2019 Class Could Be As Great As the 2018 Class (Part XXXIII - A New Day A New Staff)

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Quality's picture

Adding staff to the title is really going to trigger someone.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Oh I'm well aware but hopefully it creates less alleged confusion and creates more awareness before clicking 

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Sanantonefan's picture

Staff?!?!?!?!?! Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

HAHA--JK. Get a grip folks--it will be okay.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

This part and possibly the next part will have discussions about recruiting updates as well as new staff hire updates bc they directly correlate.

If you do not like that please start your own thread, thanks. 

With that said Gleitman's rumor has Greg Mattison possibly joining staff. However Givler also said he had a wild name pop up so hopefully it's someone different. Probably gonna be a wild week though. 

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

Mattison is about as wild a name as I expected to hear unless Jim Tomsula popped up as a candidate. As for the coaching stuff, it is relevant and the only reason its being discussed right now is because there is a dead period and recruiting is at a bit of a standstill until that opens and the coaching carousel spins itself around. I expect that by the end of the next 7-10 days the focus will be back on the recruiting of the actual players and not the coaches. But right now it is the coaches who are being recruited as much as the players are. If we didn't talk about that, there wouldn't be whole lot else to discuss.

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mmp15f's picture

Any word as to what position they would make Greg Mattison if that's true? The only position for Mattison that I think makes any sense at all at this point in his career is possibly Defensive Quality Control

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Thats part of it that doesn't make sense. I've heard he didn't want to leave AA and Urban tried getting him when he was first hired but didn't. So not sure why he would come now esp with retirement rumors abound. 

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mmp15f's picture

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me because he was on Urban's staff at UF for a few years. I don't blame Urban for trying to get him when he first got hired at OSU, but he's really up there in age now. I hope they aren't looking at him as a possible Bill Davis replacement. It makes more sense to get a younger coach (e.g., Washington or Freeman) that can bring the right energy to practice, games, and recruiting. We already have the right veteran coaches on each side of the ball with Kevin Wilson and Larry Johnson

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Port Richey Buckeye's picture

To be the mole and enable Capt. Crazy Hairball to get a W finally against Thee Ohio State University.

Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.

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rockyincbus's picture

I am glad you did this with this thread! It all ties in together and this thread has been the best for real-time as-it-happens Buckeye drama.  This coaching search has the same feel as early signing week - only with less certainty, even crazier rumors and even more on the line if you ask me.  Having this staff complete cannot happen soon enough - and you can bet there are a lot of recruits out there thinking the same thing.

You've got barbecue back there?

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BuckeyeCrusdader's picture

There's already a staff thread.. rumours don't affect recruiting.. only actual hires do.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

But this is the recruiting + staff rumors + staff hires thread. 

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

People are welcome to go there. I checked it out as well. We have been discussing this stuff here for weeks in this thread and that thread was started a day and half ago. I tend to visit the recruiting threads a lot and if we are talking about coaching candidates in conjunction with how they affect recruiting (we are), then it makes sense to discuss that here too.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Rumors are one of the most influential things in recruiting. It’s so prevalent and holds such great weight, that Larry Johnson has to call a bunch of recruits and basically hold a presser to say he ain’t going anywhere. Coaches use rumors all the time. 

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HoosierBuck's picture

Question:  I have read somewhere that Justin Fields was committed somewhere b4 he committed to Penn State. Is this true and to whom?  TIA!

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

As far as I know he wasn't or was maybe close to committing to Tennessee. But not entirely sure bc I like most of our fans were following the Emory saga bc all signs pointed toward him being the #1 attainable target. I could be wrong but I don't remember Fields even being in the conversation as a guy we could or would sign. 

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HoosierBuck's picture

Sure hope young Mr. Nestor sticks to his commit with the Bucks!  Heaven knows we surely need him!

GO BUCKS!

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Need to get Nester. Jones and Devonshire in the fold here at the end. Adding those three plus maybe 1 or 2 more last minute guys would help this class tremendously. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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tampatom's picture

Michigan web sites say Mattison wants to retire but Harbaugh wants him to return for one year especially if Don Brown leaves, so not sure why we would try and get him here, just seems like a bunch of shit thrown against the wall as no one knows what's going to happen

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

With the Temple job filled, where's Brown gonna go?  

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I thought I read they hired someone after the Diaz fiasco, though now it seems I may have been drinking when I thought I heard that.  Maybe he could end up there after all.

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bd2999's picture

Nobody officially. Reports are that Rod Carey of Northern Illinois is who they want at the moment.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Manny Diaz left for Miami.

Fields of Dreams

 

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saintstephen11's picture

Thought this was interesting

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Triv's picture

Not sure what rankings they used that had Pryor as a 5 star. He was composite around the 70th best player in the country.

