Justin Fields’ Chances of Being Eligible to Play in 2019 Appear Promising, But Not Guaranteed

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Seattle Linga's picture

Attorney Tom Mars is a very good lawyer and something tells me we'll see Fields on the football field this fall. 

The one thing about the NCAA that's good is that they don't take these things lightly. Done a little research and I heard it's looking good.

That said, Fields is believed to have a solid case for a waiver, based in part on an incident that happened this past fall at Georgia in which a baseball player, Adam Sasser, was dismissed from the team after shouting racial epithets toward Fields. 

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

If Fields is not eligible and Tate does indeed transfer, the QB room get s very empty, very quickly. I realize much can happen yet with another recruit or a grad transfer, but Fields being eligible really would make me feel better about the number of options for the Buckeyes. In not too distant history, it took 3 QBs to finish a season.

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Ruby5's picture

Not to mention if he would unfortunately get injured.  My thought is that Baldwin has really improved and Ryan Day is comfortable with him as the back up now. The senior/captain receivers are on tape as saying Baldwin is an “A” player not a “B.”

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Yobuck's picture

Didn't Day recruit Baldwin?  That should mean he likes him and believes he can play at OSU in his system

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Dstacify's picture

Being down to just Baldwin as the starter isn't the issue. I think he'll be a quality player no question. The problem is what we have behind him if Tate transfers and Fields is declared ineligible. We're reduced to just Chugunov and two walk-ons behind Baldwin if that worst-case scenario happens which would easily be the worst QB depth chart we've seen at OSU since Bauserman was starting. Plus Baldwin hasn't played in live action in over a year and is coming off a pretty serious injury. That only adds to the concern.

11 Strong.

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Ruby5's picture

Not to mention if he would unfortunately get injured.  My thought is that Baldwin has really improved and Ryan Day is comfortable with him as the back up now. The senior/captain receivers are on tape as saying Baldwin is an “A” player not a “B.”

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MountainsAwait's picture

You can say that again!

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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buckeye_speed's picture

Not to mention if he would unfortunately get injured.  My thought is that Baldwin has really improved and Ryan Day is comfortable with him as the back up now. The senior/captain receivers are on tape as saying Baldwin is an “A” player not a “B.”

I would upvote my own comment if allowed

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MountainsAwait's picture

Thrice is nice

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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Ruby5's picture

LMAO because I hit send twice and knew I made the mistake. However, I couldn’t delete the second one once it left the nest. 

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MountainsAwait's picture

That’s happened to me as well - and people love that joke every time, never gets old apparently!

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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Browns88's picture

If Fields no go, let the Baldwin and Chuganov battle begin

Browns88

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CauseICouldntGoFor3's picture

That is a far cry from the Fields and Martell battle...

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Browns88's picture

Crazy...Who could have predicted this less than 2 weeks ago.

Browns88

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wyatt's picture

So we've got a "Field of Dreams"?

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awlinBrutus's picture

Johny Ginter, you really expect a Chip Kelly disciple, Ryan Day, never to run the zone read with a QB like Martel? Sorry but that's just a plain STUPID statement. I'M IN CRAZY LAND I GUESS. even nfl teams are running zone read plays with capable personnel and you expect us to believe Day wouldn't run it with Martel when he did so with Haskin's? WTF, really? You know quality really beats out quantity. You get what you pay for with free internet sites. Looking @ you Johny, hope you have a Day job, pun intended. DV away snowflakes.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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BuckNut_1974's picture

Logged in just to DV you. Whats with the attitude?? Did someone get all up in your cornflakes?? And congrats, you get my first ever DV. And you deserved it my friend.

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Extramedium's picture

I’m pretty sure it was Meyer calling those read option plays for Haskins, not Day. 

Day may have been a Chip Kelly disciple but it’s pretty clear he’s defined his own offensive philosophy and it doesn’t include a lot of zone read. You can tell because Meyer recruited Martell and Day recruited Baldwin.  And it’s understandable after you saw what happens to that offense when it’s forced to compete against elite defenses. I don’t want to see another 31-0 effort in the playoffs.

Either way, when you get a chance at a player like Fields, who is compared to guys like Cam Newton and Deshaun Watson, you take that chance even if you risk angering a guy like Martell.

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Sanantonefan's picture

No matter what your opinion, you don't have to be an ass-wipe snowflake! If you don't like this site--see ya!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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AzBuckeye45's picture

I was thinking the exact same thing. That would indeed, suck!

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Woody Hayes-1968

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awlinBrutus's picture

+1,SBama,  Once a player goes into the ncaa portal ="He Gone"! DUH!!!!  Big mistake by Day and Meyer thinking they could bring in another QB to compete against Martel. Hey, lets just kill the comrade among our 105 team mates. 

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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Yobuck's picture

Unless you have Tua and maybe Trevor at Clemson, what coach would not take Fields at this point if he is looking to transfer?? That's right....No coach would turn him down!!

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Extramedium's picture

It’s never a mistake to bring in a 5star recruit who wants to come to your program.  

The fact that Tate put his name in the portal less than a week later, and not even attempting any spring competition, leads me to believe Day doesn’t want to run the read option and told Tate as much.

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TheBuckeyeNut's picture

If, then, but... none of these things are a done deal. BUT, the way I see it....

If Fields is not eligible, we are in the same exact position we would've been in. IMO, Tate entered the transfer portal saying to tOSU, "If you don't start me, I'm gone."  If I'm your guy, I'm staying.

There's plenty of ways he could've privately done this... and at this point if he indeed does stay, he better be lightning in a bottle otherwise many fans will be pissed over his behavior. On the flip side, he is just a kid & kids do and say things that aren't always popular. See: Baker Mayfield.

That being said, we're still in the if, then, but category... BUT... I cannot see both of those things happening. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

I imagine there were conversations behind the scenes. the way 11w hyped the possible transfer Fields and others have, not just 11w, wasn't a good look imo. I don't think it was fair to the current QB's on our roster the way these articles were written. It seemed like some of these writers were trying to just stir the pot. That's all, no animus.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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tcm1968's picture

I'd imagine it's like anything else in the world. You have a certain group of lawyers who do this stuff who deal with a certain group of NCAA folks. I'd bet there was a wink, a nod or a "this looks good"... something that got this whole ball rolling. Same thing happened with Patterson. Some folks thought he had less of chance then what we see with Fields but the ball got rolling like they knew it was a done deal.. NCAA has to dot all the i's and cross the t's but it's still a ruling. And like most rulings people tend to know which way the wind is blowing before it's officially announced... 

Fully expect Fields to be cleared to play this fall.... 

Go Bucks!

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awlinBrutus's picture

Then again some lawyers take all calls. 

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Sure, but... NCAA.... Ohio State... not a great history there after our crime lord orchestrated a human rights violation also known as "selling their possessions."

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Roman Brutus's picture

The most certain clue to how it will go? His attorney has never lost a case on this matter before. So you can bet your house that he will get the waiver.

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unknownmusketeer's picture

How big is the sample size? Is the only other case Shea Patterson?

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Dmac3212's picture

He is the great Emancipator. This is interesting article explaining the work he did with OLE MIss football players. Just ignore how he is dressed.

https://sports.yahoo.com/meet-college-footballs-unexpectedly-impactful-m...

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Also....Pat Forde warning as well on that link.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

“The two events I remember most from my childhood were the assassination of President Kennedy [in 1963], and Michigan beating Ohio State to win the Big Ten championship the next year,” Mars said. “The two most important days in our household were Christmas and the Ohio State-Michigan game.”

Now that’s irony. If a Michigan Man ever wanted to sabotage Ohio State, bungling Fields’ case would do it. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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ibuck's picture

If a Michigan Man ever wanted to sabotage Ohio State, bungling Fields’ case would do it. 

 Michigan Man? Tom Mars got his BA & JD from Arkansas schools.  Damaging one's professional reputation and future business prospects over sentiment?

Would not be smart, nor professional. Nor help one become partner in a law firm.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Gimme a break. It was a joke. 

And if you read the article, he’s a Michigan Man because he grew up a fan. Every Walmart Wolverine is proof you don’t need a diploma from TSUN to be a Michigan Man.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AC1972's picture

1)  We will get him an Ohio State Hoodie. 

2)  I take this as another jab at Michigan "Oh, remember that attorney that you thought saved your team by getting Shea eligible?  Yea, he's helping us now, except our QB > your QB.  'Casue you know, he likes us more."

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SilverHaven's picture

For those who can handle it, here's the pic of atty Mars. 
Have the young children look away.
 

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Yuman's picture

I’m guessing that he only takes cases that has a probability of a victory. 

Rlc

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MoneyMac's picture

I actually feel horrible for Tate. Imagine waiting and putting in work for two years, finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, then having the entire fan base turn on you once a new prospect becomes available. On top of that, your biggest fan, Urban, is seen chumming it up at a b-ball game with Fields. I don’t blame him for leaving and actually will be pulling for him wherever he ends up. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

One of the biggest complaints on this forum is how OSU has GIVEN playing time based upon time in the program and not performance, should that continue in with the current coaching staff.

