the football coaches. After the player left, the coach said something to the effect of "no way we are offering that kid, have you seen his tape? He's a total pussy."

So yeah, it would be awesome to hear that stuff.

High and tight boo boo

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Its not just the 5 stars.

It’s been said that some guys, in particular WRs with Z Smith have asked to be assigned certain jersey numbers during their recruitment. 

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martin anderson's picture

You don't honestly believe that Fields is transferring over the racial slur that happened over 3 months ago?? If he were named the starter he wouldn't be leaving UGA

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Yes Martin, everyone is aware of that. It doesn't mean we can't root for a kid to get one over on the NCAA finally. 

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stxbuck's picture

If you get dealt a straight w/ a race crd/joker-play it-Fields didn't create the situation w/ the slur, might as well use it for his benefit. If you want to argue the NCAA is stupid/hypocritical/bipolar-hello Captain Obvious!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Dont see many great things happening in the future for a young man with such an entitled mindset.
Literally runs at the first sign of having to earn something

Fields or Tate? 

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chef2323's picture

Say Tate were to graduate from Ohio State and transfer as a graduate, wouldn't he only have one year of eligibility at his new school?  Would appreciate it if someone could clear up years of eligibility for graduate transfers.

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gumtape's picture

Burrow transferred as a redshirt junior so he had two years of eligibility left when he grad transferred last year. He just had to find a grad program that he could take at LSU that is not offered at OSU.

Martell has already used his redshirt year. He is currently a redshirt freshman. If he is successful in gaining a hardship waiver he would have three full years left. If not, he would have two years left starting in the 2020 season

High and tight boo boo

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hetuck's picture

FYI, Burrow is enrolled in the equivalent of general studies at the graduate level. I'm glad OSU has the academic integrity to not offer this. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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jrs77's picture

Will all of Tate’s social media talk hurt his chances of a hardship case in the eyes of the NCAA? How can he go from claiming he welcomed the competition and was certain he’d be the starter, just days before before entering the transfer portal?

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Das Hufeisen's picture

Is there any chance Coach Day made an ultimatum to Tate, i.e., either put your head down, get to work, and keep quiet on social media, or else pack your bags and transfer? Just wondering.

AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

It was reported elsewhere that Day told Tate that it was an open competition btwn him, Fields and Baldwin.

Apparently Tate felt that it should’ve been his job to lose; Lol !!!  Based on what, I don’t know.

Maybe Tate thought it was based on the long talked about seniority factor that folks swear is in place,  where million dollar salaries are being risked by the Coaches making the decisions !

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

This is true based on other reports. 

Tate felt like it should be his job to lose because he’s out the time work in & has the most experience.  

I think that he felt like he was in a situation like JTB. It’s obvious that JTB went into every season from 2016 onward as the presumed starter (i.e., he’s have to lose the job, not earn it).  Thing is that in reality, JTB has earned it with his leadership and play, not just his seniority.  

When he found out the competition would be wide open, he actually felt that was a low key way to give the advantage to Fields. 

So, Tate actually felt the competition wouldn’t be fair....that “open competition” talk was really just public PR and a way to anoint Fields.

Based on his mom’s Twitter account, the family feels lied to by the coaches/Day. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Hmnnn.  Seems Mom has since locked her Twitter

In the beginning and the end, there’s others who probably questioned where they are and what the actual results have been based on what they were “told”.  However, this seems to be a case where the player and/or family has chosen to go public.

Even if there was a change of mind by the Martell’s, that would be a tough thing to walk back from with folks inside the WHAC.  They’re very big on public persona and imagery of OSU football.

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Neilwoodgables's picture

I was hoping that Tate would have success at OSU.  Liked his swagger but he really did make the decision for Day before there was even a competition.   He started twitting off at the mouth and the next we know is that is transferring.  I am pretty sure Day just sat back during Tate’s social media handling of the specter of Fields coming in and thought that he might not be the guy to be the qb his first season as head coach.  I hope the best for Tate and hope that he doesn’t start twitting off about OSU out of spite. He may not think so but he has made himself look pretty silly. 

I Hate Michigan.

 

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McGrind's picture

Legit question...does anyone remember anyone on the team speaking highly of Tate? Urb seemed to be the only one in his corner. fwiw...not a hater of Tate’s throwing talent and don’t think it would be JTv2 if he did start with Day as coach. Could easily incorporate some rollouts that would play to his strengths and negate his lack of height. 

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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stxbuck's picture

Most players are smart enough not to publicly wade into QB controversies, and as for everyone else connected with the program-assistants,etc., any HC worth his salt has an ironclad rule-don't say anything publicly-or internally-about players not in your position group.

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GunnerBuck's picture

There is no case for him to be granted immediate eligibility if he’s not a grad transfer. Lack of playing time is not something that has effect on his health or etc. 

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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saintstephen11's picture

Well he could argue that he would hold his breath until they gave him the job.  A baby seems to think that that works and is hazardous to your health.

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Sanitarian2's picture

I'm sure his _______________ is ill and he needs to be closer to  her/him. 

Sani

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