He will forever be Tathan because he is a ridiculous primadona and I think that name fits his character.
man, to talk that much horse shit about beating out fields and then tuck his tail and run... I usually think each kid needs to do what’s right for them but this just comes off as pathetic
also, does the hardship waiver qualify for someone whose balls just shriveled up and he figured out he can’t hack it?
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
No he wants to play and it appears he will not do that at Ohio State. And he will play next year. All he has to do is say someone on the baseball team called him a name. Let’s say “honkey”. I wonder, does there even have to be a witness?
"There are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad" - the Curse of Woody Hayes
This might be the worst attempt at humor/dumbest post I have read on here. First (and I am a white male, but also a student of history), the N-word and "honkey" are not one and the same so lets clear up that confusion for you. Second, in regards to the situation at Georgia, there was evidence so that comparison is moot. Last, the use of the word in a state where people of color still are not considered equal in the eyes of many is a pretty big deal for a kid who wants to get his education and play football. I highly doubt that Tathan experienced any such racism throughout his life in suburban California or private, elite school in Las Vegas.
Now, onto football... Tate will not play next year. Bringing in Fields is no different than Haskins deciding to return for another 2 years. I was rooting for Tate to be honest because I liked that his teammates had his back and supported him, but not being as good as the guy in front of you is not a "hardship". It is competition. He is clearly either running from it, or Day/the new guy told him he should not expect to start. This along with the fact that his former head coach and his former teammate that he shared the QB room with for 2 years seemed to be casting him aside as they welcomed Justin Fields probably rubbed him the wrong way. That is the one thing that I think kind of sucks for him. Other than that, I hope he goes somewhere that he gets a chance to play. If he goes to the U, maybe he can room with his hs friend Bubba Bolden. Crazy to see 3 guys who led Gorman to 3 nattys in 3 years all having issues in college and having to transfer.
Having not watched a second of Georgia football I have to ask is Fields the only black athlete on the team? If not, why the hell was he singled out he wasn't even the starter? The whole situation seems strange. Obviously it happened, but why?
Exactly, why a backup right? Not really a question that can be answered. Who knows why he got drunk and decided to be racist in a public setting to a fellow student athlete. Lots of factors play into that and I am sure that alcohol and childhood environment are at the top of the list.
Exactly, why a backup right?
The fan in question was yelling for Fields to be put in the game and screamed "Put that N- in" repeatedly from the student section
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
The guy who said it actually apologized to Fields and was dismissed from the baseball team. The guy was All-SEC, not some end of the bench player.
There may be genuine questions about how fearful Fields was and whether that’s worthy of a waiver. But the event happened and the words were aimed at him. Let’s leave it there.
In response to you MD, and in no way defending Spider, how do you know the current Buckeyes had his back? I try to stay pretty tuned in, and I didnt see any defense of Tate, especially once the tweeting and interviews started. My (total) guess is that Tate rubbed people the wrong way. I know his comments rubbed people the wrong way, and now that he's doing EXACTLY what he said he wouldn't do, people feel justified in calling him out for it. I won't name call him or bash him, but I think he's going to look back at his last 2 weeks here and regret some of his decisions. At the time he made the comments some people liked them and said "what is he supposed to say when asked those questions?". Maybe this should be a lesson in humility for everyone.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
Good question, and you are right in terms of no word lately. I read multiple times this fall in reports that guys were impressed with his willingness to do the dirty work and bust his ass in practice to help prepare for the game when he could be starting elsewhere etc. I think that they saw him as a guy who really loved his teammates and sacrificed for them. The tweeting and declaring he would win the job in order to deter Fields from coming in looked insane though.
The difference here is one of attitude. Burrow showed how to compete with class and leave with it intact.
Tate (and from what I see with his family) seemed to think he was entitled to something, anything at least because of his previous time here. That doesn’t work for me, nor should it work for anyone.
Martell trash talked over Twitter non-stop from the minute Fields even appeared in our radar, something Burrow refrained from doing. Burrow welcomed competition but didn’t proclaim his superiority, something Tate clearly was unwilling to follow the example of.
Maybe Martell is used to always being big man on campus. He was the the Gatorade player of the year, won repeated state championships, but I wonder how much real challenge and adversity he’s faced thus far. It appears the moment he was doubted he quit. I’m sorry that he chose this course of action because I had high hopes for him.
I hope he grows up someday and realizes how he could have done things differently, because his exodus from Ohio State was the best example of how not to leave I’ve seen in years.
If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.
First, Go Buckeyes. Second, although the post to which you were replying was rather ridiculous, yours seemed pretentious and haughty. Don't make assumptions about the experiences of others. Until you know someone, you just don't know and come off as, well, a know-it-all.
Agreed with you up until the Georgia statement... What a pretentious and douchey thing to say.
Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"
My parents live in Georgia. I have seen it myself and have heard too many stories from them. The fact that their community and many others celebrate Confederate Independence Day is a perfect example. If stating something that is based on fact and experience is douchey and pretentious then so be it. I would have made a blanket statement without having experienced it myself. Not to say all Georgians are racist... I said many which is absolutely true.
I have lived and been stationed all over the South. My personal experience and the same from my troops has been that the worst cases are up in the North. Keep your judgements to yourself before trying to mislabel a majority of good people as the very small minority.
Lol, have you been to Georgia? If you have and think racism isn’t prevelant there, well...
I guess you can never actually walk in another's shoes. But sad how say many say how they would react in a situation.
I support the original poster, if you're gonna talk the talk then you gotta walk the walk for Tater. Now, the reality is that Fields is coming here because he's stuck behind Jake Fromm at Georgia and there is one of the best pro style former QB coaches here. The incident, which no doubt happened is a convenient way to play right away. How was he able to survive the season with that trauma and actually play in some games. Substance over form my good man!
I’m not sure why the “once a buckeye, always a buckeye” mantra does not apply equally to Tate. If we’re going to “keep it classy” with regard to Bill Davis leaving, certainly Tate deserves the same respect.
Best of luck to Tate and hope he has great success wherever he lands.
Co-sign! Best of luck to Tate. Sorry it came to an end like this.
You win with people.
And so forth...
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“Once a Buckeye always a Buckeye” does apply to Tate ... unless he renounces it. I’m a little surprised by his quick social media scrub and hope it’s not a foreshadow of worse things to come. So yeah we should all keep it classy ... unless he slings any trash talk.
Great point, Cleveburg. Compare Joe Burrow's departure to Tate Matell's. Slightly different events; widely different responses; I'm guessing very different outcomes will be the result.
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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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I was going to jump in eventually, so might as well be now. I am in total agreement with this take. I don't tweet, or follow those that do, so can't comment directly on whatever he's been putting out there, but I am not going to hold self-confidence, and some degree of braggadocio, against a kid. I am surprised that he decided to leave now, but I'm guessing that there was a heart to heart with Day, who laid it all out for him. This has to be heartbreaking, to find out that something he's been looking forward to for years, isn't going to happen. The kid has been a loyal trooper for two years, so there is no reason for folks to be down on him for pursuing his dream, and as long as he doesn't lash out, there is no reason for any Buckeye-on-Buckeye trash talk. Good luck, Tate.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
The difference is, Bill Davis didn't spend every waking moment since the Rose Bowl saying he'd "beat out whomever it was Ryan Day was considering bringing in to be the next LB's coach." Tate puffed his chest out and tried to claim territory he wasn't nearly prepared to defend. If you talk a big game, you should back it up, had he said all the stuff he said and went into camp and tried to earn the starting gig I would think of it 100% differently. In fact, while he was talking all that mess, I was defending him saying he was just being a competitor. This move, to me, proves he is the opposite of that.
Agreed. As the saying goes: 'If you're gonna talk the talk, you better walk the walk.'
The classy will 'keep it classy' the rest won't.
When there is smoke there is fire, fellas. You could see this coming a mile away, even though I am surprised he didn't last more than a week into Jan.
"Don't swing and miss a second time", your words not mine.
Based on your name, you’ve been here 5 minutes, let’s cool the Tate hate. Your savior Justin has accomplished exactly the same in his college carreer as Tate. They will both have great college careers.
Some of the comments here are truly embarrassing.
Long-time listener, first-time caller.
Your comment will look dumb in a year or two.
Yours will stay grayed out by then.
Pray for potatoes with a hoe in your hand.
I will be perfectly fine enjoying one and hopefully two more years of elite quarterbacking, while some of ya'll can continue being insufferable eternal pessimists. Tathan is in the midst of throwing an epic QB temper-tantrum, publicly putting himself above the team and inevitably destroying the locker room. I hope he gets his feelings hurt reading the pro-Fields comments on here bc I can't wait long enough for this Prima donna to never step foot in the WHAC again.
Hopefully you garner the admiration and reverence you think you deserve for calling him a name. Classy...
Hopefully he garners the amount of criticism he's earned by puffing his chest and acting like a tough guy and saying he'd win the job no matter who he was competing against, and that he wasn't leaving no matter what and then he tucks tail and runs.
It's okay if you don't agree with me, but Tathan Martell is a primadonna, some players are and have great careers and are big time play makers... He has yet to prove that.
