I was pretty excited when he committed a few years ago, and ever since then he’s been working hard to get me to change my mind.
Agreed. Dude's getting pretty hard to root for.
Related question: is his full name really "Tathan," or am I reading that wrong? Because, if so, wow...
I really think the fact that his first name is actually "Tathan" is the biggest news in this story.
Talk is cheap. Actions aren't.
Anyone who names their kid "Tathan" should be severely rebuked..........................................
I’m not the PC policia by any stretch.. but are we really gonna sit here and crack on the kids name because he is no longer a Buckeye.
30 days ago you would have gladly carried Tathan’s bags at the airport, now he’s a jerk with a funny name.
Exactly. The bitterness here sometimes is hilarious to me. It’s HIS life.
"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
- Cardale Jones
I would up vote you twice if I could Mo
Wherever you are, there you be!
I don't carry anybody's s**t at the airport, except my wife's. It's definitely a different name. But, I grew up with a crappy last name, so I don't make fun of anyone's name, ever.
I feel for you, Not Sure. It was funny in Idiocracy, but having a name like that must be hell in real life.
Clearly yous guys haven't seen Key & Peele's parody of strange names at the East/West College Bowl?
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
I would not crack on it, may be an old family name that the parents wanted to have passed on.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Yeah but you're putting that name on someone else. I'm sure the OG Tathan wouldn't have wanted that.
Yeah but you're putting that name on someone else. I'm sure the OG Tathan wouldn't have wanted that.
Come on really? You do realize that there are people out there named Richard that go by Dick? Right?
Lagow of it.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
People weren't exempt from giving kids stupid names 150 years ago or whenever................sometimes you need to think for the future good of the child.
Like Frank Zappa naming his kids Moon Unit, Diva and Dweezil. has a fourth named Ahmet which gives him one normal name.
I wonder if he was named after Ahmet Ertegun? Nothing like kissing up to the most powerful man in the biz at the time.
Nothing wrong with the name. It was the name of a Celtic saint, from Ireland, but who ended up in Wales. It wouldn't be unusual for someone with Welsh heritage, to have a Tathan in their family tree (I have three in mine!), if they go back further enough. Yes it might be a bit archaic, but it's a legitimate name.
Out of darkness cometh light
All of that might be true -- though I wouldn't know, as, despite knowing several people of Welsh and Irish descent (or having immigrated from Ireland), I've never heard that name before. But it's 2019. And it sounds like someone just modified "Nathan" in a half-baked attempt to be creative.
All names are "legitimate." Doesn't mean that you should give them to your kid.
All hat, no cattle.
"You're welcome for the house I built."
But how could he do that without Fields aver taking a snap at OSU ? Even in practice ?
(cue in .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
Pretty safe to assume Fields got some sort of guarantee he would the starter barring unforeseen circumstances
No way. If a coaches ever promises anyone a starting job you need to run like hell. That's a pretty massive red flag.
Not a chance in hell, for lack of wanting to phrase it any other way.
"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."
Haskins knows them both, pretty sure he let Fields know he'd have no problem beating out Martell.
Seriously doubt it. If any guarantee was given it might have been that the direction of the offense is not going back to what was in place with JT Barrett so that it would emphasize the pass much more than the run. That same message may have also been given to Tate and given his excitement stated in a Twitter post a few days ago at the old RPO structure coming back once he heard that he may have had a change of heart about staying.
I'm surprised he is transferring after the comments he made. Sounded like he was ready to compete and battle for the job. Oh well, best of luck to him.
“Don’t swing and miss” Tate! Big words and actions from a small man that lacks confidence in his ability. Will probably go to WV where he can run around in circles and lob passes around like Will Grierer
The guy is a lot better passer than a guy like Jt Barrett. I am sure he will be fine wherever he goes.
The disdain for this kid amongst Buckeye fans is equally amazing and disappointing.
Martell has been all Buckeye since he committed. I don't think for a minute that he is afraid to compete. He has a right to be angry &/or disappointed that UM retired. I think he has been told by Day that he is not a good fit for the offense OSU will be running. Frankly, I'll be really disappointed if he doesn't stay.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
"The recipient of Oyster's ONLY down vote".
Has anyone ever entered the portal and stayed put since its inception?
Best wishes and happy trails, Tate.
Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....
Right? I am disappointed that the fan base decided to shit on someone who actually committed to OSU versus someone who said "OSU? Nah I'll go to Georgia"
He was not recruited by Ohio St. That point has been many times over the past couple of weeks. He didn't become a big time recruit until his senior year, and by that point, Ohio St was all in on Emory Jones.
While I am sure he wants to demonstrate that he can throw the ball and make it to the pros it seems like a team like Georgia Tech would be a perfect fit. Imagine him in the triple option. Imagine him even more back when Calvin Johnson was there as a receiving option. However, with Paul Johnson retiring I wonder if they will stay with the triple option.
The new GT coach has already stated that he wants to move away from the triple option to a "modern" offense. I see Tate as Manziel without the addiction/laziness issues. The players & coaches have always raved about his elusiveness in the pocket. Unfortunately, he is a short dude & that handicaps him in the eyes of a lot of coaches. He was always Meyer's guy & Meyer loved the zone read. Day hired an O.C. that likes to throw it deep - more of an RPO guy vs. zone read. I think Martell sees the handwriting on the wall. Too bad, I think Martell got screwed re: his program expectations.
You can not blame him for looking at his options. I hope he stays to compete in the spring.
who knows? Maybe Day and staff went to him and asked him if he would consider a position change? or a gray shirt year?
Or they told him they are not going back to an RPO offense.
Hey, the guy was a good teammate while he was here, played okay. I wish him well. Just because he will probably never be an NFL quarterback doesn't mean he won't make a good college QB somewhere!
He's just following in Burrow's footsteps!
That video clip of A. Iverson never gets less funny.
"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Is this what he meant by ‘swinging and missing’?
I've watched that guy for about 30 times and I can't believe he hasn't hit the dummy at least once.
Cant knock the kid for his overzealous confidence. It kinda made me like him more. I would have loved to see the competition this Spring between him and Fields. I wish Tate nothing but the best in the future.
Now the confidence feels fake.
Hold on there fellas, he hasn't gone anywhere. If he's entered in the portal, that doesn't guarantee that he's leaving. At this point, the only thing we know is that he's exploring his options.
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
I believe Dan mentioned this in the article, he could wait to see if Fields doesn't end up getting cleared to play this year. Then it would be his team again anyway.
We've always had the best damn band in the land...
- Jim Tressle
Nope. Matt Baldwin's. Buh Bye Tate. All the "why would I transfer, I know what kind of QB I am, I'm Elite. I'm 100% going to be the starter next year". Talk is cheap little man. See ya....
"The minute I think I'm getting mellow, I'm retiring. Whoever heard of a mellow winner."
Baldwin may have leaped over Tate anyway
“Talk is cheap” says the man ridiculing a college kid online.
If your going to come to a big school and put yourself on that stage then you better be prepared to handle it. I totally understand he has given time to tOSU, but that is it. Time. And to come out and declare himself "Elite" after not starting a single game. And didnt really prove much when he did come in besides 1 TD throw. To "guarantee" he would be starter. To "Not care to ever meet the man" in Justin Fields. Not a good look to be running off at the mouth that way, college kid or not. And if your calling this ridiculing.....Whats all the talk from you about Tuff? I know hes slow but you came out and "ridiculed" him for it.
I don't get all the comments on here about Tate being some social media braggart... I checked his twitter feed and he has.... 77 tweets all time. And a total of 2 since mid november.
Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month
He purchased followers a few years ago. That stinks.
Hey Doug, just wanted to know how you know Tate purchased followers. I am not a social net guru. Not saying he didn't or you are wrong, just curious (and FYI I think twitter is the bane of any athlete, or person, it has NEVER benefited anyone, just hurt them)
I was wrong on that, dang it, kardashians
Tony, it was in the news. I honestly don't remember what news but you can google and try to find. I will try to find it tonight.
247 sports. ..." Google Tate martell buys"
Exactly! And the “little man” comment... cheesy and sad.
Bud, he is gone.
He has removed everything related to Ohio State from social media accounts. Sorry to see him go, but I'm sure he was told the direction of the offense was not going to favor him. Hope he has great success except against the Buckeyes.
Maybe he was told he didn't fit and wouldn't start. Of course the digital age means let's all jump to conclusions.
I think this is the case. I thought it was presumptuous of him when he said they were going back to the JT style spread option next season. Maybe that was before Urban officially retired, I can't remember
That was fear, worry, and concern you heard.
Maybe. maybe not. Day may have told him that he was no longer a good fit.
The sad thing here is how 11w fans have trashed on him. I wouldn't want to play for ya'll either. No clue why people hate him so much... what has he done other than sacrifice for the team constantly and give it his all in-spite of not even playing?
imho martell > fields. but regardless, not sure why yall have so much hate for him. Even if he was terrible why such vitriol? My guess is it just goes back to when he was battling for the starting job and yall wanted DH over Tate and then in the echo chamber came up with all sorts of bogus reasons to dislike the guy because he was battling the guy you wanted.
11w can be a pretty terrible cross section of fans when it comes to supporting players or coaches when we really have no idea what is happening behind the scenes. Like the bill davis thing... who knows how much of the coaching and scheme was on him.
Anyways, I hope he goes to USC where Urban can coach him again.
First, it was never a question of Haskins vs Tate. Once Burrows transferred, anyone with eyes and a brain knew whose team it was. I for a second was wondering why you were so defensive about Tate until you made the Martell > Fields comment (dumb). Fields is an elite runner and passer and built like an NFL quarterback, Tate is 5'10 200 lbs and has a very questionable arm. Anyone that would think Tate could be better than Fields right now is just a homer.
To your first point though, I don't think anyone trashed Tate until he started running his mouth at Fields. As a fan of Ohio St why would I want some unproven player running his mouth in an effort to keep talented players away from the program? Now that he has announced a potential transfer I could tell his talk was probably just insecurity and he didn't want the competition.
Go for two only because you can't go for three
I really liked Tate at first, he was actually encouraging other QBs to come to OSU when he was still a recruit.
I also can't blame him one bit for feeling pissed off or betrayed, seeing Haskins calling him little bro one week and then sitting with Fields and Meyer at a basketball game the next week.
I would like to see him stay and compete but I think anyone with any football IQ who's seen both of them play knows that Fields is the clear favorite to succeed here.
Tate's an extremely talented athlete and could put up crazy numbers in the right situation, but with Day and his new OC, I don't think it's here.
Haskins can't be friends with both??
I didn't see Haskins sitting with both.
I thought that reflected poorly on Meyer. But let's be real Tate wouldn't be the first QB that Urban screwed over...(Leak, Jones,)
Extra, very well said. thoughtful and accurate (subjective opinion on my part of course). But great opinion without personal angst affecting it.
I was a Tate fan until he went off on social media. It's a bad look for him and the program in my opinion. I understand these are kids almost fresh out of high school. However you are on one of the biggest stages in college you have to be professional outside of the locker room. I don't hate the guy or wish that he doesn't succeed. I for one know when I was that age I said a lot of dumb stuff I wouldn't have said now. I just won't be upset if he leaves or stays for that matter. Hope he makes the best decision for him.
That's a pretty balanced take on the subject. Are you aware that this is an internet forum?
I was a Fields fan until he decided to play the race card
*Even if* he's playing it just to get eligible, you'd rather the dude sit on the bench for a year without putting his best effort forward to getting eligible because of your weird ideological hangup? This is his life not yours, don't be a tool. He wants to play football.
Every fan base forum can be and is brutal. Have not been on one but guessing some Bama fans have been ripping that staff and Tua a new one after Monday's game.
