If the Tate Martell Era at Ohio State is Truly Over, He Played His Part Beautifully

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CamelBuck88's picture

Wish nothing but the best for Tate. He has confidence and wanted to compete but writing may have been on the wall too late and the tweets happened. Go forth and conquer unless it's against the Buckeyes.

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Brah Zhole's picture

Brah, he has confidence on Twitter but not sure that confidence translates to compete on the field.

Dont swing and miss....

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Homey1970's picture

He reminds me of Baker Mayfield with no career starts...yet.

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MichiBuck12's picture

He's a small guy with a big personality and a lot of talent. Baker Mayfield comes to mind. So does Johnny Manziel. I think the way he's handled this situation is more Johnny than Baker. Baker is a dog. He doesn't run his mouth on the internet and then back down from the fight. He runs his mouth, wins the fight, and rubs his opponents face in it. 

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Homey1970's picture

Now that’s spoken like an Oklahoma Browns fan!

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HoosierBuck's picture

Oranges and apples!  Mayfield was given a chance unlike Burrow.   Tate could be getting the shaft for his body of work.

Tate could possibly be a better all round qb someday than Drew Brees, who btw, if he had brought his talent to the last 3 yrs of OSU fb, wouldnt likely had a chance either.

Besides, one can hardly think that no matter how talented a QB is(and Fields definitely IS) would Day actually start him not knowing the Plays that well until after at least a few games. Would one think Day would take a chance losing a couple games possibly off the get go?   Hmmm?   just wondering.

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JJBuckeye's picture

Ryan day told all the defense coaches that were being let go two days before the Rose Bowl, which didn’t have to be done, but it gave the coaches a heads up to look for other opportunities. I’m sure he sat down with Tathan and had a serious conversation about where the program was going and let him make the best decision for himself. Go Bucks

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BiggHoww's picture

Brah 100 UVs. Everyone else has a saddle on Martell's nuts.

The ugly truth is often downvoted

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CamelBuck88's picture

Problem here is, he's a perfect QB for Meyer's system. That has gone out the window, no more relying on QB runs every series. Don't get me wrong Tate can throw it around; but like Haskins? Or even how Fields has shown? What about Baldwin?

Of course he has confidence; he knows the playbook inside and out; he's been in the system, he's comfortable with the players he's around and would be playing with; something Fields can't say to this point. He was put on field for important series at the beginning of the year and he performed well.

Wish him nothing but the best, unfortunately the Buckeyes recruited over him.

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Buckloving's picture

The tweets were a bad look but I don't blame him at all for leaving. Somewhere out there is a school that runs the kind of offense that would be a perfect fit for him. Worked out pretty damn good for Burrow. Wins over four top ten teams. I'd take that over sitting on the bench in Columbus any day

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Scooter's picture

Except the playbook has changed.

Scooter

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BuckInNashville's picture

We don’t know. We also don’t know why a guy who wasn’t the starter at Georgia Will translate to the field either. 

So, for the people who want to criticize Tate because of some tweets, I say, we might be down to two QBs this year and wishing Tate Martell was still a Buckeye. 

I also remember how he recruited other players - whether that is a factorir not, I don’t know - but it looks really good to me when recruits form an early brotherhood. So I hate to see it dissolve.

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Silver Sniper's picture

No offense, Nash, but the narrative of Fields as “a guy who wasn’t a starter at Georgia” is pretty tired. He was a true freshman at a U that had a QB come within a last second Tua bomb of winning the National Championship. We also know well at OSU that coaches have their “darlings” and it isn’t always about who is the better player. It has been strongly observed by those close to UGA that Fromm was Smart’s “guy”. Then there are likely many other factors that could contribute to why Fields didn’t start as a true freshman. What we DO know is Fields is our highest rated recruit ever. If you glance at the next highest rated recruits we’ve had ever, there’s a very strong correlation that Fields will do good things for us. There’s also the eye test. Take a moment and check out Fields’ highlights both from high school and college. They are damn impressive. These are all things that indicate to me that he will be a very good one for us. Do we know for sure? No, but we don’t know anything will happen for sure in football.

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BuckInNashville's picture

good point - although I am as staunch a supporter of JTB in the UFM system as you will find, Haskins might have carved up Wisconsin in the Big championship to the point that the CFP committee might have forgotten the Iowa loss. 

Urban was playing g JTB with a broken knee. So your point about Fromm is well taken

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Silver Sniper's picture

Thank you. Yes, that’s a perfect example. I was a staunch supporter of seeing the best QB play when JT returned for his senior year and I’m not certain that happened. That was the year after we looked exposed in the CFB  against Clemson and it seemed like we were looking at our ceiling with JT as QB. I too wanted to see Haskins against Wiscy once JT was hurt and we got to see Haskins lead us back from two TDs down against TUN the week prior.

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BuckInNashville's picture

At the same time that I realize this, I will defend JT as the qb who got us to the Big ten championship (needed for entry into the tournament in 2014), and the guy whose legs were pounded so often that it had a profound effect on his passing. He was a different passer after year 2. In his career he carried the ball 645 times in comparison to our last Heisman RB, Eddie George, who had 759 carries.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Agreed that JT deserves that credit for 2014. Also agree that JT never truly returned to form after that broken leg against Michigan. His development as a passer especially really plateaued and his confidence always seemed lacking. He was always hesitating and seemed unsure of himself.

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Moo Strength's picture

I think you need to realize that Kirby Smart wants Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, not a Cam Newton. Look at who was QB when Smart was at Alabama: McElroy, McCarron, etc. Smart seems to like pocket quarterbacks of which Fromm is a Prototypical pocket QB.  

KS seems to want a big, tall guy under center. I realize fields isn’t exactly short but feels is far more of a runner than Fromm. So I don’t think it’s that Fromm was necessarily better than Fields, it’s that Fromm fits Kirby’s offense more ideal than Fields.

I also wonder how much the fact that TM never learned how to lose factored into his decision. He's undefeated in high school right? He's named the Gatorade player of the year. Great leaders need to experience defeat to be better leaders. He's never really be in charge and had a defeat. Losing to Purdue as the backup isn't the same thing as losing when you started the game and played 99% of it. I wonder if TM has been repeatedly told he's awesome, and his pride got the best of him, faced with the possibility that someone is better than him, and he couldn't handle it.

I'm not saying he's not talented, but I do think Fields has greater potential. Only one of them I think has any shred of hope of playing on Sunday.

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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rjsmitty's picture

He was 45-0 as a high school starter. I know thats high school but I dont believe no other D1 QB has ever daone that. Ha can be cocky.

"I don't wanna coach average! To hell with that!"  -UFM

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KidfromAK's picture

Yeah but he went to the best football high school in Vegas and constantly played teams who weren’t nearly as talented 45-0 doesn’t mean a thing. Also OSU isn’t HS football that stuff doesn’t matter or translate. 

Running back not Blocking back

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Mitoja7's picture

GgGoodness!! Some of y’all need to leave Tate alone!! We don’t know if he’s leaving or not. Hopefully he will stay.  The dude is a Baller.   with a lot of the comments I see on here it’s like no one wants him to compete for the starting job!  Let’s route him on Tuesday with the buckeyes and make our team better! And can anyone give me a time that they have seen Tate on actual game day and be terrible on the field?? I don’t think so we want him around

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Mitoja7's picture

GgGoodness!! Some of y’all need to leave Tate alone!! We don’t know if he’s leaving or not. Hopefully he will stay.  The dude is a Baller.   with a lot of the comments I see on here it’s like no one wants him to compete for the starting job!  Let’s route him on Tuesday with the buckeyes and make our team better! And can anyone give me a time that they have seen Tate on actual game day and be terrible on the field?? I don’t think so we want him around

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tcm1968's picture

If the rumor about why he is leaving is true I'm not sure about wanting to compete.. Several folks saying in December it was basically come take my job.... and then when he met with Coach Day after the Rose it wasn't his job. Coach Day told him it was an open depth chart and that Baldwin, Fields and Tate all had a shot at QB1... Tate didn't like that. Thought those two should be battling to take QB1 from him... and then went into the transfer portal..

