Not mad about it. Let's get to work!
He hasn't been a world beater but he has been pretty solid in his time on the field
Keep Calm and Buckeye On
I think anytime you get a db with experience to return it is a win
Same with the QB position. Shame we couldn’t petition the NCAA for 1 more year of JTB. Could’ve saved Buckeye Nation from the Haskins era completely. #1moreYear!
Agreed. I mean, JTB was 38-6 in his Buckeye career. What a total loser! Who would lose 6 games in a 5 year period? Anything more than 1 loss in that span of time means you’re crap and you deserve to burn in hell....
tOSU record 7 years of Urban Meyer Era: 86-9.
JTB went: 38-6 = 86%
All other QB’s: 48-3 = 94%
2/3’s of the losses in the ledger during this chapter of Buckeye football came on Barrett’s watch. But keep convincing yourself JTB is best thing that ever happened to Ohio State. Build him a statue.
JTB is the only 4-0 QB in the history of the game , and chances are we don't see anybody else joining him in that club in our lifetimes.
"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H
We are some of the most spoiled fans hahahha. We are debating the merit of JTB who is a legend and was immediately followed by Haskins who was generational tallent. They both can be good lol, its not a dichotomy.
Like Haskins wouldn't have been 4-0 if he had the chance. J.T. was just in the right place, at the right time. I still thoroughly enjoyed watching him play here.
Just more opportunities
"JTB is the only 4-0 QB in the history of the game"
Most overrated stat in the history of Buckeye football. We won those games despite his poor performance in every one, not because of him. Troy Smith had more passing yards in 2006 against #2 UM than JT had in his last 3 UM games combined.
Game set match right there, I like and appreciate JT but if you have even the slightest football IQ his limitations were very easy to spot and if you think his immediate predecessor wasnt a far superior talent than you probably aren't fit to even coach a 10 year old pee wee team
^ best post ever ^
Because other guys will be too busy going to the NFL instead of sticking around for 5 years
Record doesnt lie.
Ball don't lie. Charles Barkley says J.T. sucked.
I bet he did suck at basketball
And your contribution to that record is? I'll wait to hear something other than consuming an entire plate of tower nachos, extra cheese, without staining your mother's couch
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
Geeze, Yoda, even with the sarc font you 've got some haters! I'll offset one of them!
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
Not hard to win with NFL starters around you
Here I am enjoying the fact that I get to sleep in on a day off and you got my blood pressure up so much that I was going to respond to your brilliant post. Thankfully I have come to my senses with the realization that any retort would only embolden more insanity. Have a nice day.
A joy which death alone can still.
All other QBs under meyer had a better winning percentage
Not the same. . . JT ran out of eligibility. . . And just because Arnette comes back doesn’t mean someone will miss out which is what I think your sarcastically insinuating.
Hes going to take snaps from somebody...
And it's a shame we have these ads on 11W. They are absolutely clueless up there. Who would want this junk?
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Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
get off Michigan sites and I am sure those adds wouldnt come up.....cookies...
LOL. I don't go there, Ricky, it's just the arrogant TTUN chumps who think they can sell M gear to OSU champs.
Why is it that some people feel the need to criticize, belittle, and trash kids who have come to Ohio State to play football and give it their all? JT did what was asked of him - and gave his heart and soul to Buckeye Nation. I respect and appreciate everything he did for us. I'll always remember him putting the team on his back and carrying us to a win at Penn State. If some feel it necessary to be upset at that, they should be trashing the coach who made the decision to play him, not JT. What happened to the "Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye" motto? I feel it is so much better as a fan to show respect and appreciation to these young men who come to OSU, instead of the disrespect and even hatred that so many on here seem to express. I've said my two cents worth - I'll show myself out and not stick around to argue the point further.
Why would you be mad about a CB returning with significant game experience when he was likely a NFL pick? Or is this just what the cool kids are saying these days?
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Some on this site were underwhelmed and calling for okudah, wade, and another young guy to get the reps. I think Arnette is not a #1 corner but a great 2nd or 3rd option
Some people think tOSU has NFL 1st rd standards & talent at cornerback. They feel Damon Arnette is a notch below that. Even those that appreciate him as solid are willing to roll the dice while faithfully believing that one of the young bucks (Marcus Williamson, Sevyn Banks, Tyreke Johnson.... ?) someone in that room may have star potential if they are provided the reps he absorbs from the group.
Why didn’t you use this as your first comment? Bringing JTB into a story about a dB returning is irrelevant. It’s been two years, it’s time to let it go. Go Bucks
Probably drawing the connection that JTB "stole" reps from Haskins and we were denied two years of a great QB. When in actuality it was Urban who stole the reps from Haskins. #stillloveyoucoach #loyaltoafault
I get it. You do realize that if Haskins didn’t have the greatest year of qbing at TOSU this year he would have probably came back for another year. Urban rolled the dice and lost. But urban also is the reasons he flipped and became a buckeye. Hind sight twenty twenty. JT was not the right choice. He did his best. He was and still is always a Buckeye. I’m tired of hearing about it. Blaming JT for a coaches decision by someone who has no clue how to run a division I juggernaut football program burns my backside. To the true Buckeye fans. Go Bucks
I love your last two posts.
I love this post. A very poignant and classy STFU. Time to stop whining about 2017 as the calendar now reads 2019, and both the QB and the coach that started him are gone. Soak in a tub with some B&J’s and when you get out, shove a manpon in, buck up, and be a good fan. If this was offensive to you, good, it was supposed to be. Stop whInning like a prepubescent teenage girl.
Clearly some find it necessary to live in the past
Blessed to be a Buckeye
He may be a completely different player with better coaching. There are advantages if we can rotate DBs. Glad to have him back to compete.