Sani

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JJBleedsScarletandGray's picture

No not if you want to win National Championships. Ask Dabo, I think he knew he could not win the big game with Kelly Bryant.

Fear the chunky Monkey

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BrutusB's picture

Exactly right.  Saban did the same to Hurts.

Even if Fields plays well next year, if he gets beat in practice by Jack Miller the following year then he should lose his job too.  That's the way its supposed to work.

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teddyballgame's picture

Dabo actually said "I love Kelly but Trevor was better." on national TV after winning the championship.  Urb wouldn't even play the better player let alone state it publicly.  Urban got soft and comfortable after the 2014 natty; a talent like Haskins should have been starting much sooner.  Hopefully Day will avoid similar mistakes.

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Extramedium's picture

The problem was not that Urban wouldn’t play the better player.   I think he really wasn’t comfortable running the type of offense that Haskins needs to run and JT was his comfort zone (read.) 

this was evident when he started taking the reigns away from Day (he admitted he couldn’t play CEO) and started making Haskins run the option on 3rd and short.

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HowSheGoneEat's picture

Haskins said himself that he wasn't ready to play in 2017. While he may be more talented than JT, he was definitely more raw and was probably a one read QB at the time

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bdbrown66's picture

Dude, Nick Saban pulled a national-championship-winning QB at **halftime** and plugged in his backup.  It's kill or be killed at this level.

Unless Tate transfers to a bottom-feeding program, he's going to have to compete with someone who's a pretty good athlete in order to win the job.  No one is just going to hand it to him.

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BTwrestle04's picture

Jalen Hurts never won a national title game. He lost to Clemson the year before he was pulled during the Georgia game. But your point is still accurate.

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bdbrown66's picture

You're right, my bad.  Trying to listen on a conference call at work and read 11W at the same time.  :)

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ibuck's picture

One of the biggest complaints on this forum is how OSU has GIVEN playing time based upon time in the program and not performance

If that was happening in Hoops, Joey Lane would be starting . . .

  . . . over Luther Muhammad.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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JCam061588's picture

No one turned on Tate until he started running his mouth, the excitement of landing of player like Fields would’ve been there regardless. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Mantis's picture

Exactly!  I felt bad until he started being a prick to his future teammate without reason before he was even on the team.  

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GoNutz27's picture

I don't think Buckeye fans turned on Tate just because Fields was possibly transferring to Ohio State.  It was the immaturity that he showed with his tweeting and other comments that put him in an adversarial role instead of taking the high road and welcoming the competition.  Tate acted like he was owed the starting job just because he had been there for two years and seemed insecure about his ability to actually win the battle.

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LB U's picture

No one turned on Tate. People were just excited about Fields because of how talented he is. Tate is a twitter queen and messed up the entire situation when he trash talked Fields.. if he had just transferred without the fake beef he was creating, people would be behind him. Instead, he went about it as poorly as he possible could and came off like a child.

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Extramedium's picture

If he’d transferred quietly or tried to compete

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Trapper99's picture

This is OSU, and OSU and Day must do what is in the best interest to beat TTUN, and then win every other game after that. Feelings are going to be hurt. If Tate went out the way Burrow did, I would be rooting for him. As of now I won't be rooting against him, but he will be just another player on another team until I see some maturity like what Joe had.

+1 cause I respect your opinion which is different than the prevailing opinion here

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buckeyeinWI's picture

Open competition is good tor the team. it's out there in the every day world, and this is 'big boy' football. I hear ya', but I also think Tate should have just keep his 'trap' shut, and let things play out, and not 'yap' on SM like some middle school brat.  Stating he wasn't transferring, and that he would win the job, then leave as he probably is going to do, is not a good look in my opinion. Coach Day has a team to worry about, and bringing Fields in was best for the team.  For a supposed to be 'competitor', Martell doesn't seem to want to compete.  I wish him well, and hope he finds his success somewhere, but in my mind, he's taking the 'easy path' to find it...

just sayin'...

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PhillyNut's picture

The entire fan base has not turned on him, or at least had not up until he entered his name in the portal.  There were (and still are) many Tate supporters who have been on the this site voicing their support for him, stating that they still think he is the best option for Ohio State, etc.

And seriously, Urban is now an assistant athletic director.  What is he supposed to do, ignore recruits just because there is someone else already playing a given position at the school?  Even if Urban was still the head coach I would have expected him to sit with Fields as the new person at probably the most critical position for the program to be successful.  Remember, his number one responsibility is to the school and the program, not to whether or not an individual player needs some love because he sees another player getting love. If a player is that sensitive then he probably does need to move on.

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CowCat's picture

Yeah, I don't get the uproar about Urban sitting with Fields at a basketball game. Fields was essentially a recruit. Recruits get the red carpet treatment.

It's not like the rest of the football team was butthurt about not getting to sit next to Urban.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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stxbuck's picture

Fields sitting w/ Urban at the hoops game is a sign that tOSU football is bigger than any one individual or coach-and everyone coming to Columbus needs to remember that fact-past and future together..........

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TheBuckeyeNut's picture

Has everyone also forgotten Dwayne Haskins and Justin Fields are friends? They trained together all summer. 

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BbBnD's picture

Agreed. If Baldwin and Chug had also been there and Tate was the only one missing, it would’ve been a story. 

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buckinraleigh's picture

The timing of his (potential) transfer bothers me too.  Why not stay with the team through spring ball, see where he is in the pecking order (after all, there was a chance he would win the starting job anyway), and then transfer if things didn't work out?  That's what Joe B did.  And he had the support of Buckeye Nation when he went. 

Tate transferring out now smacks of entitlement, or not really wanting the competition.  And for that, he's losing my respect.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Tate transferring out now smacks of entitlement, or not really wanting the competition.  And for that, he's losing my respect.

He's Tathan his ball and going home

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TampaBuck77's picture

I never lol at reading comments, this is really funny though!!!!! I still didn't lol.

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ToetotheFace's picture

You don't know what Day has told him at this point. He may not be managing it the same way Urban did.

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Extramedium's picture

The only thing I can think is that Day told him straight up, we’re not doing the zone read moving forward.  That’s what Tate does best, and of course he wants to play somewhere that runs that type of offense.

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CantonBuckeyes12's picture

Why stay and compete when it’s pretty clear Fields is gonna be the starter? Day didn’t roll out the red carpet for him to sit behind Martell. Sure, Martell looks stupid for his comments he made prior to the Rose bowl, but ultimately I think he made the right decision for himself based on the circumstances.

We will fight to the end for OH-IO!

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TheBuckeyeNut's picture

First and foremost Tate Martell has not actually said he's leaving. He's merely entered the transfer portal (IMO trying to send a message to tOSU-- & if that's the case I'm not too fond of that tactic). Not to mention, I don't think the "entire fanbase" has turned on him. In fact, most people I've met/read have said, "he's got to do what's best for him... we wish him the best." 

Anyone that's holding any resentment against him is due to the way he handled it. No one faulted Joe Burrow for transfering to LSU. Even without the comparison, Tate Martell guaranteed the tOSU fanbase he was going to be the starter w/o a second thought. You might need to win the job on the field before saying that. Not to mention the quip about not wanting to even meet Fields. There are others. But, you get what I mean. 

If I were him, I wouldn't give one crap about what Urban, Haskins and Fields (a friend of Haskins, BTW) were doing. None of those people currently work or play for the Ohio State football program. 

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Nutinpa's picture

I wonder if other schools, Fields' immediate eligiblity may be quickly approved.  I just have a hard time believing that OSU is a "fave" within the NCAA.  We can't forget the treatment Jim Tressel received, Gene Smith's judgment gaffe on the 2012 Bowl Season, and most recently, the shit storm with Meyer and Zach Smith whose backlash from the media and other circles, both obvious and beneath the surface, were evident. 

I would not, for a second, assume that Fields' immediate eligibility is a lock for the reasons I mention.  On the plus side, it's possible that NCAA continues its "leniency" on cases like Shea Patterson's, Fields' and others -- even acknowledging their circumstances are all different, as it diffuses, even momentarily, the pay for play dilemma that the NCAA will fight to its death (that many of us will celebrate). 

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Sanitarian2's picture

Three OSU players that transferred OUT last season were given waivers that raised some eyebrows at the time.

Sani

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Akron Buck's picture

That is what I as thinking, any other team and he gets the waiver, but because it is tOSU the NCAA will deny it.

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LouBuck35's picture

The Zach Smith stuff had ZERO NCAA involvement whatsoever. Gene screwed up his own decision making about the bowl game, making assumptions about the punishment. And Tress lied to the NCAA and got busted. How you feel about the rule the players broke aside, you can't straight lie to NCAA and think you won't get punished if you are caught.