I get it... he came here to be the next JT and we retired that way of QB thinking for now so it puts him in a tough spot... But Coach Day didn't owe him the starting slot.. and big picture here's hoping Coach Day does that with every position come spring and fall ball..

Go Bucks!

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ibuck's picture

 he came here to be the next JT and we retired that way of QB thinking for now

I'm hoping that Ryan Day's tenure as the Buckeye head coach is similar to that of Woody Hayes, with multiple B1G & national titles over many, many years. And with a very strong rushing attack too.

That is, for now a long, long time.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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Moutarde's picture

Actually, I would take Ryan Day's tenure being like Tressel's or Meyer's too.

I would bet TTUN fans who are at least somewhat self-aware would take that too for Harbaugh's tenure at this point, since Harbaugh isn't even matching up well with John Cooper at this point.  At least Cooper won once..

A thing repeated will happen a third time.

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PhillyNut's picture

Agree. But I am still on the fence on Fields minus some critical information. No denying the raw talent, no denying his success at Elite 11 and in high school. But without a definitive "this is why he did not beat out Fromm" that will remain a question until he goes through practices and we see him in action. Does he have a critical component of the game that is his equivalent of "Trouble with the Curve"? that Georgia knows about but is not yet seen by the rest of the world?

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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tcm1968's picture

He wasn't given the chance to beat Fromm. We may never know if he misread the situation or if Smart didn't tell him the truth but Fields thought he was going to get the same shot Lawrence had at Clemson and he didn't get that. Fromm is QB1 unless he gets hurt. When people started speculating that maybe Fromm is a system QB and might be there 4 years Fields realized unless Fromm got injured it could be until 2021 until he saw the field.  Would be like someone coming here with JT as our QB1... all the coach speak in the world wouldn't knock JT off QB1 unless he got injured. I don't think anyone believes there was ever an open competition for QB1 those JT years. 

You still have to play the game and get on the field but Fields potential ceiling is WAY higher than Fromm.. Fields sitting was never about talent. It was straight up Fromm is inked in as QB1...

Go Bucks!

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TigerSweat's picture

Exactly.

Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0

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avail31678's picture

This is my thought also - much like Haskins sitting behind JT, Fields never was given a chance to beat Fromm.  I'd have a hard time benching a QB who took me to the Natty and almost beat Bama too.  

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CreekBuck's picture

Except Cardale competed and won the job then started the season at QB1 in 2015.

You win with people.

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BucksLover0214's picture

Except Cardale won us a national championship....like Fromm almost did for Georgia....

They hate us cuz they aint us!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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HoosierBuck's picture

Tcm: "He wasn't given the chance to beat Fromm. "

FYI: Fields did play in 12 games as a freshman at uga. He did VERY well in those games.

Having said that I still think if Tate stays that he would win the job at least temporarily until JF gets accustomed to the O and to his receivers. jmho.

Go Buckeye QB whoever you are!

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cal3713's picture

I totally agree.  Somehow even the staff writers here have already assumed that Fields is walking in here and blowing the place up.  He may well do that, but there have been plenty of top recruits who failed to live up to their projected ceiling.  

Honestly, it's ridiculous that this article only puts forward two possibilities for how Field's will perform:  "Fields achieves the same kind of success that Dwayne Haskins had as a Buckeye"  or "Fields leads the Buckeyes to a national championship or some other form of glory." 

IF he wins the job, Fields is replacing a likely first round NFL pick and we're already assuming he'll be equal or better?   

Best of luck to Martell, we could easily end up missing him dearly next year.  I thought he looked great all season in backup duties.  He definitely doesn't deserve all the shit he's getting on this site... and in this article.

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JJBuckeye's picture

This is what I know. We are one injury away from a serious issue if Tathan leaves. Go Bucks

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CTownBucknut's picture

We may never know for sure, but the thing I take the most comfort in is looking at our situation here in Columbus.  JT Barrett was a great college QB by any reasonable measure, but Haskins just had the best year for an OSU QB ever, yet never beat out JT.  Now some could have wondered if he was really all that, why wasn't he beating out JT his first 2 years, yet we saw how good he was when getting his chance.  So here we are talking about a true Freshman trying to beat out an incumbent starter who almost won a Natty the previous year.  I personally don't think we can draw too many conclusions from that.  

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Fatpants's picture

For a guy who literally has a crown above his Twitter profile picture, this is about as much humble pie as you're going to see him eat.

The crown isn’t an ego thing. It’s just to make him look taller.  

PG <3 PG

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LCT's picture

Crap. I'd gotten used to seeing crotch kicks here in the context of Michigan's many disasters. Not sure what to do with this.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Likes 

Crotch

Treachery. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

This is the hottest of the hot fire takes today, close down the site, we've reached our zenith.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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The Braden's picture

Loathes 

Closeted 

Thuggery

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Hovenaut's picture

The business of college football.

Mikey C said it best...it ain't personal, Tathan.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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BuckeyePat's picture

His moms twitter and the way this has went down has to make us think maybe it’s a little personal. Sounded personal when he blurted in the media a few weeks ago. He was obviously bothered

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Hovenaut's picture

I get, somewhat, that point of view.

Who knows exactly what was communicated during the recruiting visits, once he arrived at Columbus, over the course of the past couple years, etc.

Sometimes things don't always work out like we would like them to, that's life.

I regret not seeing more of Martell while he was in Columbus,  I thought he could help the offense that was inactive clear out at times. I wish him well.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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buckeyeinWI's picture

he'll get over it.

Just like I'm 'over him'.

next man up (Justin Fields)...

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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CWhiteland27's picture

I'm not advocating for Tate, but think about it from his perspective.  He was a top high school player that UFM hand picked.  That of course is going to make him feel like he is next in line.  Now lets take a look at what happened this year.  He accepted that Haskins was going to be the starter and waited for his time to be the QB at The Ohio State.  Then was it last weekend during the basketball game UFM was sitting there with who?  Haskins and Fields.  Hell yeah I would take that personally.  Why in the hell was Tate not at that game with the other QB's and the coach that hand picked him?  Tate has every right to be pissed off and feel like he was lied to.

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LB U's picture

He was all talk, my dude.

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BuckIhateTTUN's picture

Martell has some serious football skills, so saying he was all talk is a bit off the mark.  That said, he needs to develop his leadership skills, notably his recognition that his stellar play is made possible by 10 other guys on offense and the 11 guys on defense that got him the ball in the first place.  All his self-congratulatory remarks indicate that he may, as he said it, "love my guys," but he has yet to fully recognize how much they contribute to his success. Once he does--if he does--he'll spend more time praising the play of his teammates and less time praising himself.

"If you're going through Hell, keep going." Sir Winston

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Blackcoffee's picture

This type of comment wins the prize...biggest "homer" comment of the evening. Mazel tov!

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DUNNELLONFLBUCK's picture

Gonna come back and laugh at you when Tate ends up better than Fields

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BuckeyePat's picture

Tate’s moving on. The whole story? Who knows. Good luck Tate.

Now let’s move on. Fields/Baldwin with a new lion at coach and possibly the most talented WR  corps as a whole we’ve ever seen. Can’t wait!

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BuckeyePat's picture

And somehow someone dvs this. . Welcome to 11W boards lol

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LB U's picture

There's definetly still a fair share of Martell fan boys on here.. even after the fake beef/tough act he put on for social media, followed by him transferring like a guy who's all talk. I don't get it. I've lost all respect for him.