Regardless, still an insane amount of talent.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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TobyMagic's picture

Day's first HC job is at a premier program at an all time high, w a loaded roster and surround by an A+ support staff.. talk about served up on a silver platter, gonna be fun to watch it unfold.

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OSUBucks1024's picture

I didn't know the following were 5 stars:

K. Babb

J. Myers

I. Pryor

I thought the following were 5 stars:

J. Cooper

J. Hilliard

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huffdaddy's picture

Now, can we please put our 5 stars on the field as much as possible? That's really my main critique of UFM: he didn't catch up to Saban and Dabo (And Riley now, too) in playing elite athletes early and often. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Stellar's picture

Just because you were a high school 5 star doesn't mean you're the best man for the job in college. Recruitng stars don't mean anything once you're actually ok the team. You have to earn your spot.

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Dublin68's picture

Thank you Spooner for the new Thread, hopefully will see some Coaches announcement by the end of this week

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rockyincbus's picture

Can't happen soon enough!

You've got barbecue back there?

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OSUlewis's picture

From Mgo and one of their insider posters (umbig11). FWIW

Washington and Warinner are getting a pay raise. Washington to OSU was more than a rumor. Don Brown is very high on Temple’s list and he is getting attention from others. Should expect closure soon.

I have nothing new on Pep, and Matty would retire before he ever went to OSU. 

 According to him, it does not look like we will be getting Washington (bad) or Mattison (good). 

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Damn. Really want Washington. If this guy is right he might've just entertained OSU as leverage for a raise. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

That entire coaching staff has to be on the hot seat up there, not sure angling for a raise is the smartest long term decision.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

not sure angling for a raise is the smartest long term 

if your name is Pep Hamilton. The defensive side of the ball, especially Washington who is one of their top recruiters is absolutely able to angle for a raise. Especially when the head coach up there is 2-6 (right?) against his rivals and making more than $7,000,000 a year. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

No doubt he is underpaid given what they give some of those muppets up there, he'd be smarter to abandon that sinking ship though.  I'm sure he'd get a raise in Columbus too, and he'd get to coach with people who are actually good at their jobs.  Win-win.

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NHBuckeye's picture

It will be interesting to see how the Washington thing shakes out.  Bill Greene said on the BM5 this morning that it wouldn't surprise him if Washington-to-OSU was already done and they are just giving Davis some time to find another job on his own.  

And it wasn't just a rumor at the Mgo poster indicates.  I have read that he has an OSU job offer in hand.   

Fields of Dreams

 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

This is what Kyle Lamb has hinted to also. The deal is done behind the scenes and they are waiting to get Bill Davis cleared out. i tend to believe those two over some M go Blow poster. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

they are waiting to get Bill Davis cleared out. 

Does he need some help moving?  I have some PTO I need to burn this month.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Warinner are getting a pay raise

Hopefully some added responsibility comes with that hahaha.  Meyer completely foisted Ed.

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NHBuckeye's picture

I had read somewhere where Harbaugh wanted to get Wariner more involved with the offense.  I couldn't believe my eyes.  

I pray that this happens.

Fields of Dreams

 

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huffdaddy's picture

Please let this be true. I have another brilliant idea for a passing coordinator for them. Comes from a blue blood team that just won its bowl game. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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KlayDog's picture

Man, not getting Washington would suck. Although it was a pipe dream but still. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

TBH....anyone is better than Bill Davis as the linebacker coach. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Spartan13's picture

BG on BM5 said Al Washington is #1 target for LB but doesn't know what he will do. If we don't get him House and Freeman would be the next targets. Said Raymond is also being targeted but he is from LSU and Baton Rouge basically, would be a very tough pull. Said we are offering the mythical "cocoordinator" job to somebody just like we did to Grinch but can't give it to Raymond and Washington. Said he thinks Schiano and Taver will be back and didn't mention Busch. His sources haven't said anything about Mattison and it doesn't make any sense to him.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Yeah, the Mattison thing definitely doesn't make sense. Why would they hire another DL coach when they have the best in the country?

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I would do what it takes to get Freeman or Washington. That means there are going to be 2 positions on defense open...with Washington and House the top 2 choices. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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napbuck's picture

Question is how long do we give these guys to decide, I absolutely think staff needs to be complete by Thursday as the dead period ends Friday. I would prefer Wednesday but Thursday at the absolute latest.

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huffdaddy's picture

I'm sure Day is taking a longer view than the close of the 2019 recruitment season. He needs to build a reputation as a good person to work for, which includes letting current assistants exit gracefully. IMO that is more important (his reputation as a boss) than signing an extra kid or two at the Feb deadline. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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OSUlewis's picture

Great point! I had not thought about that perspective.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I do think it is safe to say that Schiano will most likely back. As much as I want to see the defense burned down, replacing everyone but LJ would be very tough on a first year coach. Schiano does recruit very well and is passionate. We are going to see if he was handcuffed this year because of substandard coaches at LB and at safeties. 