And the only way Urban goes to USC is if he and Shelley are getting a divorce. I could see ND but not the west coast. Son at Cinncinati, daughter and grandkids in Columbus (yes, if he took the USC job he could always bring his son-in-law along). Other daughter being on the east coast.
It is possible for a lot of folks to be excited about Haskins or Fields without being anti-Martell.
I got to see Haskins in the spring game early on. His talent at the CFB level was more than apparent. It was on another level. You could see instantly that he was going to tear defenses apart.
We're trending in the direction of tall pro-style, accurate, partially mobile quarterbacks. Haskins, Baldwin, Fields, and Jack Miller (soon) all fit that mold.
I feel bad for Martell because he's a great competitor. He can get a starting job at some other school. He should consider his options though, like Braxton Miller, and leave the Twitter account alone. He can have a great future, but there are only 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Maybe H back or slot receiver would be an option.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
And Fields is a lot more than "partially mobile"
Fields is an ELITE ATHLETE ^. Lol i was thinking the same thing when i saw "partially mobile".
All Hail Urbz
Watching his high school and UGA highlights, Fields looked to me like a capable runner but not "elite" like Braxton or Kyler Murray, even though that's what I keep hearing. His arm looks like the real deal with "elite" potential. Hard to say how he sees the game, reads defenses, makes decisions and so on just based on highlights though.
Tate's immaturity across social media sparked the negative reactions from fans. You'd probably see respect instead of animosity for Tate if his response to Justin Fields' transfer was along the lines of, "It's great news for our program! He will make the quarterback room and the team stronger. Competing against elite talent makes me better, so I look forward to competing with Justin for the starting job this spring and during fall camp."
Tate's young and still learning lessons. Hopefully, he discovers the power of humility when paired with his exceptional talent. Good luck to him whether he stays or goes.
"If you're going through Hell, keep going." Sir Winston
11W in full jack ass mode, because no one wants to think about it from Tate's perspective. Dude could have gone anywhere to play. He chose tOSU and worked hard to the earn the starting role, a role that he likely would have played well. Then Day saw someone at the dance who seemed hotter and took his chance on getting a piece. I'd be pissed too. Completely wrong first move to make as a head coach. Best of luck to Tate. He'll tear it up somewhere.
Say that about Day this fall when either Fields or Baldwin is completely going off slinging it Haskins style straight to a 9th Championship.
Your opinion is nothing more than cheap talk little man. Go Bucks
Sure, he could have went to many other schools but that's not a guaranteed that he would have ever started, let alone "tore it up". He's a very good runner but when D1 defenses are stacking the box and expecting it, Tate would have a hard time doing much of anything (see the Michigan game). Without elite arm talent to compliment his running skills he would be essentially become a small RB. Day wants to be able to take advantage of his receivers by having a QB who can consistently deliver the ball.
Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0
You were one of them JT lovers werent ya? (in a thick southern accent). Dude.. its Ohio State, a place that is trying to get elite qb class after class, Tate had to been well aware that they may recruit a QB that will be better than him but was probably in some sort of conceited denial that it would not happen to him.
Nope not a JT guy. I actually think it was a huge failure on Meyer's part to keep a first rounder on the bench for 2 years. I just think that Day did the team a cold one and showed them there's no loyalty when his first move is to bring in a transfer qb.
I have a sinking feeling that the "anywhere" will be a certain team up north.
He's worked hard, but nobody can claim that he's earned the starting role yet. You earn the starting role by beating the other QBs in the room, and you go to a big boy school with the understanding that they bring the best talent to that room every single year. People acting like it's a slap in the face to Tate that they brought in a highly regarded stud, especially when we had a QB transfer OUT that needed replacing, is nuts.
Yuuuuuuup. Couldn't agree more, He hasn't "earned" the starting job just by being here the longest. That's not how any team at the top level of any sport should operate. He'll have a chance to earn the job in practice before the season if he sticks around.
Well said Scipt. If you do want not elite competition and challenge at your spot go to the school up north. (sorry for the blatant homer cheap shot at U*). That said, I hope he stays, either way, best to him and what he feels is best for him wish him the best and his salon stylist (ok that was a cheap shot there)
I haven't seen a forum that is set up to handle that "terrible cross section of fans" as well as this one is. I am grateful for the checks and balances here.
Could not agree more with Ashtabulassassin. Tate has done nothing but work hard and compete. He looked good in the limited opportunities he had to run the offense, never any problems off-field, teammates by all accounts liked him, and he is on track to graduate in May. So he doesn't want to hang around Columbus post-graduation and compete for a job in an offense that is not the one he signed up for? Why the vitriol? Given that Fields was given a hero's welcome when he made his visit and sat next to Urban and Haskins at the Schott while Tate is left hanging around in the student section, it would be hard for Tate not to read the writing on the wall.
Put yourself in his shoes. suppose you took a job at a company in a position tailored to your skills. You work for 2 years and the opportunity for promotion comes up. But then a new boss takes over, wants to revamp the nature of your job duties, and brings in a new guy who seems ready made for the job. Any sane person would at least start looking around for a new job, right? That's just common sense. But somehow when a football player does it, its an act of disloyalty.
I wish him well and hopes he has a great career, other than if he plays against Ohio State.
Well said, Wpbbuckeye!
Upvoted for the Groucho Marx quote!
Tate has done nothing but work hard and compete. He looked good in the limited opportunities he had to run the offense, never any problems off-field, teammates by all accounts liked him, and he is on track to graduate in May. So he doesn't want to hang around Columbus post-graduation and compete for a job in an offense that is not the one he signed up for? Why the vitriol?
Yes, a thousand times yes! This is an awesome fan site with some great forum topics, opinions and information that often beats the press releases. However, the hardest part is to read through some forums and ignore the hostile and contemptible comments about the players, both Ohio State and others. Everyone is entitled to their opinion to be sure. Anyone occasionally can make foolish comments, me being the first, but sometimes their so many on one thread it gets discouraging. Thanks Wpbbuckeye for restoring my faith. Its just a shame it took this far down the thread for someone to say it so succinctly.
A year from now, this won't be a hop topic. Tate will have an OSU degree, he will have gotten to play in 8-10 games at Ohio State (my childhood dream!), he will be the star quarterback at some other school (West Virginia) and everyone will be happy. Just like with Burrow.
And I can excuse Tate for some of his words because the poor guy was just not used to being #2. Didn't he win like 40 games in a row in high school? That would throw off anybody's perspective.
Good Luck wherever you end up, Tate.
I called this during the summer.
Ray Charles saw this coming.
The ugly truth is often downvoted
How could you have called this during the summer? There was no Justin Fields. There was only speculation that Haskins wouldn't be here in 2019. By all accounts it would have been Tate's team.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
Had nothing to do with JF. There was no indication that Haskins would be gone after 1 (also Tate can't throw). I predicted Baldwin was better and Tate would transfer or change positions.
There is literally nothing to back up the tate can't throw argument. Just the stigma of being a good runner. Look at his completion percent with the 1's this year. its like 82% or something unholy and he had plenty of long passes. If that isn't a big enough sample go watch his HS tape. He is a fantastic thrower.
Let me clarify from what I watched of Tate.
He almost throws as good as JT.
Can you predict the Powerball numbers for me? Because I really want to stop working.
Not_Sure, I'm working on it. Humans are easier than computers.
A lot of people called this. I called it when he was a recruit. He grew on me but I never thought he would get a meaningful snap here...I was partially/mostly right.
He'd be very hurt to hear that he has disappointed someone like you.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
To be honest, I’ve never really liked Tate that much, especially after watching the QB1 show on Netflix. Came off to me as an immature spoiled dbag. And before you give me the “he’s only an 18-year-old excuse”, his demeanor and attitude was clearly much worse than the other two QBs featured in that Netflix show.
Also while everyone assumes that he would be a great running QB, he never showed much promise this year in “non-garbage” plays, and his throwing ability has also been suspect when playing against good competition.
I really think we are dodging a bullet by him transferring to another school.
I was too.
and I was equally as excited when Justin Fields transferred to OHIO STATE!
OHIO STATE will be just fine, with, or without Tate!
16-2 is SWEET!
Been a diehard OSU fan since I was about 10 years old. That said, if I was in his spot I’d be thinking about it too. Not because OSU did anything wrong, but I’d want to play. And if fields is ANYWHERE near to what we hope he is, he should go. IMO, I don’t think Tate is anything worse than the 25th best qb in college football next year
Just want to be respondent 577... nothing to add. Carry on.
"Give your dream an aspiration date."
We don’t know anything at this point, as far as what he will decide to do. A lot of assumptions are being made. It’s always smart to explore as many options as possible. I really hope Tate decides to stay and compete. Even if he doesn’t win, he could play slot or H. Also, it only takes one play for a QB to go down and we would need him. If he decides to move on, let’s be classy and wish him luck. He put in his time just as Burrow did and sometimes the better opportunities are elsewhere. While I didn’t like the Twitter stuff, if I had his talent, smarts, and looks at his age, I’d have likely been ten times worse. He’s young and he will learn. I have no doubt he will be successful wherever he goes.
I spend the majority of my school day on 11W
Not surprising. I've been trying to tell people about his kid's mindset. His talk about Fields made it obvious he was gone.
Account suspensions-3 Commenting policy violations-0
Nailed it. Not much more to say.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0
It was when he found out about the sister thing.
Justin Fields doesnt follow Tate Martell on Instagram, but you bet he follows his sister. pic.twitter.com/jbiJwHNKQW
— Jack McGuire (@JackMacCFB) January 7, 2019
High and tight boo boo
Wow. Shes smoking hot!!
The juice is worth the squeeze
Except she's all silicone injections.
"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin
She's a bit sleazy to me. I wouldn't want my daughter posting those type of picture to her online account. NASTY.
She's a bit sleazy to me. I wouldn't want my daughter posting those type of picture to her online account. NASTY.
She's a bit sleazy to me. I wouldn't want my daughter posting those type of picture to her online account. NASTY.
Wow how about we stop insulting player's family members, what the hell is wrong with you people
Why did this get downvoted? I mean she may be fake, but she is fine as hell.
You want a gold start or a cookie (you don't get both)?
You forgot to make Tate green because little Gamora, etc :-P
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
If Brian Kelly was our coach you wouldn’t even need photoshop
He owes me 260 bucks vacation pay, and he won't fuckin' pay that, so I figured a handful of chips wasn't too much to ask.
Odd, considering all of his big talk the last few weeks.
Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North.
makes you think a frank conversation took place recently. if day is sold on fields as the starter, have to respect him for telling tate now instead of after spring.
the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS
Tater tate is all talk it seems. I don't know him at all, but wouldn't be surprised if he was a bit spoiled as a child. Good luck to him - just dont go to Penn State
Spoiling him is the least his parents could do, after naming him Tathan.
I wonder if they just misspelled Nathan?
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
Maybe it's a family name. Lord knows I have some goofy, old family names.
It being a family name does not excuse parents in the 20th century onward from perpetuating the problem and cursing future generations. Let your kid have his own name ffs
I think it's a Celtic (Welsh) god's name.
I'm guessing he's going to Miami, Bubba Bolden just transferred there from USC, Breven Jordan is also there and was a team mate of Tate's at Gorman.
Watch 1st season of QB1 on Netflix. I think you'll find that you won't be surprised.
*Sipping the Buckeye Kool-Aid since 1995
I was surprised @ what I found on QB1, and (wrongly or rightly), it shaped the prism in which I viewed his actions and words @ OSU. So I was not (then) surprised @ the Tweets.
Ryan Day clearly is a straight-shooter. Very decisive and no nonsense. I like the command he is showing as he's taken firm control of this program.