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kmp10's picture

Taking the position opposite of yours does not make one a "fan boy." I don't care who starts next season as long as he excels... but I find it comical that people on here hate him so much that they're taunting and jeering him on the way out after the guy worked very hard on the field and in the class room - he's on course to graduate in May after two years in school (anybody else on here accomplish that? I know it took me more than six years to graduate), has never been in trouble, and performed extremely well in limited opportunities. He's cocky, yes, and it's irritating, I agree, but he's getting the short of the stick here, no doubt, and the fan base finds it funny. Whatever... 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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LB U's picture

"He's getting the short of the stick here"

I laughed.

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Drpsychbuck's picture

Maybe he’s just the short stick!

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CincyOSU's picture

KMP - Perfectly said. The way this fanbase, one who created live game threads for his high school games, turned on him is embarrassing. The minute we heard Fields might be transferring here, the fanbase(especially the internet warriors) began acting like Tate wouldn't start for Dublin Coffman's JV squad...lest we forget how we rejoiced when a Top 60 Player and one of the best QBs in the class committed here. I have no doubt the players check out these boards...if I were him and saw this kind of shit I'd be pissed off too. I don't agree with his mouth, but he deserves way more respect than he is getting.

That being said, what likely happened here is that Day had a conversation with Tate letting him know how the offense was going to look and how his skill set measured up against that offense. It makes sense for him to move on, this isn't the offense he committed to three years ago.

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LB U's picture

The loudest one in the room is often the weakest.. which turned out to be 100% true. All bark, no bite. He talked all that smack and didn't care to back it up.. tells me all I need to know about him as a person and a leader.

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CincyOSU's picture

Except you don't know him at all. You don't know what conversations took place between himself and Day. I'm can tell you with 100% certainty that his teammates love and respect him(I know the parent of the current player).

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LB U's picture

Cool, He's a twitter queen... that's what he is. If you want to live in pretend land, go ahead. Not doing it. He made himself look like a complete clown.

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stxbuck's picture

You can't complain about how "You really don't know him", when he is publicly pushing his own image/brand on social media. What he says on social media is what he WANTS everyone to believe, so don't criticize people for disliking that promoted persona.

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BuckeyeGoneNuts's picture

I think that's a completely unfair characterization of what's going on.   He was a great dual threat run first pass second spread zone read offense in high school, and that's what he was recruited to do and excel at.  Now the circumstances have changed, Urbs is gone and we've switched to a different offensive philosophy.  We bring in someone else who is (or rather, appears to be) better suited to excel in that new offensive scheme.  Tate might have fully intended to battle for the job and win it, but was probably told that the new offense would feature much fewer QB runs and be much less tailored to his strengths (no zone-reads etc), so he'd be at a significant disadvantage and would not get to really showcase his top skills.  Based on that, he's probably going to move on to another school where he gets a chance to do what he does best.  I don't see anything wrong with that at all, and I think it's ugly the way the fan base seems to be treating him now.

I for one wish him the best of luck wherever he goes, and I'm guessing he's going to be a very successful college QB somewhere.  Thanks for your effort for the Buckeyes Tate and good luck going forward.... unless you're playing the Bucks :)

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LB U's picture

So why try to put Justin Fields on blast on social media then? Obviously he was just trying to convince fields NOT to come, rather than actually warning him. Just absolutely un-warranted and a terrible terrible look.

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BuckeyeGoneNuts's picture

Oh I agree, the tweeting stuff was dumb, but I'm pretty sure I did a lot of dumber stuff when I was that age, I just didn't have a million people scrutinizing my every word and action.  That's hardly a reason for the fan base to really turn on him though -- it's not like he's come out and slammed the university and the fans or anything, he's simply doing what makes logical sense for him.

He probably felt that with Fields not coming, the offense would be more tailored to him and he'd be able to do shine for OSU, which is what he wants to do.   With Fields coming in, my guess is the coach(es) had an honest convo with him and said the offense would not really align with his strengths, so his position has changed from "I'm gonna fight all the way, it's my job!" to "OK, I'll have to look for an opportunity elsewhere.

I just don't like seeing our fan base reacting in an ugly way and turning on the guy for doing what makes logical sense.  If we act that way to him and not to Fields, we're hypocrites -- Fields did the exact same thing, he's looking for his opportunity somewhere other than where he started when it became clear he wouldn't get a chance to shine there.

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stxbuck's picture

You don't complain about having a million people scrutinizing your every move while publicly trolling for social media hits. You can't have it both ways.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Cincy, great comment! Although we just don’t know what happened internally. It could be personality conflicts, e.g.

And Day has gone out of his way to say that he will adapt his offenses to the skill sets of his key players. Justin Fields runs a 4.5 and is a freight train - and elusive! - in the open field. If he is the starter next year, Day/Yurcich/Wilson will run plenty of read option among other plays designed to pressure defenses vertically and horizontally and try to make individual defenders “always wrong” in response. 

Cincy, you are a Platinum Club commenter on non-ESPN topics.

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CincyOSU's picture

Cincy, you are a Platinum Club commenter on non-ESPN topics.

I lol'd.

I've actually made it a point to try and not comment on ESPN shit for awhile(and there have been some doozy takes lately). It's been good for my sanity so I might continue to refrain from posting on those topics. That being said, I'm only human so I'm sure I chime in every now and then but I think I'm going to take a long hiatus from the ESPN bickering.

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TigerSweat's picture

If ESPN hadn't covered the Fields transfer in such a negative way, Tate would still be happy. I blame the corporate shills at ESPN

Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

"he's on course to graduate in May after two years in school (anybody else on here accomplish that? )"

Um, how does one earn all the credits necessary to receive a four year degree in two years while playing football? Something isn't making sense with this timeline.  It's not like you can take 40 credits in one semester in the spring to make up for the rest of the football season. 

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SMOLNAR13's picture

It isn't entirely that far fetched.  He enrolled early if I remember correctly, then summer semester.  So that is 2 semesters down before his true freshman fall even started. So if he took Spring/Summer/Fall/Spring/Summer/Fall/Spring  that's 7 semesters of classes.  When I was at OSU it was quarters, so not sure credits they need now.  But heavy spring class loads, or a May-mester (if OSU does that like other schools) he very well could have plenty of credits.

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fritziebuck's picture

@Kmp10 - Many people including myself think it was cowardice to talk smack to the media during the Rose Bowl, and talk smack on social media, then run away.  If you're going to talk a big game, be prepared to back it up.   

Would've had no problem if he kept his mouth shut and transferred.  But no, he had to go running his mouth.  Then he ran away when he realized he couldn't back it up.  He should've been quiet and transferred.  Issued a statement to Buckeye nation how grateful he was for experience.  Then I would've had no problems with it.     

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I am Kirok's picture

Everyone keeps saying he is running from Fields but what makes people think that? Seriously, they haven't been on the field together why would he run? Sure Fields was rated higher but we've seen that not work out (Give me EzE over Green, Perry over Grant) granted more often than not stars matter but development is everything and we've lost a year developing Fields.

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JCam061588's picture

What’s the short end of the stick? Not competing for something he never had? People get beat out everyday, Braxton almost lost his job due to injury, JT did lose his job because of injury, Cardale was outperformed, before that it was Bauserman, Boeckman was a senior who led his team to the NC the year before, & Zwick was the prodigal son who lost his job to a 3* “athlete”. Where are the threads for pour ole Dante Booker? Did he get the short end of the stick or was he just not good enough.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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saintstephen11's picture

how is he getting the short end of the stick? Because he has to earn his spot?

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BuckeyePat's picture

I get your point but at the same time you reference a lot of unnecessary information as examples. The main details of this story are how Tate acted in the media then a week later enters the portal and essentially cuts all Ohio State related ties on his Social media ext

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JimmyVanP's picture

If you actually met him you'd change your mind

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Yep. Funny. No matter how this went down, Tate was not Day’s guy. Plain and simple.

A new HC wants his guy. Newsflash. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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tjshaffe's picture

Tate was not Day’s guy. Plain and simple

Bingo. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Fantastic article. Pulled no punches! Your assessment is right on. 

