Greg Schiano Out, Ohio State Hires Michigan Defensive Line Coach Greg Mattison As Co-Defensive Coordinator

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PhillyNut's picture

I do not like this at all.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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infantrybuck's picture

I don’t know how anyone could possibly hate this.  I just witnessed the worst defense of my lifetime that just so happened to have the most 5 star talent of my life time.  Clean house on the Urban nepotist hires, I love it.

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TarBuck's picture

This guy IS an Urban nepotism type of hire though; he was his DC back at Florida for a bit.

Plus he’s old as balls, has fallen off his recruiting hype, and his defenses under Hoke were never actually legit. Oh, and we just hung 62 on his defense while throwing his dline around like ragdolls.

Complete bust of a hire unless we for sure land Al Washington.

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infantrybuck's picture

Not really, because Urban isn’t the head coach anymore.  What connection does Day have with Mattison?  The dude was a good DC in the NFL and had good UM defenses with richrod and Hoke talent.

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NativeSon's picture

Day was a GA at Florida in 2005 which was Mattison’s first year at Florida. 

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CincyOSU's picture

Plus he’s old as balls, has fallen off his recruiting hype,

Larry Johnson is two years younger than Mattison...not sure age is really an argument you want to use here.

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LJ's Ninjas's picture

It would seem, per the responses, I am going to be in the minority in that I am a big fan of the hire. I think between he and LJ, the amount of knowledge that is being brought to the table will be unmatched. I think the guy knows his stuff and will put our guys in the best possible position to succeed. I get that he is no spring chicken, but between his time with the Ravens and his time with Michigan, you can't tell me that he hasn't been running some great defenses. Now bring in Washington or Freeman with him and I will be stoked to see what that collection of guys can do. If this is indeed true, I just have that much more confidence in what Day is doing. 

Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.

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quiverfull's picture

You will like Mattison.  Great guy who has had some very good success with less-then-5* talent.  As a Michigan guy I can tell you most folks are not overjoyed at this.  We figured G-Matt would retire soon, not go to you guys.  Nobody here should be bummed by this, he is a quality person by all accounts.  

Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate.  Psalm 127

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wyatt's picture

My first thought was Mattison was instrumental in getting Zach Harrison to OSU. Both schools wanted Zach and I'm sure Zach liked both Mattison and Larry Johnson. Now he has both.  

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Silver Sniper's picture

Quiver, how is he as a recruiter? I think that’s where a lot of the concern is stemming from. 

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quiverfull's picture

Apologies, just came back to this.  Mattison has the rep of being a very good recruiter.  I'm not into the details enough to say that he recruited players X, Y, and Z, but the bottom line is that he has some pretty good swag.  He'll do fine. 

Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate.  Psalm 127

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Orlando Buckeye's picture

Important to have energy and experience on the staff, I guess.

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buckvolspar's picture

scUM fans seem pretty upset, so I'm guessing we got a decent coach.

I'm hoping both of the new co-coordinators can get us back to Fickell-ball.  This team has struggled mightily to create turnovers since his departure.  I don't know how he stressed/coached that, but it is clearly something that has lacked emphasis.  Get our O the ball more often and I'll be good with the hire!

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Bukirob's picture

No, we hung 62 on DON BROWN'S defense  Mattison was the DL coach.

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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Davep160's picture

I agree, the guy single handedly carried Hokes best teams, he is a very good coach.   Yes, he is not young, but he is solid,  he was a trooper for getting demoted by incoming Harbaugh and coaching the line.  I truly think he adds value.   The one thing I don't know. ...if he can recruit or relate to high schoolers. I hope so.

The lord of brevity.

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LJ's Ninjas's picture

He is known by TTUN fans as one of their best recruiters...but take that for what it's worth. 

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Aristotle's picture

He is also now known as a traitor by at least one of the Michigan blogs, LMAO!

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chemicalwaste's picture

So who is replacing Davis?

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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Aristotle's picture

Glad to see Day cleaning out what he and many of us see as dead wood. He wants to carry on the Ohio State tradition of success!

I hope Hafley teaches the DB's to know where the ball is rather than just chasing the receiver blindly down the field waving their arms followed by a PI call.

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McPeek91's picture

You may have won my favorite comment of the night sir. Made me chuckle

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MyStereoHasMono's picture

You're not an expert or professional so nobody really cares what you do or don't like.

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Beaver's picture

To not appreciate the changes, you either never watched OSU D under these guys or you just do not understand basic football. You do not have one of the worst Ds in the nation with the talent we have recruited, unless you suck. This is good. Lets hope it continues. We are good with the O for the most part. After all, we had one of the best offenses in the nation.

Karl sherrick

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ashtabulassassin's picture

It is worth it if only just for this post on mgo

Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month

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11UrbzAndSpices's picture

Tell me about it...

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

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Rascall's picture

That's hilarious!!!

From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.

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Phoenix824's picture

Maybe he should change his icon

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SilverHaven's picture

Yeah, Phx, I can see a possible need there.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

Maybe he should change his team.

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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2morrow's picture

Before anyone freaks:

Day told Grinch a while ago he would not be the DC and if he wanted to be a DC he should look for other work.
He told Schiano the same thing at the same time.
Mattison is coming but is not yet publicly associated with a position.
Taver Johnson's future is up in the air.
OSU has reached out to Al Washington but no confirmation if he is coming.
Bill Davis is out as linebacker coach.

I think Coach Day is kicking a$$!

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Birm reported that OSU absolutely tried to keep Grinch.

BTW, is your post insider info? 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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MDBuckeye23's picture

It said that on BuckNuts. Day had no intention of promoting Grinch. At least not yet. I mean considering the safety play this past year and the fact that the D got gashed by several mediocre opponents, I think Grinch was going to have to earn his stripes here a little faster. He took the path of least resistance and went to a school and conference where defense is completely secondary at this point in time.

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2morrow's picture

No, it was public on 247. It did say that Day told Grinch last week he would not be the DC and if he wanted to be in charge, he should look for other work.

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Dillon G's picture

I don’t want a coach that absolutely did not improve Rashan Gary’s play at any point.

#walkaway

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JJBuckeye's picture

Maybe it was a Rashan issue and not coaching. Go Bucks

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2morrow's picture

Exactly JJ - it's called Rashan Peppers syndrome.

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Dillon G's picture

A Rashan issue is what I hope for. I’d love to be having a bad take right now.

#walkaway

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Gary pulled a Clowney big time this season.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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BuckeyeForever's picture

I just hope that we NEVER use *ichigan players on Ohio State recruiting materials like a previous coach has...

You got to have a lot of balls, to play golf the way I do!

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My Dad Is A Wolverine But I'm A Buckeye's picture

I'd agree, but we still have Larry Johnson, who will remain solely in charge of the D-Line. I'm not worried about the D-Line. Gary was also still good and Mattison did improve Winovich. Not having a good D-Line is not a concern of mine at this point. 

Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North. 

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tGW's picture

He's a coach, not a heart surgeon.

"Toughness is a choice."

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Common man, you are judging a coach by the productivity of 1 player?  Did you ever think that Gary as a 5 star thought his shit didn't stink and was difficult to coach?  Or, maybe he was just flat overrated.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Exactly,  As I said on the other forum thread, based off your same Bucknuts report, everyone needs to step off the ledge and stop freaking out.  This is all going to have several new twists and turns as the day and week(s?) play out.  I personally believe everyone is conflating the Mattison and Schiano developments as related.

Chill everyone.  Let things develop.