Plus the defense in the back 7 last year was very young. Having Okudah and Wade at corners and your safeties settled during spring ball is a huge benefit. Need to address the Borland problem. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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huffdaddy's picture

I think a hungry Schiano, who understands this is probably his last, best shot at either getting an NFL coordinator or Power 5 head job, is worth rolling the dice on for 2019. This gives Day a full year to figure out who is an elite defensive coordinator who can replace Schiano in a year. I would not settle for a second tier DC this year and be stuck with him for a couple of years. 

But Day should step in if Schiano tries to put lesser personnel on the field. If Borland and Weber roll out in front of our 5 stars, Day needs to override. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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CardaleFTW's picture

Welp... I got some news for you.

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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LB U's picture

People need to calm the hell down and stop having knee jerk reactions to every new rumor that comes out every 20 minutes.. Let Day do his job.

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Belliott's picture

Is Day reading this and freaking out? Because I fail to see how people aren’t letting him do his job by talking about it. 

You know what’s more annoying than coaching rumors in the recruiting threads, all the people complaining about coaching rumors in the recruiting threads. 

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LB U's picture

I'm not complaining about coaching rumors in the recruiting threads.. I'm simply pointing out that this thread has quickly turned into an Mgoblog meltdown with all the complaints im reading. I think people need to take a deep breath and be patient, that's all I'm suggesting here.

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UrbzRenewal's picture

Speculation and rumors are highly entertaining.  

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Sanitarian2's picture

It's all some of us have

Sani

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Buckeye314's picture

Mattison to OSU is a done deal. Harbaugh has called signees to tell them. 

Ohio State > *ichigan
Urban > Hairbaugh

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OSUlewis's picture

https://wolverineswire.com/2019/01/07/michigan-to-unexpectedly-lose-top-assistant-to-ohio-state/ 

After speaking with two people close to the situation, speaking on the condition of anonymity, we’re told that Mattison is expected to accept a position at Ohio State, coaching in an unspecified role. Current defensive line coach Larry Johnson is still remaining on staff in his current position, we’re told. Mattison informed the current players as well as the signees on Monday of his intentions.

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keith7456's picture

If in fact true and sounding like it is mark this down as terrible move #1 made by Day. Mattison is in fact really bad.

Unless Schiano is taking a different job he is MILES AND MILES better than Mattison in every way.

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Buckeye314's picture

My source is a good one, wouldn’t you agree now?

Ohio State > *ichigan
Urban > Hairbaugh

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SGbuckeye's picture

Your source got any more of that info? 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Yeah, like on Washington.  I really want that guy to come to Ohio State.

Fields of Dreams

 

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Buckeye314's picture

Much like has been reported. Ball is in Washington’s court. He is still talking to TTUN recruits/signees. No decision has been made. 

Ohio State > *ichigan
Urban > Hairbaugh

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Hanawi_'s picture

Not sure why this is grayed out. All indications from OSU and Michigan insiders are that it's done.

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Buckeye314's picture

Crazy isn’t it. 

Ohio State > *ichigan
Urban > Hairbaugh

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huffdaddy's picture

You are in the gray and yet you are fully correct. That is the perfect embodiment of this site sometimes.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Buckeye314's picture

I’m not happy that I was right. I down vote the hire but my info was spot on. I didn’t even get a wait and see. Full blown down votes. Think some peeps owe me a few UV!

Ohio State > *ichigan
Urban > Hairbaugh

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Buckeye Tyger's picture

According to the flight tracker thing, the OSU plane that went to Baton Rouge is coming back today. But the question is, if Ryan Day was at the basketball game on Saturday then who was on the plane in the first place? 

"Because we couldn't go for three." -Woody Hayes

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UrbzRenewal's picture

Or whomever went didn't take the same plane back.

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216ToThe614's picture

Was he at the basketball game? I don't remember seeing him there, I only saw Urban.

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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Hodgepodge's picture

It could be that the original plane brought back an LSU coach from an interview in Columbus, and this flight is bringing that coach back up to OSU now that he has accepted a job.

There is also the possibility that neither flight had anything to do with football, and all the rumors about Day being interested in LSU coaches were spawned purely by the original report of the OSU-to-Baton Rouge flight.  There could be any of a number of other possibilities that have nothing to do with OSU football.

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NHBuckeye's picture

I'm stunned.   We had better be getting Corey Raymond in here to be the DC-in-waiting.  I can't see Mattison doing this for more than a year or two.  

Wow...

Fields of Dreams

 

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CardaleFTW's picture

I think the much more likely candidate at 'DC in waiting' is Matt House from UK.

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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GoBucksBazley's picture

Givler just posted on Twitter that Schiano will not be back as Defensive Coordinator and Greg Mattison is in fact being targeted. Birm retweeted an article saying what Buckeye314 previously commented. Mattison is accepting a job with Ohio State, but does not specify what that role is. Also states that he informed the current players and called the signees.