I think he feels he can better his draft position with being willing to roll the dice with a new DB coach to see if he can have a better year. Either that or he loves his teammates so much and he wants another crack at CFP.
Possible for sure, but given that he has now been under the tutelage of Coombs and Johnson, one has to wonder when he will start showing out more often. He has flashes, but inconsistent.
"I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes
Coombs for 3 years wasnt enough? Hes slow. You cant fix that
Blitz him more. See if he can make tackles in the run game. In pass pro, please Damon turn and find the ball. Get some interceptions, not PI calls.
I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.
Cris Carter seems to have a lot of influence on players deciding to stay or go.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Yeah, I was just wondering who he has been counseling to move on to the nfl? Seems like al the returners are mentioning CC.
I wonder if CC still wishes he had been able to play his senior year. Maybe that's why he's counseling guys to stay.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
Once you become a millionaire adult, you want what you can't have anymore and that is your youth. All the money in the world can't buy you that back Its a story as old as time.
That works for me!
I don't recall him being involved with these decisions in the past, but he sure is doing a good job so far.
Lots to prove. Lots to learn. Glad to have him back! This is excellent news.
A la Antonio Smith? Remember him? Sometimes experience pays off.
Yep! I remember Coombs speaking very highly of Arnette, so I'm excited to see what he can do under the tutelage of a former NFL cornerbacks coach. Hopefully, Hafley fine tunes him into an early-round pick in next year's draft. The kid has busted his ass for 4 years, would love to see it pay off for him in his last year as a Buckeye.
"If you're going through Hell, keep going." Sir Winston
opposite of boom
AGREED, Moob! Kid has peaked, is taking up space from younger guys developing. Okudah & Wade need to start, and would really like to see Tyreke/ Williamson/Banks get a shot at nickel. Time to move on
Agreed. I'd like to see some of the young Bucks get in there more.
Nothing wrong with a guy that wants to improve.....respect him for it.
Lol! The best will take the field. Just like every other school. If he wasn’t good enough he would be cut.
Well....since there aren't "cuts"........
Gotta love it.
Tell that to Alabama 4 stars that see 5 stars recruited the year after them.
Cut/run off... whatever. A scholarship doesn’t guarantee any playing time.
The best man will win. Having a senior return is hardly a bad thing. Go Bucks!
Damon is very good in run support.
Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0
Umm, remember the 2nd play of the game vs Maryland?? Not trying to cherry pick but that play clearly comes to mind when I read your comment.
Here's hoping coaching makes a difference.
God > Family > Buckeyes football
Remember the whole Maryland game. No one was great at stopping the run. Go Bucks
That wasnt on him. Honestly if you give up an 80 yard run it's on everyone.
(Because I couldn't edit my post)
No DV from me.
It is in the team's best interest for one of Arnette/Sheffield to move on. If Sheffield goes, and this move might be a sign of that, I think that the CB rotation will be close to optimal. If a young Buck is ready to play, we will just rotate four instead of our usual three-man.
It's been expected since he enrolled that he was a 1 year player, so 2 years is perceived as his max. But since both were thought to be gone, this might be the opposite as you surmise. They can still have a 4 man rotation, it could just be with 2 returning starters.
If Sheffield returns, that 4-man group in 2020 would lose two for sure and prob the other two as well (best case being the nickel comes back). 0 returning starters in 2 years would be far from optimal. No Sheffield, with say Johnson getting significant time, means we get 1 guaranteed returnee plus the chance for 2.
That is what I mean by optimal if Sheffield goes. This is tOSU, we will be fine either way. I hope all the guys win championships and get paid (even Martell, besides the championship part).
What the hell is wrong with you? A kid comes back to school for his brothers and to get a degree from tOSU and you're mad about it? Let the coaches decide who starts and who sits. This is definitely a positive thing for him and for the football team.
Vires Et Honestas
"When keeping it real goes wrong."
3...2...1... till this goes gray. Was graded as a mid round NFL pick when less than 1% of college players will make it to the pros. Lots of idiots on the inter webs.
Naw there just the most vocal :)
I’m excited to see what happens when nfl talent gets nfl coaching.
Read my entire screen name....
He had NFL coaching from Coombs until this last year, and he still didn’t get better. He is what is, which is a backup who happens to be starting. And that’s a shame.
So is your comment. Go Bucks
He was young and Coach Coombs saw something special in him. He’s making progress and maybe with another year he can take the next step to being consistent. This years growth for most is a wash.
The juice is worth the squeeze
I think he mean MOAB.... Wasn't that a Call of Duty term for Mother of All Bombs?
I am not saying this is the mother of all booms... But getting Arnette back is a freaking great thing... Has he performed at an All American level some of his predecessors have? Not saying he has... However, another year to develop, some new coaching.. This solidifies depth and I think he is absolutely going to ball out with Okudah and Wade... We had some success with a three deep rotation at corner in years past.... 2014 Doran Grant, Eli Apple and Armani Reeves all played... Then in 2016 it was Marshaun Lattimore, Gareon Conley and Denzel Ward... I expect to see similar out of the three headed monster next year.
MOAB is a real thing lol.
Call of Duty borrowed it..
Harbaugh sits whilst he urinates
Touche. Thanks for the confirmation and insight. Good to know.. I think I will avoid finding out what kind of destruction that MOAB does first hand. Plug, thank you to all our troops both active and previous.
MOAB in action:
A thing repeated will happen a third time.
and it remains to be seen whether cornerbacks coach Taver Johnson will return.
As CB coach or something else?
As long as he's not the starter and it just being used rotationally I'm fine with it, but he is too much of a liability with the PI calls, and hasn't improved in that regard at all.
Can't say I'm excited about this one.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
What a surprise. Anybody other buckeyes you want to trash today?
Maybe Isaiah Prince, good thing he doesnt have a choice of coming back or nah
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
Make sure to let the coach know what you are fine with. I am sure this would be very important to day.