Well, all the players that I saw interviewed about day, talked about his professionalism. How he didn't yell and scream as much as Urban but he was more intense and he had professional expectations of the players. He may have been upfront about the type of offense he plans on running, or he may have just called Tate out on some of his Twitter / Media stuff and it ticked him off, but whatever the case was this is not just him feeling like he's being pushed out, he has been told something
Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.
Maybe. Is think you don't know what you're really getting with Fields too after spring, or at least a few practices. If Tate doesn't have an exclusion to avoid sitting a year, the timing doesn't matter as much.
agreed, but i doubt fields comes unless he's been given a tacit guarantee. not with all the other good schools where he'd be the obvious choice.
I don't believe Justin Fields was given any assurances, tacit or explicit, other than the fact that he would be given a fair opportunity to compete for the starting QB position at one of the three premier football institutions in America. He's great friends with Dwayne Haskins and they share a QB Trainer. Fields has eyes and a brain and he saw what Haskins did in his one year as a starter under the tutelage of Ryan Day. To infer that Day, with the results he's shown to date, had to guarantee Fields a starting job is ludicrous. Martell ran his mouth and now that the transfer has manifested itself he's hedging his bets. Moral of this story; Don't let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass!!
The degree of one's emotions varies inversely to one's knowledge of the facts, the less you know the hotter you get!!
This guy gets it
I'd bet it was likely more a conversation with his Dad. "You mean after two years of work they still bringing in somebody else to compete with you!? That should be your job!"
Watching Joe Burrow lead LSU to a good season might have helped Tate consider something similar. Alabama and Clemson had/will have the same QB transfers.
Agreed. And I think seeing others transfer and be successful, makes it easier for the next guy to do it. I think we’re going to see more of this in CFB.
I agree, with the lack of depth I don't think Day would run him off; unless Day has another transfer coming in to replace Tathan.
yup...absolutely sounds like QB1 dad talk in action
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
Just by going off of limited footage of the two of them, I can’t think of an incident where tate has whine or complained to his dad about something he didnt get or that didn’t go well.
On the other side of things not once, have I seen the scene of Justin Fields mentioned from QB1, where he is trying to do too much in a game and has back to back fumbles lost, then immediately pouts about it and tells his teammates to get the fuck out of the way, as he goes to find his dad on the sidelines and literally tells him “ i dont know what to do” and his father has to set his head straight and gives him some good advice and tells him to lead with his mind and inspire his teammates with his body language, make them believe. That’s very good parenting and advice. I do like that Fields has a father that can give him advice like that, but let’s be honest, if that scene had been of tate doing that in his season on QB1, he would be getting dragged up and board tOSU boards for not “having what it takes mentally” among other played out insults.
I am a fan of tOSU, and i am all for us having the best player start. I came over here a while back from one of the other major recruiting sites because people seems to be a little less obnoxious over here but lately, and especially with this recent tate stuff, it seems many of you are determined to show your ass on here daily. Just stop trashing on players and family members.
They haven't had a single practice. Day isn't anointing a starter based on high school hype.
maybe the frank conversation was about Baldwin and not Fields? per EW
Much like Tom Herman sang J.T. Barrett's praises in 2013, Ryan Day got Matthew Baldwin on Meyer's radar midseason and before Baldwin's high school season was over, he had committed to become the latest quarterback to become a Buckeye.
Maybe Mathew has proved enough to Day that having that pro style guy in this offense works best and Baldwin offers more of that than Tate and if Fields comes in, so be it. Just another idea that may involve the current roster more than the potential of Fields taking it over
Purely speculation on my part, but perhaps Day is still recruiting another QB for this class. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a discussion taking/taken place with Tathan about a position change. Kid's athletic as hell, but maybe Day just isn't into 5'8" QB's. Again, speculation and I have zero to back that up, but it would make sense to me.
(I know Tathan is listed at 5'11", but that's utter nonsense.)
5’8” in stripper shoes !
I actually like this theory more as I want to keep the pro-style offense. However, it’s highly unlikely Fields comes to OSU if he thinks Baldwin is a threat.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Zero chance Ryan Day would've named Fields the starter without seeing a single practice. Fields isn't even eligible yet.
Agreed. I am inclined to think Day had an honest conversation with Martell. Our philosophy is this.. your skill set is that.. Which I respect.
Why the fuck would Day tell Martell he wouldn't be starter next year before Justin Field's got granted immediate eligibility? That makes zero sense. Martell doesn't want to compete, plain and simple.
IF and that is an IF he transfers, he has a lot a work ahead of him to win respect from his new locker-room after all that barking and then do what he said he wouldn't do. What happened to he would do whatever for his guys....... apparently fighting for the job and possibly sitting the bench was excluded. And that is IF he leaves. If he stays......... work hard make the team better. Maybe H back is in your future.
He'd be the 3rd or 4th h-back though. If he wants to start this season, he's going to have to transfer and get a waiver. I think head coach retiring and change of offense style could do it for him.
What happened to he would do whatever for his guys....... apparently fighting for the job and possibly sitting the bench was excluded.
Assumes that he has the respect of the players already. HOT TAKE ALERT: Maybe they couldn't care less if he left.
Nah, you are in the fishbowl, not everyone is in it with you. Every QB has to win over the locker-room, just the nature of that position. Really doesn't matter how one comes in, every QB has his first year with a team and first year as the starter. Chances are, he goes somewhere where the QB chart isn't deep, and players actually give him the benefit of the doubt because he represents and upgrade/increased chance to win. Saying something like this reminds me of when fans were saying, "Ohio State will play with their hair on fire because of what happened to Urban." In reality, they went out and played to the level of their competition each week, lowering themselves to the level of Minnesota, Nebraska, Maryland to name but a few. Quick take away is that the world of fans on the inter webs spewing hot takes is not the reality of a band of brothers in a locker room, as much as the former wants to think that it is.
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"To Buckeye Nation: You have my word that I'm going to give everything I have to continue the tradition of excellence and winning that this program has enjoyed during its storied history."
Uhh..... so much about a new quarterback contoversy!
What happens if Tate transfers and Fields doesn't get eligibility? Yikes.
Run from it.
Chugunov still arrives.
And you thought we were all aboard the Dwayne Train.
No thanks. While Hurts seems like the complete polar opposite of Tate in terms of being professional and a good team mate, he's just not a very good passer. I'd rather just use Baldwin.
I was never convinced that Tate would have beaten out Baldwin to begin with.
Um no! Why would Hurts even think about doing that?
Really? Because he wants to start for a team that could potentially win him another NC.
And compete with another great QB? Um. Don’t think so!
Fields ruled ineligible
Baldwin starts and balls out.
Does Fields transfer again?
"We talkin' about practice?!" -Allen Iverson 2002
That would be a wonderful problem to have.
I have no special attachment to Fields, I just want whoever gives us the best chance to win.
Baldwin puts up huge numbers.
This, Totally this. I love Tathan, I love how exciting he is when he plays. But if he's not here, I'm happy to see Baldwin slinging it.
I agree. Like I cheered for Jeaux at LSU, I'll cheer for Tathan wherever he plays. (Except if he plays the Buckeyes, of course!)
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
I don't mind QB questions. It likely means several players can compete and play.
CHUG! CHUG! CHUG!
Not really, but I like saying that.
Honestly, that guy could be our football version of Mark the Shark. What a marketable name for a guy that will not see the field.
Matthew Baldwin time!
Tate will probably stick around if Fields doesn't get eligibility.
Figured it was coming hopefully Fields gets his wavier and best of luck to Tate.
22 Saturdays till kickoff
Clearly he couldn’t back up that mouth. Was hoping he at least would. He won’t be missed by me.
didn't he just say he wouldn't transfer? Or did I dream that?
Nah, that was just a mirage.
Wait... are you saying hes transferring to Michigan?
Maybe? What if this is what TTUN’s coach was all happy about on Twitter yesterday? as someone pointed out in another forum post’s comments.
He's testing the waters; signs may be pointing to Fields playing this year and he wants to see whats out there. This does not affect the fact that Matthew Baldwin will be the starting QB in 2019.
I like it.
Tweeting Tate is taking his balls and going home.
Yo, Tweeting Tate, Twitter is not your friend.
OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville
Twitter is not anyone's friend. The site even misspelled its own name by using an i instead of an a for the first vowel.
OSU Class of 1999
Well that pretty much guarantees it. If Fields gets immediate eligibility he’s gone. Why say you’re going to compete when you’re clearly not...
Justin Fields is coming?
He's just gotta find Bubba is all
Is he doing this to transfer ASAP or can he wait it out see if he beats out Fields? I guess what I’m asking is how long are you in the transfer portal for before you can transfer?
I'm not sure too many teams in the market for a transfer QB will want to talk to him now and then wait for 4 months for an answer. He's as good as gone.
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
If Tate transfers he will need to sit for a year anyway, so schools recruiting him won't be in a rush.
I think he's hedging his bets in the event that (1) Fields is granted immediate eligibility and (2) he is beaten out by either Fields or Baldwin as starter. He is highly competitive - can't blame him for wanting to see the field and if that isn't available then to move somewhere else where he can. College is short - particularly if his play shows he's not NFL-caliber (which no one really has any idea right now if he's at that level or not due to not enough playing time).
This...really shitty of all the people ripping on Tate (look like frickin Texas A&M which is never a good look).
Kid wants to play, for all we know Day told him Fields is the favorite (we can argue that later), so let him go find a new home. He's going to be good, weird events just took place.
He's going to be good
Yeah I keep hearing this... going on a few years now it's been echoed repeatedly. Would be something if he proved it on the field, won the job, beat out Fields and gave you (and all of #TeamTater) that moment you've been waiting patiently for: "Told ya so!"
And I truly hope it happens.
Going out on a limb, but you forgot your sarcasm font.
He very well may be good and have success similar to, or better than, Joe Burrows. Just had the misfortune of coming in at the same time that a generational qb also came in and the offense was changed to take advantage of that skill. Not the first qb to have this happen (reference Bryant at Clemson and Hurts at Bama).
Correct, imo, 2488. Martell is THE most hated active player I've ever seen at Ohio State... and it's not close. Some of the people on here are so hypocritical and small-minded... kicking a kid on his way out the door who gave his all to the program they support because he was confident in himself and wasn't afraid to say so. A kid who wanted to be the quarterback here and was prepared to work his ass off to accomplish that goal is being mocked, ridiculed, and taunted by his own program's fan base on an Ohio State website.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
I thought that title was owned by Todd Boeckman. Did I miss the memo?
Is that you Todd?
Did you mean Bauserman?
Boeckman was solid. Got us to the NCG in 07. He just wasn't the athletic freak that TP was and it cost him his job.
You are correct Joe Bauserman
1.) Were you a Buckeye fan when Ray Small was on the team? I assure you, there has been far worse hated active players.
2.) And there was no "hatred" prior to this announcement, (that I have ever seen on this website or heard around town). There was a slew of you TeamTaters telling the rest of us "He's the greatest QB to ever play the game! You'll see! Undefeated at BG! He's a winner!"
And all we ever said in return was, "I hope he is, he just hasn't shown us that yet."
Don't confuse the standard of "reasonable validation" with "hatred". By all means I hope he's just doing the smart thing and protecting his future, meanwhile gearing up to battle for the job and be QB1. Like he (and many of you) guaranteed he would be.
I'm not team tate or whatever the Hell it's called. I just think this fanbase is acting trashy.
1) How many height jokes do you see in the thread?
2) Jokes about his name?
3) Jokes about his family
I kind of hope Fields is a bust just so these jackasses will learn a lesson about patience.