Because I couldn't go for three

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saintstephen11's picture

Day whiffs on one. It happens. Why downgrade at DC?  

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Curious what their respective resumes say that indicates this is a downgrade.  I'd argue Mattison has had a lot more success as a DC than Schiano.

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BuckeyeCrusdader's picture

Man I aint want f**king Mattison, f**kin f that noise. So much momentum and someone just pulled  the f**king brake and drove a damn semi onto the tracks in front of the train. Sh*ts weak.

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saintstephen11's picture

The guy was going to retire. I assume the energy and spark was gone. Should be great coaching and recruiting with nothing left in the tank.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Well he got pushed down the ladder when Don Brown arrived.  Maybe he thinks he has a lot to prove.  

Mattison had better be bringing Washington with him.   It will be interesting to see what TTUN does if Brown retires as rumored.

Fields of Dreams

 

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Per BG he believes Taver is out as well. Also posted his best guesses:

Schiano replaced by Mattison.

Davis replaced by Washington/Freeman/House

Taver replaced by Corey Raymond? 

Grinch replaced by Bill Busch or whoever

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Thats a hell of a D staff if its true.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Yep and then Washington/House/Raymond can be Co-DC's taking over for Mattison when he retires. 

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InTressITrust's picture

Not crazy about bringing Mattison on board due to his age but if this is the plan I can fully get behind it.  A young and lively staff learning from a great one for a year or two is not a bad thing here.  If this is what happens I think this is a home run hire.

"I'm not going to lie. We're anxious to be a part of a matchup like that. It's two states that love the game of football." -Jim Tressel

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

What is Mattisons track record as DC? 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Well he was the UF DC in 2006, that D gave me PTSD for a while.

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buckslan's picture

Fans on mgoblog seem to think losing Mattison is a huge deal. Not sure if it's because he's a good coach or he's going to a rival. But I'm still super iffy on the idea of him being our first DC under Day. Just think thats an awful move.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

If it's truly as a DC then I'll make peace with it bc he has coordinated damn good defenses in the past so those are facts. Now I don't recall what happened to get 'demoted' at scUM when Harbaugh arrived but he kept him on staff regardless. Wasn't Durkin Jimmy's first DC when he came back then hired Brown when Durkin took the UMD job? Maybe someone can help me out. 

If we are hiring Mattison as a position coach it does not make sense at all. Still not what I think everyone was hoping for but I have no reason not to trust Day. 

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Hanawi_'s picture

Mattison was DC under Hoke. Harbaugh passed him up and hired Durkin. Rumored that Mattison stayed to coach DL bc he wanted to stay close to his grandkids. Harbaugh then passed him up again and hired Don Brown.

It's a pretty underwhelming hire to me, though he does have a better track record than Schiano as DC. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Their D was better under Hoke, Harbaugh's been blown out 3 of the 4 years he's been there in the Game.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Thank you for the knowledge Hanawi :) and I do agree his track record better than Greg's overall as a DC

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VaBuck1's picture

Remember Urban Meyer thought very highly of Mattison.  Let’s let all this play out ...

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Sanantonefan's picture

Let’s let all this play out ...

NOOOO! We must yell and scream and slash with our swords!!!!!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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killernut4's picture

Why is everyone assuming Mattison will be DC?  Just cause Schiano is gone now?  There are many roles he could play.

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buckslan's picture

What position would he coach? DL is coached by LJ, if Washington comes here, he would coach LBs. Mattison isn't going to coach the secondary. He's obviously the new DC.

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bd2999's picture

Not 100% known, but they are not replacing LJ. And the guy has had solid defenses without the talent OSU has had. Not saying it is the sexiest pick but it may not be a bad one either.

That said, how long he will be doing it could be a question. Maybe a year or two depending on how things go?

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Wonder if they are trying to bring Mattison and Washington and having Mattison mentor him for a couple years before handing the keys over. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

If we take Washington too Ann Arbor will be in flames.

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armyvet83's picture

For one, is this hire really a down grade? My thoughts is simply this: This was the worst Ohio State defense in recent memory. Wholesale changes is warranted in my honest opinion. The Mattison hire is short term while bringing in a young fire pisser to replace him after a year or two. After watching this defense last year, I welcome the change.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Well said and kinda where I'm at too

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Tbone107's picture

I honestly like the move, I think it is easier to pull in the position coaches with an older DC bc they know the job will open up sooner than later for them to potentially step in. Whereas if it is a young dc I could see that scaring away good young position coaches potentially. 

Hopefully i.e. future dc in waiting Corey Raymond. 

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BigWillRIP's picture

Why do people think Raymond is "DC in waiting" material?  He's only coached DBs and the reason he's even considering us is because he's been passed over twice at LSU and is underpaid.  I'd love to get the guy by paying him twice what he's currently making, but I don't understand where the DC talk is coming from.