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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WC Buckeye's picture

From 247Sports.com comments section on this:

"Osu fans are in a complete meltdown over this hire. First time UM fans and Osu fans are in meltdown phase over the same coach. Lol"

I am not freaking out. There is a lot that's yet yet to come, I think.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

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wyatt's picture

I'm glad we're getting new LB and DB coaches too. Davis and Taver were incompetent. Ryan Day looks like he's a good judge of talent....coaches and players. 

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joshsummers02's picture

Maybe he thought, "If I can't beat them, maybe I'll join them."

"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer."  - Albert Einstein

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joshsummers02's picture

Also, I could be wrong, but wasn't he considered a pretty decent LB coach at one point?  I think it would make sense to give him a co-coordinator and LB coach title, but have him focus primarily on the LBs.  Then, bring in another co-DC to call the defensive plays.  This could make sense as long as he is not the primary DC.

"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer."  - Albert Einstein

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Buckifan4Life's picture

Hmmmm... not sure how I feel about this. Not that my feelings matter. LOL! Gotta believe in coach Day and let him fill out his staff as he sees fit. Guess we'll see how this goes...

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Hovenaut's picture

Interesting...

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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PhillyNut's picture

Ok, seriously, how does anyone down vote a one word post of "Interesting"?

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Hovenaut's picture

I'll manage, Philly...(I think Ohio State's defense will as well)

All good.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Boom777's picture

First rule of down votes. Don’t talk about down votes lmao +1 for some giving you one too

Wherever you are, there you be!

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Earle's picture

Disinterestedly

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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Sanantonefan's picture

Evidently someone thinks down votes are interesting...

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Trebor40's picture

Though I agree with you I would also like to point out the ridiculous number of up votes for the same word! :)

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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IGotAWoody's picture

If this is an accurate report, it would be good if he brought Al Washington with him.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Hovenaut's picture

My first thought as well, tbh.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Horvath22's picture

Or, as Artie would say, "Verrrry interesting."

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SilverHaven's picture

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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KnuckIfYouBuck's picture

"Life's a garden, dig it." -Joe Dirt

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khardy's picture

Talking about old balls, Adam hasn't made a good movie in 20 years.

bigndog

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Turban Meyer's picture

16-17. Punch Drunk Love was released in 2002. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

247 also reporting that Davis will not be back as LB's coach...

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

May have been bucknuts, I went on a bit of a dizzy-blind internet searching rampage when I heard Schiano was gone... either way it's out there.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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AzBuckeye45's picture

Is Sciano going somewhere or, he just going home? Haven't seen anything on him other than he's leaving.

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Woody Hayes-1968

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I have been on the hunt, but as of right now it just seems as though he was relieved of his duties, with no clear destination in sight.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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SuperClark13's picture

I read over at Bucknuts that he was told that he will not be in charge of the defense anymore. from what i gathered he can still stay on staff as a positional coach if he chooses to.

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wyatt's picture

Any more coaches in the wedding procession available???    /s

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huffdaddy's picture

maybe he can be the deputy assistant AD

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Jumar's picture

maybe he can be the deputy to the assistant AD

FTFY

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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PhillyNut's picture

Wonder if they ran this past Larry Johnson before they decided on it.  Curious to hear how he feels about potentially reporting to Mattison.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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JSel16's picture

I have to believe he's Bill Davis' replacement, not Schiano's.

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typeOHpositive's picture

You are not going to come in here and tell the best D-Line coach in the country how to coach his D-Line, period. LJ should get veto power over anything that affects his line in a negative way in his mind!

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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Darksungm's picture

For all we know Day may have asked Johnson for recommendations. This has to unfold a little more.

Negativity is a choice.

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Bucks19's picture

Chill on the LJ front. Let’s not get our panties bunched up. Day is an adult. He will do what’s best. 

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typeOHpositive's picture

.....and LJ now has veto power....yessir !!

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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James Varney's picture

If Johnson has already been promoted to associate head coach, I'd imagine he had some input on these moves by Day, too. Guessing from a distance, this all looks like a joint Day/LJ operation on the defense. Go Bucks!

Beat Michigan!

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Hovenaut's picture

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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BuckeyeVet's picture

Any FIRM word on Larry Johnson's status? In my world he would have been the 1st one signed to a contract.

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx

"The recipient of Oyster's ONLY down vote".

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Hovenaut's picture

Last word I heard, BV. 

LJSR looks to be on contract through 2020.

I have to think he stays - commits are with him, and I can't see Day looking for change on the defensive line.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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wyatt's picture

Larry Johnson is the associate head coach now.  per Letterman Row.

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Aristotle's picture

I was concerned that as a first time head coach, Day would be reluctant to make too many changes. I am happy I was mistaken

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CC's picture

Schiano will be missed.  I know Mattison coached some great defenses with Urban at UF.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

69-70

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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CC's picture

Sorry I edited after I realized google knew everything.  You're right, 69.

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SilverHaven's picture

Questions 67 and 68.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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bd2999's picture

69 years old. At least is what a google search indicated. 

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

He also coached some pretty stout defenses for Baltimore. The two years he was there (2009-2010) they were 3rd in the league both years for points given up. Both only allowed 16.3 and 16.9 ppg. 

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lew-e's picture

i was sort of getting excited for schiano post grinch. Interesting. Very interesting. 

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youra6's picture

I wonder how much this will affect recruiting... Not a good sign imho.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Mattison is a hell of a recruiter. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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youra6's picture

We don't even know what kind of role Mattison will have on this team. We do know that Schiano is a great recruiter and that any momentum he started is now halted. Pipelines he opened are likely closed as well. 

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Darksungm's picture

The NFL is full of Michigan defensive linemen. Wow - that hurt to type.

Negativity is a choice.

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SilverHaven's picture

Fight thru' the pain.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Correct.  I have been seeing this mentioned as well.  I can't wait to see the rest of the pieces come into place.  I am hoping Mattison brings Washington with him.  And we can also hire Corey Raymond as a DC-in-waiting.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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martin anderson's picture

Wait.... I thought Alex Grinch was the DC in waiting after Schiano got a HC job. Sorry, I got last year confused with this year

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NHBuckeye's picture

Well the fact that Grinch is gone with Schiano leaving probably tells us what Day thought of Grinch. 

Fields of Dreams

 

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yantubos's picture

Yeah, it was until the defense SUCKED OUT LOUD. I'd be shocked if anyone other than Larry Johnson is retained on the defensive coaching staff.

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Buckiowa's picture

Let's all step back from the ledge here. Mattison is more than qualified for the position, and it made no sense to keep Schiano here while he had one foot out the door already, constantly looking to make the jump to the NFL. If Day hires some young, dynamic defensive position coaches who are good recruiters, I could see this working out very well.

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Moo Strength's picture

Agreed. The only bad thing I see out of this is how many handicap parking spots OSU will now need with all the senior men on the staff lol, and that’s a good thing. Mattison is a hell of a recruiter and let’s face it, We need a change and aside from one game for scUM this year in late November, their defense wasn’t getting raped repeatedly like ours. 

Schiano also seemed to be a my way/highway kind of guy. Maybe having Mattison greases the gears too on Washington joining Day. I hope so. 

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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Dstacify's picture

I just......I can't unsee that now lol. Why would you post a gif of what Jerry Sandusky is likely doing in prison atm?

11 Strong.

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45has2's picture

Most recently, the easy path to the end zone for OSU & UF.

Censores irrumasti.

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dan_isaacs's picture

That is hilarious!

Dan Isaacs

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

There just aren’t enough signs?  Go to one week of sign language classes and get this worked out.

or

if you get it, see a doctor and get rid of it

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Buxki84's picture

Isn't there like a 7 second delay on broadcasts so that they can edit this stuff out?