I agree, there is nothing to joke about there as he has no choice about those. Now, the hairdo? He had a choice (sad I had to say "hairdo" with a guy, but that's what it is). Yes, that was a shallow comment, but if you want a Deep Thought ask Zaphod Beeblebrox. (and if you get that I will give up votes forever on whatever you say). dang you can actually google it and figure it out, so I take that back.
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, right?
I saw (mostly because Martin Freeman is awesome) it was good. Never read the book.
Sounds a lot like JT Barrett, except for the talking on twitter part.
Some of these people should be ashamed of themselves. Making fun of a kid's name and family- a kid who invested more for tOSU than 99.9% of everyone else on this board.
There’s no reason to trash Tate. He put in two years of hard work for the program. I would be surprised if he transferred out before competing in spring ball. It wouldn’t be a good look. I hope he at least tries to beat out Fields before he dips.
Don't listen to Freddy P. Soft
There’s no reason to trash Tate.
There WAS no reason to trash Tate, until now... FTFY...
He was A+ first class in my book. And then he decided to go to twitter barking cryptically at Fields, claiming his QB1 throne, interviews stating he's all in with the brotherhood and not transferring... And I was just fine with it. With his confidence and his loyalty to the program through all of that.
But, after all of that, to then send his info off to the waiver wire once Fields calls his bluff? You can expect the "Tater Trashing" to get quite loud with some.
Tater trying best to put a I in team.
There is no reason to do that now or before now. I was highly critical of Martell's comments about Fields. I thought that they showed a sense of fear and entitlement rather than confidence and were not at all helpful to the program. His immediate interest in transferring was not at all surprising to me. But I don't agree with making fun of him or his family and hope he finds a place that will help him develop as both a player and a person.
Those comparing the Martell situation to Burrow should remember that Joe put in plenty of work at OSU and was a great student and class act during that time. Burrow is a native Ohioan and OSU alum. LIke his teammates and others, I appreciated his commitment to OSU and wished him well when he left. Timing, injury, and elite talent coming in were all factors in his not starting and ultimately going for a grad transfer. He certainly competed for the position before making the decision to transfer.
New HC hes allowed to play immediately of he transfers
Light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it-John 1:5 SEC meet Ohio State, Ohio State meet SEC
This rule was proposed last offseason, but I do not think it has been passed (yet)
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Uhhh, that's not a lock. He'd have to apply for a waiver and see what the NCAA says. But a head coaching change alone is NOT one of the criteria for a hardship waiver.
HC change and the new HC runs an offensive style that is the opposite of what you were recruited for. I'd let him transfer without penalty quicker than if someone who used to be on the baseball team called him a name.
But I thought Fields was transferring strictly for athletic reasons and “disguising” it, so some folks have an issue and he should sit.
YET if Martell transfers, it’s not also for athletic reasons (without the disguise) and he should play. Got it!
Guess it’s different standards depending on who the player being discussed.
There’s a report out that he’s set to graduate in May. Which is astonishing in and of itself (been in classes here for 2 years and some change??).
But if that’s true he can play right away if he waits until then to transfer. Right?
I think he's hedging his bets
If he is fence sitting, then the negative blowback will push him over. Too bad he can't do that in private. Too bad he can't avoid posting on Twitter though.
Yeah, I was wondering how close to graduating he is. Might be better to sit at OSU then transfer next year as a grad transfer. It won't cost him any eligibility if that is the case.
Well that was fast.
On the bright side, he might break Torrance Gibson’s school record for “highest word count to actual production ratio”. So at least he’s got that.
Brutal, Brutus B
I legit laughed hella loud at this. Gold BrutusB, pure gold.
"I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes
Hell, that counts more for off season interwebz denizens than anything else.
No way. Tate had some actual production at Ohio State.
Gibson never had a shot, willingly switched to receiver to help the team, and seemed to be kicking ass from all accounts. Then he was kicked off the team for something that seemed to be based on nothing but accusations.
He can f*#$ right off back to Dorne as far as I'm concerned.
Now that's funny.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Ugh! I was looking forward to QBgeddon part...wait what part was this again?
Class of 2001 - classless since then.
He looks pretty bad after all of his "I'll be the starter" and "don't swing and miss twice" tweets.
I was rooting for him and I would expect him to transfer if he didn't win the job. But you can't tell me Day told him he wouldn't be the starter. They haven't had any sort of competition yet. Interesting move.
hey maybe it was us that was wrong in interpretation... "ill be the starter" ...AT WEST VIRGINIA. "don't swing and miss twice" *tate looks up and reads his note to himself on his bathroom mirror
This is crazy.
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
I’m sure this hurts him, I genuinely think he cares about his teammates here and he wanted to succeed at Ohio State. But self-awareness is important, and it more than likely is best for him to pursue options elsewhere. Fields is just plain out a better prospect.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
This could be a pretty big loss if he does choose to leave. Fields may be great but there is a decent chance he can't even play this year. I (personally) think the offense would be great for him so long as he could work on getting through reads before taking off to run.
so long as he could work on getting through reads before taking off to run.
Tate didn't seem to do very well running the last few plays that I remember. But IIRC, passing was not an option on those plays.
I don't recall him being as elusive or successful running as JT was. Am I misremembering?
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
Reminds me of the Dontre Hype machine but at least Dontre got on the field.
To be fair, when Tate got on the field the entire universe knew he was in to nothing but run the ball and was never given a chance to show what he could do. Except that one game he got in and went 10/10 we all seem to forget about.
That said I think Fields is another generational talent, and would win the job. I just think Tate has a lot of skill and is going to put up numbers wherever he lands.
I seem remember several of those 10 passes looking like they had no zip at all. Fortunately, the receiver was wide open and was able to stop running and wait on the ball to get there... That wouldn't work against first team B1G defenses.
He had pretty limited action but against Rutgers (granted its Rutgers) he had 8 carries for 95 yards. He broke about a 50 yarder that game. The last couple of games he came it it was pretty obvious they were going to run.
See ya Tater! He was all bark and no bite IMO. Good luck.
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Alligator mouth-- hummingbird ass
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Mind if I stick around?
Pray for potatoes with a hoe in your hand.
Wish Tate the best of luck in whatever he chooses to do....
You can’t win a job that you don’t compete for. If this is true, what a lot of talk from him. He might want to rethink how he approaches a competition moving forward.
How can he compete if he’s been told Fields will be the starter... If (and that’s a big if) Tate should move on... he will play somewhere, and Day has tried to help him make an early decision which will be advantageous to Tate.
Let the Justin Fields era begin... Stay humble young man!
I cannot believe he was told Fields would be the starter. He could have been told that the offensive scheme was shifting away from what matched his abilities, or he could have simply been told that he had to stop tweeting, or he could have been told nothing.
Nobody freakin told Tate that, I can't believe anyone would even entertain that idea.
I can't imagine he would have any reason to be granted immediate eligibility if he transfers...
Nope, especially since he doesn't seem to be moving westward.
I mean, Fields case is pretty weak too but the NCAA seems to have just thrown their hands up on most of these.
The NCAA is not about to attempt to refute hardship claims of racism in the court of public opinion.
No. Fucking. Way.
I've never said I 'hate' anyone because that would imply I had any emotion for them whatsoever.
Actually I would say Field’s case is relatively concrete. The event happened, it’s been confirmed, how that may effect him mentally is subjective & can’t really be argued & even attempting to do so is a bad look.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
And they should. They give coaches a free pass which makes a whole team adjust on the fly, time for coaches to feel some of that pain.
The baseball angle just adds to his case, too. He's a baseball prospect and it's not unreasonable that he might be uncomfortable considering the UGA baseball program after what happened. Even if they kicked the guy off the team it could very well speak to the culture on the team that the player felt so comfortable expressing that kind of racism. Maybe not, sure, but it's not unreasonable for Fields to feel that way.
Well, that sure escalated quickly.
Go get Hurts, Coach! One-Two Punch can win the Natty, Then we can all chant :SEC! SEC!. IT JUST MEANS MORE" and feel better about ourselves.
not a bad idea....
maybe the AL LA BAMA OL (Petibone) who is also in transfer mode, would come with him...
Does any sane person think Hurts would transfer away from Bama because of Tua, TO a program where Fields just transferred in? What are we smoking here at 11W today?
Tate Martell is all talk. I've been saying it since he was in high school.
This certainly reflects poorly, but his stats and record in high school were a lot more than “talk.”
Yeah, if you say he's all talk, all I hear is how shallow your thinking is.
All talk and 0 losses. You actually watch him play a game in High School? Didn't think so. All talk...mmmhmm...oooookay.
I really like Tate but if he is going to be a problem in the qb room then he should look elsewhere.
just read that Bubba Bolden is leaving USC for Miami. What is going on with eligibility, etc?
Deserves got nothin' to do with it
If your going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk!!
You need to be humble or you will get humbled. - Jocko Willink
I wish him well, and welcome him if he stays.
This is the correct response.
I’m ok with Miller 2.0 as a back up.
I think that Tate handled Fields' transfer about as poorly as possible.
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literally could not have acted like more of a moron. at least wait til spring to transfer dude
And, I think the writing on the wall is that Tate doesn't fit Day's offense. If Day was perfectly honest with him, that may be why he's going.
Having said that, I've gone from Team Tater to see ya later.
What B3M said...
Nothing against Tate but as brought up, highly doubtful Day would have recruited him. Baldwin, stage left, hand picked by Day. His first big recruit, had and has. as much chance as anyone winning the job. As the saying goes, A Lion would never have to tell you he’s a Lion. I’m sure Tate was/is upset but the way he handled himself these last days...it sucks for him, but it’s nothing we haven’t seen when a new HC takes over a program.
"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody
He has actually handled it exactly how the Gen X'ers at work portray millennials, which is unfortunate for me as the office millennial truther
I just think Day prefers more pro style type QB's who can move within the pocket and run if necessary and Tate just doesn't fit that mold. He has to do whats best for him if he see's that happening now that Urban is gone.
Once a Buckeye always a Buckeye, if he does leave I wish him nothing but the best and maybe he can do like Burrow and find great success and just show how truly talented the Buckeyes are.
I think we're reading into this too much.
Is it possible that Day told Martell "Hey I know we recruited you here for a RPO offense, that is not what I plan to run. We'd love to have you come back and compete next year to beat out Fields and at worst be the best backup in the country... but if you wanna put yourself in the portal to see what other schools have to offer you... I won't take any offense and we'd still take you back if no one is offering something you like. "?
That seems reasonable.
You win with people.
And so forth...
9 Units Strong!
This is a good take.
On the run from Johnny Law...ain’t no trip to Cleveland.
I think it is a good 'Tate' too.
You mean a good “Tathan”
I want it to have gone like this.
"Hey I know we recruited you here for a RPO offense, that is not...
"Hey I know we recruited you here for a Read Option offense, that is not... FTFY... RPO is the pocket passer version of a read option, instead of the QB running he throws it to the receiver FFS. You can run RPO with Fucking Tom Brady, you can't run a read option with Tom Brady.
This is the sports equivalent of correcting someone for a minor mistake describing an episode of Star Trek.
Or it's the equivalent of "If you're going to talk football schemes maybe understand what the scheme even is." RPO = Run-Pass Option, where the option is to hand it off or throw it quick. Read option the QB's option is to hand it off or keep it, there's also, speed option (pitch or keep), Triple option (hand off, pitch, or keep). Throwing out an incorrect acronym is like using words that you don't understand, it may fool people that don't know much but it just ends up making you look stupid to those that do.
Yeah, but can you explain RPO in Klingon?
tu'HomI'raH SoH ‘e’ Sov wo’
You right now.