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Tbone107's picture

Day said his number one objective is to bring guys in who can recruit, if you look at his 247 profile I’d say he fits that bill and especially in the location that he has been in and could be assigned. Maybe he isn’t great with X’s and O’s But between his recruiting and the play of LSU’s secondary since he’s arrived he’d be a guy that I would possibly take a chance on. But I’m comforted knowing Day has a better pulse on the situation than most. 

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BigWillRIP's picture

Oh, I think Raymond would be a fantastic CB/DB hire.  I'm trying to figure out why people think he's a "DC in waiting".  I'm not aware that he's been a DC or Co-DC at any level.  Maybe I'm wrong.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Just speculating, but it might take that level of a promotion to get him to leave his alma mater. 

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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BigWillRIP's picture

You may be right.  But Raymond has also been passed up twice at LSU for the DC role and he's making about $350.  For someone that has been disrespected, doubling their the salary would be pretty persuasive.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Defense cannot be any worse than it was. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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bucks_4_life's picture

For some reason Oklahoma just handed me their beer...

The juice is worth the squeeze

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440Buck's picture

Anybody know where Mattison’s recruiting ties are too or where his territory was for scUM? Any big recruits that we know that he was responsible? On 247 it says he was in on Gary, Peppers, Tebow but I don’t know how reliable that is. 

Go Bucks!

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urbansjacket2's picture

He's a very good recruiter, but is really getting long in the tooth (as we all know). He has taken a step back and isn't quite as involved as he used to be. Certainly not inept like Stud or Grinch were though. Recall old-er man Kerry Coombs was an elite recruiter. He's a stop gap hire anyway, i think 2 years and retirement for him. 

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216ToThe614's picture

Coombs is not as old as he appears. I believe he is currently 57 or so, which is about the same age as Kevin Wilson and only a couple years older than Urban.

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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Dmac3212's picture

I read somewhere he was rated as a top 5 recruiter in the country in 2015. 

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Lon_Paul's picture

His all-time recruits list is pretty impressive if he is actually responsible for the players on the list:

https://247sports.com/Coach/Greg-Mattison-1354/AllTimeRecruits/

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Don't know why people are hating on this hire so bad. Sure it isn't the young new comer that everyone wanted but Mattison has coached some damn good defenses. 

I'm sure Day has a plan. Maybe he doesn't think Washington is ready yet and is trying to bring him with Mattison to get mentored for the job. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Mattison defecting to the good guys shows that Harbaugh is wearing really thin up there.  People said when he was hired that he was someone who got on your nerves after a few years, looks like they were right.

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Hanawi_'s picture

Maybe. Maybe not. Lots of rumors from the Michigan boards that his contract wasn't going to be renewed. Many are happy to see him go.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Well Mattison defecting, the mass of transfers and everyone sitting out the Bowl Game seems to indicate trouble in Ann Arbor.  I'm sure them being happy to see him go and saying he was out anyway has nothing to do with him going to OSU though.

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FieldingMellish's picture

There have been multiple Michigan insiders who have said that narrative is false.  Just them trying to make it seem like their rival stealing a coach isn't a big deal.

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raiderred's picture

One of the Michigan insiders named Sullivan said he was let go by harbaugh and brown. That they weren’t going to renew his contract. Not sure how I feel about it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeSullivan/status/1082340382942343168

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

How is moving from LB to DL coach a promotion?

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BigWillRIP's picture

LB coach to DL coach is a promotion?

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bd2999's picture

Maybe that is a promotion at Michigan, but that is a strange progression really. Maybe that is how it is done but I always assumed the varying assistants were equal with one another other than experience.

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OSUlewis's picture

Posted this in the Greg Mattison thread but here is my take.

I think Day wanted to keep Schiano but he wanted out. The Mattison hire seems like a short-term fix for stability and expertise. I still think Day wants to bring in a younger coach as a Co-DC to grasp the DC responsibilities before being promoted for the 2020 season. I think the staff will fully inform recruits of the situation and depending on future hires, all positional coaches will be retained so there will be no difference to 2020 recruits. 

At least that is my optimistic take on this move. 

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CardaleFTW's picture

Besides Wypler, I think he's a goner.

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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OSUlewis's picture

Very true. When I typed that I was thinking more of uncommitted recruits. 

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rampageripster's picture

Our new Co-DC went to the same HS as Wypler... he's our East Coast guy (coached at Rutgers and Pitt)

Cause I couldn't go for three

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aboynamedtracy's picture

At least 10 mofos owe 314 a big round of upvotes since he was the first to call it and got destroyed for some reason.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Sad part about this website is you can't upvote a comment once it's been downvoted into the gray. I wish I could upvote him. Not sure why everyone jumped all over him. 

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osu992's picture

he's not dead. Keep him in mind when he shows back up.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Bill Davis is out also per Bucknuts. Now cut Taver loose

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I think Taver's fate hangs on the decision of Corey Raymond.