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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wyatt's picture

I still say Mattison was helpful in getting Zach Harrison to tOSU. Zach must have known what his position coachs' changes would be. We still have Larry Johnson as Associate Head Coach. 

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

My only concern is that TTUN's defense has NOT been able to stop a running QB.  I hope this problem does NOT surface here with his hire.

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Buckeyebull64's picture

Maybe they’ll switch roles here. Washington as DC, Mattison for LB

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brutus0717's picture

I'll bet ttun offers Washington the DC job to keep him.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Buckeyebull64's picture

I respect both these guys, but this really seems like a wash, performance wise. Seems odd to go this direction 

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Blackcoffee's picture

Best thing that could happen.

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polarbuck's picture

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You need to be humble or you will get humbled. - Jocko Willink

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CC's picture

Meaning NOOO... for Schiano leaving or Mattison coming?  Both are pretty solid imho.

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polarbuck's picture

I was really hoping for Corey Raymond, but now that Hafley is being paired with Mattison, LJ is sticking around and was promoted, Davis is OUT, and Taver is probably gone as well, I’m willing to take a wait and see approach. When is the Spring Game??

You need to be humble or you will get humbled. - Jocko Willink

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TheDizzle's picture

If Taver Johnson is out then Corey Raymond is still a possibility, I'd imagine that Hafley fills the Alex Grinch role from last year and not the Taver Johnson role. That leaves a spot for Raymond.

"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Everyone hit the brakes on jumping to the assumption that Mattison will be the new DC. We have open coaching spots, so it's not necessarily true that Schiano is being replaced by Mattison as DC, it could be that he's coming on staff in some role and that we'll hire a different DC.

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Buckeye06's picture

Yea Mattison could be coming in as a consultant or as the LBers coach.  Who knows.  He coached LBers with the Ravens and with Michigan at one point.

It could mean he will be 2nd chair (like Grinch) and we are still looking to bring in a bigger DC too (the Schiano role)

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MDBuckeye23's picture

Mattison can say "I coached Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Ed Reed, and Haloti Ngata all in their prime. You wanna be like them? Ok, let's get to work". Really hoping for Al Washington and Freeman too though. I love them as recruiters who connect with kids and really know the game well.

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Darksungm's picture

I like the consultant angle. Good call. Day needs an objective 3rd party for the cleanup our defense requires.

Negativity is a choice.

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kmp10's picture

That's a fair take, but the clear implication, at least to me, is that Schiano is out and Mattison is in as DC. I hope to God I'm wrong, because Mattison as DC, despite his connections to Meyer, would be a tremendous disappointment to me. I wanna buy what you're selling, TBDBITL... but I need more info. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I still tend to think it's fairly murky and that we're just inferring that Mattison is straight up replacing Schiano.

That could very well be the case, but just based on the Day hires/probable hires, Mattison coming here as the defensive coordinator at 70 years old seems suspect, especially when he basically looked on the verge of retirement a month ago.

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kmp10's picture

Again, very fair take... I just want some confirmation as to what a 70-year-old man's role will be on this staff... and I'm an old dude myself at 54, so I'm not anti-old guys, but at 70(ish), it's getting very close to the end of one's career. Recruiting seems like it takes an inordinate amount of energy and enthusiasm, and maybe Mattison has all of that and more, but his age is a bit of a concern for me, as is his recent near decade long run at *ichigan. The more I type this stuff, the more reasonable your take on this hire becomes. I mean, I cannot believe that Matison is the new DC at Ohio State... it's just too bizarre... so I'll go with your position coach or advisor role theory for now. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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AC1972's picture

I think it's a good idea to have a good mix of older and younger coaches.  If the culture is right, a solid succession plan would be great.  Wise savants mixed with high energy counterparts.  Impart the wisdom and culture, keep the train running. 

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Knarcisi's picture

Correct.  He could be a "co" as the guidance, with another younger "co" coming in to call the shots.  We gotta keep our "co".

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northwest_buckeye's picture

Hmm. Interesting. Just picking Michigan's best or eating their table scraps?

I've never said I 'hate' anyone because that would imply I had any emotion for them whatsoever.

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Blackcoffee's picture

No do not think so. Hairball is on the verge of a sinking ship. If he doesn't turn it around next season, he gone. Mattison isn't gonna gamble on him. He sees a better opportunity in his last few years coaching. Althought I could be completely wrong. Lol

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TGBuckeye's picture

Day only hired him cause he’s 69

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blocko330's picture

If your name was Maria Anderson, and not Martin, you would have zero downvotes and 50 upvotes.

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Gobucks's picture

I wonder if Mattison will be an assistant or more of a consultant role instead of DC? I believe Day is going after a lot of great young coaching minds, but respects Mattison’s wisdom....maybe.

"You don't have to like me, just respect me." - Woody Hayes

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Dstacify's picture

Sometimes it's good for young first time HCs to have a seasoned veteran perspective on staff. Think of this as similar to what Sean McVay has with Wade Phillips on the Rams staff.

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Dmac3212's picture

Matt Naggy with Vic Fangio minus the double doink

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Seems that Taver Johnson is out also

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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youra6's picture

Near clean slate on the defensive side it seems like.

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Dstacify's picture

Excluding LJ. If he goes Day will start making enemies in Columbus real quick.

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OSUFlash's picture

Didn't we just drop 60+ on his defense back November and Florida light them up for another 40+? Over 100 points in 2 games..............................freaking great!!!!!

osuflash

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gumtape's picture

Not what I expected but if the mgo crowd is upset then I am all for it.

High and tight boo boo

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CC's picture

I would say that's more of Don Brown thing then a Greg Mattison thing.

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DCBuckeye33's picture

He wasnt the DC. He didnt call the plays and likely didnt have a ton to do with scheme and game planning.

GO BUCKS

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LouBuck35's picture

Mattison isn't the DC, just the DL coach.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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kmp10's picture

Mattison was Hoke's DC... even worse.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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faux_maestro's picture

His defense was the only bright spot during the Hoke era.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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kmp10's picture

I'll have to take your word for it. I remember during Ohio State's 2013 B1G title loss season that *ichigan's defense was very bad most of that year, and I think Mattison was DC then. I believe he was DC until Harbaugh was hired. To be fair, though, I seem to recall in Hoke's first year that Michigan's defense was outstanding. The whole Hoke association thing is bothersome to me, but Hoke was so pitiful I'm sure I've overlooked some positives during his tenure there. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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45has2's picture

There is no bright spot in a black hole.

Censores irrumasti.

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Netbuck's picture

TTUN D was ranked 12,22,27 and 13 in S&P+ from 2011-14 under Mattison.  Not sure what to take from that.  Year 1 and 4 are good, 2 and 3, not so much.  I know their O went from 7th to 48th in that time span, so the D wasn't getting much help.  I guess having the 13th ranked D with the 48th ranked O in 2014 is something good.

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LJ's Ninjas's picture

Curious to know what our ranks with Schiano have been with arguably (but not really if you believe in recruiting rankings) greater talent. Also would like to know what DC's are out there today that have a better average ranking (let's say 3 years minimum) than Mattison did when he was calling the shots. I still think this an excellent hire, especially after seeing who will be the co-DC. With that said, would still love to know the data from the above points if you have quick/easy access to where you found your data Netbuck. 

Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.

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Netbuck's picture

Exactly.  The DL was the best thing on the TTUN D.  

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

That was Don Browns D. Mattison was still on staff in a reduced role in some capacity- not sure exactly what.

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AnnArborsBuckeye's picture

He was their DL coach only.

Get dumped then

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Respectthebox's picture

Would you rather give up 100+ points to Ohio State and Florida or Maryland and Purdue?