You'll get a lot of PI calls when you play the style that our corners do.
In press man you keep your body and eyes on the receiver and "rake" when you see him start to go for the ball, reading his eyes. It's how they were taught, and it does lead to more than normal PI calls.
A down vote for that?
Damn, you guys are sensitive today.
The truth hurts. Your comment had insight that people still don’t get even though our DBs have been taught it for a couple of years so thank you for being the first one to post it.
Stupid. If he's one of our best he'll start. If he isn't he'll still rotate in and you can never have too many corners. He improves our team.
Arnette is awful
Sorry, but if anyone believes arnette is one of the best two corners on this team, you’re lying to yourself. It’s okay if you don’t agree with me, but this guy isn’t as good as okudah, I definitely believe wade is better and Sheffield as well. I would bet some of the younger guys are more talented with better instincts but we didn’t see them this year.
Nothing against arnette, my criticism is only of his play not who he is as a person
no it's ok you can go actually thanks tho
Stick to your futball. Go Bucks
I don't get why people think this is a bad thing. Experience and competition is a good thing. We just need to have confidence coach Day will play the best players.
Agreed. Okudah and Wade will give stiff competition. If Arnette's the starter next year, great -- he earned it. If not, he's a way better backup than the vast majority of teams have.
Agreed. If younger guys can prove to the new state that they're better, then he loses snaps. I think that he can improve with new/better coaching.
Day won't be picking what defensive players play, any more than urban did. You can forget that nonsense. That's why you pay big money to the new guys you hire. They have no preconceived notion of who should start, they all start at square one, don't they?
Let's hope because Arnette has been average at best for his 2 years as a "starter".
I would say Urban played a role on who started on the defensive side of the ball. He had the rule that you would not play unless you contributed on special teams. Why do you think White didnt see the field
OK, am I the only one that isn't excited about this? I think he hasn't lived up to the standard for the Silver Bullet secondary and frankly, I feel he is hogging up a scholly and a roster spot where we could have a younger guy in there getting those reps who has a higher ceiling.
You're not the only one, but, no offense, I just think it's in bad taste to go on a fan forum and diss a player for making a decision to return to his team, and hone his craft. Especially coming from a school that is known for its players doing just the opposite over its history and certainly so in the past 10 years. Let's put it in the coaches hands that the best players will play and all will push each other. If it doesn't happen with a new coaching crew, it never will.
I think it would be bad taste to tweet at him or mail him angry letters or something, but a fan forum is literally for fans to bitch and moan about the team. Don't attack him personally but complaints about his play are fair game IMO.
Complaints about play are fair game, I won't deny that. But I draw the line at bemoaning someone's return to the team -- for the reasons I already mentioned. We've evolved (or regressed) to a point where we cheer on guys who leave early, leaving voids that are hard or impossible to replace, and bitch when guys, less talented or heralded, return. There's something dirty about that to me. Maybe it's just a generational thing or maybe I need a Snickers Bar.
I wouldn’t look at a sports team forum if I were you. Because people talk about players,teams, and coaches they like and don’t like. Just because they are involved with OSU does not mean they are untouchable. I’ve never seen anyone make this same comment when someone says something about a Michigan player. It’s a sports forum that’s what people do. They discuss sports. No one was taking it personal or talking about someone’s momma
it is bad taste. We have lots of bad fans in this fan base and many of them have figured out how to turn on the computer and log in.
Players make leaps all the time from year to year, so even if you think he wasn't all that with your untrained eye, he could take a leap forward (as often happens) That said, we are talking about a kid that was projected to be drafted when less than 1% of kids can expect to be drafted. So not only do you return an upperclassman with experience, but you add to depth.
I'm going to stop reading now. Too many ungrateful trolls filling these pages.
Get off your porch, Grandpa. A fan is short for fanatic. This isn't a high-school or MAC team, it is pretty much a semi-pro club. I would rather have passionate takes laced in truth, than aw-shucks at least everyone is trying their best.
Having said that, the coaches need fired ASAP and players cut rants during the ridiculous game-threads, are where I draw the line.
Your stay here, however brief one hopes it might be, is going to be unpleasant, for all of us.
Wouldn't it be great if you could down-vote to hell everyone you didn't like?
FOD, I learned a long time ago, you're not allowed to have an alternative opinion other than sunshine and puppies. Get used to it. LOL!
JBJ, you nailed it. Kudos.
"When you help someone up a hill, you get that much closer to the top yourself..."
Good to hear. Hopefully he will improve with better coaching and adds depth. Never quite understood the logic of wanting NFL guys to leave.
Like JT Barrett. He chose to comeback for his senior year instead of sticking Buckeye Nation with an extra year of Dwayne Haskins instead. All good things!
Yeah, I think the Haskins vs Barrett argument was settled on the field statistically...
You're really butthurt over a guy who had a great career
Speaking of the NFL, next year will be interesting, as we could have Arnette, Fuller, Sheffield, Wade and Okudah all leaving for the NFL, leaving a potentially big void. Next man up!
"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir
The new coaching staff isn't going to play favorites, hope those that are sticking around are ready to be pushed...
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
This is the whole enchilada right here: if the new staff honestly values talent, effort, and performance over simply experience, then Arnette will only start if he earns it. I personally think Okudah and Wade have much higher upsides, but we'll see how everyone responds to a new staff. As it is, we are very experienced and deep, and our defensive backfield is shaping up to be as good as we thought they'd be last year.
I know Arnette gets some criticism by buckeye fans, but I'm glad he's coming back. He's reliable enough, athletic, and will have a few new people helping to coach him up for the next level. A team needs senior leadership, especially on defense.
All of our backup corners are slow and unathletic. Phew, glad Damon is gonna stick around so we don’t have to dumpster dive into these mediocre prospects. We know what we are getting with this one! #BIA baby!!