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urbansjacket2's picture

BG said he's not OUT (meaning confirmed) but he personally believes he's gone 100%. So sounds like you may get your wish. 

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OSUlewis's picture

If Mattison is hired as the DC, Day better have been given the green light from LJ. 

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bd2999's picture

I imagine that he would be ok with it. I am not sure LJ has aspirations for that job. At least not that I have heard. Seems he likes creating monsters on the DL.

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Attack51's picture

Was my first thought too, I'm guessing LJ is very happy with where he is at his stage in his career especially with the talent the OSU DL has had. Hopefully he gets a little pay bump too to show some love for all he's done

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huffdaddy's picture

A lot of folks seem really certain that Mattison is a bad hire. A lot of these same people thought Schiano/Grinch was a home run. And our defense was butt last year. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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urbansjacket2's picture

Guys, it's as simple as this--the grade on the Mattison hire hinges entirely on who else Day brings in to supplement him as his heir apparent. And by the things we've seen, sounds very promising. Just wait. 

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bd2999's picture

That is true, if he can pull in a few of the names being thrown around, it would be a good group of coaches working with some very talented players.

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raiderred's picture

Agreed. If mattison is just allowed to work scheme, then I think this is a good hire. Need young hungry coaches around him to recruit though. That’s how ultimately I will feel on this hire. If Day gets young coaches to surround him then I am happy

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brothadudeguy's picture

Can someone please defend the Mattison hire if he does in fact take over as DC? The only thing on my mind at the moment is he is 70 years old and was the DC for TTUN for 2011 to 2014 when they were complete trash. Someone please explain why this is happening.

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Crowd Threatening Bauserbombs's picture

I’m not thrilled but we don’t know the details yet. Why hire a grinch-type guy you don’t know when you can hire an experienced coordinator for a year or two and see what the young guys have? If he pulled the Washington-Raymond coup at least we aren’t bringing a guy with zero game calling experience in and relying heavily on them.  Hokes offense sucked not D.  We had 10x the talent they did then.

Also, if nothing else, LOL Michigan. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Remember all the talk of how much Grinch improved WSU's D rankings as a reason to keep him over Schiano?  Well in 2010 Michigan's D finished ranked #107, Mattison boosted that to #6 in 2011.  His resume as a DC is pretty impressive.

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BigWillRIP's picture

Here's my optimistic view.  Mattison is a good recruiter and has been a good DC in the past.  Day would prefer a DC who is established and not looking for a HC position every year, as having to constantly replace your DC is a pain in the ass.  

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Hodgepodge's picture

It is possible that Mattison is not being hired for the defensive coordinator job, or even to coach.  He could be replacing Tim Hinton, whose job title is "Executive Director for Football Relations / Special Assistant to the Head Coach."  Hinton and Coach Meyer have been friends since they were both grad assistants at OSU, and I could definitely see Day wanting someone else in that role.

Mattison would be perfect for that job.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Kyle Lamb cryptically tweeting he believes the package deal of Mattison and Washington is done deal

https://mobile.twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1082350034077786112

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LB U's picture

He absolutely believes Washington is coming with him.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Mattison can coach...helped design the Ravens D they still use today...He has been a good recruiter for UM...age is my only concern

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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keith7456's picture

If he brings Washington with him the deal is saved.

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BigWillRIP's picture

If Mattison wants to coach another handful of years, I kinda like this hire for Day.  Gives Day someone established running the D who isn't looking for another job every year.

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CardaleFTW's picture

I think my main concern is the fact that he's going to be 70 years old, he doesn't have a lot left in the tank recruiting-wise, and he hasn't been a DC since 2014. I may be wrong, but those 3 things combined are enough that I would call this an unsuccessful hire. Just my opinion though so please respect it :)

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

I agree on the recruiting part but that's why you need to hire a strong staff under him. LJ will take care of the DL recruiting. If they OSU can pull off Washington, he will take care of the LB recruiting. Whoever they get for DB's will handle the DB recruiting. Just a theory. I'm not going to attempt to act like I know how recruiting works. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

If we had any of these numbers this year we are playing tonight:

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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huffdaddy's picture

Pete Thamel report: 

Source: Jeff Hafley will be the co-defensive coordinator at Ohio State. He was the DBs coach in San Francisco.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Uhhhh, he was the Browns DB Coach under Mike Pettine.  I assume he'd coach Safeties here? 

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BGSUBuckeye08's picture

Per Pete Thamel Ohio State will hire Jeff Hafley as co-DC. Hafley was the DBs coach for the 49ers

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Dublin68's picture

Jeff Hafley will be the co-Def coordinater at OSU per Thamel

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Hey guys, not sure if you heard (or possibly read above) but Jeff Hafley will be the co-DC 

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Mastro16's picture

Did you, by any chance, hear that Carlos Hyde has been traded to Jacksonville?