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steve-OH's picture

Wow this is totally an un-11w type article if I've ever seen it. This is a bashing of Martell while cloaked in an article about his personality type and how he has acted.

I didn't know 11w was capable of such opinion peices besides Ramzy's writing. Not sure if I like it or what.

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buckeyes763's picture

This wasn’t bashing Martell, this was pointing out how fans want confident/cocky players and then bash them for being that the minute that player decides that maybe Ohio State isn’t the best place for him. 

As far as quality writers at 11W, Johnny has been here as long as I can remember (I started lurking in 2011 during tatgate) and is the most creative writer this website has. He writes with a snark and frequently sarcasm that you won’t find from regular old beat writers, or anywhere else on 11w since DJ left. They are usually light hearted pieces that are more so meant for pure enjoyment and maybe make the reader laugh a bit. I don’t think he puts at as many articles as he used to do maybe new people aren’t as familiar with his style, but he is truly one of the great writers out there.

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CowCat's picture

I enjoy Johnny's writing, but I think he's a little off here.

The problem is not Tate being confident, or that Ohio State expects to beat the snot out of everybody. The problem is Tate running his mouth about it. That is something we don't like. Look at the trouble Cardale got into with tweeting. Talking trash is usually reserved for TTUN players (see: This past season).  When you are the top dog like OSU, you don't need to project attitude. Just kick every other teams' asses.

The one exception I can see is Weber's "shit happens, bum juice" tweet. Because it was friggin hilarious.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Weber wasn't taunting so much as he was responding to sour grapes from up north. That's always welcome.

Where Martell took it too far IMO was making it less a show of confidence in himself and more a show of disdain directed at Fields. Like I said a couple of weeks back, if he had talked that way about a high school QB recruit instead of  a possible transfer, no one would have liked it. 

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0H-10's picture

Yeah, some of us were even tired of Zeke's 'feed me' routine. I disagree with Johnny's implication and stereotype.

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cemitchell20's picture

That's your opinion. Others have their own. Who is your "we"? Because it sure ain't me.

Go Bucks

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Johnny Ginter's picture

johnny alt account spotted

(seriously, appreciate it my dude)

Brah Zhole's picture

Brah, the picture is Millhouse kicking Tathan.

You couldn’t guess it was a light-op ed?

gabbagool

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SpiderBuckeyes's picture

I have the same feeling. I feel 11w needs to respect him as a Buckeye. Save hates or reserve negatives only for Xichigan and EpSECn. 

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Homey1970's picture

Yeah, like Mattison, Washington and...

Oh, never mind.

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0H-10's picture

If Martell stays, and ends up, for some twist of fate, playing/starting next year, this is going to really haunt some guys on the board. Once a Buckeye...

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Haunted, right. No one here has ever said anything negative about an Ohio State player, ever. 

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

You hit the nail right on the head steve o. If this article was a comment, it would normally get downvoted into oblivian and possible 11w jail. But heck, it is 2019, maybe it is a new year and 11w has heard the people and is moving in a new direction with a new coaching staff, a new QB, and a new year. Cheers.......

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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a.buck's picture

I dont think this was bashing Tate. This is who he is. Like him or not it is what it is. I like Tate and will follow and probably root for him. With that said i am stoked about Fields

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

Boy, I guess I was wrong about 1 thing. Maybe that is why the staff took my other comment down. You guys know I'm right.

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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Knarcisi's picture

I didn't read it that way, Steve-OH.  

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N8thegr8's picture

I'm disappointed. I wish him nothing but the best. But, stay and fight for the job!

I'm thinking that Day sat him down and they must have had a conversation that didn't go well... but who knows. 

"Play for Ohio State or get beat by Ohio State. That simple." - Kirk Barton 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yep, nobody knows. Maybe Day told Tate to stop yapping in the media and Tate got upset and perceived it as a last straw. Who knows, but that seems more likely to me than saying Tate won’t fit the offense when they’re bringing in a star transfer who is capable of doing major damage to defenses with his feet. 

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tbuckeyew's picture

Wishing Tate the best.  He was our Baker Mayfield.  And I woulda loved to see it in the shoe......on our side of the ball, that is. 

Go Bucks!

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

I dont get the Baker comparisons. I've never seen Tate wing a ball at an opposing player, or do the suck me signal. Baking vicky on tweeter isn't the same imo.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Um. maybe he is talking about the way he plays.  Go out on a limb here, trying read what was written and make sense of it all.  I know, that is out of place on the inter webs.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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JSel16's picture

Are you still upset about the defense's performance in 2017? It's ok.

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

Keep it classy buckeye nation.
Best of luck Tate.

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I am Kirok's picture

Buckeye nation waved bye bye to classy several days ago. It has been embarrassing to watch. IDC between Tate or Fields or Baldwin or Chug whoever gives us the best chance to win. We should remember deep down Fields is leaving because he couldn't beat Fromm( we can argue if the competition was open or not), Tate is leaving because a) It's a new Day and new Offense b) He felt like he earned the right to start (right or wrong) and was advised that was not the case.

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BuckAlum09's picture

We should remember deep down Fields is leaving because he couldn't beat Fromm, Tate is leaving because he believes he can't beat Fields

FTFY if you're going to broad brush those assumptions, at least be unbiased.

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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Silver Sniper's picture

Hoping Tate stays to compete and together with Fields and Baldwin, sharpens that iron like in the days of JT, Burrow, and Haskins. 

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LB U's picture

He's not. Just look at his updated twitter account.. pretty much tells you all you need to know about what he's doing.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

You’re probably right, but it took Tate - what? - 10 minutes to change his twitter page. So it would take him 10 minutes to change it back. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

Thank you LBU. I read this article first then went on to read how he scrubbed his account of OSU and is shouting out to other universities. 

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Buckeye419er's picture

Cut ties. That is all. 

I don't know what the circumstances are between Day, Fields, and Martell so I can't say one way or the other if he is acting irrationally or acting on what he's been told etc. All we have at this point is a pile of assumptions. 

I will say this however, if he wasn't directly told that he will not be the starter this season already, then what he said on twitter and what he's doing look horrible on him. That's the only 100% fact that we have. 

I personally wasn't sold on Tate at any point in his OSU carreer. Even watching his Rutgers highlights I don't feel his play translates over when we play a beefier opponent. He seemed uncomfortable in the pocket. He forced thows that against a better opponent could easily be picks. He seemed confused and unorganized. I look at when Haskins stepped in and he was poised and calm. He seemed in control. Big difference. 

So for me I'm not too upset with the events that have unfolded. Time will tell if my take is wrong. 

There can be only one

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

That's unfair imo. Haskins came in for garbage time against Illinois and was quickly benched. I dont get where this narrative came from.

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Buckeye419er's picture

It came from my mouth lol. It's an oppinion and I also said there is a chance that my take could be wrong. It is what it is. I just picked the Rutgers game because that's what everyone is pointing at as a "benchmark" for what Tate will be. Also Haskins was playing in a monsoon and fumbled because he took a helmet to the ball which why he was benched. Watch ALL of his 2017 plays on youtube. You could tell the difference.

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KCAlum's picture

Haskins was benched because he fumbled in a driving rainstorm.  A little different than the hemming and hawing Tate did against UM, when he was Mr. hesitation.  Heck if he just picked a hole and ran straight ahead he would have done better than what he did. I don't like to see him go, but based on his tweets, we don't need another dude who is mostly famous for his controversial Twitter takes anyway. 

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buckeyes763's picture

we don't need another dude who is mostly famous for his controversial Twitter takes anyway

The last QB who was famous for tweets delivered our only National Championship we had under Urban. Just sayin'...

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

Wasnt he also benched for throwing a pick?

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colo_buckeye's picture

My thought is he's referring to the ttun game in 2017, when Dwayne essential stepped up and won that game.