If I could upvote this a 1000 times I would.
The Dante Booker of corners
If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?
As a recruit or college player, this makes literally zero sense. Booker was a Top 100 recruit, Arnette was signed after the doctors wouldn’t clear Jamel Dean. Booker had single digit career starts, Arnette will hit 40.
This is a good thing
Yes it is...without a doubt!
I've been critical of Arnette and Shefield but glad he is returning.
Let's do it!
So Buckeye players are only welcome on the team unless they're first-round draft picks? That's complete bullshit. Dude is a senior and leader and will give us 2 seniors in our secondary along with Fuller next season. Welcome back Damon.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Spot on assessment!
Returning to the team, gives OSU the depth and experience that great teams need.
I would not say that IBSC, sure, maybe with new defensive staff he can improve, but he was graded as a mid rounder and top 15 corner in 2019 draft- what does that do to his draft stock if he comes back, faces a true open competition with a new Secondary coach, sits behind Wade, Okudah, (Sheffield?) or others, and is now looking at UFA status 2020 draft? Not saying it will happen, but all the DEF coaches who invested & worked with him are gone - clean slate - Wade & Okudah both greatly improved 5 stars...
So my issue is his coming back may stunt the growth of underclassman who have a much higher ceiling and need to see the field. If Shffield also returns -this only exacerbates this issue. GO Bucks!
Please, not "never turn his head around to look for the ball" Sheffield!
I'm sure Alabama players would like a word with you. Almost all players that were underclassmen are returning next year, citing unfinished business. Not all were high draft picks. Do you honestly believe Saban is upset or going to kick them out? No, and I think Day is the same. I'm sure discussions were had and Arnette felt welcomed back.
Good comment. A lot of people would have preferred Parris Campbell left last year because he wasn't performing. He would only be one of a long list, probably, of players who finally had their coming out party during their senior year. Same could be said about coaches that fans judged too early. 99% of you would have given your left nut to have replaced Davis with Fickell during this last season but let's dig up the comments from 2011-2013, shall we?
That's typical of fans right? They don't know a first rounder from the door that hit 'em in the ass on the way out of their mommy's basement. But if he got a pass interference-he's a bum, not good enough for osu, or their fandom. lol
If I could upvote this a million times I would.
Seriously, you think he is a leader and good? Don’t have to be a 1st round pick to respected (see McLaurin, Dixon, JT, Jamarco, Hubbard etc). Sounds like you approve the passing out trophies for .500 records and last place finishes. Go get’em
New coaching staff probably discussed his decision with him and convinced him to return to get better
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
Glad he is back, but Okudah/Wade better be CB 1 & 2. Those two look like future 1st rounders
With Tyreke Johnson waiting in the wings as the next first rd. pick. Kid is legit and should see the field as well.
I am cool with it. He has improvements to make but he is a decent player.
As it stands, those clemson wrs would tear him a new one. Hopefully he can improve some and compete at a high level
Time to coach him up.
Please for the love of God move him to the nickel and allow wade and okudah to be the corners
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
For those making negative comments just remember this kid is an amateur athlete is not being paid to play. He’s also someone’s Teammate and son, he’s achieved a Level of athletic performance at 99.9% of the people on this board could never even sniff. Think about that before you go in the trash this kid
Agreed, and it's 100% not 99.9%.
Uh that 100% stat can’t be accurate. I’ve played church league basketball for almost 20 years and average over 4 points a game.
I think I've heard of you. Are you the guy that shoots a marvelous fadeaway jumper with a 1.5 inch floor clearance, while sporting some nice knee high athletic socks with two red stripes at the top? Hang in there, Champ. Legends are made, not born.
Doesn't one guy run ultramarathons? He might be the 0.1%.
Dude who cares about ultramarathons. Did you see my stat line?
Yeah, sick stats, bro
While I agree. He is not a kid. He is of voting age. He probably can even buy beer if he wants. We coddle athletes too much. Where I’ve worked much worse has been said to me at 18 then anyone in the media will say to this “kid”. The real world does not care about your feelings, or negative comments. Where I’ve worked guys are trying to feed there families. They sure ain’t gonna let you screw that up for them. 95% of the words they say are four letters and fist have been used more than once.That said none of that is right. I do not participate in it. I also do not think we should take a football player skills and make it personal. However if someone is happy or sad someone is playing another year. So be it. We need to take these athletes off of the golden shelves. People act like someone is talking about their mother when they have a man crush on a player or coach and someone else doesn’t share same view. It’s pathetic and very take my ball and go home mentality.We can dog a out a political figure or someone from the opposite spectrum of culture and political view, even someone from Michigan. But we better never ever ever question a buckeye.
Is Cris Carter acting as an advisor for OSU players? This is at least the 2nd one to mention him
Fine with me.
Does that mean that Arnette has a fall guy?
Seems like great news to me. I don't think we've gotten to the point that kids that are projected top ten at their position and destined to be drafted are not good enough for our liking. The underbelly of our fan base has reared its head the past two days.
I dont think that's it at all. I'm not excited about this because he is a liability out there. Anytime a ball is thrown his direction I prepare myself for a PI call. I will however hold out hope that he can improve under the new coaches and become a strength as opposed to a weakness. Go Bucks!
I remember a time when I might have thought the same, but wouldn't have posted, about Gareon Conley. He turned out OK. Another year of experience, and hopefully some coaching by the new crew, and he could have a great year in the rotation.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
I hope you're right and if you arent I hope the coaches play the best players not just the oldest.
Gareon was a skinny redshirt freshman lacking confidence after a horrible Michigan State game. Damon has been playing three years and will be a redshirt senior. I get the principle for wanting to compare them, but I think their situations are vastly different.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
If he's such a clear liability why don't you get your expert hot take to the coaches so they can not make the mistake of playing him.