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WoullyBear's picture

Why does this Hafley guy seem Bill Davis-esque? Very little CFB experience, can he recruit?

If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?

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Sanantonefan's picture

Not sure of his recruiting chops, but he coached at the college level from 2001 to 2010. Seems to have been a cornerbacks coach most of his career. Coached the Browns CBs when three DBs went to the pro bowl. He seems to be an excellent coach.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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rampageripster's picture

He spent a decade in the college world including stops at Pitt and Rutgers.  Rutgers fans RAVE at his recruiting.  This is not a Davis hire.

Cause I couldn't go for three

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KlayDog's picture

To be teased Corey Raymond and Al Washington and get Mattison and Hafley. What a gut punch. 

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

All things considered. those 2 could still be in play. We still can hire them as LB and DB coaches. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

What a gut punch. 

Yeah Ryan Day owes you an apology for not meeting your expecations. He should be fired!!!!1!!

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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osu992's picture

Same.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Attack51's picture

I know a lot of us have thought that with Schiano is gone that we may lose Wypler.....interesting nugget on Hafley is that he went to the same high school as Wypler. Also coached at Rutgers, so I'd think it's safe to say he'll take over that territory from Schiano

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NHBuckeye's picture

I'm not convinced we will lose Wypler.  I am sure he's known that Schiano is not long for OSU as he almost left last season.  He has made it known that he'd like to be a head coach again.

Fields of Dreams

 

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TroyBuckeyeFan22's picture

He's definitely a big East Coast guy, from New Jersey, went to college in New York, coached at Rutgers, Pitt.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Ok wow for all those worried about Hafley I remember his time with my Browns. Here's a quick rundown of his experience:

- 49ers: turned SF pass defense from 27th prior to his arrival to 14th 
- Browns: During time with Browns we led the league in opponent passer rating, opponent completion %, passes defensed, 2nd in INT's, and 9th in scoring defense 
- Buccaneers: finished 3rd in NFL in INT's and takeaways
- Rutgers: 9th in the country in pass defense, got Logan Ryan and Duron Harmon drafted by Patriots in 3rd round
- Pittsburgh: coached and mentored Darrelle Revis, ranked 19th in country in pass yards allowed

He does have experience recruiting obviously but I remember he was legit while here in Cleveland with the Browns 

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huffdaddy's picture

You saying this is more relevant than hot takes from people who just wikipedia'd him?

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Well I do like the fact that the Wikipedia thingy works well with the Google machine 

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Perfect sleeper24's picture

I’d assume it goes LJ-dline, lbs is up in he air still (maybe Washington), corners is up in the air, Hafley-safeties, Mattison over sees whole defense like schiano did this year

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Attack51's picture

LJ still the DL coach but being elevated in title to Associate HC, well done Day and well deserved LJ

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

From the Rutgers posters I've seen so far Hafley was instrumental in helping them land top 25-30 classes and was regarded as their best recruiter. Of course it's from other fans so TIFWIW as I'm sure there may be a segment that's the opposite. But he's young at 39 years old and helped develop Logan Ryan and Darelle Revis at the college level. 

IMO this hire is to replace Grinch. There's still 2 more hires that need to be announced. Pray for the 11w servers if it's both Raymond and Washington. 

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216ToThe614's picture

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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SFlaBuckeye13's picture

The world is yours

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'57Champs's picture

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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LB U's picture
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OSUlewis's picture

Unfortunately. 

This could be a Taver replacement and Busch could still be in the works for Grinch. 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Bummer.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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CardaleFTW's picture

I'm going to miss Schiano as a recruiter. Most people on this site didn't even know NPF until post-ENSD... and Schiano single handily got him in only 6 weeks.

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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raiderred's picture

Agreed. Schiano got a lot of undeserved flack. Hard to be defensive coordinator when most of your defensive coaches are inept.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Hafley is a massive improvement over what they had at DB coaching. He will be fine on the trail...just like Hartline turned out to be. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Spartan13's picture

Does no Raymond mean Taver stays? 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Taver is out. They press release mentioned only Larry Johnson as a returning coach to the defensive staff. Two spots open. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Triv's picture

OSU's official press release said "Hafley and Mattison join Larry Johnson on the defensive staff"

No mention of Davis or Johnson leads me to believe they're gone

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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SFlaBuckeye13's picture

Gletiman has heard some not so great things about Bush as a recruiter from high school coaches

The world is yours

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

I don't think Busch is coming since we hired Hafley who has a lot of experience coaching safeties as well as corners. 

With Taver and Davis confirmed out there's going to be a new CB and LB coach still to be announced. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Need to secure Washington. It would cripple Michigan

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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STU10's picture

THESE TWO HIRES SUCK!!! LET'S SEE HERE, Mattison? -- WAS THE GUY FROM "TALES FROM THE CRYPT" NOT AVAILABLE??