God > Family > Buckeyes football

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Get busy living...or get busy dying Tathan. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Huskerbuck's picture

So much for being a committed die-hard Buckeye and bring on any challenge because I will be the starting QB. . . not to mention honesty and integrity. 

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chibucks's picture

i think people like the next shiny thing and forget that tate is a very good player.

watch his performance against rutgers - he went 10/10, 216 yards, 2 TDs

i wish the kid nothing but the best.  hope he stays and competes, but the way people are making him out to be a villain is sad.  yes, he's short, but he still hasn't had issues with that, yes he's more RPO, but he's shown he can throw the ball too.  

i don't know.  i'm not saying he's the annointed one, but give him some credit and he knows our system (although it may be outdated by now).  plus, his transfer is not in stone - his name is just out there in the portal.

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NOLABuckeye's picture

I i completely agree. Well said.

FIFY

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I assume this title is a play on the movie Tao of Steve.  This is a must see for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.  More of an instructional video if you will.  Didn't realize until the third or fourth viewing that it was written by a woman which makes a lot of sense.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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RocketDan's picture

Any Tao of Steve reference gets an automatic UV.  Such a great movie!

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Frimmel's picture

"Tao of Steve" is a lot of fun. Steve McGarrett, Steve Austin, and Steve McQueen would not have Twitter accounts. 

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BbBnD's picture

Good movie, but Tao VERY roughly translates to “the path” so it could be a general reference. The actual philosophy is quite interest. 

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Ouch!  Poor Tater Tate.  Good Luck man, I know you will kill it somewhere.  

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Maybe Tate will dip out of Columbus because he thinks that Justin Fields is legitimately a better talent than he is

I don't think that Tate thinks that directly, rather he just has such a high opinion of himself, that he can't contain it.  And, his insecurities are devouring him to the point where he can't stop himself from impulsively reacting to anything he doesn't perceive as going his way.

I have admittedly done a complete 180 on Tate over the past 3 or so weeks.  He doesn't have it between the ears to excel at the quarterback position - that's how I see it.  

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Brohio's picture

I have admittedly done a complete 180 on Tate over the past 3 or so weeks.

You and me both brother. That QB1 show was a real eye opener for me.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Bottomline is he fits Urban's preferred offense. Does not fit the Day Raid. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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buckme's picture

I’m disappointed he didn’t stay and fight for the job but can’t blame him for moving on. He must feel betrayed by the whole deal, I know that’s how I’d feel in a similar situation. From the day he signed, I waited for the Tate era to begin, sadly now, never gonna happen. Good luck Tate wherever you land. I hope you tear it up. 

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

He shouldn't feel betrayed in the least. In most areas of life I believe in rewarding loyalty and giving people their turn after they've waited, but in sports it's a different matter entirely. Football is a competitive sport, and no one should ever be given anything without earning it. Day brought in Fields because he sees Fields as the Buckeye's best chance to win a lot of games and compete for trophies, because Day is ultimately responsible for doing right by the Ohio State football team, not one player. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Tate transferring is probably in his best interest, and no one can fault him for that. But gosh, I wish he would have backed up his smack talk. Even if he lost the competition, the 3-way competition between him, Fields, and Baldwin would have made all three quarterbacks better, not to mention we'd have superior depth. 

As it is, a disappointing end to what was a promising off-season storyline as well as a promising Buckeye career. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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SpiderBuckeyes's picture

What if Tate is better than Justin, we would regret that we lose him and he also would regret that he leaves tOSU. Did we forget that Justin lost to Jake as a starting qb? Did we forget that Tate had 45-0 record at his h.s. and Justin had a few loses? Did we not think that Tate were merely great or good when he played for tOSU was due to awkward or nervous and once he feels comfortable, he would be more than great? I wish Tate stays and find out who will win a starting qb here. It's scary if Justin doesn't get eligibility before Feb, so he decides to stay at GA or go to a school like Blinn College. It's not that I don't like Justin. I love them both. It's nice if both of them stay here.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

We heard this about Joe Burrow when he said he would transfer. That seemed to work out well for OSU. Trust Day. He knows what he is doing. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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stuckupnorth's picture

A lot of players have stellar high school career. He played on a D1 team against high school kids. Yes I know he played some of the best competition. High school is not college. If that is the case every player on Bishop Gorman should have had an offer from OSU as they are also undefeated.Just because he didn’t beat out Fromm, doesn’t mean he is not better. Haskins didn’t beat out JT, Tom Brady didn’t beat out half of Michigan or Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Rodgers did not beat out Brett Farve, kYler Murray didn’t beat out Baker Mayfield or whoever else he transferred from, Tim Tebow didn’t win over Chris leak, Cam Newton didn’t Tebow, Tua and Hurts etc.....That doesn’t mean he is not a ball player. Some coaches are comfortable with guys and won’t change regardless.

I don’t know what went on in practice or behind closed doors. I seen some super garbage time that he performed well in. I would expect any D1 QB to do the same against overmatched spirit deflated bottom of the barrel teams. I dont care who is the starter or if they rotate. I just want the best case scenario for the team to win. I want the best guy out there. I hope coach Day will allow a true winner to emerge. I don’t feel like guys have had a fair opportunity here the last couple years.

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BbBnD's picture

Actually, there weren’t that many D1 kids at Gorman relative to the teams they played on the national portion of their schedule. They beat a lot of teams that had a lot more talent and Tate was a big reason why. I agree with the rest of your post though. 

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Scooter's picture

Anyone else surprised he didn't see garbage time vs. ttun?  I thought he'd get a couple of minutes to get experience (other than goal line hand-offs) in The Game before "his" year. Interesting that neither Urban nor Day thought to put him in during that last drive.  Did they realize then that he wouldn't be starting in 2019?

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buckeyeinWI's picture

What if, what if, what if...

Tate stays and competes for the job, great.  But he choose to take his ball somewhere else without first 'fighting for it'.  In mind mind, that's taking the 'low road', the road of 'least resistance'.  Doing this after running his mouth on SM is a 'bad look' IMHO...

meh...

GO BUCKEYES!

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j2gobucks's picture

Fields would lose a whole lot more if he tried to go back to GA or anywhere else - he is already enrolled and in class at Ohio State.  He will either be eligible or not, but if not a second transfer would be a terrible idea.  If Tate transfers, and Fields is ineligible there is 0 depth.  Baldwin, Chugunov, and a walk on or two.  

Everything that happens-good and bad-should motivate you to be persistent. ~JT

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SpiderBuckeyes's picture

I forgot he's already enrolled here. That's a good news.

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Buxki84's picture

Which begs the question - If Tate transfers out, then who else transfers in?

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Well, he doesn't seem to think he's better than Justin, weeks of social media comments notwithstanding.

What some people don't seem to get here is that no one is telling Martell he has to leave, just like no one told Burrow to leave. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Can we just embargo anymore articles or #takes on Tate until he's OFFICIALLY not part of OSU? It's just a bad look. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

after incoming Georgia transfer Justin Fields wins his third consecutive Heisman or whatever.

Stop.

Fields will declare for the 2021 draft after winning two Heismans.

There's NO WAY he sticks around for a third.

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

I was really looking forward to the competition.I also said here before I thought tate was protesting too much. I hope he gets to play wherever he lands but running away after saying you were going to fight for what you believe was yours speaks volumes.

Mark May is a mental midget

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

It makes him seem entitled and weak, and I'm not sure why so many fans here are afraid to say that. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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45has2's picture

Plenty of dudes putting in time on the scout team that never see the field. Putting in time does not guarantee PT. Best wishes to him. Hope he lands in a spot where he can play and prove himself on the field. OSU is not that that spot, life is difficult.

Censores irrumasti.

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

It'd be the height of hypocrisy to apply a different standard to Tate Martell, the living embodiment of I Rule and You Drool. Some of us may say that we want a certain aw-shucks humility from our players, coaches, and team, but in truth we want to see whoever is in charge dunk all over the Big Ten, go for three against Michigan, and generally just humiliate the rest of college football in bowl games.