I’m pretty happy about this. He’s a solid player and with a new scheme and potentially different style of defense he could be great. Great to have him back in my opinion.
I think he was waiting to see who coach day brings in to coach him, I'm sure he will be hoping that he can progress his game with one more season, and a new coach..
I think Hefly will develop all our guys, from what I see players saying about him. Good to have the experience returning. Best players will play.
You win with people.
And so forth...
9 Units Strong!
What? Your post? Yeah.....I tend to agree.
Tyvis woud not approve this comment.
Nor his grandpa
He is a physical tackler. Coverage... I’ll just not comment on that.
Interesting. Glad to have the experience returning, but it would be less than ideal to see Okudah and Wade have to share time with Arnette. They're both studs. Not sure. We will see how it plays out in a few months. Hopefully, he can only get better.
Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North.
Who knows what the new defensive scheme may look like. We may go 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 or 4-3-4 or 3-5-3 or... The point is, there are some stud athletes that may get used very creatively on D.
Okudah, Wade, Arnette, Fuller, White, Riep and or Banks (heard really good things about him during Rose Bowl practices) could ALL be on the field. I think we’re going to see some VERY creative use of our athletes under this defense. Why? 2 words:
I think he’ll say to Mattison, Hafley, LJ, et. al.: “Here are the keys to the. Lamborghini - have fun, gentlemen.”
Based on what Clemson showed, we need as many skilled defensive backs as possible. Get that ring, Damon!
Based on what Clemson showed, our DBs are only one worry in matching up with them. Not saying we can't, but I wouldn't put it all on them. I'll be polite and say that my worries would equally reside with our O line.
Not gonna lie, this one made me laugh. I just hope I nailed your voice, when I read it.
Make preparations in advance. You never have trouble if you are prepared for it.
That's pretty much what I uttered after every π this season.
Behold the chunky whoop ass.
Why is everyone getting so butt hurt about those making negative comments? What does amateurism have to do with playing up to the standard at OSU or not? You either cut it or no....your vocational caste is not the issue...nor is the china man dude
There is a big difference between negative comments and being downright mean and personal attacks.
Sorry I just can’t take anyone who uses the phrase “butt hurt” even a little seriously. What comparison are you trying to make here?
Sorry, I can’t take a trekee even s little bit serious. Go Bucks
I hope with the new coaches that the corners job is an actual competition and everyone is even. No more seniority plays first. Best players play.
Okay, we have officially jumped the shark on the seniority angle. Since when has seniority been an issue with the DB’s? Hell this is the first year in how long we haven’t lost a 1st year starter to the NFL & Okudah & Wade saw the field an awful lot.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
Okudah and wade were clearly better than Sheffield and arnette but yet were behind them. Wade and okudah should be on the field at all times. That was no the case this year. Wade was the nickel and okudah was third corner.
Absolutely no faith in the coaches, huh? They play the worse players because?
Winning is overrated?
Coaches-see practices, film, games, and effort.
Fans see 30 minutes of game time, with few plays directly involving the players they are judging. Yet, coaches are inept.
If you were choosing players, like your job and livelihood depended on it, would you play the second best players?
Weren't almost all defensive coaches just let go? I'm guessing Day didn't think much of their seeing practices, film, games,and effort. Just wondering.
Just because they're coaches doesnt mean they dont make mistakes.
Depth depth depth
I'd like to see what he can do with some fresh coaching.
Gonna get downvoted for this but actually thought Arnette was pretty solid this year. I know the consensus on the internet is that the was awful but the criticism is unwarranted imo. Made some mistakes like any corner but never felt like he killed us like Werner/Borland did. With some new coaching I think he can be pretty damn good.
I agree with you about the Arnette assessment, he was solid and his only mistakes were PI's (which are somewhat out of his control) and a few blown gap assignments in run support that allowed some big plays. He is clearly better than Sheffield too, IMO, which I'm sure will mean we will be seeing Sheffield back for another season as well.
Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
He is far from a lock-down corner, but I also thought he played pretty well. Didn't seem to give up near as many high-profile completions and PIs as Sheffield. In fact of the two of them, I thought he looked more consistent, more prepared to make the jump. But it appears that Sheffield may be the guy who tests the NFL waters instead.
Okudah needs to start. That much we do know.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
I think Sheffield’s combine numbers would see him get drafted ahead of Arnette had they both come out
I am glad he's returning. Even though I think others may be ready to overtake him. I think he has room to improve and can be a better prospect in a year than he is now.
Also, God bless Cris Carter. His time as a player at OSU ended abruptly and negatively, but wow has he been a great example and ambassador since then. Seems like when he whispers in guys' ears, they get excited about finishing out their time with their "brothers" at THE Ohio State University.
Special teams? Depth? Collecting gold pants?
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
I just hope he can pass his classes without any interference, I know the schedule can do a number on these guys. Three years of this grind can take a toll on anyone especially when he's gonna have to learn a new defense. On the bright side I think he is only fifteen credits shy of graduation, but sometimes the last semester can be the longest yard so to speak. He just better stay focused so he doesn't face an academic penalty or something like that. I know that getting your degree isn't an automatic ticket to success, but nevertheless school needs to come first. Then football. Gotta buckle down Damon!
I lol'd for real
LOL!!! Nice one Brohio.
Fields of Dreams
For those of you here bitching, this is how you do it.
As for myself, I’m hoping he reaches his potential under the new coaching staff. It’s no coincidence we were churning out so many good CBS until Coach Coombs left. I’m hoping we can get that magic back.
And THAT's the real issue. Well said!
Is it at all possible that these guys coming back speaks to something bigger? I get the Haskins departure, a little confused by Weber but KJ, Fuller, and now Arnette? Maybe these guys-all Meyer guys-see something happening in Columbus and want to be a part of it?