*fedora and katana not pictured
If there such a discussion it began with, we are bringing Justin in because based on what we have seen we are not sure you can lead this offense so we would love for you to stay and compete but if you want to look at options we understand.
If there such a discussion it began with, we are bringing Justin in because based on what we have seen we are not sure you can lead this offense
0% chance any coach would say this. Zero.
I'd be shocked if this isn't how it was handled. This is the professional way to handle (and also how I think Smart handled the Fields transfer from UGA). Day probably explained to Tate, this is the direction we are going, we really want you to stay, but I understand if you feel you would have a better opportunity to excel at another school in an offensive system that better matches your skillset. I'd understand if you want to test the waters, but the door will remain open.
I hope Tate decides to stay after testing the waters. But if he doesn't, I wish him the best of luck and a great college career wherever he goes.
“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman
Hello, Tate? It's Coach. Let's go get a steak, a tall glass of cold milk and talk!
That would be hard to swallow.
Naw, Tate wouldn't do much there either.
What!?!?!? No sleepover?????
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
No just no. I would never wish that evil on Tate.
Nah, I bet he ends up with the Sparthans...
Martell is a damn headache. It will be addition by subtraction. I have a feeling field is going to be eligible but if he’s not I am perfectly fine with Matt Baldwin as a starting quarterback. Baldwin is exactly what day is looking for. Not a big loss and it saves Ohio State from the locker room cancer
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Not even. Tate was recruited by UFM to run his offense and he would have done a fine job at it. Haskins shows UFM and Day a better way (obviously Day already knew), and Tate was going to compete vigorously to show he could handle the job (even with Baldwin breathing over his head). Then UFM leaves, Day stays, Fields becomes available all in a couple weeks... What do you expect of a fierce competitor??? He should just roll over and take it?! Of course he got a bit chippy! Get off his ass- that's the same quality that would make him a great QB in the UFM system! I seriously doubt anyone has said anything directly to Fields or Martell about 'guarantees'. It's obvious that; Tate is the square peg here, and; Fields is going to get his waiver. That puts Tate in the 'odd man out' scenario with Fields and Baldwin both being 'square pegs'. In truth, his coming to OSU was put in question the day JTBIV came back for his 5th year. Clearly time for Tate to explore options and see if anybody needs a 5* Read Option QB with 2 years of top level training and development. If he stayed, I'd root for him to give his best and take the results like a man. If he leaves now, under current circumstances, he will find a fit and perform well, with lesser talent around him than OSU. Best of luck and hope your aspirations come to fruition! And Haters Gon Hate!
Wasn't he a 4 star recruit?
Yep, 24/7 has Martell rated at 0.9739 / 4 stars.
Can we bring in Brandon Peters just for the memes/MGo meltdown alone?
Malzone has an extra year of experience holding a clip board...so either is good. Whoever looks best with a ball cap on backwards can decide it.
What about all this I’m not afraid of competition? Man up son.
Could he just be testing the waters to see where he could go? Can't blame him the kid just wants to play ball.
Not surprised. We shall see where this leads.
Feed the trolls
lmao see ya never, loser
With a comment like that, I wonder who the actual loser is.
absolutely no question i'm a loser, but i don't post guarantees on twitter that i'll stop being a loser come fall camp
I'd say that this is a good indication that Fields receives NCAA clearance in 3...2...1...
Tate doesn't have inside info from the NCAA. We all assume Fields will be cleared, but it's still not a guarantee.
So much for his tweets about not going anywhere! If true, it could signal an end to the "Read option" offense that was the cornerstone of the Urban Meyer offense. I wonder if any of the current Tight Ends can be converted into fullbacks?
Tathan? I'd transfer my name if I was him
Not here to troll...Go Blue
Under the radar top comment right here.
Someone said Tathan is something Mike Tyson would say
He’s a victim of very “clever” parents.
So much for all his talk about being a Buckeye, not afraid of a challenge and will win the QB battle.
Gonna wait to see how this turns out but Good Luck to him either way.
This is what happens when a kid that has never had to work for anything and had never been told no suddenly realizes he’s going to have to compete and he just doesn’t have the balls to do it. All that talk all that bravado was just smoke.
This is what happens when a kid that has never had to work for anything
say it again for the people in the back
That's quite the assumption on somebody you don't know.
I would normally agree, but watch him for a few minutes in "QB1" and its pretty hard not to come to a similar conclusion.
I too was kind of disappointed with what I saw on QB1. I hoped it was just complete immaturity but then the kid really expected his dad to buy him a new camaro instead of the family car they were shopping for. If the cameras weren't there I wondered if he would have made a scene after being refused the camaro. Also more concerned about personal stuff like his twitter account and personal appearance than thinking team first. Yes he was young but there was just something that was not right. Just my thoughts that may or may not be justifiable.
Maybe wanting the new Camaro was for the show. You know, producers love conflict.
There are a lot of stupid things that people say here...and some may think the same thing about what I am about to say:
This comment may be one of the dumbest yet! Its uncalled for. This young man wasn't born as a QB who went undefeated during his career at the highest level of high school football. While I do not know him, my hunch is that he worked his tail off to accomplish what he achieved. He did not ask for a coaching change. He did not ask for a different coaching and offensive philosophy. This young man committed here because he wanted to be here and he was wanted by the former coaching staff. He likely worked very hard to start after JT left, only to find that the offensive philosophy was changing. He sat last year because the starter was, simply, lights out. Now, when Fields comes in, almost EVERYONE on these boards automatically anoints the newcomer as the next starter. Why? Because he was a 5-star recruit a year ago and because EVERYONE adores the shiny new Christmas toy.
Tate Martel deserves EVERYONE'S respect - not ignorant, snide remarks like "he doesn't have the balls to do it". He's already accomplished, in his young life, more than most on these boards will accomplish in their entire lives. If he wants to pursue HIS dream and not the fantasies of the people who post here, he is entitled to do so. It is, after all, his life, not yours.
Whatever he decides to do, my only wish is that it turns out to be the right choice for him and that he excels. He has earned the right to chase HIS dreams, not yours.
I hope the kid excels, but I also think he deserves the push back. He very publicly shot his mouth off and looks like he's quietly reversing course a week later. He should learn that if you don't want to be publicly called out, then you shouldn't run your mouth to everyone on Twitter.
Um, please repeat yourself.
With about 10,000 words less.
I like Tate but he’s not in the stratosphere of what Fields can bring to the table imo. Fields was neck and neck with Lawrence’s hype. I’ll take that all day.
This is not a good day.
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Yeah it is. It’s like having that kid in your class removed it because he keeps disrupting it.
I see where your going. I see where we are going. I am lamenting what we all have said before, that this is the golden age of Ohio State football. Change is coming and I believe that if you don't change and move ahead you are going to get run over. Sometimes change means you go backward. Your still moving but not in a good way. I hope that we are going to be 1000 times better then we have been in the past and with the exit of Tate and Urban we are in fact moving along. Change makes me sad and hope makes me antsy.
Guys, don't be those fans, I've seen enough of them from Georgia with the fields transfer. This does seem like Day maybe said, hey, Tate, we are looking to move away from your skill set. He came here, he took his lumps for two years, and if he walks, he walks. It sucks the that it may come to this, but think of how much drama in the locker room this move could save.
doubt it, it's not like theyre going to kill the read option with fields starting
There's a big difference on using it in a situational moment, vs it becoming the basis of our offense. Tate was recruited here to play a power spread read-option offense. Moving to a more situational nfl-style read-option offense does tend to lead away from his skillset as he's much more comfortable outside the pocket and on runs
This season with UGA, Fields ran the ball more times (42 times for 266 yards) than he attempted passes (27 completions on 39 attempts). Fields runs a 4.5.
Granted, he was mainly brought into UGA games in mop up duty, or as a change of pace running threat (prior to JT getting hurt in 2014, Cardale almost exclusively ran the ball in mop up duty).
But if Fields is the starting QB for Ohio State in 2019, Day/Yurcich/Wilson will call a healthy dose of read option runs and will fully utilize Fields' freakish running ability. After all, their jobs are to win football games.
You can pretty much bank on it still being a staple in the offense if the QB is athletic enough to make it a weapon. It's way too hard to defend properly with the right personnel. It would be tantamount to tying a hand behind our backs offensively. Now Day may prefer pocket passers, but it would seem pretty dumb to abandon it, if you can run it.
WOW....although I cannot say I am surprised....we could be in trouble if Fields doesn't get granted immediate eligibility.
Matt Baldwin is legit. Better than Tate.
I have talked to multiple that have said Baldwin isn’t better then Tate right now. Ohio state has to be pretty confident Fields is going to be determined to be eligible. If he isn’t it could be a tough year for the Buckeyes.
I would take Baldwin right now...I think he can be better than Tate, but is still young. His attitude is better which says a lot. However, if Fields doesn't get immediate eligibility, we have Chugonov and Baldwin and thats it. Injuries could play a major part in the season if we only have 2 scholarship QB's.
I think if Fields doesn't get immediate eligibility, watch for Day to go after one more Grad Transfer or something for depth. 2 QB's is a little scary.
I’m not gonna knock a 20 year old kid because at 20 you don’t know what you want in life but him leaving is kinda disappointing after all the talk on Twitter.
All I see is that we have been spoiled by so many QB controveries that they have clearly worn out their welcome with our fanbase, because all I see is haterade being spewed at a kid who just wants to play (and I'm not even a Tater fan). Just wish him luck and a big NEXT!
I think all the talk contradicts he just wants to play. He wants to talk as well. Had he not talk all that talk most of the comments wouldn't be typed. Yes some people still would have said unkind words but that would be more of the minority. Just get your diploma and play football here or somewhere else. That's what should have happened.
Best of luck Tate
I wish nothing but the best for ya Tate. You were kind of stuck in a hard spot when Meyer retired (and so went away his offense)
With that being said please for the love of God don't go to Miami, it's dumpster fire. Go to UCLA and play for Chip Kelly
Maybe this is better for all parties involved, especially since he isn't going to back up his big talk. I remember hearing something something about "don't talk the talk if ...."
Seems like a short-sighted decision to me.
Replacing him could be a tall order.
who's gonna fill his size 6 shoes???
*will be a tall order. Kid was Baker Mayfield 2.0. Tate, you are only going to be missed by Buckeye Nation. So long.
Better now then later, Now Day knows how many scholarships he's working with going into the deadline.
This also reeks of Martel trying to bend Ohio State over because they brought fields in. He could be thinking if I leave and he’s not eligible I’m screwing them big time. Seems he’s very manipulative and vindictive with some of the things that he said and tweeted.
He's been trying to manipulate Ohio State ever since he committed. Urban was terrified of him transferring to the point that he had to mention Tate's name basically every time a question was asked about Dwayne. Urban even made a special package to accommodate his nonexistent skill-set. Imagine my surprise when the package didn't work.
I bet that doesn't happen unless Tate explicitly threatened to transfer. The kid is a cancer. This is another win for Ryan Day.
This might be the worst of a lot of bad takes on here haha..which impressive.
Tate is a good player and will be a solid player elsewhere. A special package because he was scared of Tate? Not because of how bad we were in the red zone?
Watch some tape of Tate...he can play QB at a high level...not just a runner. Good throwing mechanics with accuracy. Now his attitude...not a fan.
Arsenal7, I’d watch that kind of talk I f I was you (Lol).
I’d mentioned hearing Martell transfer talk during Fall Camp (where he definitely received snaps with the 1s). I was then accused of trying to paint myself as an insider and throwing sh#t against the wall to see if it would stick. I stand by the info and the source..
Wow, so many assumptions about so many things as well as about this kids character. All from very limited to non-existent knowledge of who he actually is as a person or what has been talked about behind the scenes between he and his coaches. Bravo
Watch him transfer to Michigan - that will bend Ohio State over! Poach poach!