I don't think anyone at the NCAA even thinks of challenging this one. He will be cleared by spring practice.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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Nutinpa's picture

Everything you say is true, Lou.  Yet none of it changes my concerns about the NCAA, this situation, and its relevance to Ohio State.  That said, for the parties concerned (and my selfish interests) I hope you are right.  

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

We as a family need to stop this “The world is against the Buckeyes” mantra.

It’s not.

People do like seeing the big names falter.  That’s human nature.  (I’m tired of Alabama, for example.). But that’s not exclusive to us.  Nor is it how the NCAA is making their decisions.

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Nutinpa's picture

Not saying it's exclusive to us, eddie.  Just concerned that behind the scenes, it may play a role -- or maybe it won't.  I just happen to think it would be (really) naive of us not to wonder. If that sounds paranoid or conspiratorial, so be it.  The "history" is, what it is.  

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

Nobody would argue about the NCAA having a spotty track record when it comes to decision making in general.  It does.

And I like to think that Fields will get this approval.  But if he doesn’t, it’s not an anti-Buckeye conspiracy. It’s an organization with a history of inconsistency making a decision based on evidence that we as the general public likely will never see in its entirety.  We’ll cry bloody murder... and I’ll be upset too.

But I think the more naive position is to think that the NCAA is out specifically to get us.  It’s just not.  We’ve had rulings go against us.  So have other schools.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

We as a family need to stop this “The world is against the Buckeyes” mantra

No kidding!!!! So tired of the constant complaining about how the world is against us. This commentator doesn't like us, the committee doesn't like us, ESPN doesn't like us. Yes, every program has detractors but geez, tired of the whining. Win our games and take care of business and the world can't ignore us. 

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

My thoughts exactly.  I’m glad there are at least a few others who share this sentiment.

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GoNutz27's picture

I have zero confidence in the NCAA leadership, since they have a track record of not being consistent.  Would not surprise me if they deny the waiver just because they can... and by the way... it's Ohio State.  I don't recall too many times the NCAA has been very favorable to the Buckeyes.

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Homey1970's picture

The waiver is almost guaranteed.  Not because of football but because the comment was made by a potential future teammate of Fields on UGA’s baseball team.

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NatiBuck's picture

There  is no way this waiver does not get granted.  For the NCAA to deny the waiver would require them to publicly defend someone calling an african-american the n-word.  I agree that the NCAA can at time be stupid, but there is no way they take that stance

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wigmon's picture

Thats quite the hyperbole there.  Fields nor anyone else on the football team heard the other students comments.  You don't think any student at OSU has ever used the word?  You don't think Fields and most of the football team hasn't listened to music that uses the word?

If there was a threat tied to it, then certainly I I'd agree, which is why I am interested in hearing the rest of the argument.  I don't think the ncaa wants to set a precedent that anyone that gets called a name that they weren't even aware of, gets a transfer waiver.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Thats quite the hyperbole there.  Fields nor anyone else on the football team heard the other students comments.  You don't think any student at OSU has ever used the word?

What are you on about?! That student was kicked off the damn baseball team, they didn't just do that for shits and giggles. His remarks WERE heard and Georgia said as much and cited it as the reason why he was removed from the team.

You don't think Fields and most of the football team hasn't listened to music that uses the word?

Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

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wigmon's picture

The hyperbolic statement I was responding to stated:

"For the NCAA to deny the waiver would require them to publicly defend someone calling an african-american the n-word"

First, Fields nor anyone else on the football team heard the student use the word.  He was not called it to his face nor was it used in a personally threatening way (that we are currently aware of).  Second, according to the student, he personally apologized to Fields and they were cool.  Third, there isn't a single other person looking to transfer out of the program based on a report that some drunk kid used a racial slur, so there doesn't appear to be any issue in the culture of the program/university to others. 

Now maybe, as the lawyer suggests, there is more to the story that we haven't heard and certainly the NCAA will consider that information.  The OP made the statement about what is known, not about what might be and I think its just plain silly to think the NCAA should grant a transfer waiver because a bad word was used by someone on campus.  We all know its not the first time the word was ever used on campus or the first time Fields ever heard it or that its never been used on campus at OSU and every other one around the country.  I am not saying thats an excuse for anyone to use the word no matter the setting.  I am saying its silly to think that a kid who wasn't even around when the word was used, is seeking a transfer primarily for that reason.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

First, Fields nor anyone else on the football team heard the student use the word.

I'll be dammed, they must have kicked that kid off the baseball team for shits and giggles after all. Oh well, I'm sure he'll eventually see the humor in his removal from the team for no reason whatsoever.

nor was it used in a personally threatening way

Just the fact that a white person called him that could be considered threatening.

Third, there isn't a single other person looking to transfer out of the program based on a report that some drunk kid used a racial slur, so there doesn't appear to be any issue in the culture of the program/university to others.

Don't know why you keep going back to this since it is completely meaningless and wholly irrelevant to the case at hand. If Fields himself feels in anyway uncomfortable/unsafe/threatened then that's really all that matters.

Second, according to the student, he personally apologized to Fields and they were cool.

Possible racist says he apologized for saying something that apparently nobody heard, and claims that everything is "cool" now. Do you honestly not see how ridiculous that sounds?

I think its just plain silly to think the NCAA should grant a transfer waiver because a bad word was used by someone on campus

You might not think it's that big of a deal, but this is not some "bad word" and your characterization of it as such speaks volumes. You are not Fields and you cannot presume to project your own thoughts/feelings/reaction about the matter on to him.

a kid who wasn't even around when the word was used

Not that it really matters since according to you, nobody heard anything anyway.

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NatiBuck's picture

It's not a hyperbole.  The NCAA would literally have to make the argument that someone calling him the n-word is not a big deal.  There is no way they are going to do that.  I think they would rather set the precedent that they think being subjected to racial abuse is grounds for a hardship waiver than set the precedent that it is not.  That being said, I agree that the incident is probably not the primary reason for the transfer, but it is a good way to get the hardship waiver, because I think Fields knows the NCAA really isn't eager to fight this fight.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

The NCAA would literally have to make the argument that someone calling him the n-word is not a big deal.

Exactly, no way in hell do they open that can of worms.

Shandy is not beer

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CorchUrb's picture

The NCAA will grant him a waiver. The racist comment stuff is a touchy subject. I don’t think they want the bad PR of this situation if they don’t grant the waiver 

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AKruser12's picture

This!! I don't think this is something they can really deny... How can they say well these racist comments weren't that bad so... Denied... They can't and won't do it. It would be a PR nightmare.

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BrutusB's picture

No one's denying they happened, but if the appeal is denied I would guess it would be based on the following two factors:

1) the kid that said the racist stuff was punished, so it's not like UGA condoned the behavior

2) Fields sister is on the UGA softball team.  If he and his family truly thought UGA was a racist and unsafe place, why is she still there?

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Cincity Buck's picture

And what about the other black players on the Georgia football team.  I assume they were equally offended by the racist comment.  Will they all be eligible for immediate playing time should they decide to transfer?  Had the baseball player not been thrown off the baseball team the case would be stronger, especially if Fields did indeed intend to join the baseball team.  I was unaware that his sister plays on the UGA softball team.  This is not a simple case.  I call it 50/50.  Really don't understand why Tate doesn't wait this out.  Assuming that Tate is not eligible he could win the starting job for 2019 and then decide what to do.  He would likely be ready to graduate and could stay or transfer and play right away.  No way Tate is eligible to play in 2019 anywhere other than OSU.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

And what about the other black players on the Georgia football team.  I assume they were equally offended by the racist comment.  Will they all be eligible for immediate playing time should they decide to transfer?

The comment was explicitly directed to Fields, not all African Americans on the team. Not saying they weren't equally offended, but the fact that Fields was attacked verbally makes this personal. Also, one could potentially argue that Fields is worried about retribution from the baseball because he got their buddy kicked off the team.

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stxbuck's picture

As far as the rest of the black player son the UGa squad, the slur was not specifically directed at them, it was specifically directed at Fields. We all know the slur is just a smokescreen for immediate eligibility, but the NCAA will look very bad by appearing to condone such behavior-and it isn't in anyone's interest for them to do so. They don't want to have to answer the question "Why did you give a white QB immediate eligibility when he ostensibly transferred b/c of program corruption-Ole Miss/Shea Patterson, but won't to a black QB ostensibly transferring b/c of a racial issue" for the next ten years.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

It is interesting to me that a part of the process is that UGA seems to have a say here. 

immediate eligibility could depend in part on whether Georgia raises any objections to Ohio State’s request on Fields’ behalf

How important is UGA's input here? Will UGA defend its response to the incident and that it did everything they were supposed to do in this case? Or will they want to avoid this sensitive issue and comply? 

Your #2 factor is what a lot of UGA fans are certainly pointing to. It is my understanding that she only recently enrolled and came on campus....well after this incident.

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Extramedium's picture

Is she any good?  Maybe we can get her on the OSU softball team as well.