I see where he's coming from. He's a little guy and it's hard to be a little guy as a pro quarterback. Even Doug Flutie didn't light it up in the draft. And in his mind, I'm sure, Tate probably feels like he needs to state his case as soon as possible; he needs to start for a power five team next year. But I'm not sure what he gains by being, as you say, a prima donna. There's going to be teams that are going to see him as an answer the same way they did with Joe Burrows, so why burn bridges? What happens if Fields has to sit? The best team he could play for is the Buckeyes. Does he really think Auburn or West Virginia is a step up? I wish him well, but it seems to me he's not handling this in a way that helps him much.
Never place a bet on anything that can talk.
Agree, it seems like a very quick, not well-thought out very emotional decision, and probably going to prove to be the wrong one over time. Just my feeling on it.
Ryan Day has had a full year to assess Tate's attitude and personality as a fit for a leadership role at Ohio State.
As fans we see those personality traits on Twitter and the media every day and question if he has the right stuff to be the QB and leader at Ohio State. Maybe Ryan Day has seen enough in the past season and judged that Tate is mentally unfit for the role.
Do we really know that Ryan Day even wants to keep Tate? We've seen a lot of evidence so far he might not only be happy with letting him go, maybe there's a reason he wants it to happen (like locker room issues).
I cannot help but be reminded of how Meyer and Tate similarly pushed Danny Clark into an "exit stadge left" scenario.
Now, Clark was probably never going to be a starter at Ohio State, but Tate loudly pushed Clark out the door. Now, Tate had to try the shoe on for size as he loudly went (virtually) the same way as Danny Clark.
The question NOW becomes, how will the staff add depth to the QB position until the 2020 recruiting class arrives?
Where Tate is concerned, I think he had a pretty good shot at getting immediate eligibility due to a new HC who is obviously going in a different direction at QB.
Whoso would be a man, must be a non-conformist.
Wow I forgot about Clark. Good point, Clark would make for a good backup QB in Ryan Day's system.
All of Urban's sins are forgotten because he won the Natty, but when you think about it there are some sins...
He is from that stink hole down south (from my house here in west central Nevada) and was a primadonna there, too. His cry and bolt reaction is no surprise to anyone out here.
I wish Tathan the best but I can't help but feel this is short sighted. He should be set to graduate this fall and would be able to transfer and start day 1 rather than sitting out for the year. Seemingly he's all but officially gone so that doesn't mean much anymore but it's guaranteed he'll play more being a #2 than on the sidelines of home games wearing shorts elsewhere.
"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI
And he could be the next Cardale Jones ready to come in and win the NC if something were to happen to Fields and Baldwin
Whoa whoa whoa...
There is no comparison to the Iron King.
Small Tathan fact, he committed to U of Washington as a verbal commit when he was 14 years old to Steve Sarkisian. His family was living in San Diego at the time
He would later be committed to Texas A&M
Both he and Tyjon Lyndsay had been HS teammates in SD and in fact the Martell's had legal guardianship of Lyndsay
They both transferred together to Bishop Gorman in Las Vegas and both were early commits to UW.
At the start of his junior year of HS he listed the following as his top 5, Alabama, Michigan, Texas A&M, USC and Washington
He technically left Gorman after his SR year of football as the school woudn't allow him to graduate early so he is technically a graduate of Desert Pines HS attending the school for only a month
BBQ, this is exactly right. I wish he would stay and compete and possibly be the best QB option. If he wasn’t, then sadly there’s always a really good chance that he would be needed if an injury occurred. Who knows that they wouldn’t have split playing time even if Fields won the job with Martell coming in as a change of pace for a series or in mop up. Has he stayed one more year, he could grad trasnfer out and start right away. Leaving as is, he will likely have to waste a year sitting with no guarantees that he will be the man elsewhere.
He should be set to graduate this fall and would be able to transfer and start day 1 rather than sitting out for the year.
He should? He would have only been here two years at that point.
3 years. 17, 18, 19.
There was never going to be a qb battle. Tate doesn't have a battle spirit in him. He's a ish talker.
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Seems Day wouldn't guarantee him the starting job like he demanded so he is taking his ball and going elsewhere. That is it. Some have said "They must have guaranteed Fields would be the starter." Instead Tate's own words were that he guaranteed he would be the starter over Fields. When Day would not say the same and that he would have to work for it, he most likely pouted, stomped his feet and this is the tantrum. The QB1 Netflix series was a precursor to this. This is OSU. There are no guarantees anyone will play.
taking his ball
holding his breath, and stomping his feet.
"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody
Read elsewhere the family is super pissed about this situation. They must actually feel he is entitled to be the starter!? Hard to fathom. Joe Burrow is one classy fellow. Love ya Joe.
Martell is, was, and always will be a primadonna. Why do you think he was recruited by Bishop Gorman? No one plays at BG unless they are recruited. It is a private Catholic school that has a nation-wide recruiting base. When Coach Meyer went after him I knew it would not last. He is not a Big Ten caliber QB: to short, not enough arm strength, and defenses know, with him in the game, all you need to do is go after him. He won't throw the ball much because he wants the spot light on himself. Just ask any of his former BG teammates.
I think that Martell wanted Tate to be named the "front-runner" in the QB battle...meaning it was his job to lose in the Spring.
The QB1 Netflix series was a precursor to this.
No doubt. I didn't like him after watching the series, but I moved past it because he is a Buckeye. From the outside, it appears he's still the same person, but he's also still a Buckeye. I'll root for him any time he's not playing against Ohio State (or if he's undefeated late in the season and we need his team to take an L)... and I hope he has a great couple of seasons and that he's a two-time finalist for the Heisman so he can be there in New York to watch Fields raise the trophy... both times.
He is also just a kid BiggHoww. I know how I would feel if I were in that position. I don't think we can expect him to like it. It hurts when someone steps on your dick. I wish he would stay and tough it out. The kid wants to play, and that seems to be his priority. Good luck Tate.
m GO BLOW!!!
I am actually sorry to see Martell leave. I think that he is an incredible talent, but it looks like his attitude may need some work.
Remember: this is a guy who was committed to Washington, then Texas A&M, ultimately signed with Ohio State, and is now looking to leave Ohio State.
Playing internet sleuth, the only actor I can think of named Tate is Tate Donovan. Tate Martell was born on January 26, 1998. Back up three months and that’s October 1997. The movie Tate Donovan was in at that time was as the voice of the hero in the Disney animated movie Hercules. I can’t help but wonder if that’s the movie Tafi Martell saw when she fell in love with the name Tate? In which case, we need to give his folks credit: coming from a ringside announcer, “Tat-han Mar-tell!” sounds a lot less obnoxious than “Her-cu-les Mar-tell!”
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
This is going to seem cruel but it’s real - wasn’t there a movie called Little Man Tate? That’s what I thought of...it’s just unfortunate.
Let’s not pretend that Tate is somehow unique in his indecsision on where to attend college. Our new savior once committed to PSU, decommited, committed to UGA, transferee, and is no at OSU.
soemtimes things just don’t work out as planned and these kids have to make tough decisions.
PSU<UGA<tOSU<NFL = Buckeye all-american
WASH<A&M<tOSU>WVU>UNLV = game over
= game over
You should quit while you're behind.
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
He is not ahead...he is a "behind"....
If I am a "behind", what is Tate Martell? My feelings are not hurt from being grayed out. Why do some of you have such a big problem with Fields being an All-American and Tate flaming out? I have no idea how anyone could still be a Tate Martell fan at this point.
I don't think most would disagree with what you
were saying, its just that initial post no one knew what you were saying. Sense>not sense. :)
(There are other people than actors on movie credits)
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A few Billion other people on Super hero movie credits
The Washington thing was when he was in 8th grade, probably his first offer. I don't hold a middle schooler responsible for rash decisions as it goes with the territory. In the second case, a Buckeye offer coming in will change a lot of kids minds. We depend on that. And besides, it was TAMU which, if you will recall back then, was not quite a dumpster fire, but definitely meh.
Every student should be able to transfer with no penalty if a head coach changes. I'm sure it was a dream for Tate to play in Urban's system when he committed. But now it's Ryan Day's system and Tate isn't a fit for it. That's not his fault, and he should be allowed to go somewhere that's a fit for him just like Ryan found a QB that was a fit for us.
I have no problem with him transferring, I have a problem with the example he set in how he transferred.
"Now what the hell are we going to talk about?"
Aka: Skully-Mystro Kevin.
*Hint: Anything at all to truck @ #ichigan.
All. Off. Season. Long.
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I wonder if he was told by Day and Yurcich that they were going in a qb direction that didn’t include him
The coaches would nor do that, or at least say that. Funny thing is, Fields have his waiver yet. Tathan left because he got his feelings hurt.
About a week before it happened, we heard whispers of Fields transferring. Then we heard whispers of the likelihood of his eligibility. Now Tate is gone.
It appears that what were whispers to us, were cold hard facts. I have a hard time believing that Tate is leaving because Justin Fields “might” be eligible, unless he knows from the past two years experience with his qB coach, who is now the head coach, that he isn’t going to start, and that the only reason he saw the field was because of the old coach who recruited him for his style of play.
unless he knows from the past two years experience with his qB coach, who is now the head coach, that he isn’t going to start, and that the only reason he saw the field was because of the old coach who recruited him for his style of play.