So good, Johnny. I thought we had a rare Friday appearance from Ramzy for a second. Thanks for putting us in our place.

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Scooter's picture

I had to scroll back to the top to check the author for that same reason.  Classic Ramzy humor.  Thought: have they ever been seen in the same room together???

Scooter

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NotoriousGIB's picture

Thanks for writing this article.  No issues with Tate.  Best of luck with whatever decision you make.

“You can’t be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer.” -Frank Zappa

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Wanted to see him do well.  He did lose me at "when we put the read option back in" though.

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VickVega24's picture

I hope the kid does well wherever he lands, but it won’t be here.  He’s had his mind made up on leaving since before the rose bowl.  Just check out his mom’s Twitter feed, the family has been pissed since December 22. It might be greener on the other side.

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Earle's picture

Well, the Tathan Era was short, but I supposed we should've expected that.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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Bucks19's picture

He’s not the competitor he thinks he is. All the Twitter BS about what it takes to play here and he doesn’t stay for spring to compete. 

Not saying good luck. Don’t care what he does elsewhere. 

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

This is going to get downvoted, but it's a perfectly legitimate take. We as fans don't owe Tate anything, he abandoned Ohio State at the first sign of adversity after assuming for a year that the job would be his as soon as Haskins was gone

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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AltaBuck's picture

Tate's gone so the best of luck to him.  My biggest concern is Tate along with his daddy throwing the program under the bus so he can get a waiver.  I'm hoping he graduates this Spring so he doesn't need one. I don't think I can handle another offseason like this past one. I have visions of Brett McTurd interviewing Tate.

“A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.” - Tyrion Lannister

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Stinson's picture

Tate's going to be competing for a starting job at another school, so I'm not sure he'll have time for all these antics. 

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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buckeyepastor's picture

Vowing one week to compete and win the QB job and next week looking at where to transfer and deleting that you are in Columbus from social media - not good.  

Jabbing at a guy for a “grass is greener” transfer move one week and showing up in the same transfer portal the next week - not good. 

Bailing on a chance at the starting spot with a HC that you have worked with for two years, because we may not have Fields available until 2020 - not good.  

The kid has to look out for his interests, because no one else will, but I think his decision was premature.  

As for those who speculate that Tate was told that his chances here were slim and none by Coach Day, for him to say that without a crystal ball and not knowing with anything close to certainty that Fields will be available for this fall would be a very foolish move by a guy who has made nothing but smart moves.  I think there is about a 5% that Coach Day told Martell that he no longer fit the system at a time when Martell’s departure leaves us with Baldwin and Chugunov as eligible scholarship QBs. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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TheBB's picture

Matt Baldwin -- 6' 3"

Justin Fields -- 6' 3"

Jack Miller -- 6' 4"

All sweet throwers-- case closed

John M Digity

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spiBuckeye's picture

I am not going to judge or bash the young fella. But, with all the potential turmoil that could be created in the locker room, I think it is best he leaves. I wish we had an insight to the rest of the team's reactions. Maybe the captains had a talk with him and he realizes he has lost the locker room.

I do not think Coach Day said anything like "You aren't going to be the starter". I think the conversation, if there was one, was hey, "There is no I in Team. Handle you business in a respectful manner." 

Nobody is bigger than tOSU. Good luck Tate.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

The picture of Urbs, Fields and Haskins at the MSU hoops game was probably it. Tate posted he was there way up in the stands and people clowned him about it.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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LB U's picture

The fact that some people on here think Day told him to go kick rocks because he's not the type of QB he wants is laughable. Day literally said there always needs to be 4 QB's on roster at all times. He didn't tell Tate to do anything.

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TossTrap's picture

I always thought Tate was Manziel without the baggage. A Gatorade player of the year is not chopped liver.

I see his perspective clearly. Tate wants to play football, deserves to play football and will play football.

Good luck kid.

First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.

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aboynamedtracy's picture

Deserve's got nothing to do with it...

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jwm552002's picture

Let the kid go, stay classy. He gave it his all and probably Day's system did not fit his skill set and he realized it. If he was 3 inches taller everyone would have a different opinion.

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BELLEFONTAINEBUCKEYE's picture

And a baller...shot caller....

IMADELOUSYPICKS

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BradOSU99's picture

I was so excited when Tate committed to OSU.  At times, I even wanted him to play this season a lot more than he did.  Nothing against Haskins, obviously he was the right answer and should have been the starter.  I just wanted to see Tate play.  

He could have handled this situation so much better, and frankly, I am bitter about it. He could have made a statement about his goal to play in the NFL and needing to make the best decision for himself. There's things he could have done to have us support him the way we supported Burrow.  Instead, he has been an entitled baby and erased all existence of OSU from his twitter account and said nothing to fans.  Of course he doesn't "owe" us that, but there's a right way and wrong way of doing things.

So yeah, I'm bitter. I'll be rooting against him this year.  He doesn't deserve the support that Burrow got. Burrow is classy.  Martell is an entitled brat.

Also, Fields has basically cost us Dwan Mathis and Tate Martell.  Dude better be legit. He's pretty expensive.

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Sanitarian2's picture

If loving him is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Sani

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UpIrons's picture

When I first saw the news about him entering the transfer portal I thought maybe he was bluffing just to get Coach Day's attention. But after seeing in the skully this morning that he's all but removed anything about Ohio State from his Twitter bio... yeah, he gone. 

It's a shame cause I like him and would've liked to have seen what more he could do, plus I've only seen the highlight reel of Fields and, while extremely impressive, just have no idea how he will pan out and wanted to have Tate as a solid backup option if nothing else. 

Oh well, good luck Tathan. Can't blame him for wanting to play.

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Tritz50's picture

I am tired of reading all the Tate bashing on here.  Everyone knows that you all would be praising his confidence and cockiness had Justin Fields not fallen in to our laps.  Just because the guy looks out for himself and feels a little betrayed by everyone falling all over the shiny new toy doesn't mean he's "all talk".  You were loving that talk when you thought he'd be our next QB.  I was excited to see what Tate could do in our offense and I'm disappointed I won't get to see it.  Best of Luck to him

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jmagersobregon's picture

As soon as the picture of Meyer, Haskins, and Fields sitting in the first row at the basket ball game (and Tate sitting in the nose bleeds) came out, dude was logging on to the transfer portal. 

Because I couldn’t go for three

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BuckFanInRichmond's picture

If I understand correctly, it seems the Martell camp feels since Tate was a backup for 2 years he now deserves to be the starter and it isn't fair that a transfer could come in and possibly take the job from him. If that's the case I assume if he transfers he will tell his new coach not to consider him as a possible starter since the teams' previous backup will deserve to start. Actually he probably won't say that.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

he now deserves to be the starter and it isn't fair that a transfer could come in and possibly take the job from him

That's what kills me with this whole thing, you have a whole bunch of people crying foul and saying how mean/unfair it is to accept Fields as a transfer -- yet when you call them on it and ask if they'd feel the same way if Fields came in a recruit they're suddenly at a loss for words as their hypocrisy becomes clear.

Shandy is not beer

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Buddha's picture

Ok - my bias is for a pass first QB who is at least  a true 6 ' 1 ". I don't know that I would have recruited this guy. That t said, maybe he is the next Doug Flutie - we just don't know.  Furthermore, Fields did not beat out a QB at Georgia who did not strike me as great based on what I saw of Georgia's s last two games . Georgia has won a lot of games recently so the staff is obviously well above average. They saw Fields practice and they did not give him the nod. Martel is right, the jury is out on Fields but it also is out on Martel because most of his stats came against Rutgers and Rutgers would not have made the MAC championship game. As I've said several times in these comments this year, I've got a feeling we will miss Haskins alot in 2019.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Did Haskins beat out JT, even though Haskins has been proven the undeniably better QB? We don't know Smart's reasons for going with Fromm over Fields, but it may have little to do with who has the higher potential. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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TNT's picture

No one comes to Ohio State with dreams of warming the bench. But no one should come here expecting to have a spot given to them, either. He was saying all the right things last week, and I'm sad to see him reverse course. But if he's decided he can't win the job, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. Good luck somewhere that they'll hand you a starting job.