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martin anderson's picture

If Fields was so bothered by this slur then why didn't he leave school immediately rather than wait a few months hoping to get the starting job? He was never able to wrest control of the job from Fromm and now wants immediate eligibility based upon an incident that happened months ago. His sister signed an LOI about a month after the incident to play softball so the racial environment at UGA apparently isn't the real reason he wants out. If he's granted immediate eligibility then just do away with any and all transfer rules

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script-ohio's picture

Why is everyone so all or nothing in their reasoning here?  The kid doesn't have to feel like his life is over and he's in immediate danger to feel uncomfortable enough to justify a transfer.  You're suggesting that just because he wasn't willing to quit mid-season and mid-semester that any claim of a transfer isn't valid?  Give me a break.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Martin just likes to argue

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Extramedium's picture

It’s just that there are factors to consider, including the fact that he stayed on at Georgia all season despite the threatening environment caused by a player who was kicked off a different team calling him a name. 

I too am hoping that the ncaa clears him, but who knows?  Maybe they are tired of the apparent QB free-agent market that’s developed in recent years and decides to make a point with Fields.  They are a group of human beings and it’s not possible to predict with certainty what they’ll do.

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WezBuck28's picture

So worst case scenario here is Fields doesn't get the waiver, Tate transfers, chug leaves, and Baldwin is our only available QB..who also hasn't seen any action for 2 seasons..IF Fields doesn't get that waiver, we almost have to bring a grad transfer in for one season...so in essence, it's all urbans fault../s

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analyticalguy's picture

I don't think Chug leaves if he is the sole backup. Why would he leave if there is both the chance to "get the keys to a Ferrari" and a chance to win a championship.

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WezBuck28's picture

That's just what folks have been saying..he may not be back next season..just saying, worst case scenario

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analyticalguy's picture

Being already a grad transfer, I don't think he can be a grad transfer again (Somebody who knows the rules, please help here - can he?), but obviously he could decide simply to hang up his cleats after this year and get on with his life. That would seem much more of a possibility if he expected to be a fourth string quarterback (had Haskins and Martell both stayed, or if Martell stayed with Fields coming in), or even he expected to be third string again next year (although he transferred in not expecting to be better than third string). But if he's any kind of competitor as a football player, why wouldn't he stay if he had a significant chance to play even occasional meaningful minutes in the Buckeye offense as the primary (only) backup should Fields be ruled not immediately eligible?  In that scenario, he might even have enough belief in himself to have a chance to beat out Baldwin.

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BrutusB's picture

You could technically transfer as a grad student, but you would need a waiver (similar to Fields) as the immediate elgibility is only a one-time exception.

Graduate Transfer Waiver

The graduate transfer waiver is now typically used by athletes who have previous transferred once before and so cannot use the one-time transfer exception (even as a graduate student).

A letter from the previous school saying it does not object to the student-athlete being eligible;

Documentation that the student-athlete has been accepted into a specific graduate degree program;

Documentation about whether that degree program is offered by the previous school;
A student-athlete statement including the reasons for the transfer; and

A statement from the previous institution about the student-athlete’s status on the team.

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TheBuckeyeNut's picture

I hear Jalen Hurts is looking to start somewhere... 

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Sanitarian2's picture

Yes, play the game correctly and you win with that card every time. I too think we get lucky and he's going to play this season.

Sani

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

You obviously have to wonder if it being "ohio state" related has any impact on the decision, but I certainly hope the NCAA doesn't mess this up.

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

No, you don’t have to wonder this.  You really don’t.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

It is for sure laden in conspiracy theory which I normally loathe, but I feel like where there is smoke there is a room full of dumb, old, white, rich assholes who think they can decide what's best for tens of thousands of kids who have moved away from home and are just trying to do the best they can for themselves and those back home depending on them for a better future.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

Totally agree that a bunch of wealthy old dudes are almost certainly out of touch with the needs of college athletes and undoubtedly make some bad decisions as a result of that from time to time.

And if they don’t rule on Fields case the way we think they should, I think it will be much more related to all of this than it would be to some kind of vendetta against the Buckeyes.

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bdbrown66's picture

It is for sure laden in conspiracy theory which I normally loathe, but I feel like where there is smoke there is a room full of dumb, old, white, rich assholes who think they can decide what's best for tens of thousands of kids who have moved away from home and are just trying to do the best they can for themselves and those back home depending on them for a better future.

Do you realize what you just said is as racist as the comment which started this whole transfer in the first place?  We may not agree with their decisions, but what does the fact that any of them are white (or black/yellow/green//whatever) have to do with it?

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

That's essentially reverse racism though.

If Fields is leaving UGA because of the racial slur hurled his way and the impact it had on him and his existence at UGA, what right would anyone on the board of the NCAA (the rich, old, white assholes) have to tell him about how that experience should have made him feel, and tell him his experience doesn't warrant the hardship waiver he's requesting?

What could they possibly know about being disparaged upon because of their race? And in that vein, being an 18 year old kid and dealing with it in that environment with that high of a profile?

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bdbrown66's picture

That's essentially reverse racism though.

If Fields is leaving UGA because of the racial slur hurled his way and the impact it had on him and his existence at UGA, what right would anyone on the board of the NCAA (the rich, old, white assholes) have to tell him about how that experience should have made him feel, and tell him his experience doesn't warrant the hardship waiver he's requesting?

What could they possibly know about being disparaged upon because of their race? And in that vein, being an 18 year old kid and dealing with it in that environment with that high of a profile?

Do you want to add sexism to your list?  Because that group of "rich old white men" that you're referring to (the NCAA Legislative Relief Committee) has 7 members; 3 are white males, 3 are white females, and 1 is a black female athlete.  But yeah, whatever.

Here's the list, BTW:

http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1CLR

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Dang you and your facts Bd, you’re ruining Run’s perfectly good narrative,

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Extramedium's picture

Do you actually have the racial breakdown of the people “at the NCAA” and can confirm they are all old rich white assholes? Can you confirm those making the decision regarding Fields are those same people?

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TurboNut's picture

Fields’ attorney Tom Mars – who also represented Patterson in his waiver request last year – told ESPN’s Dan Murphy that there is more to the situation than meets the eye.

"Nobody who's on social media would have a problem with Justin getting a waiver if they knew the whole story," Mars told Murphy.

I figured there was more to the story. It will be interesting to see if we hear about this or if Georgia keeps this from being released to the public. 

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osu78's picture

I'm guessing if there is and if it puts UGA in a bad light they will simply approve the transfer and let the NCAA decide; at which point the NCAA would probably OK it since UGA didn't block it. All of that avoids any additional dirty laundry coming out and lets the NCAA and UGA look compassionate. If the NCAA didn't approve it or UGA blocked it I would guess OSU would go to the mat over it since they need a QB with Tate leaving. I doubt UGA or the nCAA wants a fight. UGA wouldn't face Fields in the regular season, and the NCAA doesn't need the bad PR.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

That quote there about what's been on social media was interesting to me too.

Anyone who is all over Twitter have more about what he was referencing?

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

Not sure but I read it more along the lines of him basically suggesting that the people of the Twitterverse are going to be fired up and running their mouths regardless but if they knew the whole story, they wouldn’t be complaining.

Basically, he’s saying that there’s more out there (to strengthen Fields’ case) than solely the incident with the baseball player.  I don’t think he meant that the bonus info can be found on Twitter.

I could be wrong but that’s how I interpreted it.

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BrutusB's picture

While I don't disagree, every lawyer is going to talk like its a slam dunk case.  That's his job.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

I'm not in favor of people using the n-word in general, and definitely against slurs being flung at people, but being called a bad name seems pretty weak in terms of what it requires to be granted a waiver. Granted the attorney says if we knew the whole story no one would have a problem with Fields getting a waiver; however lawyers are paid to petition on the client's behalf so I take what he says with a grain of salt. Still, it's bad optics for the NCAA to reject a petition for a kid who claims racial discrimination and/or safety concerns is pushing him from his school.

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LouBuck35's picture

"but"

This is where you lost me, my dude.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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Buckeyeneer's picture

That's cool, man. We don't have to agree. As a white guy, I can't pretend I know what its like to have the N-word thrown my way. I have been insulted and taunted for pretty much every attribute that makes me, well, me, so I know what that feels like. Unless it was a continual and/or repeated problem or it involved his football teammates, coaches, and/or staff/faculty at Georgia that created an atypically adverse environment for Fields, I understand that is a different situation and support a waiver to get him out of that scenario. What I don't really get is how one student calling him a slur, one time, who has since been kicked off the Georgia baseball team (and maybe out of school, I don't remember) creates some special situation to get a waiver. That said, I want what's best for OSU and with Tate in the portal, I really hope Fields does get his waiver granted.