I am bummed about this. Really thought he had a strong chance to start, given he’s been here 3 years and that he’s been with Day for 2.
His most recent comments dissing Fields gave me some pause. I do like his confidence in himself, though, and had no problems him saying he’d win the job.
His old high school coach is coaching UNLV. Wonder if he transfers there and gets a “close to home” hardship waiver to play right away. My guess is he won’t transfer if he isn’t granted immediate eligibility. Why not stay and fight for the job if you’re gonna sit anyway?
If he sits at OSU he loses a year of eligibility. If he transfers I assume he doesn't.
Make preparations in advance. You never have trouble if you are prepared for it.
Makes no sense. He will lose a year regardless. He will develop better in Day's system. I would not fault him for transferring if he lost the job or after next season (he would be a grad transfer then), but this is way too premature.
...and honestly I didn't mind his style of tough talk, but follow through, even if you lose! Better to lose fighting in the arena than not enter at all. That's why there is still so much love for Burrow from Ohio State fans. Martell may have lost the QB battle, but now he's lost respect. C'mon Tate!
He hasn't lost the QB battle, unless he removes himself from it and gives himself no chance to win it.
So, does this mean the growth spurt rumors were premature?
It certainly seems the climax of Tate's Buckeye career may be building up pressure.
I heard he’s going to Michigan.
His QB coach is now the HC. You would have thought he liked that part of it all. Surprising at the timing of this now. And since he said he was going to win the starting job.
Beck recruited him , not Day.
You are going back farther than I am. My point is that hit direct coach, the qb coach is still there and in a position of more authority, meaning not that urban and day are both gone.
What's that phrase about a pitbull mouth writing checks that your puppy dog ass can't cash? Man, that's pretty sad.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
After all that talking he did - this is the weakest move ever.
Lol Tate. This is so soft. If you’re gonna act like such a tough guy at least wait until after spring ball to transfer. Fields really got in this dude’s head.
It had to be the sister/Twitter move, right? I have to give it to JF, that was gangster.
You don't have any idea what conversations Day has had with Martell and his family (if you are privy to those talks then I apologize). For all those saying Day wouldn't yet advise Tate that he wasn't a good fit moving forward before receiving definitive word on Fields, maybe Day is the aberration... the college football coach who will actually be honest and tell a player what's in the player's best interest even if that honesty leaves the coach's QB room a little thin. Martell, hate him or not, is an uber talented athlete who has designs on playing pro football. If Day told him that Fields is his guy moving forward, then what's Martell supposed to do? I said he wouldn't transfer until if and/or when the writing was on the wall, like it was for Burrow... apparently Martell feels like the writing is on the wall.
He must have seen Fields throw. Apparently he's all talk.
Wait, his name is Tathan? Lol
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it.
- Woody Hayes
YOU GONNA TALK ALL THAT TALK AT SOME DUDE THAT'S OGLING YOUR LITTLE SISTER THEN RUN FOR THE DOOR????
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This is why I have way less sympathy for him than anyone else transferring out. Normally: "Best of luck", today: "BYE, my dude."
Where is the Chris Chugunov love? :)
Plenty of Chugonov love from me. Although I hope we never see him in a game outside of mop up duty, I'm pleased that he's on the roster. Having a QB with D1 experience as your third string QB (or 2nd string if Fields doesn't get immediate eligibility) is a good thing, even if he'll never be elite.
Which is why the “you gotta go get another qb” transfer or whatever leaves me shaking my head. If you get too many top qbs, transfers are just gonna happen. Personally, Chug, Baldwin, and now Fields is plenty for one year. You try to get another at this stage is meaningless because the kid will never be “the” starter. He’ll just be trying to beat out Chug. This doesn’t help anyone in the big picture. Word was OSU would go for two qbs next year so we get replenished. Now if Fields isn’t eligible, which we’ve been told should be known soon, having a transfer makes sense for depth. That non starter gets a scholarship and the Bucks get insurance.
"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes
Sigh, at some point these kids who are not listed as "starters" will come to realize that this is a collision sport and you are only one play away from being the starter ..... If Martell believes he has the upper hand, after being in the program for two years and should have, by far and away, a much better grasp of the offense than the new kid on the block, plus, he has a much better feel for the receivers he has playing with him, so why the knee-jerk reaction ??
It could get dicey in '19 if Martell transfers and Fields has to sit a year.
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I haven’t heard anyone whose studied this say that the ncaa will fight this racial issue.
I find it hard to believe they would grant the waiver. There certainly is some language in the guidelines for immediate eligibility, but I think it's a hard case to make because the person that called Fields a racial slur is an individual (not a group), is on another team (baseball not football), was a single incident, and the university quickly took action to remedy the situation by expelling the guy. That doesn't seem like an "environment of prejudice/intimidation/threats of violence". It seems more along the lines of an isolated incident that was taken care of. Plus I don't see any action beyond the words that would make the "environment unsafe".
I haven’t heard anyone whose studied this say that the ncaa will fight this racial issue.
Who outside of OH, former players, or OSU supporters thinks the waiver will be granted?
It’s a racial issue. Proven it happened. Why the heck would the ncaa want to touch it? Was an ugly situation and kid just wants to get away from it. That’s all.
The entire b10 network crew, Mike Golic, and anyone on espn talking about it. Everyone agrees it’s a rubber stamp and that’s all.
Why the heck would the ncaa want to touch it?
Because calling a kid a racial slur is not justification to transfer. That doesn't condone the behavior, it just means it's a university problem and not an NCAA problem. A single incident does not seem meet the language in the NCAA rules for an exemption.
the university quickly took action to remedy the situation by expelling the guy
If they had actually expelled him I'd be inclined to agree, but they didn't. He's still at school, they only removed him from the baseball team.
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If they had actually expelled him I'd be inclined to agree, but they didn't. He's still at school, they only removed him from the baseball team.
Yes it would be very easy to argue that his continued presence at the school and possibility of retribution from athletes on the baseball team, could create a potentially hostile environment. There is certainly perceived, if not real risk, and that should be enough.
Yes it would be very easy to argue that his continued presence at the school and possibility of retribution from athletes on the baseball team, could create a potentially hostile environment.
I'm sure that's the argument they plan to make, but it seems weak. It's still just a single incident with no real violence behind it or any action ever taken. It sounds like an isolated incident. I mean we're basically saying I want to transfer because some dude called me a name...c'mon.
Nicole Aurbach just reported that Fields's attorney said this will be wrapped up soon. Its a pretty clear case. Same attorney who worked all the MS players and Shea Patterson.
The NCAA doesnt need any bad press from the NAACP or other equal rights groups. Its all about taking care of the student athletes. No one cares about your perception on the deal to the honest.
Maine: It just sounds like you dont want Fields at tOSU?
Its all about taking care of the student athletes.
That's a nice sentiment, but laughable. The NCAA is all about keeping the NCAA going and making money.
No one cares about your perception on the deal to the honest.
Most people aren't interested in perspectives that threaten their own. But, since this is a a discussion board and that's what it's for, although I appreciate your take on the matter, whether or not you think other's are interested in my perspective doesn't really change anything.
It just sounds like you dont want Fields at tOSU?
I have no preference. This is just how I read the NCAA rules, however, the rules are not always followed.
Fields will 100% get the waiver. It is a documented fact that a member of UGA athletics (not some toothless, booger eating fan) was calling him the “N” word. Fields case can solid as he can say basically,” I don’t want to be part of an athletic program with guys like that. Especially team captains.” Maybe it’s weak to you or me, but we’re talking about the snowflake generation that has crying rooms and safe spaces on campuses now.
I guess I could see that if it was a staffer or coach on the football team. But, a single incident of a baseball player yelling racial slurs to Fields during a UGA game doesn't seem to fit the requirement for an exemption to me. I'm sure lots of student fans yell lots of shit at players during games. It that was all you needed to gain immediate eligibility the NCAA might as well get rid of the rule requiring anyone to sit (which they should anyways IMO).
And, another thing...if he didn't feel safe why did he stay this long and finish the season? There are definitely some hurdles his team will have to get over IMO to gain the waiver.
There are definitely some hurdles his team will have to get over IMO to gain the waiver.
The NCAA has absolutely nothing to gain, and everything to lose by fighting this. It simply doesn't make any sense in this day and age - the media loves a good racial story and would gleefully jump all over this thing if the NCAA starts making a fuss.
It's still just a single incident with no real violence behind it or any action ever taken
if he didn't feel safe why did he stay this long and finish the season?
It's still just a single incident with no real violence behind it or any action ever taken
if he didn't feel safe why did he stay this long and finish the season?
Those two arguments would literally be PR suicide, you would have to be a damn fool to say anything remotely close to that.
Those two arguments would literally be PR suicide
Damn edit window cut me off...
Just think of how the media would spin things if the NCAA made those arguments: "NCAA tells student to 'wait until after a lynch mob has formed and started chasing him with a rope' before requesting to transfer."
All the experts are saying the same. Not one expert sees an issue here.
Maine just doesnt want Fields at tOSU.
Maine just doesnt want Fields at tOSU.
Beginning to think that Maine is just a new account from a banned member. If so, he's just a trolling at this point and won't be around for much longer.
The NCAA has absolutely nothing to gain, and everything to lose by fighting this.
If they want to maintain this rule down the road they have something to gain. Otherwise pretty much anyone can say someone said something to me and so I want to transfer without penalty.
Those two arguments would literally be PR suicide, you would have to be a damn fool to say anything remotely close to that.
Are you saying bad press supersedes the rules? I can see that argument in a highly public organization. I'm just saying I don't think the situation meets the requirement of the rules as written. That doesn't mean an exception wouldn't be made to avoid bad press as I think you're implying. I could certainly see that. The NCAA is always hard to predict and are rarely consistent with it's rules enforcement.
Can you please kindly provide us all a few similar recent cases to Justin Fields that the NCAA did not grant immediate eligibility, just to support your baseless opinions?
Can you please kindly provide us all a few similar recent cases to Justin Fields that the NCAA did not grant immediate eligibility, just to support your baseless opinions?
I'm not aware of any case that has been publicized like this, are you? There doesn't seem like any precedent either way.
Hmmmmm. So what do you base your opinions on?
So what do you base your opinions on?
They're not so much "based" inasmuch as they're pulled from a certain bodily orifice
There's also no precedent to support the other side :/
Maine: you dont like the Buckeyes huh?
Well it’s obvious you are not an attorney.
"A waiver will be granted “in cases where the student-athlete was a victim of objective, documented egregious behavior by a staff member or student at the previous institution and the previous institution supports the waiver.”
Most people feel that the waiver will be granted, I believe, because if the NCAA want s to fight it, they have to argue that these incidents of racism are not "egregious". Does the NCAA really want to choose that battle? It's possible they might, I could see them arguing that, while terrible, racist comments like this are unfortunately part of the landscape and can't be escaped no matter where you go, so don't really qualify as "egregious" due to not being uncommon. But it could still be an ugly look to argue "hey racism isn't THAT bad". And a good attorney would put the NCAA in a pretty uncomfortable position trying to make that case.
Key point the experts are agreeing on.....
Fields is expected to be drafted to the MLB and Fields wants to play college baseball eventually (year 2 or 3 he said to stay sharp) and the racial comments were made by an active UGA baseball team member. No one is disputing this, infact, the UGA baseball team member was dismissed from the team (not the school).
Its up to no one else to determine if those racial comments were threatening or not and would make Fields uncomfortable playing baseball or football at UGA, so NCAA will approve the transfer.
There is always the Wildcat to run.
My biggest takeaway is his full name is Tathan. Is this real?