I'm on the 'always go pro' side of the argument. I also get the 'trying to improve draft stock' thing to a point but unless you play yourself into the first or second round, I don't think a ton of money is to be made moving up a round or two. My point here-maybe these guys see something fun.
I see you Ryan Day....you have my attention sir.
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Of those who have returned so far, I didn't see any of them being taken in the first 3-4 rounds. That being said, with or without them we are going to have an awesome team for the next year or two at minimum before the recruits that Day will be responsible for start to be necessary for continued success, so why not come back and ride this thing out? Plus, maybe they watched some Justin Fields highlight tape and decided they wanted to play with that guy, I'm sure that doesn't hurt either!
They all know they can get better here and earn more money when they do. I don't think very much of it has to do with Day over Urban, if any at all, besides that their position coaches probably upgraded. But same position coaches with Urban at the helm? I don't think that would have changed their decisions and caused them to leave unless you know something I don't.
Weber departing made the most sense, even more than Haskins. He had almost no chance to improve his draft stock. At this point he is what he is, his clock is ticking and he is somewhat injury-prone, while playing a dangerous position. Hopefully he can get a second contract.
I also think Fuller made the right call, but Arnette and Hill are a pleasant surprise.
The negativity in this thread is a little extreme. Arnette definitely has the potential to be a very solid contributor on this team next year in the same way that Terry and Johnnie really stepped up this year, maybe all he needed was a new position coach. So I for one am excited to see how this plays out next year and am glad he is coming back.
With all due respect to the 11W commenterati, the way they’re talking about this kid is bullshit. He’s not awful, and he provides a lot of depth at DB. There is something brewing in Columbus with this many kids coming back. If Sheffield returns (highly doubtful), their DB depth will be ridiculous.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
The biggest difference between a physical man corner and a PI machine is the flag getting thrown. Hardest position to play in that the rules are so stacked against you. Maybe a new coach and some new ideas make him a better player. I'm good with more experienced players. Go get em Damon.
I’m with you. I know the kid has the athleticism to succeed, and I think he will.
Dude, I’m good with this. I don’t understand all the people trashing him. At worst, he is their nickel or even #4 corner. That’s depth, and quite honestly he’s exceptionally good for a #3/#4 CB.
Instead of all the negativity...can't we put our trust in the coaches to play the best ballers? I do! Maybe this has not passed the eye test in the past, but until proven otherwise, I think coach Day will play the best players.
Have some faith and keep it classy. This kid wants to improve, let's give him a chance!
Didn't you know, cheetoh eating internet warriors can evaluate players better than our coaching staff
With all of the coaching and technique being taught (keep your back to the receiver and play through the hands and ball) it is no wonder that we got called for PI's so many times. I personally don't think our defensive backs stood a chance of not getting called on those balls that were just thrown up. More so if a player did not use the technique that was being insisted on by the coach they were destined to sit the bench. I believe that Arnette will shine this next year and we will see our next first rounder taken at the draft next year. Please STOP the bashing of these kids! Maybe just maybe it was not the player but the coaching.... when was the last time you saw an emotional defensive backs coach after a PI call and get into the players face? I may have missed it but I sure don't remember that. I am confident that with the proper coaching our DB's will be the cream of the crop!
Welcome back Damon! Glad to have your leadership and knowledge!
You never get a second chance to make the first impression
Seems this past season 11W got a lot of new people logging on just to add their negative feedback of everything. Wonder where the overall lack of class comes from these days.
I believe all the seniors coming back will be first rounders next year.
Praying he gets taught the fundamentals of coverage in man to man. He lacks awareness, size and positioning. He gets beats often and has to interfere.
He is very handsy in coverage. Better suited to play inside. Appreciate the dedication to the program but was looking forward to seeing some young guys get their chance. No way he should start over 1 and 24.
I personally think the ceiling is much higher for Okudah and Wade, but it never hurts to have a senior with his experience in the room. I think DB will be a strength next year. Lock it up!
Glad to see more and more non projected 1st/2nd round draft kids return to grow and develop there game and improve their draft status. . . not to mention showing their commitment to teammates and Buckeye FB.
People frustrated with those not happy about this--let others have a different opinion than you. He was not up to snuff this year. WAY too handsy and not enough recovery speed. It's a real problem that our coaches have defaulted to seniority playing time. Thankfully, it seems like this may be going away with a brand new staff. As long as Okudah and Wade start at CB I'm fine with him competing at slot with Williamson but as-is he is not good enough for DBU, plain and simple. Disallowing opinions about players we don't think are good enough doesn't mean we aren't fans of his/want him to succeed. I would LOVE for Arnette to prove me wrong, but right now he just isn't good enough to start at CB for a championship team.
My bigger issue is the people who seem to be angry about the fact that he’s returning. I think it’s great - more experience in the room and perhaps even more success after a change in teaching and scheming!
Thinking he's mediocre or whatever is fine, but these hot takes that he somehow owes it to...the team? the fans? the school? the underclassmen? to get the hell out of there and not "waste" a scholarship, or that he's such a waste of space as to be a liability, in their expert opinions which are clearly superior to those of the coaching staff, are just being douchebags.
Welcome back, Damon. Lead the CB’s to greatness!
DA is a dog. He's fiesty and and quick. People will say he's awful, but playing way they are asked to play, he's been as consistent as anyone, is a fairly sure tackler, and if I'm not mistaken, I believe he quietly lead the team in pass breakups.
I think he's much better as a nickel guy, but I would definitely prefer to see Okudah and Wade as CBs 1 & 2, then let DA and Williamson/Banks get in on the dime package.
Under Hafley, I feel like we'll see a swift return of the BIA.
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l believe he quietly lead the team in pass breakups
Play him at slot, Shaun Wade should be CB1
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Prove me wrong Damon!!