If the lawyer is right and it was much more than what was reported, I will admit my initial take was wrong and I am fully in favor of him getting a waiver.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Tate has an air of entitlement around him. I think he felt the job is going to be given to him regardless if fields was here or not. He totally downplayed the Matthew Baldwin. To compound the problem he started tweeting and saying the things he said and then talks about a transfer. I don’t feel sorry for anyone that plays football and his school covered for free. He will be fine regardless of where he’s at.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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hetuck's picture

I don't see Georgia wanting racist dirty laundry being aired. As it is, I can see other schools (James Franklin) already using it against them in recruiting. 

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buckeyeradar's picture

What I see is the NCAA that holds enormous power and Ohio State with one foot still in the dog house with former coach Smith situation.  I don't feel good with about this.  It's like watching a replay on TV and seeing the missed call but still not getting the correct call.  Remember Ohio State is the second most hated football team in the country.  But you're saying, " we still have a chance?"  

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

No.  This decision has nothing to do with a bad WR coach and the beginning of last season.  Zero.

The only people who associate the two at all are the Buckeyes fans who wake up every morning wondering who is out to get us today.

Just stop with this.

I don’t know how this ruling is going to go.  I hope it goes in our favor.  But let’s stop this conspiracy stuff.

I love going to MGoBlog to chuckle at them.  But others look at our boards too.  This theory that the NCAA (and every other entity in the universe) is out to get us makes us look like morons.

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buckeyeradar's picture

Balderdash.  What I'm saying is the NCAA enjoys it's power over institutions and people.  If they really want to solve this problem they would come up with their answer in a speedy and timely manner.  They do it to all the colleges and universities alike.  I'm just saying we as an institution have been under the microscope recently.  Now who's the moron. I suppose I'm a moron if Franklin and hairball agree with you. 

I may not be the sharpest crayon in the box but I'm one of the most colorful.

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

+1 for balderdash because it’s a word we should all be using more often.

I still believe that we as a fanbase look like morons with the complex that we seem to have about the world/NCAA/media being against us.  But it seems that’s not the point you were making.

As for the events of last summer putting the program under a microscope it wouldn’t otherwise be under, I can’t say I agree with that either.  If you are Ohio State or any other blue blood program, the microscope is always on.  Fields transferring will get the same attention from the NCAA as it would have gotten if Zach Smith wasn’t a jerk.

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Extramedium's picture

While I don’t agree that the media is against us as a rule, I do believe they were against us last season, and it directly affected our chances at the playoffs as well as Haskins’ pathetic Heisman coverage and resulting vote total.

sorry but when the only coverage you’re getting in the media is Tom Rinaldi getting sensitive and various hot heads calling for Urban Meyer’s job, teams like OU get hyped beyond what they deserved, and we end up at #6 despite having beat them in virtually every category which supposedly factors into the playoff committee’s decision making process.  Hell even Herbstreit wouldn’t mention OSU as possible big ten contenders, much less being playoff worthy.

listened to an espn CFB podcast today (my mistake) and amidst all the praise of Georgia, bama and Clemson, with some inexplicable sprinkles of Texas A&M being the next big thing, the only mention of Ohio State was that Fields transferred out of Georgia because he “couldn’t handle his business” and beat out Fromm.

again I don’t think there’s a vast conspiracy, but I definitely see why people feel that way.

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LCT's picture

There *has* to be more to this than what's known because what's known, while disgraceful on Sasser's part individually, isn't enough to warrant a waiver as Georgia's institutional response was clearly sufficient & appropriate.

And frankly, *if* the Fields waiver is granted my expectation is that McMurphy, Rinaldi, The _____ (flavor of the week Sportz Website that has a name like every other's) will attach to Georgia like fleas & ticks and bleed them dry one drop at a time via Journalism.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

his lawyer has even alluded to that there is more to the story that’s not been told that will be in favor of fields being able to play immediately.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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LCT's picture

Right. Go get 'em then.

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Nutinpa's picture

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LCT's picture

I am 100% into Lawfare. Fight 'em the way they choose.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

And frankly, *if* the Fields waiver is granted my expectation is that McMurphy, Rinaldi, The _____ (flavor of the week Sportz Website that has a name like every other's) will attach to Georgia like fleas & ticks and bleed them dry one drop at a time via Journalism

I'm not sure I agree. It seems racism in the South stories are not exactly the "man bites dog" material that modern sports journalism is looking for.  

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Extramedium's picture

That and espn would never send their dogs after an sec darling like Georgia.  Maybe if it was Ole Miss or Vanderbilt though.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

As for Fields playing this year I just get the sense that he would not of transferred unless he knew he was going to be eligible. He could’ve just stayed at Georgia another year and either redshirted there or backed up taking over as a junior. I tend to think that the NCAA does not want to get involved in something like this.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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OSU069's picture

You're right, but I also think he realized that Georgia's offense was not the best fit for him. And him being good friends with Haskins, I think he felt it would be better for his NFL future to learn for 2 years from Ryan Day and play in our offense. I don't want to sound too homer here, but I think it was a good decision for his personal development as a QB. 

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b01000100's picture

Final ruling from NCAA, probably: "We have determined that Mr. Fields is not eligible to play.  Also, since you wasted our time, Targeting has been called on all of your starting defensive backfield (once you settle on who they are).  If we are able to split Targeting into Targeting 1 and Targeting 2, all calls will be on Targeting 2.  Also, those calls will be considered each player's 5th offense.  They will each be suspended for 6 games.  Please stop bothering us, unless you want to support a player transferring from your school to another.  In any of those cases, we will approve it as quickly as possible."

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Zone's picture

Georgia nor the NCAA want to cause any commotion given the situation that unfolded regardless of Georgia taking the obvious appropriate action of removing the baseball player using racial slurs.

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LWiegand91's picture

Obviously the depth would be a huge issue if Fields doesn't get the waiver and Tate transfers, but I have a feeling that Day believes that Baldwin was going to beat out Tate. Baldwin was Days choice (similar to JT being Hermans choice) during recruiting and brining him to Ohio State. Similar with Miller. I think that, not Fields, is what drove Tate to this position. That angle is being talked about much.

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Extramedium's picture

100%

tate assumed, and even said outright we’d be going back to a zone read offense next year.  I don’t think Day felt the same way.

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akerkm1's picture

It is Ryan Day's job to make this roster as strong as possible, and I believe he is doing just that. I don't think Dabo or Saban would turn Fields away because they had a star QB waiting in the wings. I do think Tate went about this the wrong way, but who am I to judge a student athlete who is trying to make the most of his collegiate career. The 2 coaches who brought him in here (Beck and Urban) are no longer here. But this whole "Ohio State is my Dream School, I guarantee I win the job because of the 2 years I’ve been here”.. those comments just seem hollow now with him entering the transfer portal, and editing his social media status’ already, without even going through a competition.

If he transfers, I wish him nothing but the best.. It would be nice to see him put up more of a fight than an on Twitter.  

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LCT's picture

Yeah....Tate hasn't acquitted himself well in all this.

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Scooter's picture

Or maybe he realized that the playbook he's been learning for 2 years isn't around anymore.  He'd be starting at square 1 just like Justin and knew he couldn't win that battle.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

"He'd be starting at square 1 just like Justin and knew he couldn't win that battle."

This is the only reason Tate isn't going to be at OSU any more.  He was confident with Haskins leaving.  Then Fields rumors started swirling and his confidence turned into arrogance and making poor social media choices.  Then Fields came to OSU and he knew not only could he not beat him, but he has now lost the team because he spouted off about a guy that is now a member of his team.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Justin Fields completed 27 of 39 passing attempts for 328 yards and four touchdowns in his lone season at Georgia.

Welcome to your new reality, Justin.  It's the place where this stat line will be expected weekly. 

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Cooper's picture

I hope Day lets him rip it often. His Elite 11 highlights are incredible and he truly has a talented arm, but I don’t think he was able to show it at Georgia and even in high school for a couple of reasons:

1. In high school, his coach essentially ran him into the ground (or at least that’s how it was portrayed on QB1). He also didn’t have the best skill talent surrounding him and was always the best athlete on the field.

2. Georgia also seemed to be a fan of running him into the ground, because he was the Tate to Jake Fromm’s Haskins. It also seems in the Georgia highlights that he was told to make a read or two and then take off. 

Obviously the passing numbers won’t be the same as Haskins because Fields does have great running ability, but I would be shocked if he throws for anything less than 3,500 yards over a 13-15 game season.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

That seems like a solid expectation, based on what I've seen and read.

I think he found that he made a bad choice, not only because beating out Fromm was going to be tantamount to beating out JT (as in, it was NEVER going to happen), but also because the caliber of coaching wasn't going to be next level stuff.  This is the reason I think he's going to thrive at Ohio State. 

(Talent + Coaching) x Innovative Scheme = $100 on Fields to win the Heisman

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Cooper's picture

I would take that bet right now, considering his odds are at least above +4000 (from what I’ve seen, his odds aren’t even listed). 

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I hope it stays that way until I get to Vegas next month.