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Cptnvideo's picture

Would you rather give up 100+ points to Ohio State and Florida or Maryland and Purdue?

Now that is an excellent point. 

My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This deserves many upvotes.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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ATLBuckeye92's picture

Age isn't as big of a deal on the defensive side.  Don't forget the great Dick LeBeau was quite productive as a d-coordinator well into his 70s.

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bd2999's picture

I think it matters less for the NFL. And different people have different energy levels. I have seen older guys more energetic than younger guys, but if he is lower energy than they would need the position coaches to light it up to keep the players energized in the game.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Wasn't out on the trail recruiting, though. As a Steelers fan, I loved Dick LeBeau and haven't really digested this move enough to know if I love it or hate it. I supposes we have to let all the pieces fall into place before we know what we've got. 

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ATLBuckeye92's picture

I'm a Bengals fan, but loved LeBeau except as our head coach.  Respected the heck out of him.  Agree on recruiting.  Also agree on not sure if its a great move or not.  Creating turmoil at a rival is good though.  Day knows more about what he's doing than any of us.  My point was as much new fresh ideas are more important on offense.  Defense is more about soundness where tried and true still works.

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Dstacify's picture

I loved LeBeau as an innovative defensive mind (hands down one of the best lf his era). And he was an Ohio guy through and through. But God did I hate him as our HC. He had no clue how to manage a team whatsoever (I distinctly him changing QBs three times in 1 game once and none of that was due to injury). Very nice guy and well respected but not at all cut out to be a HC.

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MAVBuck's picture

Lets not get crazy and start comparing the two though.

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bucknut24's picture

Wasn't Mattison Meyer's DC at Florida?

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LouBuck35's picture

Yes, think I read it was 05-07 and won a NC.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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rkylet83's picture

Charlie Strong was the coordinator when they lit us up in 06-07.

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BrutusB's picture

Mattison and Strong were "Co-DC".  Meyer's always loved doing that.

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rkylet83's picture

You’re right.  I’m hoping Day likes that too because the thought of Mattison alone is scary.  

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MAVBuck's picture

They were co-coordinators

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LouBuck35's picture

LGHL just tweeted that it makes sense to possibly pair Mattison with a younger D coach and co-coordinate the D. Who knows?

I don't really have a good feel on this yet. It could be good, bad or somewhere in the middle. Need to see the other moves first.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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NHBuckeye's picture

Corey Raymond baby!   Please let this happen.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

Part of me wonders what his role will be (can't imagine sole DC), so then the other part of me wonders if there is something going on with LJ that we are not aware of?  

Ring the f**king bell, you pansy

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DroneBuck's picture

Good. I wanted major shakeups on defense. Everyone gone for all I care. Yes even Larry Johnson if necessary. I'm fine with LJ staying but don't think he's the end all be all of defensive line coaches like some on here do.

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LB U's picture

LJ is the best defensive line coach in the country. He's the second best coach on staff.

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MAVBuck's picture

Think you had a typo, LB U. "LJ is the best defensive line coach in the history of the country!"

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Keyser Soze's picture

Drone you need a timeout for that comment. 

That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

LJ May be the best linebackers coach in history

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CC's picture

Yes even Larry Johnson if necessary.

Yeah I don't see how that's possible.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Yes even Larry Johnson if necessary

Not necessary.

Class of 2010.

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Meek's picture

9 minutes in and this comment is already grayed out. Scorcher.

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Spoon's picture

I'm with you in terms of major shakeups with the defensive staff, but your take on Larry Johnson is just plain bad.

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WPB-Buckeye's picture

Boo this man!!!!!!

Go Bucks!

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Buckeye_Condor's picture

Idk if you all got this impression from interviews Schiano gave this year but they seemed different than previous years. before he seemed like he was confident and wanted to be here. this year not so much. could be imagining things. 

I liked the guy but he seemed kinda disenchanted with coaching after his off season shenanigans

Connor Brown

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CC's picture

Getting publicly railroaded at Tennessee will do that to a guy.

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Buckeye_Condor's picture

lol yeahhhh put that on Coors Cold Hard Facts.

Connor Brown

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

This feels like an a Urban Meyer hire. When Urban hires close friends it doesn’t always work out. And he’s 70 (cue the negative e recruiting James Franklin). TTUN’s defense just sucked against us and Florida, though. Half their team quit for the bowl game. 

That said, TTUN’s Dline recruiting and play has been the best part of their defense during Urban’s time here.  The guys knows how to recruit and coach. He’s likely not angling to leave coaching for awhile and doesn’t want to be a head coach (we’d only have Schiano for one year).

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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CC's picture

Agree re: Urban hire, but he wasn't the DC at UM and may not be at OSU.

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osu78's picture

 And he’s 70 (cue the negative e recruiting James Franklin)

If I was a coach and another coach used that I'd say to the recruit "So he doesn't think he can get you ready for the NFL in three years? How long does he expect it to take?"

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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BroJim's picture

Ambivalent feelings!

I season my simple food with hunger

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rkylet83's picture

If he’s on as DC then...not liking this at all.  If he’s helping as an assistant and getting Al Washington to replace Davis then I’m a bit more excited. 

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DOUEVENURBZ's picture

I like this as long as it’s a quality control type role. I guess Mattison’s contract was up at UM anyway. Hopefully it means nothing about L Johnson

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

In Day we trust. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Agree.  There are more moves coming.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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mockjocks's picture

I'm sure he'd like to earn everyone's trust - he's definitely got his priorities in order. Earn Urbans, earn Genes, win the existing locker room, win top recruits, etc - usually will translate to Buckeye Nation being on board. But don't underestimate the power of Buckeye Nation. Don't ever underestimate it.

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Mikeosu02's picture

I get what you are saying, but a head coach who is worried about what the fan base thinks of his coaching moves is not going to be a head football coach for very long.

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Earle's picture

I forget who said it, but the old quote goes along the lines of, "If you start paying attention to what the fans say, you'll end up sitting with them".

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

I'm always a fan of the "Let me check out Facebook to see what I should do..." memes. As for me, I'm not even for a millisecond going to start questioning Coach Day at this point. He's already been a wild success and hasn't coached a full season yet. There's a good chance that these hires are after years of outreach behind closed doors for some talent and wisdom that just didn't fit the timing. I kinda felt like much of the failures on the defensive side were due to Schiano's "too big for this job" attitude. He was supposed to be a HC again and OSU was the "consolation prize." It certainly showed on the field due to lack of preparation and execution on the field. Blame Davis, Grinch, whomever else, but this was one of the worst defenses I've ever seen fielded by the Buckeyes. I was certainly ready for a change. Talent will take you places, preparation will be the vehicle that gets you there. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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mockjocks's picture

I couldn't agree more, Earle. And trust, I'm not trying to be a contrarian, here. I'm just saying that there are just as many ex-coaches sitting in the stands who ignored their core base of fans, supporters, boosters.

Again, he's got his priorities in order. I'm sure it'll translate to earning the fans trust - whether he's looking for it or not.

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stxbuck's picture

That quote is pure gold. The 11W ownership should post that in the masthead.

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mockjocks's picture

Public Relations is what I'm talking about. I said he's got his priorities in order, in my post. 

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AlwaysBrutusBaby's picture

This right here, Day's no dummy. He had a front row seat to what happens when blind loyalty gets in front of best man for the job. I trust he'll do what's best for the program (and his career) too.

You can write all the scripts for people you want, it doesn't mean they're going to take direction.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Smart move coach Day. Win with your people. We were terrible on D and the guy who didn't deliver is gone. Hopefully the next addition is huge too. I like your ownership of this team.