As to the transfer, I think we might be lying to ourselves if this wasn't inevitable once Fields became official. Probably better for all parties to get it over with now.
I for one wish him luck, unless he ends up on the opposing sideline at any point.
It is always hard on an athlete when the day comes when he is told he just isn't good enough.
I get that he wants to eventually play so this decision isn't all that crazy. Running his mouth the way he did is not a good look for him but that won't matter once he's gone. Finally, I guess this means Ohio State is feeling comfortable about the chances for the NCAA waiver to be approved to allow Fields to play right away.
i can't help but think tate read a ton of the shit all of us posted here about how 'great fields will be here' and 'bring on the qb competition' and 'tate is short', etc. ...and the 'no love' really got to him. wish he woulda kept his mouth shut and simply competed. but i really hope fields gets the waiver...and doesn't get hurt.
If Tate is patrolling OSU message boards and getting his feelings hurt, the real world will eat this kid alive. I seriously hope he’s better than that.
Bill Greene said it best when he found out fields was thinking about coming here. He said Tate would not last and would transfer out. greene reiterated it even after tate’s rant about how he’s not leaving at the Rose Bowl.
I mean, slow your roll, Buckeye fam. Tate’s been scarlet and gray through and through. If he has an “attitude,” whom amongst can’t understand? He’s a competitor and part of the team for two years as a leader. Fields hasn’t sweat one drop for OSU yet. He may very well be the new “front runner” for next season, and for that reason Tate has to cover his bases. He’s supremely talented and definitely needs to do what’s best for himself. Surely he too has NFL ambitions and requisite talent and drive. But you guys “sick of his attitude,” or all “bye Felicia” are just too much. Give the kid some respect! Nobody piled on Joe Burrow like this when he made his move. Just tap the brakes people! Wow.
Burrow didn't run his mouth for 2 months before leaving. We haven't heard a single peep from Baldwin about the Fields transfer - he's just as much a competitor as Tate but he's going to try to win the job without being a massive distraction.
Wow dude. You are like an online stalker. LEAVE ME ALONE on this board. I couldn’t care less about your opinions about anything. I’ve asked you repeatedly to stop responding to me. Why doesn’t 11W allow you to block people!?
You say Tate’s been “running his mouth for two months,” when LITERALLY Fields to OSU wasn’t even a thing TWO WEEKS AGO. Get a grip, man. And what else has he done to make you want him to go? He’s been a good kid on and off the field. Sure, maybe he needs some coaching on talking to the media, but you get an international media camera in your face asking hard questions about a sensitive issue and see how YOU fare.
As for Baldwin, I have no idea what his intentions or attitude are. He’s a year behind Tate and has more time to develop and think. Also, he’s not #2 on the depth chart, the heir apparent, and a pro-style QB.
But whatever. Throw Tate overboard with the rest of the lot. I appreciate what he did to bring other blue chip talent with him and sell OSU to Bishop Gorman and other west coast recruits.
Hey there fella, this is an open discussion and anyone with a username can comment. No need to get all mad because someone stated their own opinion. You're kind of being a hypocrite at this point. This isn't Facebook where you can block people you don't like.
The future is bright at Ohio state.
Hey, "fella," me and BrutusB have some history on here. He's a troll. He's said some incredibly stupid and ignorant things in response to me over the last year or so. I've made a gentleman's request that he just leave me be but he's too much of a troll. How on earth am I being a "hypocrite?" I don't comment on his idiotic posts. I don't come on here to argue with fellow Buckeye "fans," I come here to read the only news I enjoy, have some fun, spout some of my conspiracy theories and so on and so forth. In fact, for some reason, as a 12th Warrior, I actually PAY for the privilege every year. For the life of me, I don't understand why "fans" of a team would come onto a site like this and hate on the players and coaches and even try and pick fights with other people on the boards. I'm happy to engage in polite, civil back and forth but that's all.
Would you like a frosty with that for only a dollar?
I think this is the exact opposite move of a "competitor."
I don't have a Twitter account. But just based off of the tweets of his that I have seen on here show more than the kid just having an attitude. At this point Tate is to OSU what Johnny Manziel was to the Browns minus the drinking and drug issues. You aren't going to have your team respect you because you pop off at the mouth on twitter, specifically when it relates to a guy that is now on your team. You certainly aren't going to have your coaches respect you going that route. So I think it's less of a situation where OSU fans feel slighted by him leaving, more of a situation where we have seen the writing on the wall of what this kid is about.
Also, I like the competitiveness in the kid. I just don't like how he feels the need to tell everyone about it. Great competitors let their work do the talking, not their iPhones.
Too many people in athletics and society in general confuse "having a competitive nature" w/ "constantly running my mouth, in person and on social media". Jim Tressel is one of the most competitive people you will ever meet. He just doesn't run his mouth like a clown.
Talking smack isn't competition.
Manziel minus the drinking and drugs wasn't Manziel, so it's hard for me to make the comparison.
See big ego, little final product to support that ego to this point. Not saying Tate can't do very well, but up until this point all he has been is a backup QB that has a head too big for his shoulders.
OTBN, upvote. I don't know why anyone would trash a Buckeye. Tate's only been all Buckeye and represented this university well. He said some things, yes, that maybe weren't the best. I am sad IF he transfers. However, he may just be covering his bases - which is smart. If he does go, I will still root for him. Once a Buckeye, always a Buckeye.
Thank you! I was honestly taken aback reading the overwhelmingly negative comments about Tate, starting with "BrutusB." Believe me, kids watch this stuff and see the reactions. We risk turning off recruits with this sort of toxic fandom. I've trolled some UGA boards post Fields and was equally surprised by how kind most if not all the comments were about his move. "Good luck!" "Still part of Dawg nation!" "We'll be rootin for ya!" on and on. Here it's like "WELL SCREW YOU, THEN, YOU PRIMA DONNA!! GOOD RIDDANCE!!" Sadly, we're in the minoriy here. Oh well.
Something had to break...
Priority #1: Beat Michigan
Better hope Fields is as good as hyped. Watching qb1 season 2 and I think hes on same level of douche as Tate. Tells his coach what to do, talks shit to teammates. Plus he couldn't beat out Fromm, to me he isnt a buckeye
Man crush jilts you and now you're going to pout?
Stay classy, folks!
Before we take pitchforks to this kid, let's acknowledge the likelihood that he and Day had a "come to Jesus" meeting and Day recommended that he begin to look around. You combine that with the contact that Haskins had with Fields as this was playing out, and Tate has to feel somewhat betrayed.
Until we really know the facts, and we probably never will, I have nothing bad to say about the young man. I hope he lands and flourishes. And in the words of the Godfather to Virgil Solozzo....."As long as your business does not interfere with mine, I wish you success." Of course, we know how that conversation turned out, LOL
very doubtful Day talked to him about transferring. that would be very very dumb on Day's part.
I am not saying Day talked him into transferring. But he may have told him what his vision was for his future Offense and Tate may have decided it was time to look at his options.
I can only imagine he's transferring due to feeling doubted or betrayed by the decision to bring in Fields. If one or both of these is true, it's a little disappointing; I wish he'd stay and compete like he said he would.
Then again, there may be something outside of football that happened recently that makes him feel like he needs to be closer to his family for all we know.
I do want all players to do what they feel is best for them, but if this is strictly football related I wish he would stick it out longer. I'm sure Burrow knew he was the underdog in the competition between him and Haskins, but he gave it his all through the entire spring. He transferred, beat out all the other QBs LSU had, and is now about to be a two-year starter on one of the better teams in college football. I love to see that for him, and I respect the way he handled everything.
If Fields were to be cleared, and then beat out Martell in the spring, I wouldn't blame Martell for leaving and I'd respect him and wish him the absolute best. I just don't really know what to think of this.
Not shocked at all and he shouldn't be either. We have gotten away from the zone read and haven't recruited a true qb that fits the mold in the last two classes. He is also 5/9 on a windy day and lacks arm strength to throw across the hashes. I watched McSorely and how many balls he has had either tipped or knocked down at the line of scrimmage. Murry had a couple vs Bama. I loved him and thought he would be nice after JT but that's offense for the most part is gone now.
Tate is so scared of Fields that he wouldn’t even back his shit talking up and try to compete for the starting job. That tells me he’s an entitled brat that doesn’t even believe his own hype.
What a clown. See ya, Tathan.
Well....had to see this coming from a mile away. Had a feeling that if Fields was going to be out starting QB next year, Baldwin was going to be the backup cuz Tate was going to be on another team. If he transfers good luck to him. If he stays I just hope he keeps his mouth shut whether he starts or not.
Better bank on Fields' waiver getting approved or next year could be brutal.. The transfer pool is leverage the players have when it comes to situations like this.
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I don't blame Tate for transferring although I wish he would stay off of Twitter. That said, his number one advocate has retired and is no longer calling the shots. Baldwin is handpicked by Coach Day and of course there is the Fields factor. The odds of him getting any PT is slim considering the situation and the guy wants to start at QB for at least two years. Best of luck Tate, just don't go to PSU.
“A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.” - Tyrion Lannister
I believe the B1G has a rule that would not allow Martell to transfer there and be able to play right away.
"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"
I can't blame Martell for putting his name out there. Fields isn't being brought in to compete for the position, he's being brought in to be the starter.
"In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem." George Carlin
Man if Fields isn’t eligible he could easily pull a Haskins and be on his way to NFL next year. But how can we blame him for wanting to play? He’s been a bit immature but no doubt. But people act like he’s Tate Forcier just because he’s small. My god he was the highest rated QB Meyer ever recruited here. Let’s not act like he’s some bum because we made him run goalline offense this year.
Seriously???? Now we're bashing a young man who could've gone any where but chose Ohio State hoping to play QB. It appears it may not work out so he's exploring other options and he's being attacked because of that and some twitter comments???? WOW.... truly pathetic! We are back in junior high. And I bet if he was 6'3" and 212 lbs nobody would be flapping their gums.
I for one hope he stays but if he decides his future is better someone else I wish him well.
He's getting bashed because he talked trash about how the position was his and he was taking shots at Fields on twitter. If he had not said anything at all and then just transferred out, there'd be like zero qualms with it (like with Burrow). He just looks like a big douche for handling it that way.
Does it makes sense for him to transfer? He is a year away from graduating. Why wouldn't you compete for the starting role this spring. If you don't win than you sit out just as you would if you transfer. The only difference is if you transfer you are forced to sit, if you don't you get a chance to play even if its backup duties. At least that way you can play in some form next year without just benching yourself with transferring. IMO I would just wait a year and use the grad transfer rule if you don't win the job.
I'm a Buckeye for Life!
That seems like a sensible plan. The only possible flaw would be if he is not on track to graduate within a year. I can't blame him for leaving however regardless of how he times it. While some people want to denigrate him if one looks at it from a pragmatic point of view he was a 5* recruit who is in the position of spending his entire college career on the bench. Not because of injury or a basic lack of talent, but simply because of the extremely strong depth chart and now possibly being a poor fit for the new HC's offensive scheme. That isn't a situation anyone should blame him for trying to change. Having said that I do have to admit there is something about him that rubs me slightly wrong.
"Conversely, Urban Meyer and his players are an unstoppable army of football automatons that feel no emotion and win in any and every setting."
Two words - Big Baby!!
Saw this coming a mile away. Dude said any transfer would take a year to handle the system. I’m not surprised nor sad. If he lost the job he would have been trouble in the locker room and on the field
Wait until he gets in the business world.
You are in idiot.
F you dude! Are you Tater Tot’s relative? He should have STF up altogether!
He may simply be testing the waters. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think it's enough to pile on the kid.
Negativity is a choice.