This, I buy. But Fields is not eligible yet, and that’s a fact. And this is the NCAA, so hard to tell if it will go through or not. His little Twitter habits have a “Tit for tat, I’ll show you” feel to them. He doesn’t like that we brought Fields in, and is having an ultimate emotional reaction to it.
Let's face it, Martell almost left last summer when he was number two behind Haskins. If Haskins had stayed, most people expected Martell to leave. With Fields transferring, no one should be shocked about this. And after all the Twitter bluster, Martell shouldn't be surprised about the negative reaction from many.
A negative reaction is one thing but some on here are taking it too far. It's a game and they are taking too damn personal. Tate's height makes him a long shot best to make a NFL roster so his remaining years in college very well could be his last playing football. He is making the best decision on his best chance to see the field. I'm disappointed with some of his tweets but we DON"T know all the facts of what Day has said to him. Urban said he was fighting for playing time for him last fall so I'm guessing Day doesn't see his usefulness. I say let him go in peace and wish him well.
Well yeah, some people are taking it too far. But the kid also tagged his soon-to-be head coach and then QBs coach in a clip of a mediocre pass TD in practice saying: "Holy shit, I can throw too."
Now for one second imagine Jim Tressel's reaction to that had he been his coach. What kind of arrogance and immaturity does that show?
Kitties aren't supposed to smell like cigarettes, they're supposed to smell like kitties.
That whole first paragraph is a lie.
The tweet said “Holy shit, I can throw too, Guys!
Also, Coach Day bringing the juice!”
Didnt tag him. Also, bringing the juice could mean the play he called, or the music that was blaring out the speakers
One more thing. I love how you called it a mediocre TD pass. Bet if he wasn’t transferring you wouldn’t call it that. Pray he doesn’t meet us in the playoff, the Tate Martell Revenge Game wouldn’t be fun to watch.
"Go out there, make plays, they'll remember your name forever. FOREVER!" - J.T. Barrett
It was a mediocre pass on a simple out route. It was not a highlight. If you wish to embed the video then do so. The fact that he included an expletive in mentioning his soon to be head coach was more of my point. Do you want your starting QB saying "holy shit" in tweets that involve a first year HC?
No. You don't.
It's classless and reeks of desperation for attention.
I was wondering the exact same thing
" we play to win the game "
Classic case of someone (Tate) running their mouth and either being scared of competition, being butt hurt that Fields transferred to Ohio State, or can’t handle adversity, or all the above. Dude went on and on about how he would win the starting role and how he wasn’t transferring. Not a good look for him.
Suspect the one who is most butt hurt is daddy.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Again, how do you know that Ryan Day didn't lay it all of for Martell, telling him that Fields will be his guy moving forward and that it would be in Tate's best interest to transfer, despite that not being in OSU's best interest? I know, a college football coach actually truth telling is hard to believe, but we simply do not know what was told to Martell since the arrival of Fields. A kid who is on track to graduate in May, per the Dispatch, after being here for only two years might be lots of things, but stupid clearly isn't one of them, so it's very hard for me to believe that Martell talked his bold talk and then did a 180 and left. It's much more plausible that Day was brutally honest with the kid and the writing, all of a sudden, appeared on the wall. What's he supposed to do at that point?
As for Tom Mars, it's a good thing for Martell that Tom isn't the only swinging dick with a juris doctorate in America.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Because Day would never risk losing the needed depth. It would be shocking to find out if that's what happend.
Your doing it wrong. Your supposed to jump to conclusions and assume the worst, that's how it's done on the intrawebs.
This may just be me but I have a hard time believing a Coach who came in and got rid of our entire defensive staff in 2 weeks guarantees the starting QB spot to someone who has not even practiced yet
If Day doesn't yet know the NCAA's decision on Justin, why in the world would he tell Tate that Fields is his guy? Doesn't make sense.
Maybe Day told him he didn't fit the offense. Maybe he told him that Baldwin and Fields had a better chance to win the job cause they fit better. We will never know, so let's not shit on people when we aren't in their shoes.
Maybe Ryan Day and Gene Smith know a bit more about the likelihood that Fields will play than the rest of us. I don't know what happened, I'm just guessing. I'm betting, though, that Ryan Day is not guessing, and his decisions are based on information the rest of us simply don't yet know. I'm also betting that Day let Martell know that he (Tate) would be up against it with Fields, and maybe even Baldwin, as both of those quarterbacks are different from Martell, and both might be better fits for Day's offense than Tate would be. Day has seen Martell for two years now... up close and personal... and if he thought Tate Martell had a genuine chance to be his quarterback next season then I just don't believe Martell would be in the portal. None of that means you aren't right... maybe Day knows nothing more about Fields' eligibility than you do... but I think he does, and I think he already knows, barring injury, who he'll ride with in 2019.
I can see some version of this happening because I get the impression that Day is not a “BS” guy. He’s not mean but he’s honest.
When Tate said “wait until we put the read-option back in the offense” Day hires Yurcich and then probably told Tate... this guy is coordinating the passing game. We aren’t gonna be running much read option. You can stay and compete and could win it, but that’s the direction we are going on offense.
Another good, logically thought-out post from you, kmp. Thumbs up!
First, is it true he is on track to graduate in TWO YEARS? If so, that is mighty impressive. Second, if that is true, why transfer now? Why not go through spring practice, graduate, and then if you don't win the job (or don't think you are going to win the job), transfer, ala Burrow? That way you know where you stand in the QB completion and you can grad transfer without the need for a waiver or anything.
I realize that caoches can come and go, but if I’m honest, I don’t like they way things are trending with the transfers and associated waivers. Now Johnny who thinks he should be starting can just transfer on a whim. Yes, I know, do right by the student athlete. But these kids have years, multiple visits, and a plethora of information to make these decisions. And they decide to commit to a school or program, not a single coach. Anyone that does is not getting good advice. And for those of you that disagree, just wait until this burns us. We’re really close. Fields doesn’t get his waiver, or gets hurt, we are down to Baldwin, a graduate transfer and a couple of walk ons. You will change your tune then.
Of course, a downvote on a differing opinion from some idiot.
I got you.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
Why so obsessed with DVs?
No one will change their tune. It's only fair to let them transfer. If coaches can come and go, break contracts, etc. The "kids" should be able to too. Having years and visits, blah blah blah is not an excuse for them to not transfer. During visits it's for games, big events, etc. For OV's you're getting wined and dined and getting whatever you want the whole time you're on campus. It's a different world when you live somewhere and you're not getting smoke blown up your ass.
Personally, I don't agree with kids having to sit out on their first transfer. Everyone makes a mistake, people change, etc. Whether it "burns us" or not, it's still the kids choice to transfer and that's how it should be.
I agree they should loosen transfer restrictions. If you take a job and find yourself unhappy, you are free to find another. If a kid finds himself in a bad place on a college football team, and the clock is ticking to build his resume for the next level, he should be able to go where he can do that. (While we have this system where NCAA FB is the NFL’s minor league.) Also what if players are at a program where the players are treated badly, by the coach, the University, other students, the fans? They should be able to leave and pursue their academic and other dreams elsewhere.
I think they should let players transfer one time by the end of their sophomore year. But only one time. I can see where a player may get lied to or he just realizes that the school just isn't for him. As far as being burned by it as Buckeye fans, I can live with it because I feel like we will benefit from it way more than we lose. Still, if it ends up 50/50, I'm still okay with it.
I think they should let players transfer one time by the end of their sophomore year. But only one time.
This sounds very reasonable.
I don’t see that ever happening. Can you imagine the game of musical chairs that would result from that rule? The attrition could gut some schools’ rosters with literally hundreds of “free agents” on the move at the same time. Not to mention that it would create a whole new recruiting process and window. Roster management would be a nightmare—“we need to find 10 because we’re losing 10...who can we get? Who’s out there? Can we get them here? Why are they leaving? Are they even interested in us? Who are we competing with to get this guy? Ugh!”
Iowa, that’s basically why I’m saying I don’t like it the way it’s trending. These waivers are getting easier and easier. Why did Antonio Willams get one? Someone sick in his family? Jack Wohlabaugh? He’s from OH. Does sitting behind 3 all Americans that we move to center count for a good enough reason? All this movement causes more strain on the recruting process, and ultimately on other kids because the small minority of kids aren’t happy with nor starting.
Very true. And I can see recruiting being like “hey, why don’t you go to play at “XYZ” school for a year and then transfer in? We’ll have an open spot by then.”
Class of 2001 - classless since then.
Group of 5 schools could become like the minor leagues for the top P5 schools.
But if there’s a kid who was a late bloomer, why shouldn’t he get a shot at the NCAA FB big league? I think the benefits to the student athletes outweigh the difficulties for the Universities and their coaching staffs.
I'm not saying it's good or bad, just that things could move in that direction. There are pluses and minutes.
Two schools could work in tandem - running the same schemes on offense and defense. Recruits who the top school has an interest in, but who need development, could be directed to the "minor league" school with the message that if they win a starting position and ball out in their first two years there, there will be a roster spot for you at the big school in the third year.
Meanwhile, a player who actually enrolls from day one but finds himself buried can transfer to the "minor league" school to get playing time, either after 2 years or eventually as a grad transfer.
Pairing of schools can take academics into account, so that progress toward a degree isn't hampered by a transfer.