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

From the Mgo thread on the topic:

KennyGfanLMAO

January 7th, 2019 at 1:29 PM ^

Maybe this is what we need to shake up our offense. "Oh snap, Coach Matty knows this offense too well after defending against it every practice for 4 years. I guess we'll have to pass on first down every once in a while!"

Joined: 11/04/2009

MGoPoints: 2799

Anyway, I'll wait until I see the results on the field to form an opinion.

I aim to misbehave.

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

Anyway, I'll wait until I see the results on the field to form an opinion.

Bro, that's not how the internet works

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Crumb's picture

Crazy. Buckle up.

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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CarolinaBuck's picture

Michigan just gave up 100 plus points in their last two games. This is the best we can do?

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Buxki84's picture

Hopefully he doesn't bring DB Watson with him.

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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v65animal's picture

Keep Larry Johnson, Greg Mattison will be a nice add. Hopefully these two can help mentor some younger guys like Al Washington... To me this is more like the wheels coming off the Bus in *ichigan! Love it!

Go Bucks!

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Maka's picture

Gotta think this will only help in landing Bresee. 2 of the top DL coaches in the entire country. 

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TNT's picture

Their line got basically zero pressures on us while Day was OC... I guess Day likes that he knows how he thinks?

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nomatta's picture

What the hell.

the empire never ended

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Blackcoffee's picture

I think whatever else, Hairball is sorta freaking out.

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avail31678's picture

Interesting...is D-line coach really a promotion?

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thedewman10's picture

Maybe Mattison called Day and begged to come here so he could win an OSU-xich game before he retires.

TheDewMan10

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martin anderson's picture

Like the old saying goes, if you can't beat em, then join em

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Knarcisi's picture

Martin, what's your take on the hire?

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martin anderson's picture

Since you asked the question I'll let you go first

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Knarcisi's picture

Not a headliner, but I will trust Day.  What I do like is he is not allowing people to stay that don't perform at championship level.  Not sure about the hire, but I will reserve judgement until I see performance.  And otherwise, I like the message.  

So, what do you think about all the expert whiners on here?

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martin anderson's picture

Since I do my own fair share of whining I can't complain

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Knarcisi's picture

Man, now I know where to go where I need some hiring advice with all the expertise on here.  And for sensitivity training since old people can't coach.  But hey, 69 !!!

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thedewman10's picture

And while offensive and defensive schemes have changed over the years, the DL and OL schemes, if any, don’t change much. They are the smash mouth guys and their job down through football time is too...well...smash a mouth and protect or break a leg of a QB, whichever line they are on. So in my opinion, age does not factor in except that it is more experience.

TheDewMan10

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martin anderson's picture

Best of all, the advice is free

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nomatta's picture

On one hand, Michigan has had a large number of solid defensive performances under him.

On the other hand, he is quite old and has gotten torched by high-level teams like us.

scUM fans probably ain't even mad.

the empire never ended

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brband64's picture

Those who stay will be hired by Day.

"Maybe the Big Ten is not that bad. Maybe it's pretty damn good.'' ~ Urban Meyer

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stxbuck's picture

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

As far as whole 'What about recruiting" thing, I'm not worried. There will always be assistants who are leaned on more for recruiting, and those who are more there for the coaching. People over-analyze the whole 'Is he a good recruiter' thing-either a coach knows how to relate to football players-and is willing to put in the odometer/frequent flyer miles necessary to make contact and establish relationships or he isn't. 

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Football truism #1: Speed kills

Football truism #2: Experience matters, and doesn’t necessarily have an expiration date in regards to coaching

Football Truism 3: TTUN sucks

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I am hoping that Larry Johnson gets made whole here... the man is solid gold and I hate to see him getting passed over again like he did at PSU!  The man is flat out the reason we have the studs at the defensive line and why kids want to come here!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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Whosisbrew's picture

Day doing it his way.

Listen to what I say.

Maybe I'll eat some hay.

I just may.

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Tbone107's picture

I honestly like the move, I think it is easier to pull in the position coaches with an older DC bc they know the job will open up sooner than later for them to potentially step in. Whereas if it is a young dc I could see that scaring away good young position coaches potentially. 

Hopefully i.e. future dc in waiting Corey Raymond

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huffdaddy's picture

So we have a lot of defensive line coaches now?

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

But still no one to take over the business some day.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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JCM's picture

Ryan Day is going all Michael Corleone: "Today, I settle all family business". 

Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye

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stpetebuck's picture

Aha. Keep your enemies closer 

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tampatom's picture

Mattison is here as DC for a year maybe 2 max and has a ton of experience, then the Co Coordinator they bring in knows he is going to retire and will get the job and avoid what happened with Schiano. I am holding my reaction until I see the entire slate of coaches. Not like the guy is losing his memory and Saban has no trouble recruiting at his age

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aledyard's picture

I think this is a great hire.  Mattison has headed up some great defenses over the years at Michigan, Florida, and in the NFL with Baltimore. 

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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Knarcisi's picture

Come on, let's not look at performance.  He's old and from TTUN, so he sucks.  

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BrutusB's picture

So Day led the offense that carved up Michigan, then thought to himself "yea I want their coach"....?

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bd2999's picture

Not as the DC though. He had some solid defenses under him without the talent OSU has on defense. So it may not be too bad. He is more towards the retirement age than the start, for sure, but that is my only real worry. How does he do recruiting guys when he may not be around for ages.

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UrbanCulture's picture

Doesn't seem to make sense for OSU to want Mattison, or for Mattison to want OSU.

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cw823's picture

Makes sense that Mattison would want anything other than Michigan.

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REVANS52US's picture

Seems like a knee jerk reaction to swap Schiano with Mattison.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Per Bucknuts....Davis is out

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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SilverState's picture

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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Dstacify's picture

If Washington elects to stay in AA (don't know why he would at this point as Harbaugh's ship is sinking to the bottom of Lake Erie right now) they need to immediately set their sights on Freeman. Fingers crossed that's what happens.

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niblick's picture

no way we're hiring a DC that was around before the forward pass was invented

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bucksfan92's picture

I'm not even going to pretend like I know this guy is, assistant coaches to me are like recruits - I pay zero attention to them until they are wearing scarlet and grey, but I'll throw this in to strip up the pot - maybe Mattison was a plant up north?  Now that he's fulfilled his duty there he is being rewarded with a job in Columbus. hmmm... :)

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bucksfan92's picture

I'm not even going to pretend like I know this guy is, assistant coaches to me are like recruits - I pay zero attention to them until they are wearing scarlet and grey, but I'll throw this in to strip up the pot - maybe Mattison was a plant up north?  Now that he's fulfilled his duty there he is being rewarded with a job in Columbus. hmmm... :)

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

^^ this.  We live in a conspiracy theory world (well...I do).  This explains a lot.  Can’t wait for your next gem. 

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CardaleFTW's picture

I think I'm going to puke. If he was 49 instead of 69, I'm all for it.

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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mockjocks's picture

MICHIGAN DEFENSIVE LINE COACH GREG MATTISON WILL JOIN RYAN DAY'S STAFF, ACCORDING TO MULTIPLE REPORTS

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M5gatronBuckeye's picture

Legit made me laugh. Well done

"We'd wipe the floor with them" - Evan Spencer

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ohiopanda's picture

Did Day or Urban hire him? He’s obviously better than Bill Davis, and I guess we’ll see how he does as DC. 

Is Larry Johnson not interested in DC? Can’t really blame him if not though

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bd2999's picture

The guy did have good defenses, so it is not a horrible higher. Day hired him, he is the head coach.