There is no way he made this decision without being assured that he is going to play significant minutes. Very disappointed. If you want to get 5 stars you need to play 5 stars and live with some growing pains. Feel terrible for Okudah and Wade. Arnette is a liability out there.
Man some of the Arnette defenders in here are so damn sanctimonious. I'm not thrilled he's coming back, but that doesn't make me a bad person. He's just not very good and there's nothing wrong with wanting to move on. Happens in the pros all the time, but it happens in college and god forbid anyone complain. All anyone here has is an opinion, don't act uppity as if yours is fact.
Pretty sure that works both ways
There's a pot calling the kettle black. I don't see anyone saying an opinion is wrong, but some act like one coming back, can't or won't improve. That's what they are speaking to, like it's a given a returning player won't improve. I'm sure he wouldn't be coming back if he didn't think he would improve. I say give him his year, and if you don't like him after next year, blast him, but not before he has a chance to prove himself. It sounds like the defense is changing anyhow, so there may be less man press. But on the other hand, how bad can a player be if he's a middle round guy?
Yeah, but he's had years of opportunities to improve and he's shown no indication he'll do so. He's been one of the biggest liabilities I've ever seen on our defense. I personally wish he would have left so we can move on as a program. Sorry some of these fans think that I'm supposed to glorify and appreciate him for wanting to come back
I'm sure you'll be the first guy to stand up and admit you are wrong, right? The defense can only improve from what it was this year, so it makes sense he'll be part of the improvement. He'll be a starter again this year, so that makes the new coaches just as stupid as the last coaches? There's a theme here, and I don't think it belongs to the player, or the coaches. If the new scheme is as advertised, less press man, player friendly and players playing faster, in theory, the D should be much better. Which, again in theory, would make individual players better as well. We'll see. But if he's rated as # 6-10 as cb, which is no later than the 3rd round, just how bad can he be?
I admitted I was wrong when Webb turned out to be pretty good his senior season. And you cant just magically assume he'll get better with a different scheme. Coombs couldn't even help this man ffs
Also, he's projected that highly in part because of his measurables. Teams love drafting based on potential and physical tools rather than actual skillset sometimes.
So a mid to later round NFL corner is in the top 1% of all college CB's and that makes him a liability because.... crickets. And we are so certain that younger guys are so much better who we haven't actually seen play a single down yet because.... more crickets. And it's a terrible thing that he will 'take up a scholarship' as a 5th year senior on a defense with ALL NEW COACHES who might be thrilled to have a guy with years of top 1% performance to start if he proves himself top 3 CB or fill in and help the younger guys prepare if he doesn't because.... dead silence. Corner is a position where you get beat nearly as often as you win, since the other guy is on scholarship too and he actually knows in advance where the ball is going. If you can top .250 non-catch, you are serviceable. If you top .300 you are very good. Above .350 and your a first rounder. While these actual numbers are made up, they illustrate the difficulty of the position and the small margin between decent and great.
Just like the band, weak.
He was TERRIBLE under Coombs and terrible under Johnson. He has NO instincts and doesn’t make plays. 3 years of continuos opportunity and nothing. Aside from his gimmie INT vs NW, what else has he done besides blow his assignments, get flagged and make no plays on 50/50 balls. He was even assigned #46 during spring ball by Urban for punishment. Gotta give the other kids s chance. I hope the new staff will.
The fact that he is ESPN’s 6th ranked corner speaks volumes. Don’t understand the negativity.
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For those ho-humming this news because "Wade and Okudah are better", they understand nothing about depth and experience. Anybody can go down at any time. You don't want the situation we had at Safety this year. Arnette has been and will be a solid contributor.
Thanks for another year in Buckeye nation!
With all the early departures the past few years it's nice to have him back and add some depth and experience to our secondary.
"The Edge is where average stops and elite begins"
Good. Now make us proud and work your ass off.
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Christ - W.T.F. is wrong with some of you? Trashing Tate Martell, now throwing shade at Damon for coming back to play his senior year.
HINT: You're not a fucking professional talent scout, you're not a football coach, and you're not a professional analyst! You sit on a couch, watch some games on TV followed by some post game shows and think you're now highly qualified to assess a player's heart, what happened in their lives like you were actually there, cast shadows on their own personal decisions, break down game films and assess their playing ability. How about you take a big gulp of S.T.F.U. soup, sit back and appreciate these kids want to play at the greatest university for 1 more season!
Straight up, Arizona!
He has to work on keeping his hands off of guys. He has a terrible habit of that, even when it’s not a close play and necessary. I’ve been a critic of his, but I’m glad he’s coming back. That said, he needs to take another step, and as other have said, the best players play.
His play on the field has been TERRIBLE. If you have watched the opportunities this kid has been given the last 3 years, it’s evident he has no instincts and ability to make plays. If you diagree with my point, give me an example aside from his gimme INT vs NW. He hasn’t done enough and there are better kids on the bench that should be playing over him or given the chance.
I hope the new position coach takes a page from Clemson or Bama and plays the best because of skill, not seniority.
Think I've seen enough of the player trashing around here, it's been going on for far too long. These comment sections aren't even worth the read anymore.
18 Saturdays till kickoff
I would have liked to see Damon at safety opposite Fuller. White is obviously the guy there but I think Arnette would have excelled in that spot
Happy to have Damon back.-win for Ohio State!
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People are getting down voted because they are happy he's returning. Classic.
It is just before dinner, maybe they’re hangry.
There ain't enough Snickers to go around tonight!
The comments on this article were nauseating. He wants to get better. He has pride in his university. And cares about his teammates. Well done on all counts, Damon. Does he grab too much? Yes. But he is a pretty sure tackler on a team that had major issues tackling. He has a bulldog attitude, which is good in a DB. And he battles receivers. All good stuff and there is no assurance that the other guys will stay healthy.