You don’t “test the waters” then come back. Not how it works.
Jalen Hurts please come on down!
If Tate can't hack it in Day's offense then I doubt that Hurts could.
Interesting considering all the talking he has done lately about not transferring. This could be a disaster if he transfers and Fields doesn't get eligibility. I don't believe Baldwin is ready to start and win a national title.
The dude gave off a "Johnny Football" vibe to me from the moment he committed. Maybe unfair because of similar build and play style to Manziel, but the tats, hair, and ego were a turn-off for me. Was hopeful his performances would make me forget that, but based on what I've seen on and off the field..."the juice isn't worth the squeeze" as they say.
On the bright side, maybe the NCAA made a decision on Fields today and he found out the good news. There were talks that the decision might not take long since Georgia already did all the leg work
I wouldn't bet my life on it. I wouldn't underestimate the possiblity of an undercurrent of animosity toward OSU from a lot of different places stemming from the whole ZSmith situation. That Meyer is still employed by the U may have rankled the stuffed shirts at the NCAA. Remember, this is the same organization that gave Jim Tressel a 5 year show cause penalty and banned the Buckeyes from the 2012 Bowl games --- all when we thought things were under control. Oops.
I wouldn't bet what I couldn't cover with the NCAA.......ever. And sure as hell not now from an Ohio State point of view.
I could see him entering the portal just to be petty.
If Urban Meyer were still the coach, I have no doubt that Martell would have won the starting job. Day is looking for a slightly different style of quarterback. It is not that Martell could not perform well in the system but Fields probably has a better skillset for it. If he does transfer, hopefully he finds a good spot as I would like to see him do well. I will root for him.
Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.
other than height, Fields and Martell are very similar QBs. I doubt scheme had anything to do with it.
There's a massive arm strength disparity.. Tate basically has to dislocate his shoulder to throw it 50 yards. Fields has Haskins level arm strength and talent.
Let this be another lesson in the "don't get a prominent tattoo of a school logo until you've won the starting job" chronicles.
I don't have anything to say. Not like anyone would be able to understand me with my foot down my throat anyway.
"“There's no reason I should [transfer],” Martell said. “I know what kind of quarterback I am. I'm an elite quarterback. I know that after two years of being here, I run our offense at a very efficient level, and I know once we put the zone read back in, it will be very fun for me.”
Ryan Day: Uh, we're not putting the zone read back in
Really hope Fields’ waiver gets approved now. Maybe Tate will wait and see before he leaves.
Tom Mars, who is Fields' attorney related to his waiver request and has represented many others in similar situations, won't do the same for Martell: He told me: "I'm not representing Tate Martell, and I have no intention of doing anything on his behalf."
— Bill Rabinowitz (@brdispatch) January 10, 2019
You’ve been bashing Tate every thread he’s mentioned in, so I guess this is a good day for you.
"Go out there, make plays, they'll remember your name forever. FOREVER!" - J.T. Barrett
Ok, cool. Go Bucks.
A lot of things could have happen here that we don't know. Myer said he was fighting (which had to be Day) for playing time for him and when they did, he didn't let him throw it even though he threw earlier in the season quite successfully. This could be Day telling him upfront that if Fields gets his eligibility the job is his. Obviously this is a tough pill for him to swallow and since we don't know how things went down, we should wish him well and let him go in peace instead trashing him. Good luck Tate.
I agree folks should cut the Tate bashing. The kid has waited his turn the right way from what we've be told so far. Wants to play really bad and believes he can be great here.
However, I've been saying for awhile that your point about him not throwing in those near zone situations spoke volumes. Day is a creative passing game play caller but for some reason he refused to let Tate throw down there when Haskins routinely threw short TD passes. Gotta believe Day has spoken to him and said that your 2 years in the program may not be enough to hold off these guys if competition is close so explore your options
The Ryan Day Era is bringing the storm. This stuff be crazy.
I just saw that Ramzy changed his Twitter name to Ramzythan. That is the best thing I've ever seen regarding Tate Martell's decision.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
The idiocy of some of the commentators on this forum is disappointing. The kid is exploring his option and you all come off looking like morons. He has the right to do this. It’s quite obvious Day doesn’t value him as much as Urban.
Whatever's best for Tate. I would've loved to see him play more here. Good luck though.
buyer be ware... if he is so good why is he not starting at Georgia... Fromm doesn't look elite to me. our buddy joe is better....
man why all the hate toward Tate….
You are kind of contradicting yourself. Why is Tate looking to transfer if Fields isn't elite? Mine as well say Buyer be ware with Tate as well.
People (including myself) who are 'hating' on his decision to transfer are doing so because he talked a whole bunch of trash before Fields transferred here, and without attempting to compete (or even wait to see if Fields would be immediately eligible) decides to look into transferring as well.
I see it like this: Tate was Myers guy and doesn't fit with what Day wants in a QB.... Just my 2¢
Josh Myers is probably going to be the starting C, so you might be on to something.
Is there any chance this is what Michigan coaches were giddy about on Twitter yesterday???
You mean our coaches?
— Sherrone Moore (@Coach_SMoore) January 9, 2019
That tweet had to do with Pratt, the Bama OC.
Tell me more. Who is Pratt and what happened that makes TTUN happy?
You mean Josh Gattis? Co-OC from Bama supposedly named TTUN's OC?
In no way am I bashing ANY student athlete. Coaches come and go, so players coming and going are nothing to me. I want the players who want to be here. Competition brings out both the best and the worst in people. Fields leaving Georgia and coming here is nice; but why run from competition? Tate wanting to leave is just as interesting. Who's to say either of them beats out Baldwin, the QB that was recruited by Coach Day. However it plays out, it will play out. Good luck to whoever is in the QB room come this spring. May the best player win and GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!!
Also, I can't help but think about Coach Ditka when he was in New Orleans and when asked which QB was going to play and he snipped "WHICHEVER ONE STARTS...NEXT QUESTION"
/s he is going to be Urban's starting QB at USC next year. /s
Hope you stay, good luck and thank you for your work if you go elsewhere.
So much for going to win the job.....
Mark May is a mental midget
I am not going to bash the kid for trying to play and make the most out of his college career. However, he could have handled the Fields transfer news better, especially given the lastest development.
I also can't blame him, a lot of "fans" have bashed him for no good reason and don't believe in him. It's no way to treat a Buckeye, let alone someone who came in being the number 2 QB, because you know everyone was excited when he committed.
F!@#... I was hoping to see him the #1 QB this year. I've been a fan of this kid since he came up on Ohio State's radar. He's a winner and has the skills but it seems like he just can't break the seal to start! Sigh...
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
He has to stay and compete to get a chance to start.
That's understandable. Personally, after I realized that Haskins was a one and done (back in September), I started getting nervous when thinking about next seasons offense with Tathan playing QB. After Day was named the next HC, I was almost certain that Baldwin would be the one starting next year because Tate just doesn't fit with what Day wants to do with his offense. As far as Fields goes - I remember watching tape on him last recruiting cycle and thinking that he was the best QB prospect that I've ever seen.
I'd like a small fry to go please! That being said, best of luck Tater.
I ain't fraid of no ghosts, I will win the starting job.
Here’s how it most likely went down. Tate got called in the office, spanked, and told not to air his football business to the public, which, of course, hurt his feelings, so he’s looking for a way out.
He would have been fun to watch, but his mouth got in the way. If he learns to keep his mouth shut, he still has a chance.
I wish him well.
Do some Buckeye fans really find value in slamming players in a public forum? Does the image of the fanbase ever cross their mind when they post? Are those the same ones who feel the need to directly weigh in during a high school kid's recruitment?
No matter what you think of how Tate has handled this whole situation, is it difficult to wish the kid luck somewhere else (whether you mean it or not) and move forward with the talent that will still be in Columbus?
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"
Best of luck Tate! I wish you would stay and compete but you have to do what is best for you.
Walk-on quarterback Kory Curtis has also entered his name into the NCAA transfer portal, potentially leaving the Buckeyes with minimal depth at the position.
Why does a walk on have to enter their name in a transfer portal?
These guys are really afraid of playing time w Fields coming.
I would do the same thing to keep my options open. He is too promising of a talent not to start somewhere. It may not be at tOSU, which is a shame, but I have the feeling Coach Day leans more towards classic pocket passing QB's.
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
No problem whatsoever with him transferring, but doing it after running his Twitter mouth for the last few weeks is not a great look for him.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Holy overreaction batman!!!
That came out of nowhere.
I was never 100% sold on him as Ohio State's starting QB, but god damn am I worried now about our depth.
Can we bring in a graduate transfer QB this season? I don't like the idea of Fields getting injured (or not being granted eligibility) and then only having a QB room of Baldwin and Chugonov.
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
Yeah, Tate's woofing has gotten a bit hard to hear. It's not like he can't win the job, I just think he thinks he's owed something, and that's not how it works at this level.
Of course, Fields responding to Tate's Tweet-storm by not responding and instead liking Tate's sister's bikini pics... savage.
Good luck, young man, in whatever you do. Except if it's against us. Until then...
I aim to misbehave.
Tate brought this on himself by declaring the QB1 throne was his, going on twitter throwing shade on Fields, doing the interview with the Atlanta paper saying he doesn't want to know Fields and then making subtweets about him during the NC game Monday.
You cannot boldly say you are going to win the job, not leaving, a great teammate when his actions scream something different.
QB recruiting. . . Good golly.
I season my simple food with hunger
Is there any chance tate transfers and fields is not immediately eligible? That would be no bueno......
Then Matt Baldwin, a handpicked Day recruit, will start. The Buckeyes are in good hands regardless.
I'd be totally fine with this if Fields is cleared to play immediately. Makes the transition to Fields a lot smoother and gets rid of any drama. Tate will be a flashy QB for a good team and probably win some ball games, but we dont need locker room drama.
Not surprising. Can't blame him, was def excited to see what he could've done but once we landed Fields.. we may have never got the opportunity to see him minus garbage time. Best of luck I'm sure he'll tear it up wherever he ends up.
What a terrible thing to do to an unpaid college football player. This is an enormous invasion of privacy, so some goon trying to build a garbage career on twitter or a blog somewhere can make some scratch. How old is Tate? 19? 20? How is it acceptable to undermine his privacy? He's basically a fucking intern.
I am hoping Tate stays and competes. I would LOVE to see him be super successful as a buckeye. However, it is very smart to always have a plan B. Even if he weren't to win the job, the possibility that a starter goes the entire season without getting bang up is getting much smaller. For the fools being critical, don't forget, Fields arrived here under the same circumstances......
I think everyone here wishes Tate would have stayed and competed through at least spring ball. But because of his choice to hate/tweet @ Justin, would have resulted in a less than ideal dynamic in the QB room. It's not Tate's decision to transfer that Buckeye Nation is criticizing, but rather his decision to "pre-emptively" criticize our presumptive QB.
Im not sure Martell would have to sit. Especially since Urban abruptly retired. My guess is that Tate would be able to play right away.
I think Fields' waiver is a slam dunk. I doubt the NCAA wants any part of the media shit storm that would ensue from not granting it. I mean look what they did to Urban and nothing was ever proven to have occurred.
I guess Tate felt the only way he could beat out Fields was if Fields din't come here
I sure hope Fields is eligible nest year
It sure looked as if Tate was trying to derail the potential Fields-OSU transfer. That is what soured alot of fans on him. Now he enters the transfer portal after talking all that shit on Twitter and it's pretty clear that he was definitely trying to manipulate the transfer situation... That's just lame.
To be fair, Tathan sounds like Mike Tyson saying his own last name
Mike Tyson's autobiography is one of the greatest literary self examinations in history-if you don't read another book in the next 5 years, read that one!