I don't think LJ has recently expressed interest in being a head coach or a coordinator. I may be wrong. He seems pleased in making great defensive linemen.

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cvbuckeye's picture

Hmm, this 69 year old Buckeye Fan says Standby to Standby and Fasten Your Seatbelts!!

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Lifetime Michigan guy comes to OSU, don't know if I could do that if I were Mattison. 

If Washington comes, the Michigan boards will melt down exponentially (is that a thing?) with 2 of their coaches coming South.  They think OSU is the filthy, bagman school that Michigan ACTUALLY was during the reign of the Fab 5, and that all the scandal that has come out of Ann Arbor never really happened.  Delusional and I love their tears. 

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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Sanantonefan's picture

The past few days have been so much fun! Chaos and speculation! Armchair coaching! So much angst! I have been entertained. Some folks are like...

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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CardaleFTW's picture

I would definitely like to see Matt House from UK come in and be a Co-DC along with Mattison.

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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mathandler1's picture

I seem to remember that Urban wanted Mattison before but Michigan just hired him. I always thought he had good defenses up there. We needed changes and I don't know how many other coaches wanted the job.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

May be unpopular, but I’m not a huge fan of the Mattison move. I’m good with moving on from Schiano, but hiring a 69 year old assistant doesn’t seem that smart as it relates to dealing with retirement rumors on the recruiting trail.

I’m sure Day knows what he’s doing, and who joins his staff is up to him, but this hire would confuse me a little.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Bucks19's picture

Well damn. Let’s just send him back to AA. What was Day even thinking. 

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HSBDAWG's picture

Why are we judging a coach that only was a Position coach not like he could set the standers there. D Brown was the one that was drilling the chicken Coach Mattison was just the one watching the feathers fling.

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Dstacify's picture

He was DC there under Hoke and was pretty solid. He had an even better run as the Ravens DC before that under the less insane Harbaugh.

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HSBDAWG's picture

No man i agree with you people are wanting to jump on him for Mchicken now that is why i said what i said. i agree though with you he has been part of some great Def. teams. He was was with the ravens when the had lewis and ed read and a few others i am waiting to see the whole picture and how it plays out be for i say anything. This is Coach Day putting his spin on things i just hope he gets a 2 year or more agreement with these coach's like UFM did.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

If you are one of the many people who has been pointing out that "Nick Bosa will be the #1 pick, while Rashan Gary went to Michigan and disappeared LOL," you better not be telling us now why this is a genius move for the Buckeyes

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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BucksHave7's picture

Disappeared?  Gary projected as top 10 pick.

BucksHave7

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kiester's picture

Willie Henry, Chris Wormley, Taco Charlton,  Ryan Glasgow and Mo Hurst... names sound familiar? All are in the NFL now too.

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Vberger's picture

I told you all this was happening yesterday and promptly received -10 HS for it lol.

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cemitchell20's picture

Can verify. Here's a plus one to help compensate haha.

Go Bucks

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Plus one from me. Sorry you got DV'd for reporting... lol

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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My Dad Is A Wolverine But I'm A Buckeye's picture

+1 for being a Pearl Jam fan!

Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North. 

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GV9's picture

I love this move.  Mattison is a very experienced hand at a DC. If Al Washington comes with him, even better.  Mattison will be a transitional figure until he retires or Day can find the exact fit he is looking for as DC.  I do regret not seeing what Grinch would've/could've done as DC but so be it.  Schiano lost a lot of luster after this past season so I don't mind seeing him head elsewhere.  Davis out is good news; hopefully Al W. to fill that opening.   Not sure about Taver but hated all the interference penalties.  Will Stud be back?     Interesting times for Buckeye football; Good Times for Buckeye football!  

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GV9's picture

I love this move.  Mattison is a very experienced hand at a DC. If Al Washington comes with him, even better.  Mattison will be a transitional figure until he retires or Day can find the exact fit he is looking for as DC.  I do regret not seeing what Grinch would've/could've done as DC but so be it.  Schiano lost a lot of luster after this past season so I don't mind seeing him head elsewhere.  Davis out is good news; hopefully Al W. to fill that opening.   Not sure about Taver but hated all the interference penalties.  Will Stud be back?     Interesting times for Buckeye football; Good Times for Buckeye football!  

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maximumblitz's picture

If I recall correctly, Mattison only "busted himself" from the NFL to college DL coach to be near his grandson.  It is entirely possible that his grandson is now over 18. So this makes a lot of sense.

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Dstacify's picture

Well he was also good friends with Brady Hoke. That's how he originally came to TTUN as DC. Him electing to take a demotion and stay once Harbaugh took over very well might've had something to do with his grandson though.

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maximumblitz's picture

The next 10 year war just started today.  Call it the second Bo war.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

IF they can get Washington...it really takes away the best parts of their defense. Their back 7 has always been the problem.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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martin anderson's picture

This show is going to get better ratings than "As the World Turns"

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8MileBuckeye's picture

I can’t imagine at 69 he’s got many years left until he retires,why hire a guy that could retire next year and then we have to deal with the whole scenario of filling the spot again.

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BucksHave7's picture

Day just needs a seasoned and proven Defensive Leader for next season or 2. 

BucksHave7

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Dstacify's picture

I'm calling it. Mattison is just a placeholder until Freeman elects to return to OSU.

11 Strong.

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Bucks19's picture

Couldn’t be more wrong. 

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BoroBuck's picture

I have it all figured out..  Can we have LJ be the EDL Coach and Mattison be the IDL Coach?

Exterior Defensive Line & Interior Defensive Line..

Dont crucify me, I am selling my Helmet Stickers for pokemons..

Boro Buck

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zenshade's picture

Man, I think a lot of you aren't as happy as you should be about Mattison.  When TTUN hired Harbaugh, they had 99 problems, but Mattison most definitely was not one of them.  He's a great recruiter, and exactly the kind of vastly experienced and knowledgable defensive coach you want to re-build a struggling defense, when you know that you (Day) are going to be more involved on the offensive side.  He's the right coach at the right time in his career to put the defense on a solid foundation.

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BucksHave7's picture

This should assure Al Washington comes over too and as DC in waiting at tOSU.

BucksHave7

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ncinthenext3's picture

I sure as hell hope so.  A LB coach is this team's most glaring need on defense.  

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martin anderson's picture

I thought Alex Grinch was the DC in waiting?

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Bucks19's picture

There is 1.3 million reasons why he left 

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Bucks19's picture

Well this will get good. He was horrible at Michigan according to many here simply because he was at Michigan. Now some of you will consider him the Savior. 

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kiester's picture

Really? The scUM fans I know have been raving about him since Hairball came on. He produced a lot of NFL talent too, a lot of which was not from top-tier talent. Not saying hes going to be a great DC, but maybe he isnt all that bad either. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I applaude Day for seeing what we all saw and not taking the comfortable way out. Rip it down to the studs. Day wants a simple aggressive defense. This is what Mattison is good at

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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tcm1968's picture

This thread cracks me up. Mattison has one foot in the grave because he's 69 apparently. 

He's 2 freaking years older than Larry Johnson. A guy that everyone says has a lot left in tank. A dude that were he to leave would probably melt down the 11w servers.... and again he's 3 years younger than the guy everyone seems to think is too old..

Mattison knows football. He's respected. He can still recruit. He might help swing Washington to the good guys... and oh yeah. It cripples Michigan. In terms of coaching and in terms of the head coach looking like a flat out liar. Harbaugh had to do some last minute stuff with recruits assuring them there would be no defensive coaching changes...  

You take away Michigans two best coaches, two best recruiters, you paint Harbaugh as a liar, you get coaches who know football, who can recruit and to me that's A WIN WIN WIN WIN!