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JJBleedsScarletandGray's picture

I am reading a lot of negativity on these threads. I for one am very excited because the writing is on the wall, Fields will be eligible. Let Tate go. He was no good for this offensive scheme. Justin Fields is a beast and is a perfect fit. Think Haskins but better. Baulding is a better fit than Tate. It’s very rare you need three QBs in a season. We have Miller coming in next year. Everything is working out great.

Fear the chunky Monkey

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RUNTOWIN's picture

1. I'm going to trust that Day, Smith, and the lawyer know a lot more about how this will go than anyone else on the outside.  What they know has driven the process that led to Field's transfer into OSU.  Fields will be granted the waiver.  The lawyer wouldn't risk his reputation and future ability to get clients on this if he wasn't damn sure.

2. I'm going to assume that Day is not a fan of Tate being the face of his program (I'm not either).  This being due to his Tweeting, his comments to the media, and probably his overall demeanor.  He strikes me as an "I-guy" and one that is great to have when things are going well but a cancer when things start to go south.  Day probably foresees trouble with this young man that could derail a season.  So...he has gone and gotten his own guy (Fields) and told Tate that he will have to compete for the job. Tate apparently doesn't want to.  Why?  Because of the demeanor and the "me-1st" attitude that he has demonstrated.  He probably doesn't feel he should have to.  He probably feels disrespected.  Boo-Hoo...poor Tate.  (Can you imagine Jalen H. acting like Tate in the media?  Hell no)

3. I don't think anyone really turned on Tate.  Tate's Tweets, comments to the media and his demeanor have soured people's opinions on him just like they have soured Coach Day's opinion of and trust in him.

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Cooper's picture

Pretty ridiculous that some of you are trying to project how a black kid should feel about being called a certain word. Whether or not his leading reason for transferring is an opportunity to play somewhere else, it’s entirely possible he also felt that Georgia and/or his surroundings didn’t make him feel comfortable, thus not wanting to deal with all of the stresses on the field and off.

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LCT's picture

Individual act
Institutional climate
Not the same
Virtue signalled

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Cooper's picture

I actually feel even better about my contention now that I’ve been identified by the virtue signaling police.

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LCT's picture

Fields can/should feel however he chooses to your point but the issue at hand is on what basis waivers are granted. Everyone agrees that the baseball player is a jackass. Posturing like yours is what prevents (actual) Conversation & Dialogue & Progress &c.

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Cooper's picture

It was directed at a couple posters above that threw in a “but”. But please, continue your tiresome spin zones on how empathy is a societal sin. 

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LCT's picture

No it wasn't. It was the Forum equivalent of "subtweeting." Go at your targets if that's your intent. But if your intent is to signal virtue, proceed as you have.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

So I guess it was directed at me. Cooper, I am a reasonable guy and cool with discussion so feel free to respond directly to me if you disagree with a post. In any event, I responded already to LouBuck which expanded upon my previous comment, so I'll not repeat it here.

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script-ohio's picture

Much like the foul tongue of Mordor

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wigmon's picture

What is the institutional climate argument? 

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LCT's picture

If Georgia has a bigotry problem bigger than one idiot on the baseball team that speaks to an institutional issue that needs to be explored & dealt with. I read the lawyer's comment such that this is a possibility.

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wigmon's picture

Got it.  I took from your statement that you had heard some actual info.  I heard the lawyers comments.  I have no idea what he was eluding to. 

But, lets say thats his argument.  IF there are 60 other people of color on the football team and no one else seeks a transfer/waiver, is that evidence for or against the institutional problem?  I would have to guess that the issue has to be something directed specifically at Fields or we'd see lots of guys leaving and they'd have a very difficult time recruiting.

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LCT's picture

Yeah, I agree with you. Bad incident no question. But an overhead view of the situation based on what's known seems to exonerate Georgia as an institution.

Now, would I mind seeing Lawyers & Journalists put the torch to an SEC University? Hell no. I would love that. EDIT: assuming it's justified of course

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script-ohio's picture

One, comments directed at Fields can reasonably be expected to impact Fields more so than other players.  Two, not every player has to feel the same way about everything.  Three, other players do not have the same MLB potential or interest in baseball as Fields might.  Four, you don't need one sole, single reason to transfer.  Other players could be significantly bothered by this but not enough to transfer.  Fields, with *additional* incentive to transfer, could feel that the equation has been shifted enough to make transfer the better option for him.  It's not all or nothing, you can make decisions based on multiple reasons.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

This was also suggested by the students who heard and reported the incident at the football game. That may be simply their viewpoint, but it was said from the outset. 

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stpetebuck's picture

Imo, Georgia would have serious repercussions if they fight this. If their stance is anything less than supportive of a kid to be in a friendly, safe environment, they will create an incredible weapon for other programs competing for minority students in every field, not just football. 

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wigmon's picture

Listen, I get that a kid said a bad word, but lets not kid ourselves that this is the main reason for the transfer request.  His main reason for seeking the transfer is because he was behind a kid that was going to likely be the QB for the next 2 years. 

The baseball player should have been punished and I don't think his punishment was light (loss of scholarship and participation in his sport as well as being eviscerated on social media).  Its been reported that the the player talked to Fields and apologized and that "they were cool".  Now, maybe there is more to the story than that and I guess we'll hear about it in the NCAA filing.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

the NCAA would be incredibly stupid to fight this--they gain nothing and risk looking terrible. 

I'd give us a 98% chance of having Fields eligible for the fall

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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stpetebuck's picture

No you’re missing the point. I wouldn’t send my highly sought after kid to a school that suggests racist behavior is tolerable in any way. Georgia will be hurt by any decision other than granting a waiver  

There are ‘bad words ‘ and then there are words that imply you and everyone of your ethnicity are inferior. Add to that a word that is tied to recent extremely violent incidents as well as regional history, and you have Georgia being boycotted by African American athletes and students in general. 

They will gain more by granting the waiver with a message of healing than fighting it. 

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wigmon's picture

No, I think I understand the argument, I just don't agree.  Again, no one else on the football team has sought to leave over any issues surrounding race (at least none that I have heard).  Georgia in no way has said that the use of the word was tolerable and handed down a pretty severe punishment to the student.  In all honesty, if Georgia doesn't contest the transfer based on this incident, then that could be perceived as admitting that they didn't handle the situation properly.  But you could be correct as well that they don't want to risk it the other way either.

I guess I grew up differently.  Sticks and stones and all.  Its just a word and the student wasn't talking to Fields when he said it so there was no kind of direct threat implied or otherwise.  Bad choice for sure, but I teach my kids that other peoples words don't have any affect on who I am and how I should act.  Now it it were an institutional problem or some sort of threat were involved, I'd totally understand not wanting to be around that culture, but currently there isn't any evidence that this is the case. 

Again, I don't think the NCAA wants to set a precedent that a transfer waiver should be granted because a random student or average joe makes a derogatory statement that the athlete didn't even hear  I think there has to be more to the story than name calling in order for them to grant the waiver. 

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stpetebuck's picture

You’re suggesting it’s a small incident. It may be to you. However it’s impossible for Georgia or the Ncaa to argue that without sounding utterly insensitive to future recruits. 

Imsgine  an black recruiter in the living room of a 5* black prospect competing with Georgia. And Georgia did not stand up for Fields. It’s over before it begins. Georgie loses that kid 4 outta 5 times. 

And JF is going to transfer out either way.  So wether you think it’s s big deal or not , it’s indefensible  

 And finally call someone an asshole, or a jerkoff and you are only insulting him. Just sticks and stones as you said. That’s an individual insulting an individual. But Pleaee don’t tell me you’re so naive to think a racial slur is the same thing , in Georgia,  shouted in a crowd by a white student towards a black guy.  Really ,? ,  just sticks and stones at that point? Do you really believe that ?

edit: yes I would agree with anyone suggesting that the transfer is greatly motivated simply wanting to get playing time. No doubt. 

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wigmon's picture

Well, fields sister is staying put at the university, so I am not sure how big of a deal the family really thinks it is. 

I get it, he's using the incident to try and gain immediate eligibility.  Maybe there is more to the story than we know at the moment.  I guess we will find out.  again, a random white guy used a racial slur in reference to a football player he wanted the coach to put in the  game.  The player nor any other individual associated with the football team heard the slur.  I won't down play how it makes the individual who used the slur look, but fields never heard it and there was no implied threat.

on a separate subject, whats it really matter that the guy who used the word was white?  If a black fan had yelled the exact same thing, would it have mattered?  Its not the word that matters, its the context.  I was leaving a concert some years ago.  There was an incident mostly caused by drinking and just being too crowded, but this white guy and black guy exchanged words and the black man yelled, "come on you effin n----".  Using the word in a derogatory manor is not linked to just one race.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Simple question......If Field's had won the starting job half way through the year (assuming this incident still occurred), would he still have sought a transfer?

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stpetebuck's picture

Yes that is a simple question. 

He probdbly puts up with whatever till he goes pro. But also simply put, that didn’t happen so it’s moot. Agreed? 