The teams could do joint recruitment and camps. There could even be a career path between the coaching staffs - a highly thought of grad assistant at the big school might get this first real coaching job at the minor league school, and eventually be brought back if he proves himself.
The benefits to the top school are obvious (to me at least)., but the "minor league" school could benefit as well by getting higher-rated players than they otherwise could, even if the best of them are only there for two years.
Is this be a good thing for college football? To some, this might be a perversion of what it's always been. To others, it's an evolution to benefit players, and at least some of the programs. I'm sure that, under such a system, Alabama with Saban would effectively be getting classes of 35 or more players every year, and maybe Ohio State would as well
I agree with you on the “new” transfer rule, ii.e. someone called you a bad name, therefore you can transfer and play immediately. Deal with it.The NCAA has opened a can of worms.
On Tate wanting to play, I have no problem with. But I don’t think he should be eligible to play next year. This is going to be the wild west with transfers. If you don’t have to sit out a year. I do however like the transfer rule for graduates. If you can graduate in three years you should be able to go anywhere you want. IMHO.
I understand your position but everyone else also gets the same visit and information opportunities to make their decisions yet they get to up and leave when they want. Yes, there are contracts and usually a buyout but no one is technically asking them to return anything and normally the school they are going to helps with the buyout. As a fan we want it both ways - let us bring in whomever without penalty but make it hard for someone to leave when we do have them. The players should not be treated as indentured servants.
Knarcisi - I believe the NCAA is going to move to allow student athletes one transfer without sitting out for any reason in the near future. Are we going to get stung by one or more of those, absolutely! As you said, it's becoming more normal, even without that rule change. It's a new Day in more ways than one.
ONE Not Done!
Mornin’ TMac. Yes, as I stated in a post above, I’d be agreeable to a one time transfer allowance.
I think some terms need to be put in place in order to ensure this isn’t widespread and these aren’t just flippant decisions. For example, after year 2 only. This way you don’t have kids throwing in the towel in Year 1 and taking a redshirt. They may redshirt anyway, but this ensures a larger sampling in year 2 for them to adjust and get a better feel. Also, I hate putting numbers on things, but maybe the NCAA sets an annual limit. You can reapply your 3rd year and possibly the older applicants get some precedent. Maybe make a minimum GPA requirement to ensure that these kids are serious about school. Just brainstorming, but there need to be some requirements.
And this obviously requires that the NCAA completely reset the recruting calendar. Schools and recruits need time for these transfers to settle and to have time to make a good decision.
Some requirements are in order! I just saw an article about a QB commit for Houston who signed just weeks ago, but now he's not going to enroll and go elsewhere because of the coaching change.
I have no issue with that. I signed a contract to work for a company becuase of the director I interviewed with. They didn’t andnhendidnt tell me he was retiring until my second week on the job. I gave them my two weeks notice. He was the person I wanted to learn from and why I turned down other jobs.
To me it is very shady to sign kids and then have head coaches or position coaches leave right after signing day.
Fair points, Knar.
Chris Fowler (taking this at face value) had some interesting comments on it all (apologies if someone already has this somewhere): https://www.dawgnation.com/football/pandoras-box-espn-analyst-chris-fowl...
I didn't care for Martell and his social media actions the past few weeks, but hoped he would stay and grind out. That said, I welcome Fields...and sure hope this all works out - which it will.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
Nothing against Tate but I honestly think that Baldwin is a far better fit to run Day's offense. I was having panick attacks thinking about Tate starting against the B1G slate next year
Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0
Excellent point, Knar. This year's NCG was two regular season plays away from being played by two completely different teams.
Kelly Bryant's transfer from Clemson nearly broke them when Syracuse almost pulled the upset after Lawrence went out with a concussion. Tua wasn't looking good before his injury against UGA. I imagine the outcome of that game might have been different had Hurts already transferred.
It's been a New Year of dramatic changes for the Ohio State football program and they came really, really fast. Gotta think it is going to be an incredibly slow off season. Will be hard to not be anxious for the 2019 season!
Hate that Mr Martell is moving on, was also looking forward to him getting his chance to run the Buckeye team. Wish him success wherever he lands.
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
Great post. I agree. We will see what the future holds.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if that movie Tate’s mom saw was ‘Little Man Tate’?
That film was being filmed on campus my freshman year.
Yes! Has to be. The timing is about right. I was taking my official campus visit when they were filming. I got to meet Jody Foster at the Weiner Center. She was pretty cool.
But the article said the actor’s name was Tate, not the character’s. I like my theory of Tate Donovan as the voice of Hercules better—that movie came out six months before Tate Martell was born.
Does Tate Donovan still breastfeed also?
No, it says she saw the name in the credits which could be the actor or the character's name. Now, you would think that if she had just seen the movie the comment would have been about seeing it in the title or liking it from hearing it in the dialogue but at this point I am not too sure about anyone in that family.
“Saw the name”.... but Dad wanted a two syllable name...ya know, for credit’s sake.
Right. Because you watch an entire movie for two hours to wait until the credits to realize that a main character’s name—in fact, the same character the movie is named for—is Tate.
Little Man Tate was released in the late fall of 1991. That's a long time to remain in utero.
Maybe the Martell's rented Little Man Tate from Blockbuster on their anniversary or another special occasion and Tate was born 9 months later.
Don't transfer to m goblog Iowabuckeyes if folks here give more up votes to Buckshave7's theory.
If he ever threatens to steal my job as 11W’s most controversial, divisive and unapologetic poster, you know I will!
BTW, there’s at least one unsaid joke about Jodie Foster and the Weiner Center.
You know I just realized that my wonderful Iphone changed Wexner to 'Weiner'. I honestly have no idea why.
True Story though, I walked up to a few folks that were filming Little Man Tate on campus (nice sunny warm day) and I said to a group of 4 of them smoking, hey are you the guys making the movie. And I kid you not, the person who looked up and smiled and said Yes was Jodi Foster.
The rearranging and deleting of Tate's Twitter started earlier this week. A commenter in these here forums pointed out there was a new bad form tweet from Tathan, which had already been deleted by the time I went to look at it. So was the infamous "don't swing and miss" tweet, as well as a few others. At the time, I figured he either came to his own senses or was told that he needed to dial it back by someone on the coaching staff. Little did I know he was already planning his exit strategy. I'm not going to sling arrows, but all of the bravado was a bad look, and it appears he now knows it.
Bravado didn’t bother me, honestly. Felt like he would back that up on the field. People’s personalities are different and I get that some didn’t jive with Tate’s. I understood it and accepted that’s who he is. He’s been here two plus years and is incredibly talented. It became problematic when he dissed Fields, though. That wasn’t a good look but moreso it signified to me that something bigger was happening in him.
That’s just so today. Forget about going out and doing something, let your Twitter do the talking.
Hockey player jeans is the critical life issue we've been ignoring for years.
Wouldn't it just figure that Tebow would end up with a Miss Universe?
Not until the wedding night, Tim is saving himself.
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
QB keeper or jump pass?
Up to now, he has been using the hidden ball play.
Sometimes waiting pays off.
I didn't realize at the time that trying to put it wherever I could when I was younger was a bad idea, but I guess my ex-wife and Tebow's fiancee are proof of that.
Watch the Bachelor: 27 year old former NFL linebacker and virgin gets to choose from 25 women, most of whom are younger than he is. New season started Monday. I bet a lot of Buckeye fans watched that instead of the NCG (not that they’ll admit it).
Imagine being a virgin your entire life and losing your v-card to a freakin’ Miss Universe. Cheers to you, Tebow.
attempting to be an adult
You have to think that Day knew that this would be Tate’s reaction. He has to have a backup plan to get more depth.
Day = Jedi Master. Only explanation.
Correct sentence construction learn you must.
Only explanation Jedi Master, Ryan Day is.
I've known Tate Martell's birth name was "Tathan" for months
Well, his name is not an issue for me. While this scenario is unfolding and not looking too nice, if he plays somewhere I would like to watch him twist some ankles.
But some folks even believe that he – not Dwayne Haskins – should be the No. 1 quarterback taken this spring.
I enjoyed watching him play too. But in no way is he a better choice than Haskins for the NFL. And since so many NFL franchise are grossly incompetent, he could go before Haskins.
Well, his name is not an issue for me.
yeah, but it’s funny now.
For some reason I can’t figure out how to post a tweet here ... but Kyle Lamb yesterday likened finding out Martell’s first name was Tathan to finding out that Kramer’s first was Cosmo. LOL
I almost forgot, I need to remind everyone that Michigan still sucks.
Tathan(Washington, Texas A & M, OSU, ??)meet Dwan Mathis(Iowa State, MSU, OSU, Georgia)
And Justin Fields (Penn State, Georgia, Ohio State)
How did James Franklin lose Fields? Could have been Fields now starting at PSU w McSorley gone). This kids footage is unbelievable and we have him for 3 full seasons!
The other day I was talking with a friend about the QB situation and I said that Tathan has a ton of talent, and he's a little guy with a big personality. This situation with Fields coming in is about to reveal if he is more like Johnny or more like Baker. Baker has the dog in him. Entering the portal is one thing. I get it, you want to see what your options are. But this little twitter tantrum is just childish. I'm seeing a lot of Johnny in him right now and not a lot of Baker. And if thats who he is, I'm not upset to see him go.