This could also mean Brown is out at Michigan and Mattison wasn't offered the gig.... as people have hinted.. They have some GIANT club house issues up there... more coaching changes coming..

Welcome to Buckeye Nation..

Go Bucks!

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Dmac3212's picture

But he is 3 years older than Belicheck and we all know the game passed him by a long time ago. 

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NoVAsmitty's picture

And also just two years older than that other old fogey, washed up, has been Nick Saban.

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Spoon's picture

Feeling pretty ambivalent about it. On the one hand, I'm happy to see a little house cleaning on the defensive side of the ball. The play of the back 7 this year was just plain maddening. So I'm definitely happy that Davis is rumored to be out. Won't miss Schiano all that much.

As for poaching from michigan, I like anything that weakens them. But I'm not certain that Mattison is all that great. I know their issue on defense was primarily scheme, not talent development. They wouldn't have had the #1 defense (statistically) otherwise. I get that they ran into a freakin buzzsaw in Columbus, but giving up 55 on defense? With zero sacks and zero QB pressures? Yikes.

Would definitely like to grab their LB coach, though.

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villain612's picture

Honestly, the way Ryan Day has been kicking ass this past month, I'm inclined to trust him on this stuff.

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Cptnvideo's picture

Me, three.

My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.

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hetuck's picture

Hope this works better than the last former TUN coach IIRC to come here, that being Elliott Uzelac. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Crumb's picture

I'm just not sure. I think most people up north are saying the same thing Nebraska people did about Tim Beck, and that cost us a national title. 

I'm not against the hire, but if it doesn't work out, Day needs to not hesitate to pull the trigger and can an unproductive assistant. Time and change. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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bd2999's picture

Given how below average last years defense was, how much lower could it drop in general? Big plays were fairly consistent against subpar or good teams. Have to see how it plays out, just any improvement would be good. He could also be a co-coordinator. In which case his experience would be good. A younger guy could take the full position in a year or so then.

With Beck, it went from a good offense to one that never worked quite right. Here we had a defense that struggled by OSU standards and making a change. They are a bit different.

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Bucks19's picture

So he’s on thin ice and on notice before he gets here? Can’t wait for 2019 game day threads already. SMH

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buckzilla1's picture

You gotta be kidding me. Lose Grinch and Schiano and get a Michigan man as your DC? 

I just do not get it. 

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McLovin2.0's picture

Did you read the article about co-DC's or just want to complain?

Also, Mattison was on Urban's staff at UF.

Couldn't be worse than the shit show Schiano rolled out (and new LB coach will be nice).

What, are you trying to be an Irish R&B singer??

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Cptnvideo's picture

Another point:  Michigan's defense held Northwestern to less points than we did - and on Northwestern's field, as well. 

And one more point:  Day said in the above article that Mattison knows the Big 10 - as well as  TTUN.

So I think it is a good hire.  Plus Day knows a WHOLE lot more about who to hire than I do.  Or any other 11dubbers as well.

My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.

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CptMorgan's picture

Can we please ask Chris Ash to come back? He hasn't helped Rutgers as a HC.... Come back to be our DC Chris!

Stay Spicy my friends!

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BucksHave7's picture

An Ash for Schiano trade would have been nice.

BucksHave7

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VaBuck1's picture

If Mattison is coming in to help mentor/tutor a "co-DC" or "future" DC then this moves makes a ton of sense.  Mattison was a highly regarded DC.  Day is going after talent all over the place ...

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huffdaddy's picture

Pete Thamel report:

Source: Jeff Hafley will be the co-defensive coordinator at Ohio State. He was the DBs coach in San Francisco.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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ncinthenext3's picture

Well, he's certainly not 69 years old.

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CreekBuck's picture

Bewildered

You win with people.

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Canukbuck's picture

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!

Coach Day was firing on all cylinders and then he pulls bone-head hire of Mattison ??  I'm still trying to pull my jaw up from the ground - please tell me that there are younger, more capable defensive minds out there than this Michigan dust bunny .....

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GeorgiaBuckeye2114's picture

Someone named Jeff Haley is being hired as the Co-DC

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Buckeye Hill's picture

I hope I am wrong but what if this hire is happening because Larry Johnson may go to Maryland. I hope that is not the case. I am trying to make sense of hiring a 69 year old DC.

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Spoon's picture

I would be surprised to see LJ bolt for Maryland or anywhere else. He's had ample opportunity over the course of a long, successful career to take a DC job elsewhere but never has. I don't see why he would do so now at his age. I think he just likes coaching DL.

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BBQ_Fan's picture

+1 He likes it (DL coach), he's really good at it, and he's paid well.  Not everyone is a constant ladder climber, especially in the latter years of their careers. 

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ncinthenext3's picture

Mattison wants some gold pants.

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BucksHave7's picture

Id upvote you 100 times if I could!

BucksHave7

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BeaverOhioBuckeye's picture

If you think for one minute this is a bad hire you are a Moron and haven't watched CFB the past few years. Mattison is simply Excellent and Washington will be icing on the cake. Also has anyone heard of Mike Tressels name being tossed around???

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Frimmel's picture

Nothing to do but wait till all the staff changes shake out. I don't doubt Day ran all of this past both AD Smith and Coach Meyer. I doubt he's making these decisions on an island. It is a bit surprising though. I certainly got the idea that Schiano wasn't adjusting the defense to what the strengths of his players were. 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

During the Hoke era at Michigan, I regularly said that if it weren't for Mattison, the Michigan program would be complete trash. Eventually, their offense became so bad under Hoke - and they could not run the ball to save their lives - that Michigan's program became trash in spite of Mattison. But, trust me, the dude can coach.  

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kmp10's picture

You're the second person to have said this. I don't remember, to be honest. I do recall that in Hoke's first year he had a really good defense, but in 2013 their defense was really bad... which I remember because the Buckeyes struggled tremendously on defense that season as well. I believe Mattison was their DC both years. Aside from those two defensive seasons, Hoke's pitiful tenure was a blur for me. 

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45has2's picture

Michigan had great defenses until they played anything above a mediocre offense. This hire tells me Bama is no longer the target, BGSU is.

Censores irrumasti.

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NoMad Buck's picture

I mean, I trust the staff, but this is an odd hire. Everything out of that ttun indicated that Mattison was looking to retire; not sure how long he'll want to stick around here.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

In 2010, which was Rich Rod's last season as Michigan head coach, the Michigan defense gave up 35.2 points per game. S&P ranked that Michigan defense 81st, which actually seems generous to me.

In 2011, the first year under Hoke with Mattison as DC, Michigan gave up 17.4 points per game and S&P ranked them 23rd.

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LWiegand91's picture

Any rumors or thoughts on Freeman coming back. He has been and LB coach and a DC. Is younger, been a great recruiter down in Cincy the past few years. He could be an understudy to some of the vets on D side of things. Could have Washington, Mattison and Freeman?

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Buckeye BadDog's picture

“But admit there was no splendor in all the bright array
Like the glory of the going when Chic Harley got away.” -James Thurber

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn!" -Woody Hayes

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Jcole737's picture

Sounds like Day has 2 more bullets on the Defensive side (replacements for Taver and Davis).    Hopefully they go with some recruiting studs with those spots.  Freeman for LB/Co-DC and Raymond for CB's would be my picks!

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buckeyetodd92's picture

Looks like Zach Harrison made the right choice -- he gets both D-line coaches he was interested in.

And the Wolverine media are upset that Mattison is leaving, so that's a good sign, right? 

True story: I served ribs to John Cooper.