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Jdadams01's picture

Yes, we love the arrogance. Yes, we love to lord it over other fanbases. But we will also have to occasionally eat our words because of it, like after Purdue this year and Iowa last year. Now Tate has to eat his.

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BucksDad159's picture

I believe this is not a done deal...the portal is simply a way for him to judge others possible interest in him....he doesn't have to make a decision until Spring ball and the Fields situation could drag until that timeline...if Fields doesn't get a waiver for some reason... Tate will be suiting up for the Buckeyes because it would be crazy for him not to put his stake in the ground when he would be given a year to light it on fire like he believes he can....my daughter goes to OSU and sees him on campus regularly and says he is a beast....Kyler Murray isn't over six feet and he tore college up this year...this will turn out to be more of a FIT issues with Day's offense more than anything else if Fields does get his waver....all the best to Tate either way...the kid has Earned it and we adults should give him a bit of a pass after two years of being a team first guy even though his fire burned...let's not help the negative view of our fan base...Good luck young man...overall you have been a great teammate.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I think you put too much faith into this getting fixed. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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GlenBuck's picture

I still think Tate is a baller.  Urban always said he had huge competitive spirit.  He'll do well somewhere, if not OSU.

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TNT's picture

His competitive spirit is gushed by his actions, not his words/tweets. He said all the right things, and will ultimately choose to do what is best for him (and I wish him the best), but if he leaves he will prove Urban was wrong about his willingness to compete.

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TNT's picture

I'm not sure how "measured" became "gushed", but you knew what I meant... Damn autocorrect.

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Johnny Ginter's picture

btw this is a little bit of important context for those who don't watch the simpsons as obsessively as i do

AltaBuck's picture

Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers

“A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.” - Tyrion Lannister

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esap153's picture

I was hoping he would stay and try to win the job, but he should have to earn it by being the better option. Saying that you don't care if Fields comes, you're gonna win the job regardless, then transferring as soon as Fields is on campus is kinda ridiculous, it doesn't make you LOOK confident no matter what you sound like.

Can't fault Ryan Day or the Buckeyes for bringing in Fields, the dude is highly coveted for a reason. Plus they needed a fourth QB anyway and apparently the 2019 class is limited on talent.

I don't get why you would transfer in his situation, though. I don't see how you could get a hardship waiver, I mean it's not like there was a coaching change right after he signed, being tricked in the process. If you can't get a hardship waiver, why not stay, try to win the job, if you don't then graduate and transfer for your last year or two of eligibility like Joe Burrow did, that way you can start immediately. Being the backup for a year wouldn't be a bad gig, I mean if you'd have told Cardale Jones back in spring camp of 2014 when he was buried on the depth chart, that he was going to thrash three great teams en route to winning a National Championship in a Buckeyes uniform, I'm sure he would've scoffed and said "yeah right!"

You never know how things could shake out (knock on wood that we have no injuries, but it's a violent sport)...

That said I hope that where ever he goes, it works out.

I would rather have a great passer. A QB running the ball is easy to stop for really talented and disciplined defenses, especially if the said QB isn't a strong passer that can challenge teams vertically AND horizontally through the air. Good teams have caught up with it, not to mention the beating your body takes - dual threat quarterbacks have trouble staying healthy. Look at Trace McSorley for Penn State this year. That and running quarterbacks often limit their game because they rely on their legs to bail them out instead of their arm, and this hinders their passing ability, being able to pick apart the defense... nobody looks open, they look for a hole to run instead of looking down field for someone to get open. Quarterbacks should run if necessary but a lot of times it's not necessary to risk injury.

Seattle Buckeye, Green Tony

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OhioStGoon's picture

Urban Meyer deciding to retire is reason enough right there for Martell to atleast attempt to try and get a waiver to play this upcoming season. Not saying it'll work but by NCAA bylaws it's a valid reason.

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

I agree 100%.  Unlikely to get hardship transfer - so still not be able to play if transfers.  Stay and transfer with 2 years as a grad if happens not to start like Joe.  Still do not know if Justin gets a hardship

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OhioStGoon's picture

A lot times social media bravado is a cover for insecurity whether it be sports related, job related, relationships, wealth wise etc etc and in the case of Martell this is exactly what happened. Fields hadn't put out a list of where he was going before Martell was running off at the mouth on the gram and Twitter with the bravado we now know was his insecurities about exactly where he stood in all of this as it pertains to the OSU qb depth chart. We don't know what's been said or promised to Fields, Tate or Baldwin exacrly but the lesson in all of this is think before you tweet...

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silverbullet71's picture

What a shit article this is. If fields doesnt win both a Heisman and a natty he is a bust, plain and simple!

Waiting on mod.to come edit from moms basement, to showcase their ultra cool internet powers.

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Art Harrell's picture

Put me in coach...I'm ready to play...Good Luck Nate...Where ever you land I will watch you on Saturday's...Thank's for the dance...Go Nate...Go Bucks

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LW O-H's picture

 Good luck to Tate wherever he ends up. If he does transfer. I know some say it's a given, but who knows, at this time he is still a Buckeye. We all love our Buckeyes.

 GO BUCKS!!

"The most important statistic, is the number of wins in a season".........Woody Hayes

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cmented36's picture

Tate Martell is cocky, self-assured, undeniably an incredible athlete and hell, even potentially a great quarterback if given the chance. He is also of the Martell hobbits from Buckleberry in the Shire, and was decisively passed over in favor of Dwayne Haskins in 2018

Decidedly the absolute best part of this article...  

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JFKBuckeye's picture

I don't have a big opinion on this situation but the same way some of our fans on this board are trashing Tate is the same thing that we look down on other fan bases for doing. A kid made a personal decision based on what he believes is right for himself. God forbid a person a person for looking out for their own future. Get over it...

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OH-IO's picture

Tweeting Tate we hardly knew ye

OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville

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OH-IO's picture

Something about his britches that resembled bicycle shorts always bothered me. 

OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville

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GraysonBuckeye's picture

I wish Tate nothing but the best and hope he finds a place where he can play, he'll make some team a whole lot better.  I do caution many on this board in regard to Fields just coming in and picking up where Haskins left off.  Of what I've seen of his highlights if his first read is not open he tucks and runs and doesn't keep his eyes down field.  I think we'll see a lot of quarterback runs which is what many hated in Urbans offense with JT.  I hope I'm wrong though.

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cricejr's picture

I like Tate.  I hope he at least sees if Fields is even eligible.  But the kid is like 20 years old and is caught up in his feelings; it's like you know things are serious when people change their status on social media! 

I wish he would stay and compete. You don't know how good you are if you aren't going against the best competition. 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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Dillon G's picture

Who is the back up at Penn State? I can’t check now, I’m busy working. That would suck if he went there. 

#walkaway

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BucksHave7's picture

Reports are WVU, Miami (Fl) and Auburn are the 3 most likely.   

I wonder if Fields is denied immediately eligibility (unlike), if Martell ends up staying.

BucksHave7

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Dillon G's picture

Baldwin gives Ohio State the best chance to win, not Martell.

#walkaway

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QBYBuckeye's picture

I wish nothing but the best for Tate.  He is a winner and will make a great starting QB for somebody.

Having said that, and not knowing the young man or what Coach Day may have said to him, I find myself wondering about the depth of confidence he actually has in himself.  Bluster is one thing.  Confidence is something else entirely.