Michibuck, I always meant to ask you - if it’s not too personal, what does the “X” mean on your posting icon ?
I believe I know but I’ll defer to Michibuck to tell you. It’s his avatar, which means explaining it is his rice bowl.
Its supposed to be a ribbon to show support for cancer. That has been my avatar for a very long time and I am just now realizing that its a poorly cropped photo that looks like an X.
“It’s his rice bowl” is a line from The Sand Pebbles spoken by actor Simon Oakland to Steve McQueen. Both died of cancer.
It looks like a Xavier emblem.
Good Guy Tate Martell makes it easy for OSU fans to not miss him.
You hit the nail on the head.
And lets be honest, based on how Tate has handled this whole thing, he thinks he can be our offensive leader on and off the field?
I hear you. But let's not pretend that buckeye fans the second they heard rumors that Fields was transferring didn't start shitting on Tate. Fields may be great, Tate may be great we really don't know.
It's a good thing that there are so many people who have never said any thing they later regret, sent an email or letter they later regret or made a career choice they later regret. This way when they point out the faults in someone else it doesn't come across as judgmental in the slightest, even if that person is very young and is someone who has possibly seen their dreams (like being the starting QB on an Urban Meyer led OSU squad) take a huge hit. It also doesn't seem petty at all that they would choose to make light of the name given to them by their parents. He probably should have just done the mature thing and went to his parents and told them he was going to change his name to be more acceptable to everyone and then everyone would think he was cool. That's probably what he should have done, yeah.
Knowing ignorance is strength; ignoring knowledge is sickness - Lao Tzu
Stop it. These guys love the spotlight, love being big man on campus, and love that their Twitter is of national interest. They can't have it both ways. If you want the love and praise, you've also got to be ready to take the criticism, too. Stop excusing a 20 year old nationally running his mouth and then throwing a tantrum and running a week later. He is 20, not 5.
I have done many of those things you listed. I just didn’t use social media as my platform nor are there thousands of people who pay attention or care what I think. Once I’ve said or written something hurtful or incendiary or regrettable, I haven’t had the option to retract those words the way people have the option to delete tweets as if they never existed, which is just another pussy move. It’s like when someone says something that you didn’t hear so you ask them to say it again and they say never mind or forget it. If you were willing to say it once, have the courage to say it again and then stand behind it. Life doesn’t come with a rewind button.
Discretion has always been the better part of valor. Tate would be wise to learn that. Age and experience are usually great teachers.
Pretty much this. Of course I've done and said some stupid shit that I wished I hadn't. But I didn't have thousands of people paying attention. I also realized over a decade ago that posting every thought that pops into my head on social media is a terrible idea. I think we would all understand Tate's desire to explore his options given the circumstances had he not ran his mouth and acting like a tough guy.
I find it pretty disgusting that so many people are making fun of a name.
When my wife and I named our kids we spoke a blessing over their lives in Hebrew.
When we announced the birth on social media a friend of a relative piped up and said we should be ashamed of ourselves for the strange name.
It means something to us and if our kid decides they want to go by a different name in the work force...well there is a reason some applications ask if you have an alias name.
It is a name. It has meaning to those who have it.
Find another reason to drop your two pennies. There are plenty out there.
Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.
He asked if I had an alias. I said yeah....they call me Tater Salad.
It might have been a nice story when Ohio St. was recruiting Tate and everyone and their mother were giddy as all get out when he ended up choosing the Buckeyes about the origins of his name. Now to mock him and his name because he is opting to leave is just incredible. If you are so upset about him leaving you should also be against transferring by any player. Wish him the best and hope it works out for both parties. Go Bucks!!!
I guess I don’t know why anyone thinks Tathan is a crazy name or mock-worthy.
We live in a time where parents are choosing alternate spellings and names from other cultures or last names as first names etc. it’s a diverse society and the Internet has fully opened/exposed the world to new perspectives.
Tathan is just like the rest of the names I see out there now.
To be clear, I'm not making fun of his name. It's a totally fine name. I just realized that the vast, vast majority of people didn't know that was his name and I thought it was relatively common knowledge. So I linked the article talking about where it came from.
I didn't think you were mocking Tate, Kevin. His given name is newsworthy. It's a surprise we didn't know. But man, some people are piling on this kid and using his name against him. That's not right.
I think a good portion of the hate for Tate is the frustration people had with our last "running QB" and the fear that the offense would go back to that. Though, Tate is a better passer overall than JTB. Lots of projection going on.
P.S. JTB got way more hate than he deserved for being a tremendous college QB and a great fit for Urban's offense.
I hate to see the guy go. Although he does seem to be departing with a lot more anger than Joe Burrow left with.
"Luck is my middle name. Mind you, my first name is Bad."
Hardly the same. Joe kept his mouth shut and competed. He also graduated. To the best of my knowledge, he’s never said one thing bad about his alma mater nor about his experiences when he was there.
Agreed. Will be interesting to see how many of Tate's buckeye team mates wish him well publicly. I recall all the kind sentiments Joe B got when he left. Based on the last few weeks, appearing Tate was a locker room cancer.
If Tate competed, lost, and then transferred after spring ball he probably could have had much the same following from Buckeye fans after his transfer where ever he went. It seems like every Buckeye fan was rooting for Joe and LSU as long as it didn't hurt OSU. I remember seeing a comment from a former LSU player on (network shall not be named) that his view at the beginning of the season was "no, we don't want QB that lost competition at OSU" but then he saw how good Dwayne was and that there is no shame in losing to that. If Tate lost to a supposedly generational talent in Fields and then transferred, no shame in that. Talking trash and then not squaring up against your adversary but high tailing it out, not the greatest look.
No matter what, the machine that is OSU will march on.
Burrow clearly left regretfully because he had no choice and never renounced Ohio State — thus much love from Buckeye Nation. It’s up to Tate, by his behavior and words, if he retains the love of Buckeye Nation.
World of difference between how Joe Burrow handled his situation vs. Martell and gave Buckeye Nation two teams to root for this year. I’m on the “wish him the best” train and won’t begrudge him for wanting to do what’s best for him. But...he could have handled it differently and had two fan bases behind him. As a parent myself, I don’t understand how people can be so cruel to mock a kid for his given name. Shameful.
Yeah, Joe B graduated, He came, competed and got his degree, what more could you ask of him?
it's a given they suck and always will
So a study has determined that "affective presence" is a thing, but they admit they have no idea what causes this concept. Quite the article when all is said and done for its lack of much of anything.
Does Tate have affective presence? Apparently not at this juncture. I won't take any shots at him for leaving, as that is his decision alone. I wanted to see more of him playing since he arrived at OSU, and that didn't happen so I guess I can see his thought process. But I cannot see any way that he is eligible to play immediately-there is nothing in this situation that trends that way. Maybe he is pissed that Fields is coming in and figures that he can mess with Ohio State by leaving now, so he won't be available to play if Fields doesn't get his waiver? He could stay and maybe get to play next year, but even then he would likely be passed by Fields from the way things look. So leave now and OSU needs to replace him and possibly Fields both at one time.
"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen. I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie
Thats what doesn't make sense to me. If Tate stays, works his ass off to graduate, he would still get to play this year. Even if he's a back up to Fields, he would get some playing time. He would still get to be a valuable part of the team. Then he can grad transfer and play right away somewhere else. If he leaves now, its unlikely he will play at all this year. Why not play a little by staying? And then he can go out with the Joe Burrow treatment. The way he's going about it just seems like an emotional overreaction that will ultimately hurt nobody but himself.
Yup, play some if Fields shows up and is granted eligibility. If Justin doesn’t get his waiver it is your team for at least a season. Have a tremendous year and maybe you stay the man even when Fields is available. Really seems like a short-sighted decision on Tate’s part, but we don’t know what has happened behind the scenes so there could be good reasons for his leaving.
Sorry to see Tate go. He is a talented kid. On the field that is. Social Media, not so much. Players should just stay off of that.
Fields of Dreams
There's a few QB's out there looking to transfer, maybe one will come to our QB room.....
Tate Martell, come join the party! pic.twitter.com/5tkpnrPNWO
— The Duel (@TheDuelSports) January 10, 2019
Yep, looks like we’re going to need another one.
Again, why this concerns me. We’re close to having more transfers on the roster than kids we originally recruited.
We're Ohio State not Michigan. We are supposed to build and develop. You don't win (long term) through free agency.
I don't think this is an OSU problem. I think it is the "generation" we live in of entitlement. Burrow, KennyG, and Cardale were the exception, and look how much love they still have. I don't think many Buckeyes will root for Tate like they did Burrow this year.
Except that we had a HC change. Day wants his kids whereas Hairball hasn’t been able to get his QB. I’d guess moving forward, QB recruits won’t necessarily be 5’8” dual threat aka run first kids. Day has already established a rep for QB tutelage. Should help recruiting.
This was a unique situation. JT stayed for 14 years, fuck*ng up the QB schedule. Burrow ends up transferring because he knew there was no way he could beat out the generational talent ahead of him. Said generational talent is taking his game to the NFL after only one year playing. Coach Meyer retires taking his offense with him, which Tate was recruited to play in. That's pretty much how we got here
The Kyler v Dwayne debate. Sorry, didn’t even read that part. I know my opinion doesn’t count for much, but I didn’t realize there is a debate as to who’s a better qb.