Glad to have him back!
Its good to see so many of these guys want to come back and turn things around after a difficult year for the defense(By Ohio State standards). Depth is always important, and with better Coaching he can be a key contributor next season.
Maybe I live in a world disconnected from the average person on Twitter but I thought Damon Arnette was pretty good for Ohio State this year. \_()_/
— Jeremy Birmingham (@Birm) January 11, 2019
I'm right there with Birm. Plus, with new defensive coaches, I have hopes that he'll improve AND that he'll sit if he's not the best guy for the job.
Glad to you back Damon! Work hard and ball out in 2019!! I thought Hafley was the best hire. Now I am excited to see what he can do with a guy like Arnette as far as techniques and fundamentals at the position. I am excited about the back seven with Hafley running the show. Now there is depth and experience back there. I believe the fact that so many guys are returning speaks volumes about day.
Of course he is. He didnt have a stand out season. He wasnt all big ten let alone all american..
BOOM! I'm glad Damon Arnette is returning. The play of the secondary should be much improved next year and having Arnette back gives us another experienced and talented defender. Go Bucks!
Hey, he can only improve and help his (and Ohio State's) cause next season.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
With 10 defensive starters returning, I'd expect improvement. How they'll be coached is the question, outside of the D-line of course. Get Coombs back and all will be fine for sure.
Him and Fuller (2 experienced DBs) is a huge plus for our defense in 2019. He obviously has NFL talent....all he needs to do is show it consistently. I would never complain about NFL players coming back....
He usually catches up to the guy who beat him somewhat quickly. Here's to hoping he puts it all together this year.
"In times of difficulty, those brave enough to stay the course will still be inferior to Ohio State in the end" -Bo Schembechler
Meh. These guys coming back have had their shot. Really hoping these young guys get a shot this year.
He still has a year of eligibility left, so I think he’s entitled to more time on his shot clock. Nobody had to be forced to declare early.
Who said anything about showing people the door?
Here is what I believe to be true. Urban valued seniority over talent. I think weve seen a lot of examples over the past few years.
So, based on that, Im a bit bummed because I think in the past this meant he is auto slotted into a starting role, with injury almost being the only thing that could change that. Maybe Day is didferent and this will be a good litmus test.
What I’ve seen in the two most dominant programs the past five years, Bama and Clemson, is that you’re not guaranteed a thing. Your spot is game to game, and sometimes half to half.
So I hope guys like Ruckert, Olave, Babb, T Mitchell, Riep, Snead/Teague, Wilson all see big minutes next year.
So sure, come on back, but hope they start at O just like everyoen else next year and the best talent sees the field, not the guy who has just been in the program the longest.
Looks like the Damon Arnette fan club turned out en mass today. Didn't see many "hope Arnette returns" posts previously. My only hope is that the new coaches start everyone at base zero when determining the depth chart.
I'm not really sure what to think about this... he could show some senior leadership and he has a ton of experience.
But I've never seen a defensive back at Ohio State have more pass interferences than him.
I sure would like to see some young Corners reps.
The fan’s two whooping boys, Arnette and Sheffield, were the two highest graded corners on the team according to PFF. Go figure.
Win win situation. He'll improve his draft stock and we get more depth at cornerback.
We didn't sign any CBs this year and I would love to see both Arnette and Sheffield return for another year and bring their experience to the backfield. remember Arnette was rotating with Gareon,Lattimore and Ward in 2016.
It can only help us having a player return who has been good enough to have several years of past starting experience. If he is still good enough to start this year, considering all the other talent on this team, he will start. If not he gives us a great backup option. All of the folks complaining that he may play based on seniority vs. talent ought to realize the coaches are going to play whoever they feel give OSU the best chance to win. If he does start it will be because they think he is better than any other options to help us win. If not he won't start. It's really that simple. Either way it's a definite win to have him return.
A lot of folks are excited that with Coaching changes, the best will play, until the guy(s) they think should be playing or starting are not, and then it must be a seniority issue. Lol!
I think with the new coaches it will be a good thing for him to stay...GO BUCKS!!
It’s good that he is back.
I do wonder how many P.I. calls he had last season.
I season my simple food with hunger
Are You really glad he’s coming? His draft grade must have been pretty low.I
So TTUN has potentially 3 NFL caliber receivers in, Collins, DPJ & Black with a servicable QB returning and here we are bitching about having some serious depth in our secondary for next season... smh... ok then. Anybody returning to get a degree and live out the full college experience has my support.
To me, he has been the secondary’s weak link the last 2 years. Anybody who has watched just about every snap the last 2 years knows Arnette has been burned repeatedly. In pass coverage. Obviously he is not ready for the NFL let alone Maryland again. Damon best worry about trying to start next year.. I’m thinking the younger talent beats him out.
If Arnette gets substantial playing time, then we have not improved in the secondary.
That's right, that's right, we bad
This is great for both Annette and us Buckeyes. Damon will be a solid CB again and will be a top round draft pick in 2020. We will get back to having a dominant defense.
Hopefully in his fifth and final year he will learn to turn and look for the ball. He always has his back to the ball because he's usually beat. I would like to know just how many pass interference calls he has had. Hope a newbie betas him out. He has been hard to watch.
I think Chris Carter deserves a raise.
Oh wait. He's not on payroll.
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
He can go ahead and leave! Like seriously what else would he do? Has he got a job parking cars or something? Does he think the NFL is an option? Why even post this?
Arnette needs to be drug tested, because he’s clearly baked if he really thought ANY team in the NFL would give him a sniff. He isn’t fast enough to cover quick WR’s, his coverage skills show he lacks even high school fundamentals. Him being on the field makes me worry that there’s poor talent behind him because he sucks, has sucked for years, yet they trot him out there every week.
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