My point is based on what actually happened, Georgia and the ncaa cannot come out saying “it’s not that bad”  It will make Georgia look supportive of racism just like people think Urban Meyer supports wife beating.  

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KENTACOHUT's picture

Agreed ^^^^

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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maximumblitz's picture

I don't think Tate would transfer until the end of the semester, and by that time, he would have a pretty good read on who won the position battle in spring practice.

Since the NFL has a poor track record predicting who will be a good QB, I don't think we know either. For example, there are many on here who thought Joe was better than Dwayne.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

And people were wrong and that's ok.  But Joe handled it with grace, and ended up doing pretty well for himself in his own right.  Most of the coaches of the possible landing spots for Tate are going to drag their feet for a bit before going after him.  They are going to have the conversation in their head asking if what he can do on the field outweighs the fact that he may cause problems in the locker room if things don't go his way.  This isn't the NFL where you can be an ass in real life and people just deal with it in the locker room because of the money they are making.

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Buckeye Hill's picture

 I hope Fields get the  waiver and is on the field in the fall

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Kurt's picture

I say this knowing I'm in the serious minority here but I think his case for 'hardship' is weak sauce.  Georgia took action by expelling the offending baseball player.  The true reason for his transfer is well known by everyone including Georgia, Ohio State, Mars, the NCAA, and most especially Fields.  And to make the situation stranger, Fields' sister recently accepted a scholarship to play at Georgia.  So one family member is saying 'I can't be at that university' while another is just getting started there.

That said Bruce Feldman predicts the NCAA will rule in favor of Fields to avoid negative press - also weak sauce - but I see that as the likely outcome.

I think Tate is in the portal to wait and see how this shakes out.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Georgia took action by expelling the offending baseball player

As has been reiterated countless times, the student WAS NOT expelled, he was merely removed from the baseball team.

Fields' sister recently accepted a scholarship to play at Georgia.  So one family member is saying 'I can't be at that university' while another is just getting started there.

That has no relevance whatsoever, the issue is how Fields HIMSELF feels about the climate. How anyone else feels is completely irrelevant to this case.

Shandy is not beer

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BucksHave7's picture

Lotsa people here have Buckeye Envy. We have a Natl Championship game MVP caliber QB for the next 3 years in Columbus.   They will run and hide once he is officially granted immediate eligibility.

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NOBLUE's picture

here we go again everybody knows he will receive his waiver..but as usual all you journalist will milk this story  for every drop its worth

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Sanitarian2's picture

It's strange to me that the actions of an individual student are supposed to reflect poorly on a University. It doesn't surprise me that a University might run in terror at one of the cards being played against it.

Sani

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UpIrons's picture

Does a head coaching change ever result in a waiver? (thinking about Tate here)

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BucksHave7's picture

Do you guys know how many civil rights groups will sue the NCAA if he isnt granted immediate eligibiity? 

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I imagine, ultimately, he'll get his waiver, because it's 2019 and it stems from a race thing.  Even if his case isn't that great...I don't think the NCAA wants the negative publicity of denying a waiver brought forth due to an experience of racism, even if the kid who said the racist things was dealt with accordingly by the University of Georgia.

Class of 2010.

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BucksHave7's picture

Everything Ive read and heard, CBS, ESPN, B10 Network says Fields gets immediate eligibility. 

Who has gone on record in the media saying he is not? I want the link.  Otherwise stop wasting our time with your own opinion.  I want facts.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Fields gets permission to play and does contribute in '19. Fortunately for us it's in mop up duty because Baldwin will prove to be a star. Both contribute, but Fields gets developed as a gifted and promising back up. He's incredible and after Baldwin scores 7 touchdowns in the first 2 quarters, Fields can score 8 in the second 2 quarters. Perhaps I exaggerated a little but we will see what spring football delivers.

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OSU069's picture

Fields gets permission to play and does contribute in '19. Fortunately for us it's in mop up duty because Baldwin will prove to be a star. Both contribute, but Fields gets developed as a gifted and promising back up. 

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Dignan's picture

A word was said that ought never be said, and it was said about/to Justin Fields. On top of that, it was said by a fellow student athlete. There may be more, but that’s enough for me. That simply must never happen; it’s that serious. The University of Georgia took appropriate action, but that doesn’t mean Fields should have to pay a penalty for wanting to leave there. 

On the run from Johnny Law...ain’t no trip to Cleveland.

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stxbuck's picture

If the NCAA grants immediate eligibility to an SEC QB ostensibly transferring b/c of bagman issues/sanctions-Shea Patterson/Ole Miss/scUM, they would look pretty bad denying immediate eligibility to an SEC QB ostensibly transferring b/c of racial issues. Good ol' boy SEC culture gonna be good ol' boy SEC culture-bagmen and casual bigotry.

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teddyballgame's picture

So weird that people try to argue this one way or the other without knowing all of the facts and circumstances.

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cottageavebuckeye's picture

some of you are racing down a rabbit hole that you, your kids cannot escape...that a mere mention of a word becomes the rock bed of outrage, condemnation, and moral superiority.

and that an attorney would use the utterance as a basis for petition is only that...an attorney using whatever gruel he can muster to argue a case.

were you not 13 once, trying out the "bad words" and seeing how they apply in modern discourse?  apparently for some here, there is no leeway. 

there have been many posts indicating that georgia does not presently have a culture of discrimination.  should this not be a major consideration involving fields?

to post otherwise feeds a part of a new culture in america that i think is dangerous...one utterance in the public square...guilty.

my kids are grown, i don't have to navigate this.  for those raising kids right now, fear the wrath of those comfortable in judging others. 

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Gary Black's picture

One utterance of racial slurs? At the college level? People who even think those words, let alone say them don’t belong in society. 

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Kernfan's picture

I agree with you that the outrage over a statement/joke gets overdone all the time in today's society.  But a quick google search on the Justin Fields/Adam Sasser incidident, I looked at two UGA related newspapers that indicated some African American students thought the problem was more systemic.  So if the NCAA wants to argue this was only one isolated incident, the lawyer for Fields may have ammo from other students on attacking UGA.  I will say that a few years ago I was at a conference at UGA's conference center and found the folks at the campus very nice.  I am 55 and African American, and can remembering visiting relatives in the South when I was young and thinking the region was one giant shit hole.  But I am not attending school there, so kids attending there may have a different view.  fyi, here are a couple of articles to which I referred.  No idea of course how prevalent issues are at UGA or if Fields himself experience any other incidents that have not been reported.

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/uga-adam-sasser-both-did-the-right-t...

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/uga-whistle-blowers-happy-to-see-ada...

https://www.redandblack.com/opinion/opinion-adam-sasser-s-comments-revea...

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Silver_Bullet's picture

Given one of the main reasons for requesting the waiver, I am almost certain it will be approved.  Given the attention racism is getting, which has no place in our society, the NCAA would be 100% wrong in denial regardless of the other reasons to be presented.  They wouldn't want the attention it would garner either.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

I've always thought, and posted in the past, that if a kid wants to transfer to another school for whatever reason, he should be allowed to do so and play right away.  For a democratic society we sure have some autocractic rules about a lot of things.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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BPOSU's picture

The part that is often forgotten in this, that I think is going to key, is that Fields himself was considering playing baseball while at UGA.

So it wasn't just some random kid that happened to be an athlete, it was a potential teammate. Which, even if Fields wasn't going to play baseball, I'm sure his lawyer will put out that he was considering it which in my mind creates an even bigger slam dunk of a case for a waiver

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gobucks1966's picture

What worries me is the NCAA might try to curb these transfers. Myself I really don't like it when players will shuffle back and forth like base ball cards. It's only going to make the good teams better. I wonder if teams like Minnesota ever entered his mind to transfer to. I feel you have years to study and visit schools that you like so live with your selection. I think if a coach leaves or some sort of team probation then you can leave other wise you should sit a year. It reminds me of kids getting a bad deal growing up and says I'm taking my ball and go home.

Denny

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Tommyboy's picture

He should have to sit out. I hope he doesn't, but it's a case of the inmates running the asylum. Insanity. Any one can transfer.

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Ca114fire's picture

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling its a lot easier to get those waivers leaving TOSU than trying to come to TOSU

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Joker's picture

If getting the waiver is solely off of the incident involving the baseball player, then the NCAA needs to eliminate the whole sitting out a year penalty all together. This will become a very common reason to transfer otherwise. Also, changing schools is not going to stop the name calling. If he'd come to Ohio State and throws 2 ints in her first couple throws of his Buckeye career, some drunken idiot in The Shoe is surely going to be using the same inappropriate words.

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bonebuck's picture

College free agency is alive and well. We are celebrating this transfer but it will bite us in the future.

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cplunk's picture

These are students, right? I mean, that's everybody's argument about why we can't pay them, why they can't take advertising dollars, why more playoff games is too many, etc, etc...

Well, students can transfer at any time. Physics majors don't sit out a year from physics classes because they transferred. Band members don't sit out a year from band because they transferred.