Why am I not surprised Dantonio fumbled it? Juggling his offensive staff is like the captain of the Titanic moving deck chairs around thinking it will save his ship. I haven’t checked their boards but I’m assuming these moves warranted an expressive sigh from Spartan Nation, not of relief but rather of resignation that they’re dead in the water. Just because you’re not moving that doesn’t mean you can’t get run over.
So, so glad Dantonio never got a shot to be the head coach here. It would be Tressel ball all over again, without the results.
Coaches come and go without having to pay any penalties, show loyalties to a program, or have to sit out a season - players should be equally free to transfer to another program without any penalties or having to sit out a season.
On the other hand, Tate comes off sounding like a punk for taking his trash talk to social media, then tucking his tail between his legs and beating a hasty retreat. Reminds me of those people who come across as "The Hulk" on the telephone, but act like Mickey Mouse when confronted - known as Telephone Tarzans ..... If Tate wouldn't have said a word, just entered his name in the portal, Buckeye Nation would have had more understanding of his decision. Now, it just looks bad on him .....
Nevertheless, good luck to Tate and I'll be anxious to see what success he has with another team as their starter ....
Lets just hope that Tate doesnt swing and miss!
1. Moving coaches around will not result in the pandiculation of the Spartan offense.
2. I have no idea what grounds Martell would have for a hardship waiver, but Wohlabaugh had one. I also checked to see what Masters program LSU has that OSU doesn't. Turns out they offer the equivalent of TUN's General Studies at the graduate level.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
Has anyone thought if this?
Justin fields looses his hardship waiver case somehow.
We then have Matthew Baldwin as our STARTER.
Has anyone thought of this? Mathew Baldwin was personally recruited to play here by Ryan Day at Ohio State University. I believe he was a 4-star guy. Maybe...just maybe...he’s pretty damn good.
What is Tate’s deadline though to leave us?
In your worst case example, Tate would come back to tOSU to start.
The only terrible thing about that is lack of depth. That would be frightening.
Depth is a real issue now. We only have 2 scholarship QBs (and at the moment only 1 is eligible) when ideally we would have 4.
It was reported in one OSU site that (according to people close to the family) Tate felt he had earned the first shot at the QB job ... not guaranteed starter but more of it’s his job to lose.
He was told it’s a wide open competition. While that sounds fair, Tate felt like that actually was a low-key way to give an advantage to Fields. So, Tate didn’t really believe the competition would be a fair one.
My additional theory was the offense changes are solidified with Yurcich. Tate said that when the “read-option” was put back into the offense, he would excel. I think Tate was told that for the most part, the read-option Urban Meyer preference was mostly going to be a thing of the past. Tate can throw but he’s a terrific option QB. Moving on would make sense if he felt like his skill set now put him at a disadvantage going forward.
I think Tate was told that for the most part, the read-option Urban Meyer preference was mostly going to be a thing of the past. Tate can throw but he’s a terrific option QB. Moving on would make sense if he felt like his skill set now put him at a disadvantage going forward.
This is pretty much it, in a nutshell. We've heard the concerns about Tate's limited height which would be a disadvantage in a pocket surrounded by 6'6" and 6'7" guards and tackles. My guess is Day does not want to gear his entire offense around a set of skills for one player. This is not a slam on Tate... he's a hell of an athlete and competitor... I wish him the very best and hope he lands where he's a great fit. Seems to me it's more of an issue about the style of offense Day wants, which is likely why he didn't promise anything to Tate, other than 'the best guy gets the job.'
Guess I'll serve my opinion on Martell as well.
Sure it's easy to sit here and say this and that, but I'm not sure what I'd do if I were in his cleats.
Good luck either way, 18.
I probably wouldn't have fired off those stupid tweets. That's the only reason for this backlash.
Two years learning to run the offense doesn't mean much when the offense changes. Did he really believe that Day was sticking to Urban's offense? Hope he enjoys learning another new offense. Just hope he's not stealing a job from another "deserving" player.
When I read the words "Jim Bollman" " offensive line" and "expertise" all in the same tweet, I nearly spit out my breakfast.
But Haskins is a damn prototype
I agree with this but I think that prototype is changing
The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick
Didn't our last "prototype" QB decommit and sign with Kentucky?
I am referring to the prototypical NFL quarterback and not the Ohio State prototype quarterback. The Buckeyes have been very successful over the last two decades with several types of players taking the snap. I think the NFL will continue to see a change from the prototypical pocket passer to players who can also hurt you when they leave the pocket. Haskins' numbers were great all year but our offense thrived later in the year when he ran the ball with purpose.
Tate is probably leaving for a few difference reason, but Buckeye Nation didn't help. Tate in a interview saying (and I am paraphrasing) "I don't know why everyone is saying I can't throw- guys I can throw". He heard the shit talk and why play for a fan base that instantly jump ship when the hype surrounding Field transferring to OSU was looking like a real possibility.
JT got that same criticism repeatedly. Of course he was the starter.
oh Tate can throw, just like you and I can throw, but in the game he went 10-10 passing 2 of his passes of less then 30 yards were under thrown....2 more passes on slant routes behind the receiver. He is a smaller JT, we need a passing qb not a running qb
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
Anyone else upset that Kethin withheld the name info from us?
Could have gotten three syllables with Tathaniel. #MissedOpportunity
He prolly thought it too ostentatious.
I don't know to me I think he was intent on trying beating Fields out and his family or people talked him into leaving. I know he's young too so I could certainly could be wrong but you talk that much trash you damn well try back it up. I have defended Fields on multiple boards and Ill defend Tate. I know your suspose to sign up to play for the University but in reality that's not the case. Tate signed to play for Urban and Day under Urban leadership. I wish Tate the best and hope him and his family finds the college answer he's looking for. He's always be a Buckeye unless he trashes the University.
He had me convinced that he was ready for a battle with any QB that came here, but I guess he was just a little man with a big Twitter finger. Actually was excited to see him throw the ball this spring to see if he had what it took. Oh well. Word of advice, stop Twitter immediately. Good luck to Tate and Go Bucks!!!
I hate to change the subject from the Tathan discussion but I finally figured out why our DBs played so poorly this season.
According to the ICYMI segment...Taver Johnson was really coaching our WRs!!!
Tate breaking up with Ohio State middle School style when the social media profile info change. Seems fitting I suppose. He certainly showed the maturity of a grade schooler the last two weeks.
I wouldn't have been mad at him one bit if he decided to transfer had he not thrown that little Twitter tantrum before fields was officially a buckeye. All that talk about how he's not scared of anyone else and he's the best QB and he's gonna win the starting spot and no way he transfers...
Talk is cheap Tathan. And your talk is even cheaper than most.
*Shrug*. I guess Tater's really gonna Tate.
"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"
Haskins to NYG
Murray to Jacksonville
Martell to Oklahoma
Wimbush to WV
Hurts to Miami
Fields starts for OSU this upcoming season
Martell would have to compete against Spencer Rattler next year, it is obvious he doesn't want to compete, he just wants everything given to gim
Why is Tate "scared to compete", yet, Fields is leaving because he can't compete with Fromm, but no one says he is "scared to compete"? We don't have all the facts and I am not real proud of the 11w contributors and the way we are trashing Tate...even as low as making fun of his name!
\We are OSU and we are better than this!
This situation surely is strange.
I feel like the immediately embrace of Fields and the rejection of Tate is deeply rooted in the “passing QB” verses “option QB” debate.
People are tried of Urban’s old offense and I think that frustration is being projected.
Have no idea why people are making fun of Tate’s name. It’s unique, yes, but it’s just one letter off from Nathan/Nate.
It does have alot to do with having a passing qb. Look what happened with Dwayne, we put up 62 points on TTUN. Now compare to JT much better runner, worse arm. Those games were way to close.
Tate has the same type of game as JT, he under throws long balls and isn't accurate on crossing and dig routes.
I don't mind a qb with swagger, but when you haven't done anything in college that swagger shouldn't be showing. That is what is so off putting about this entire thing. I'm not making fun of Martells name, I could care less, it's better then some names I've seen lately.
I think he’s a more developed QB than JTB was. Accuracy seems more Joe Burrow-ish.
Lets be honest though, Dwayne wasn’t always accurate. Under threw some. Threw some behind guys (Victor PSU example). And he struggled when there was pressure (Rose Bowl, 2nd half).
He’s tremendous, not perfect. Still needs work (NFL will straighten it all out).
Justin Fields was clearly the better qb than Fromm. Kirby Smart is a great recruiter but he sucks as a head coach. Fields should have been starting and Georgia beats Bama in the sec title game this year
I am a little concerned about -
Hurts to Maryland
Stud to Maryland
Nester to Maryland
Maryland had some nice freshman on their squad, too. It seems the QB position held them back over the last few years. Add the UnderArmour (read: Nike ) money and you have a potential Oregon situation. Maybe it only lasts 4-5 years but still they were competitive (until they played the Bucks, of course)
Its a little bit like the game of Risk - usually one (transfer) wouldn't hurt you but in aggregate you gain strength.
You shouldn't be worried at all bc you left one name out:
Locksley to Maryland
I upvoted you except I see Martell either at Miami or of he's smart closer to home at UNLV or UCLA.
Maybe Aurburn. He’d tear it up in that offensive system.