Coach Day would have been a fool to pass up the chance to recruit Fields.  I don't think anybody can realistically suggest that he should have taken a pass.  That does not make the situation an easy one to manage, but somehow, I think Coach Day is going to rise to the occasion and put together a season to remember in 2019.

New York Buckeye

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Go1Bucks's picture

I hope Fields sits and Tate plays. He deserves his shot. Period. And what if Fields aint all that? Stupid logic making him a stater before he even gets cleared, which he doesnt deserve.

Go Bucks!

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Afonzai's picture

Tate absolutely deserves his shot, but he is not taking his shot by leaving. What if Tate does stay and Fields beats him out as the #1?  You are assuming Tate has been named starter, as is Tate (unless it was told to him, which I find hard to believe). However, nobody knows Tate's abilities and ceiling better than his QB coach for 2 years (Day) and therefore, maybe Day did let him know it was going to be an uphill battle to be the starter at OSU. 

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mynameiswoody's picture

I love the Buckeyes! I want to see them win every game every time they step on the field. I am unsure why Tate is getting crushed. He has invested two years of his life to tOSU. He wants to play. For the team's sake, I hope Justin Fields is as good as promised, otherwise we just discarded a really good quarterback...plus, I want a guy who was committed from the start, not someone who happened upon it late. 

tOSU

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lesajima's picture

He did a good job when here. Look, he may have read the writting on the wall and realized Fields is days guy so staying and fighting would be tantamount to beating his head against the wall. Dont understand all the negatives about him. I am betting he goes out and does well somewhere. Think about it. Two ex osu qbs may be starting at major programs next year. Pretty good comment on recruiting. The pacing as it is now could be fields for two baldwin for 2 and miller for two. That would be pretty good.

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NerkBuck's picture

I support all Buckeyes on the field for OSU. As for who plays and who doesn’t, we debate, but in the end, I respect our HC’s decisions...and I think that the consistent quality of our HCs over the last 70 years deserves my respect. If Tate Martell is chosen, I will support him fully like I’ve done for Dwayne, JT, Cardale, Braxton, back to Corny and Art. I love confidence and a little cockiness in our player leaders. That said, Tate’s brand of bravado, attention seeking, negative attitude toward his potential fellow Buckeye QB competitor, and his demeaning interactions with other OSU students have not given me reason to believe that he is the type of Team Leader that Ohio State has traditionally had at QB. If he chose to stay, I would bet that Ryan Day would rein him in aggressively. If he leaves, I won’t mourn no matter how good he turns out to be on the field. QB at OSU is so much more.

NerkBuck

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BuckeyeBLaub's picture

Nobody puts Tathan in a corner ...

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SouthPacificBuck's picture

Chest thumping at QB? Ain't nobody got time for that! Prove what you got on the field. Earn the respect and leadership of your teammates. This is why Haskins was SO refreshing. His twitter posts would be like one emoji.

Keep football fun

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kiddbuckeye's picture

There are always two sides and many here have made great points while others have been less classy. I think if he went out Joe B style its a different look than going out in his own style which can come across as self centered. At the end of the day if he feels like this is not a good fit and wants to look around its his right and can be explained very easily by coach change, system change ect.. I don't make assumptions regarding info that I don't have access to but can only go by the words that are expressed. Regardless of his talent and athletic ability his comments/words can rub some the wrong way. Fields is transferring in and both our QBs reacted differently and in life you are judged by both words and action. In their case the jury is out on the action because of lack of playing time so we can only judge on words. I don't dislike the kid and wish him well. Its never okay to bash someone for wanting to better themselves, yet a college athlete. Stay classy Buckeyes, lets not be like other fan bases in which we bash.

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Lisadvm's picture

He is just a kid that wants to play football. Good luck to him. 

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FireManBuckeye87's picture

Tate Martel needs to look out for Tate Martel. I get it, the kid has game, but I don't think anybody can argue the right QB was on the field pretty much all season. I think putting him in against Purdue at some point would have been a strong move but that's besides the point. He's gonna look very foolish if he transfers out and Justin Fields does not get the ability to play by NCAA. That would essentially hand the starting job to Baldwin. Does anybody know when the NCAA will make their decision? Also, if Martel is so amazingly good, why doesn't he just go work his ass off and earn the starting job over Fields? He has a legit advantage, being in our system and knowing our plays and knowing our players. Perhaps he is not secure enough with this scenario and wants to start right away. However, with him potentially transferring also leaves the possibility of having to wait another year before being eligible, so this is not a slam dunk any way it goes. Remember this same guy has changed his mind many times, shoot he committed to Washington when he was 14, then went the Texas A&M route, then changed his mind again and committed to us. I don't think any of us can sit here and say he "should" do this or he "should" do that, because things are not always what they seem, and there are always a lot of unknowns. Whatever the case may be the future does look bright here at TOSU, but I'd certainly love to know at least one of these studs will be our QB next season!

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IHadToGoogleArchiesMiddleName's picture

Looks like Martell is with Pete Werner and Haskell Garrett today based on his Instagram.. I would assume those two would be in Columbus but it's certainly not a guarantee seeing that Garrett went to school with Martell and is from Vegas. Interesting to see though, given the circumstances

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

He still has friends on the team. If you have lunch with Tate it doesn't mean you're leaving OSU too. I wouldn't worry about it.

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IHadToGoogleArchiesMiddleName's picture

Beantown - I didn't intend it to mean that they were also leaving, just that it was interesting that he was in Columbus when so many people were speculating he wasn't going to return for school etc.

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

I’m ready to stop talking about him. 

Topics to move on from and never revisit:  1) ZS and CS 2) Tom Herman 3) Little Man Tate 4) Why Zeke didn’t get the ball more against MSU 5) Whether JT would have led us to the NC if he wasn’t injured 

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Tresselball4life's picture

We all knew Haskins did not fit the Urban system.  Urban wanted Tristan Wallace and Wallace decommited and got lucky when Haskins called Urban and wanted a chance.  All the other QBs, Burrow and Martell were the kind of QBs Urban wanted but he is gone and so are his QBs.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Well, I suppose Harbaugh might be able to get back at us for poaching his coaches ...

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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sanbuckeye's picture

He earned the right, he put in his time, he deserved a shot. And what about Keandre Jones and all the other guys that have not become starters at OSU. Guys who do everything asked of them, but don't act entitled and whine about how they could be starting somewhere else other than OSU? I have no problem with him transferring and looking to expunge his connections with OSU. But, I really don't have any sympathy for this argument about him not getting what he deserved or being treated unfairly. He had an opportunity to compete for the position and chose not to. That's his decision, and hope he moves on now to somewhere that is better suited to his needs. What I'd like to see is more articles about guys that quietly work hard to help their team even though they may not be first on the depth chart.

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jbk's picture

Martel's a qb, so he's cocky to begin with. You have to be. He was undefeated in high school at Bishop Gorman, the showcase program in Nevada. Highly recruited and fought over. Food for the ego enrichment process. So he comes to OSU with a butt load of talent and a swagger to match it. Which is exactly what Meyer wanted in a run and gun qb. I wonder if things would have worked out for him had Meyer not been emersed in all that drama and had stayed. But that is what happened and it changed everything for him. It ushered in a new HC with his own vision for OSU and I don't think Martel was as big a part of it as he was in Meyer's. Based on how Day has handled the transition, I suspect that Martel was given notice.  It sucks for him but he needs to gather all that swagger and confidence and take the "Tate Martel Show" on the road and find a suitable home for it.

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Mitoja7's picture

Goodness!! Some of y’all need to leave Tate alone!! We don’t know if he’s leaving or not. Hopefully he will stay.  The dude is a Baller.   with a lot of the comments I see on here it’s like no one wants him to compete for the starting job!  Let’s route him on Tuesday with the buckeyes and make our team better! And can anyone give me a time that they have seen Tate on actual game day and be terrible on the field?? I don’t think so we want him around!

Dogbuckeye

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