If athletes are students then they should be allowed to transfer at any time to any school, just like any other student. They should not have to sit out. If athletes aren't students then fine, they can be made to sit out,  but they should also be paid. Lots of people here trying to have it both ways.

I hope Fields gets his waiver, no matter what the reason, not because I'm an Ohio State fan but because the transfer rule is hypocritical, stupid, and gives student athletes less rights than other students. 

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cottageavebuckeye's picture

Let's not ignore the special "relationship" these kids have with the universities.  the school invests time and money into a kid, and if all goes well makes a ton of money.  the kid gets as many as 5 years of his life paid for, a marketable skill set, and for some, the inside track to a ton of money as well.

if the "ton of money" is disrupted, the deal changes.  and there is no greater disruption than if the most valuable player on the team gets to play musical chairs at any point in the deal.  

i'm just thinking out loud here...but for most teams the quarterback is the most valuable position on the field.  maybe special considerations need to be factored into transfer rules as they apply to quarterbacks.

COTTAGEAVEBUCKEYE

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OH-IO's picture

Any news on Tweeting Tate is going to class, winter workouts or did he return to Vegas?

OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville

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ATHENS GA BUCKEYE's picture

Ok.  So every time i provide information I get called a troll but for some reason I keep returning...

Georgia has been lobbying intently to make fields sit next year.  Why georgia has any say in the matter is unclear to me, but apparently they do.  Fields and his attorney have alerted Georgia that if they keep fighting his case that Fields will publicly reveal where the bodies are buried.  Georgia is backing off and Fields has won.  I'm told he'll get his waiver very soon.

Don't be alarmed by Fields or anybody else being given stuff.  Everybody does it.  It's just part of the deal.  Everybody has a dirty recruiter and at least one guy who is not affiliated with the team who gets things for people.  That guy is called the bag man. I'm told Zach Smith was Ohio States dirty recruiter.  No idea if that is accurate, but it would explain why the whole situation was handled the way it was.  If you're landing a top 10 recruiting class you're giving a few of the guys (or more) some stuff.  Generally its not as much as you would assume.  Sometimes it is more.  The SEC is definitely the forerunner in this game but Ohio State and Michigan and everyone else who's good does it too.  Really, just about everyone other than the service academies, and even those guys get god knows what on their weekends off campus at their sponsors houses. The only few instances in recent memory where it got out of hand were Ole Miss (recently) and Auburn (before Ole Miss).  I don't know what Pete Carroll was up to at USC but it looks like that was getting a bit wild as well.

Anymore, the only way you're getting in any trouble with the NCAA is if you're dumb enough to cooperate with their investigation.  They still have some control over the kids but they have no control over the schools and they know it.

As for Fields, hes as good as advertised, but people say he has an attitude problem.  His contribution to team chemistry this year at Georgia could be described as toxic.  But, most people are of the opinion that it was because he was disgruntled because he wasn't playing. I don't think that will follow him to Ohio State.  His teammates all liked him, though Im told he had a tendency to talk down to his them and be a prima donna.  Even the people who talked the worst about him described him as crazy talented.

Basically he is Terelle Pryor.  On and off the field.  Which isnt perfect but tate martell is looking like the same problem with far less ability.  I think fields may end up being better than pryor on and off the field.  

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BucksHave7's picture

Do you have facts of your claims or is it all your own opinion? 

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ATHENS GA BUCKEYE's picture

all facts.  I know everybody here.  Check my other comments.  I think my first one was about a month ago regarding fields.  I heard he was going to OSU a few days before the news broke and commented on here as soon as it did to confirm it and everyone called me a troll.

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ATHENS GA BUCKEYE's picture

I mean, it's not like i have documents stamped by a notary, but this is what im being told by the people who know. 

Recruit wants a car??  No problem.  I'm not just giving you a car, you have to sign for the lease.  The payment on your moms new 6 year leased Tahoe is $39 a month.  Big balloon payment due at the end.  You sign with us, maybe i wont even ask for that balloon payment.  you dont?  Your nfl money will cover it.  I am absolutely by no means implicating anyone.  But thats how it works.

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BucksHave7's picture

So you are saying you know that Kirby Smart runs a dirty program at GA?

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stxbuck's picture

Guys like Kirby Smart and Dabo Swinney are intentionally kept in the dark about shenanigans-they recruit who they want and the contact is made outside of their knowledge.

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stxbuck's picture

Thanks for the info-you are absolutely correct about how car leasing is the root of 85% of all bagmen evil. Recruit wants a car-register it to mama, if the recruit is really good, maybe Uncle Ricky and his favorite HS coach at the pipeline school get a sweetheart lease as well. People can squawk about "buying" the recruit-but he is going to get something whether he chooses Auburn, Bama, Clemson, or Tennessee-he still has to be recruited and convinced. There is a reason why Stanford, NW, and ND recruits tend to be more middle/upper middle class than those from other schools-their recruits parents/families don't have their hands out, and know that these schools don't play these games.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Basically he is Terelle Pryor.

For the love of all things Buckeye, Keep him away from tattoo studios.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

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NoVAsmitty's picture

I confess.  I was one of those who called you a "troll" and challenged you.  But I was out of line and mistaken.  I try to admit when I'm wrong.  I think you are legitimate and enjoy your valuable information.  FWIW.

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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v65animal's picture

QB1 - Tate, I watched the first 2 episodes last night. I got a laugh out of it when they took the team photo and Tate stood up on his toes to look taller just as they took the picture.

I'd like to see Tate transfer to a school that plays Ohio State this year or next. :-)

Earlier someone thought Tate should wait until spring, like Burrow did. Moving now gives him time to learn the offense. Burrow didn't have much time to learn this year, the expectations are high for Burrow now with a year to learn the offense.

Go Bucks!

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Sanitarian2's picture

IF Smith was Ohio States "Dirty Recruiter" he would have provided every single detail to the world by now, his drunk ass can't keep anything secret. That or his nut job of an ex-spouse would have buried the program.

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ArmyRob's picture

I don't think he would have.. Although he was fired, Urban never really said anything negative about him. I think he was told that if his personal issues ever brought negative light to the team then he would be fired. It happened, no one at the university piled on, they just separated themselves. Urban being caught up in it was the worst part but you can see that everything was in place to shield him from the Smiths marital issues.

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ATHENS GA BUCKEYE's picture

I think his text threat to Tom Herman was hinting at something along those lines.  And then somebody close to him shut it down.  The one thing these cant do is start talking about it.  Because everyone is guilty.  If you start the nuclear war everyone ends up dead...

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MassiveAttack's picture

At the risk of being unpopular...

People on here always complain about too many forum posts about a topic.  How many articles do we need on this topic?  This has to be at least the 4th one.

The Ohio State University - "Haters love us!" 
Baskin Robbins? Nah, Haskins Dobbins - KannonMic

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Based on the comments, I think it is just an update from one of the previous articles.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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Pick0711's picture

Kind of off topic, but I have always been curious how Antonio Williams got a waiver.  Anyone know?

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OSU069's picture

Because the NCAA makes no sense and just does things randomly and basically do whatever they feel like that day. Don’t get me wrong I’m happy he got the waiver, but I’m going to be nervous about fields getting it until it officially happens. The NCAA just doesn’t follow logic a lot of the time.

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RocknRollover's picture

Only one farewell song I have to sing to Mr. Martell. 

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Toilrt Paper's picture

If the NCAA doesn't let Fields play this year, Baldwin does a good job QB, Fromm leaves a year early for the NFL, does Fields transfer back to Georgia? 

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wigmon's picture

Transfers are required to sit a year.  If he doesn't get a waiver to play this year, why would he get one to transfer next year?

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Didn't say he could play if he transferred again, unless someone calls him names again. 

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NoVAsmitty's picture

As I recall, the reason Shea Patterson’s NCAA decision took so long wasn’t the NCAA. It was Ole Miss dragging its feet. I expect UGA will do the same and we won’t know until after Spring Ball, but Fields will get the waiver. 

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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BillShermansGhost's picture

Not to contradict you, you may be 100% correct, but I'm wondering if Field's lawyer puts the screws to Georgia, with the threat of going public with info that paints the school in a bad light, therefore hurrying the process along.  

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mynameiswoody's picture

I hate that Tate is gone. I wish he would have fought for the starting position. I believe he could have started...maybe. 

tOSU

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brutusbuckeye95's picture

Anyone seen QB1 on Netflix, Season 1 had Tate, Season 2 has Justin... Time will tell, but I think we chose wisely.  Justin seems to be a lot more like Haskins in personality and leadership style. Then again, who knows how realistic the "reality show" was on either of them.

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NutsfortheShoe's picture

I don't think there is much to worry about here. Day has a guy that he recruited at QB, so he must feel somewhat comfortable with him there. Plus with all the other supporting roles being on the upside, a low A high B QB could do the trick. 

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Buckeye_bob's picture

I doubt Tate starts  at Miami, really who wants a 5' 8" qb who runs the Zone read horribly?

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