And now 11W is making fun of his birth name. Wow. Would y’all be doing this if he wasn’t a “rich white kid?” There are some other gems kids are named, but we don’t make fun of theirs, now do we? The kid can’t help whatever his parents name him at birth.
The kid is 19 for Chrissakes. Take it easy. I vaugely remember being 19, but I’m pretty sure I was self conscious, unsure, looking for approval, sensitive, and overall prone to rash and poor decisions.
I don’t like how any of this has gone down, but I like even less how Buckeye Nation is reacting to the news. He’s not a villain. He’s not a reprobate. He’s hurt, disappointed, and likely feeling betrayed. And if he’s scanned this website the past two weeks, he’d be rightfully DISGUSTED.
We all thought we were in good hands next season with Tate, and looking forward to 2019, hearts full of expectations. Now, in two weeks, Tate is public enemy #1.
Prediction: Tate will transfer, have to sit out a year, but will come back and be a Heisman contender wherever he lands. Fields will underwhelm despite his “generational talent” (because who can live up to the hype?) and Buckeye fans will be lamenting Tate’s departure (“man, why’d he do that), and there will be calls to start Baldwin.
Stay classy, Buckeye Nation. We didn’t earn, “Best Damn Fans in the Land” by detroying our own.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Saying that "we all thought we were in good hands with Tate next season" is a stretch at best.
No it’s not. In fact, many were calling fore Tate during THIS season. So much so (because “Haskins couldn’t run”) that OSU began mixing Tate packages into the play calling, or did I imagine that?
You haven't been around here for long, have you? You need a trip in the way back machine.
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What does that even mean. I read 11W everyday for at least the past 6-7 years. Like multiple times per day. Did I miss all the “can we find a solution for Tate” or “what’s the matter with Tate” articles? I don’t even think YOU know what you mean. Hmmmmm
No I know what I mean.
Would y’all be doing this if he wasn’t a “rich white kid?”
Seriously??? No way you have been reading every day for the past 6-7 years if you think that is the first time someone had their name made fun of. There have been a few players who have been teased for their name. Does Melvin Fellows ring a bell?
The rest of your point? I'm not opposed to or for it.
Melvin Fellows? I have absolutely no idea as to why you're referring to him. Did people make fun of his name? I just searched his name in the 11W database and got no results. Please source your comment about people's name being made fun of on here. And if there was any, it was/is good natured nicknames. This take on "Tathan" is toxic and 11W and those making fun (bullying?) him for it should be ashamed of themselves.
I've been a member of 11W since 2015, 12th Warrior for the last two, and read the site off and on since my cousin told me about it after the site's launch. Not that any of that matters, but just trying to demonstrate that I've been on here for years, and can't recall this sort of vitriol for a student athlete on the team.
Tate is not handling this well, I will agree with this sentiment, especially all the social media changes. Could be that NOBODY wants him and he's starting for Akron next year or *gasp* the transfer loving Jim Hairballs for TTUN. He should most definitely have waited this out a bit longer, even to spring ball. He's correct in that he's got more experience running the 2's, and likely stood a decent chance of winning the starting QB position for that reason alone, regardless of Fields (or Baldwin). He can't really do anything from now till whenever football-wise, especially if he has to sit out. It's not like he didn't just see Burrow go through this situation having the talented Haskins join the team "lateish" and see his dream of being OSU"s QB1 shattered.
Oh well. "SEEYA LATER TATER!!!!!!!!!!"
To be fair, I am not 100% happy to see him leave. I agree that perhaps not all the hate is warranted, but I just don't care for the racial angle.
Melvin Fellows was nicknamed Safari Planet years ago...https://www.elevenwarriors.com/2010/08/2010-preview-defensive-line.html there is a link in this thread. He immediately came to mind. Carlos Hyde was another, where I am pretty sure he was first called El Guapo onboard here. My point is, no one made fun of his name because he is white.
I mean, giving a kid a nickname like "El Guapo," the "Iron King," "Stupid Sexy" or whatever is one thing, but making fun of his LEGAL BIRTH NAME is something completely different. "Tater Time" was the one I saw (used?) most on here. This has taken a toxic turn, though. Kid can't help his name his parents give him. Trust me, the things the parents name their kids at my kids' school make me shudder. "Spalding?" LOL. And I wasn't saying that the REASON he was being made fun of is BECAUSE he's white rich kid, just that there are other kids playing football that have far more bizarre names. Whatever. It's just a bad look, but I'm clearly in the minority here. Sadly.
I’m with you in the minority about this name-shaming thing. It’s mind boggling to me. Even in his worst/insecure comments toward Fields, Tate’s done nothing to deserve that...he chose Ohio State and loves Ohio State, a true dream school for him as his Gpa went here. If he chooses to leave, I’m sad for him, but understand it. We should support him as a Buckeye.
It's the bravado that is causing this backlash. The apparent belief that he deserved the job, and should not have to compete for it. I'm confident that Tate is most likely a decent person, but he does himself no favors.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.
To be clear, I'm not making fun of his name. His name is totally fine. I just realized yesterday that most people didn't know his birth name was Tathan, and I thought it was relatively common knowledge. So I decided to throw in the article that talks about the origin.
Nothing that I said was mean, or even joking. I've known his name was Tathan for months. If I wanted to make fun of him for it, I would have done it months ago. I think it's a fine name.
I don't see why it matters his name is Tathan. I still don't care, he doesn't wanna compete for starting job because he thinks it's his turn, then he doesn't deserve to be here and he is dead to me
"He will forever be Tathan because he is a ridiculous primadona and I think that name fits his character." -Brilliant first post on this comment section
Mr. Harrish, someday you too will have children and you will know what it feels like to have your kid come home and tell you something the other kids made fun of them at school...and it will break your heart.
You may not have included that nugget about Tate's birth name maliciously, but most certainly the trolls on this board have taken it to be a point of derision and slander. We're WAY beyond the "Better Know a Buckeye" phase of Tate Martell. To add this tidbit is fun if everyone's in on the joke, but clearly Tate and his family are not.
Now, I don't want go too far here because I think the kid will be OK, but that video clip of him defending himself looked to me like a kid on the verge of tears, terribly tormented about the sudden change of fortunes for him. I can tell you as a senior leader in the Army, I've known a number of soldiers who've taken their lives over much, much less. His hasty decision making and wiping of his social media are, to me, warning signs. And to see Buckeye Nation (I'm sure he reads this fine site) come down on him so hard, well, it concerns me.
So, in sum, I will take you at your word that you meant no ill or harm to the young man. Regardless, it's unfortunate that so many members of Buckeye Nation have piled on him like this.
It is more likely that Fields ends up the contender and Tate fails to live up to your Heisman-hype.
Well we’ll just see, won’t we? Frankly, Baldwin is just about as likely to win the starting job as Fields. Everyone is sleeping on this kid but he’s legit, composed, talented, and best of all a Pro-Style QB. Here’s to having an amazing QB regardless. The rich git richer!
i would be impressed if tate took a look in the mirror and followed that with an apology tweet and also a thank you to tosu.
I am disappointed he did not compete for the starting position. I can only think he was told he wasn't being considered. After all, Mathew Baldwin, Ryan Day's hand-picked recruit is also on the sidelines. As for Kyler Murray being taken ahead of DH7, please!
Tough decision for Tate - I hope he decides what's best for him and has good counsel to bounce stuff off of.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
1) Keep it classy I say. Best of luck Tate.
2) I hope Fields' attorney is as good as everyone thinks he is. Otherwise Baldwin and Chug better get ready to go.
Thank you. People need to stop the Tate hate. He chose to come here and compete and he lost the coach who he wanted to play for.
We knew he had bravado and we liked that. I was ready to go to war behind him but it looks like it’s not working out, so best of luck
Now i hope he lands somewhere (Auburn? Miami?) whee he can do some damage to Bama/Clemson.
Feel bad about the whole situation. Let’s not forget Tate has been here for 2 years and was behind a great talent. He’s done exactly what has been asked of him and no social media issues until the Fields issue started. How can he not feel bad? I would feel a bit betrayed- so would you. Field ( a talent) hasn’t spent 1 sec in an OSU uniform. So we don’t know how either kid will do yet, but I hope both do great. If he is gone, best of luck to Tate.
I don't understand the "betrayed" comments. Did Urban promise him the starting job post-Haskins? Were assurances made that we would never accept a transfer from another quarterback?
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
It the whole montra about Fields starting and that Tate was being passed up from day 1 of Fields interest - including that he can’t throw. We don’t know what was said but you can bet he was told he fit in the RPO offense of Meyers which is now gone. He worked for this for 2 years.
Your right, No betrayal per se but I would feel like things changed around me and all of a sudden I have to prove myself when Fields is bring given the benefit of the doubt without ever seeing the field (no pun).
I'm upset about this because by transferring, Tathan is depriving us of an absolutely legendary quarterback battle that saw jabs thrown before one of them even arrived on campus.
And I'm glad we were spared the locker room feud that could have done nothing positive for the team, no matter how entertaining it may have been.
I went from Team Tater to Team See Ya Later...
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He lost me when at the Rose Bowl interview and was asked the question about knowing Justin Fields he said "no" and did not leave it at that...was led right into the question about..'wanting to know him'... and quickly replied "no". How great of a teammate is that! Does he say the same about any 2019 recruit? Must spell TEAM with an I.