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blocko330's picture

I don't pretend to know more about football or personnel than Ryan Day so I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy this hire as well any and all that are sure to come in the future.

Go Bucks!

Beat FAU!

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

Mgo posters stating that Mattison called current players and told them his contract was not renewed . 

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'57Champs's picture

ttun beat writer... I so hope we get Washington too... just to rub it in:

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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Eph97's picture

Lots of moves today. Sticking it to UM by getting GMatt. Schiano gone. Wow. Day:

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jbuckeye007's picture

very strange - so who is the Chief on the Defense?  The Co head coach (Larry Johnson) or one of the Co D coordinators (Mattison and Haley) ???

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SilverHaven's picture

Is it a matter of who coaches what??  Or is it a matter of getting LJ a pay raise by upping his title to assoc coach?

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jbuckeye007's picture

I bet your ritght - it is just to get LJ a well deserved raise!  And the other 2 will be running the rest of the D.

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Buckeyedoc99200's picture

Would the old "If you cant beat em, join em" analogy be a bit corny right about now?

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PHBUCK's picture

Does anyone think that OSU has less talent than TTUN on defense? I know we hung it 62 on them but I don't feel they have the same talent that Mattison is going to have here. Would not surprise me one bit if at the end of next season we were a top 10 D.

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RMLogic's picture

Michigan had better defensive talent especially at all 3 LB spots.

No team in the B1G had worse LBs than OSU. Playing 2  MAC level talents in Borland and Werner was insane.

The defensive performance from the coaches and players was unacceptable. One of the worst in history and the coaches kept playing the guys that stunk.

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Buckbuster's picture

I don't like this hire. Too old. Won't look good with recruits. Plus, why would we want anything from the TTUN?

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old grizzled veteran's picture

GREAT !!  SURE HOPE HE CAN RECRUIT THE BEST YOUNG MEN FOR THE BUCKEYES !!!

old griz veteran

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Still processing all of these changes, but my first impression was not that good.  A year ago, we thought we had the best staff in the country, were laughing at those TN clowns, and were happy to have GS back for at least one more year.  Last year's D was not up to standards, but I still don't think that you can hang that all on GS.  With the exception of last year, his D has bee an fine.  Throw in his recruiting prowess, especially in the NJ, East coast region, and he's pulled his weight since he's been here.  As for the new hire, I was on board with bringing in a Michigan guy, just not this guy.  He may be a decent position coach, and may or may not still be a good recruiter (according to Mblow), but he certainly doesn't appear to be a long term solution.  And, nothing on the San Fran guy's resume screams out "best available".  On the surface, he's just a buddy of Day, which is what many on here criticized UFM for doing.  One of the benefits of promoting from within (Day) was continuity, and not having to burn the whole house down just to remodel the kitchen.  I hope he knows what he's doing.  

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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RMLogic's picture

The defense had breakdowns last year as well. The Iowa game was embarrassing. Baker played with effort only when he wanted to.

The secondary play was average with too many PI penalties.

This year was just a total disaster.

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DonTurner's picture

Not sure what to make of this

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Jcole737's picture

I wonder if they simply don't give Mattison a position group.  He can focus on the D overall and the primary recruiter for each position will be the younger position coaches (Hafley safety or DB,  Washington/Freeman LB, and Busch/Raymond Safety/DB) and Larry Johnson DL.  Then it's not as disruptive when he inevitably retires a couple years from now.

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Interrobanged's picture

Florida 2006 Coaches:

HC - Urban Meyer

DC - Greg Mattison

OC - Dan Mullen

If you can't beat them, hire them?

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Octane100's picture

Look I’m not trying to be negative but this is flat out a terrible hire! We have smoked his Defense repeatedly.  Secondly, Greg Mattison is too old, the game has passed him by and in all honesty should consider retirement! This is by far the biggest surprise and most disappointing thing since Urban retired! Lastly I have to question the ability to recruit???? What a disaster!

Guess it’s time for a beer....thanks for all the downvotes in advance!! Sorry, but this is how I feel

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RMLogic's picture

They smoked his defense because OSU has elite offensive talent that most times score on anyone.

They smoked Saban's defense. Its only when the OC go into shutdown tressel mode that the offensive does notput 40-50 on everyone.

Anyone complaining about this must not have watched this horrific defense this year where the play was HISTORICALLY bad.

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bd2999's picture

The guy is a good recruiter, I concede the age part of it, but that does not mean he is a bad coach. Nor does OSU smoking a defense. He turned Michigan's defense around in most respects, at least in terms of statistics. Given how poorly OSU's defense was this past year it is not like it will be much worse. 

OSU has better talent than most teams, of course they will smoke them. 

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teddyballgame's picture

Just glad we're cleaning house...I haven't forgot about how bad the defense was this year.  FFS, Oregon State scored more on us than many of the lesser opponents on their schedule.  The defensive line was the only group I somewhat trusted.

Don't know anything about Hafley, but Mattison is actually pretty solid, he was not one of Harbaugh's guys though so he could really on tread water over there.

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VickVega24's picture

Not bad, but I wish they would made offer to Bud Foster

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Knarcisi's picture

LOL! Talk about overrated. Did you see his run defense this year? 

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Buckeyeneer's picture

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Not exactly sure why they hired another d line coach don't make much sense to me.

Noon games suck

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jobuckeyes's picture

Assuming we are still missing a Linebacker coach, who are the candidates for this position given the latest moves?

Go Bucks!

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

It does not make sense to bring in the old guy. Unless you wanted to take at least somebody from TTUN. It would have been better to go with a young guy like Washington. Not really sure about this hire. Hope he stays out of Johnson’s way. TTUN fans say they are fighting to keep Washington. This may wind up as a “I  don’t know hire. We will see. Hoping for Washington but not really sure. 

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robocard's picture

I guess Mattison really wanted some gold pants before he eventually retires. Only way he was ever getting them so good for him (and us, hopefully).

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

Rumor is Washington just got offered the d Coordinator job at TTUN with big pay raise. Now who do we go after for linebackers coach?

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Home run  
 

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Chrisjvaz's picture

It was a matter of time. I think many had this perception of Schiano, that just did not fit him. His scheme was only fitting if he had the talent there. I don’t think he was great at adjusting when that talent was not there, AND finding a way to utilize what he had the right way. 

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Ca114fire's picture

Well. I guess the questions about Day being able to break a few eggs for an omelet have been answered. Not sure how to feel about it. But worst case, he can't possibly be around long. Guess we'll see.

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

We din’n Need him but ok. I guess we had to take somebody from TTUN.

Nikki emmerson

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

We din’n Need him but ok. I guess we had to take somebody from TTUN.

Nikki emmerson

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ELJTSA76's picture

Pretty disappointing, to be honest. I was hoping we could do a little better than old, vanilla, and solid. This, along with the Hadley hire ( who is an interesting if not spectacular hire) means that Day struck out on his first few choices, Raymond, Busch, and some others, I’d guess. I would rather have Washington, but it looks like he wants to stay in AA as their new DC. I’m sure it’s a big raise, but ttun is a sinking ship. What’s next...?

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yantubos's picture

Nothing makes me happier than seeing the Buckeyes cleaning house on the defensive side. This season was mostly an abomination on defense. Change might be good - we'll see.

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mmit's picture

Very interesting hire.  Smells like Urban input to me.  Schiano's inglorious exit (coupled with Grinch leaving town quicker than a carnival worker) says Schiano was a problem.  His "bend AND break" defense might have been an issue....

O-H

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

Have we awakened an angry Harbaugh? Patriidge to lb coach and Bush senior to Safety coach, with Jerry Montgomery from the Packers as def Coordinator. You heard it here. Going young and to the spread.

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