Here's the thing about Tathan....You do NOT get to run your mouth about winning the job one week and then bail the following w\o so much as 1 practice together. It is such a weak look. Pathetic and I am not saying this as a disgruntled fan. I don't believe he has what it takes, this is telling. Sorry not sorry Tatter Tot....
Stuck in Ann Arbor for work, I can confirm she is indeed a whore.
Guessing too right now Tate's value is an all-time high when you consider that he is transferring because he 'backed up an NFL top 10 pick'. But if Tate sticks around, loses the battle to a QB who has never started and backs up Fields, he is just another back up.
^^^This is an interesting take.. never looked at it from that angle
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If I was Tathan i would be upset about how i was treated/lack of respect from Buckeye Nation. Also, i saw his sisters instagram account and she comes across as an attention seeking prima dona. I wonder if Tathan shares that with her.
Watch QB1 on Netflix and see for yourself
I dont have Netflix. I am not rich
So in the game against John Bosco he was yanked for changing plays without being told to change the play. Then he whined to others saying he doesn't know why he was pulled after all he has put into the team...
That should be an instant red flag, then he's out driving dune buggies and flips it.
His personality is not a good thing, he is very me oriented, his comments two weeks ago prove his me thinking.
His parents were pissed when he got pulled in the game, they said why is he not in the game. They never asked the coach why.
The entire family is so into themselves, personally we should all be happy he is gone
Apparently there are a lot of posters on here that have turned on were not a big fan of Tate. Me, I am really sorry to see him leave! I loved his swagger and attitude and felt he would tear it up on the field for Ohio State. Sadly, that will no longer be a possibility. I wish him nothing but the best and hope he does find that team to give him the chance to shine. Good luck young man!
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I initially liked his swagger and confidence as well... but you can't talk a big talk and then turn and run at the first sign of things not going your way. I respect people who can walk that line of bettering themselves and others with a slightly brash amount of confidence, but it takes the work and the determination behind that to make it happen. Confidence without the ability to follow through is arrogance.
I do wish him luck wherever he ends up, but I also hope he grows as a person from this experience.
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I personally was hoping to see Martell compete with Fields just as Burrow competed with Haskins. Now I understand Burrow’s situation was slightly different because he had his degree in hand. Put yourselves in Tate’s shoes. He has worked his tail off for 2 years expecting that his time had finally come to be the starter. In hindsight, he should not have gone and said what he did, if he fully intended on competing. What I have not read in these comments is it is pretty obvious that Haskins’ boy is Fields not Martell. Based on notes from the Ryan Day recruiting trail, he prefers a pro-style QB which Meyer did not. I have heard Day is a very honest coach so I’m thinking a meeting occurred and it was implied that Martell could compete but his role might not be as the starter. Thanks for working hard on the scout team and preparing the Bucks to win some big games. Best of luck in an offense that fits your style of play because I do think you will find success Tate. Go Bucks!
Regarding Fields, a person doesn’t have to feel physically threatened or vulnerable to be repulsed and unwelcome when receiving repeated racial slurs. And it isn’t just that the guy was a baseball player, but adding in the fact that Fields intended to play baseball at Georgia and all of that was in the crapper after seeing a “leader” of said team saying this.
Right now, we have to hope it is enough to qualify for a hardship waiver, or we are looking at the Matthew Baldwin era for a year.
As for Martell, I wish him good luck wherever he lands, but his timing in this is very personal. To me, he appears to feel slighted and offended that OSU had the audacity to welcome into the roster another elite QB talent. I understand his being frustrated, but this is a huge program and whatever they can do to see that the QB position has more than just his handful of mop up experience in the position room, they are going to do. And wherever he transfers, the same will be true.
I think he would be better off, and I know the university would be better off, for him to stick around, compete for the job along with Fields. What’s more, we are not certain that Fields will even be eligible. Given that is up in the air at the moment, his transfer move is also a big middle finger to Ohio State.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Yikes, if Fields is not granted immediate eligibility we're down to Baldwin and Chugunov. Wonder if I have any eligibility left...
I wonder what Tate's relationship was with teammates Seems like Haskins had a superficial relationship with him despite other position groups working together and supporting each other, even LB's who were not playing. During Rose Bowl practice players said Baldwin was doing well but no one mentioned Tate, and we know Haskins must have told fields he could win the job...so maybe he was told it might be better to leave..hope he lands somewhere he can play and more importantly fit in
Disappointed to see him go. He could definitely go without the social media antics, it would and could be used against him in the future.
For those making fun of his name, not a good look either. If I were him I would not appreciate seeing a large portion of the fan base making said comments.
I have not seen or read anyone here mention it in the comments but martel or martell is French for "hammer". Quite fitting for his style of game and his running ability. In a historical context and in my opinion, the most important individual in western civilization as far as military history is Charles Martel, leader of the Franks. At Tours In 732 he successfully repelled Islamic armies from overtaking western Europe. He was the grandfather of Charlemagne, the guy who made Carolingian Miniscule the standard in his empire so regular folk could read. Read up on both men, they are some very interesting and important people. So Tate's last name is pretty damn cool.
Unlimited upvotes for Charles Martel and Charlemagne references. Important history. Well done.
Thanks ShawneeBuck. Good to know others here appreciate the history. BTW, every time I see your username I automatically think of Bluejacket by Allan Eckert. Always liked ready that as a kid.
So much for being a die-hard Buckeye and bring on any challenge because I will be the starter. . . not to mention integrity and character.
I never thought Tate would make it at tOSU anyway. Just too short, even for a run first pass second kind of guy.
Tate would be great at a school like Georgia Tech or maybe one of the military schools.
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I won't deviate from the same stance I had initially about Tate in that he's doing what's best for him as he should... But to talk all that bs and then MAYBE/ALLEGEDLY run away isn't and was not a good look it. Best of luck to the guy and I'll be rooting for him in the future wherever he ends up, hopefully he matures in way that sees him doing more COMPETING than running off at the mouth on social media about what you're going to do as opposed to what you actually did.
As far as Dantonio and MSU I don't see him there to much longer. These hires speak of nepotism and cheapness and like the author said MSU might not ever score literally.. As a matter of fact with the way the athletic department MSU is going after the perverted doctor scandals as well as the ones in football and basketball over the year's they'd do well to clean house before they find themselves a true has been due to heavy sanctions from Delany and the NCAA...
Everyone (mostly Martell bashers) thinks he’s tucking tail and running. Maybe our new coach, whom everyone thinks is the best thing since sliced bread, promised Fields a starting position. It will be most interesting to see if all these coaching changes, and the QB dispute, works out for Day. If it doesn’t, the Martell bashers will turn on Day too. Buckeye Nation at its best.
Holy shit...you're telling me in Vegas they have Pop Warner teams for 7-year olds where the OL is 3-deep. Damn, that's next-level.
That hockey jean article is too relatable. The amount of times I’ve had to return jeans because they’re too tight from the quad to the glutes is ridiculous. Then when you find the perfect fit in that area, the calves and waist are too large.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
not even sure why people are so petty and concerned about a transfer and an existing member of the team when apocalyptic zombies, murderers, drug dealers, and terrorists are pouring though our southern borders and into this country, raping women and girls, and destroying our way of life as we know it. Let's be real here, people. worry about what really matters.
I'm just glad that at least 255 people are safe enough to post on this article as opposed to running for their lives. luckily, I don't live in America at the moment. otherwise, I would not be able to comment on the state of Buckeye football and would be securing myself and my family in a nuclear proof bunker with AR-15s and 8.5 years worth of food and water supply.
It's time to build that wall to protect BuckeyeNation and America from apocalypse!
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Lol Dantonio, that's your move?
I believed that Martell would get his shot this year before news broke of Field's transfer to Ohio State. I was never really high on Tate but thought he would be similar to JT Barrett with a run-first mentality. I followed him on Twitter and he ran his mouth a lot and said some things that were pretty bold. He even sounded like he was going to stay around and fight to win the starting job. I wonder if coach Day sat him down after that and had a good honest conversation with him. I still think he has a lot of maturing to do (as most of us did at that age.) It's too bad it didn't work out for him at Ohio State, but I'm sure he'll land on his feet somewhere and get another shot. Good luck! Next man up!
Respect given for your argument on the benefits of a "...qb battle...", the only thing I would say is I'm old enough to remember the "Germain vs. Jackson" battle in the 90's, and the post NC "..Cardele vs. JT" battle. In both of those cases, I think you'd have a REALLY tough time saying it "made both QB's better" and resulted in better team performance. If anything, it diverts time, reps, and attention from (who should be) a primary starter, and you end up with two underperforming pieces of a pie. It also can, and does, consume alot of emotional energy from the team and coaches as they work thru a more complex arrangement of a starting position. In spite of the very rare "success stories" of a 2 qb system, more times than not, it's a failure. IF Justin Fields is clearly a better prospect than Tate (which all indications are), and Tate needs to be a starter, OSU should try to part with Tate on as good of terms as possible.
I think calling Kyler Murray the #2 QB in the draft is kind of an insult to Will Grier.
He’s leaving....so what. Let’s move on...Go Buckeyes!
Onward and upward! Go Buckeyes!