HAFELY? -SERIOUSLY? - SOMEONE CHECK IF HE WAS DAY'S "BEST MAN" -- PITT AND RUTGERS AND THE WORST TEAM IN THE NFL THE LAST TWO YEARS ON HIS RESUME' -- WOOOHOO!!!!

I THOUGHT DAY WOULD BE DIFFERENT -- BUT SAME OLD BOYS NETWORK B.S.!! AS WITH MEYER --VERY VERY VERY DISAPPOINTING HIRES --- 

THIS IS THE 'BEGINNING OF THE END' FOR DAY AT OSU -- ALL THE DYNAMIC YOUNG GREAT RECRUITERS WITH DIVERSITY AVAILABLE AND WE GET THESE TWO CLOWNS!!??

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

THESE TWO HIRES SUCK!!! LET'S SEE HERE, Mattison? -- WAS THE GUY FROM "TALES FROM THE CRYPT" NOT AVAILABLE??

He's 2 years older than Larry Johnson Sr....................

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jedkat's picture

"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone

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NorthCoastBias's picture

Can always count on good ol' STU for some quality shit-posting. Hasn't changed since his days on the Scout board. Won't be long before he's banned.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Your fake outrage made me laugh

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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huffdaddy's picture

What scares me is that I think it's real?

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

ITT AND RUTGERS AND THE WORST TEAM IN THE NFL THE LAST TWO YEARS ON HIS RESUME

Such a bad take. You do realize Day came from San Francisco too, right? 

Also, can you imagine someone at Utah who said, "Are you serious? Who the F is this Urban Meyer guy? Bowling Green, really? The worst team in the MAC on his resume" 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Turn your fucking caps off

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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NHBuckeye's picture

Turn your fucking caps computer off

FTFY

Fields of Dreams

 

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Sanantonefan's picture

The beginning of the end???? Step back from the ledge dude.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Hodgepodge's picture

I find it interesting that the OSU press release calls Hafley the "secondary coach."  I suppose that could be purposely vague (i.e., whether he coaches corners or safeties may depend on who else agrees to be coach), or he could be the coach for the entire secondary, or he could be essentially the coordinator of the DBs, with the other coach in the secondary serving under him.  I'd be stunned if he was the only secondary coach, but that is the way they do it in the NFL, and Day and Hafley are thus familiar with that.

Re: Mattison, I do like that he plays out of a basic formation (or two, if you count nickel) and keeps things simple.  His first goal is to stop the run and take away the opponent's best wide receiver, areas where the OSU defense struggled at times this past season.   If he won't be a position coach, any impact of negative recruiting about his age would be muted since recruits want to know that their position coach will remain the same---not the coordinator. 

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jedkat's picture

How dare you have a thought - out well reasoned take. And in this thread no less!

"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone

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STU10's picture

Looks like a pretty charismatic guy, lol...gonna be slayin' it on the trail!! Yesterday,Corey Raymond was here for LSU in our living room, today, well, uhhhh, well this dude comes straggling in from OSU,lol...

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Spartan13's picture

We have gotten two upgrades so far with Al Washington still as a possibility. Schiano refused to adapt his scheme. Minnesota literally ran and completed over a dozen slants because Schiano wouldn't have his LBs cut off the throws. Mattison will run a much simpler and improved scheme. Constant complaints about pass interference and our DBs not playing the ball or even glancing back have been addressed. 

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caebo's picture

I’d like to think that Mattison brings a ton of experience along with a proven record- something that’s needed with all the changes. And Chris Ash probably only has another season left at Rutgers. Let Mattison oversee the D this year and get things improved then bring back Ash after trying to do the impossible in NJ. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

There’s an endorsement I think we can all say is good to see.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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BGSUBuckeye08's picture

May its just my interpretation, but that doesn't seem particularly promising.

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STU10's picture

They are two dynamic diverse young great recruiters who today's elite players can relate to -- Day is not interested,lol... 

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STU10's picture

…he's checking if Heacock wants to return to Cbus....

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Can a mod put this a hole in timeout?

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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keith7456's picture

Wish I could upvote this more +++++ Was just about to ask this myself. 

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osu992's picture

Hey buddy...if you're not dreaming, you're not helping. The charge is ours! We must will it so!

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

I took it as a good thing but TBD. 

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

This was his response to someone saying they don't like his sarcasm on the "Dare to Dream" tweet 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Woodshed's picture

Does anyone have stu10’s twitter handle?

i need to get his VERY relevant take on this hire.

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

Dick! I spit out my water when reading this! Lol

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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Timbucktoo's picture

I can see the logic of hiring Mattison. Likely, he won’t be coaching much longer, but long enough to install a new defense and mentor Hafley for a couple years. I wish Schiano, Davis and possible T. Johnson well in their next roles.

Now, interested in Day’s decision on Studrawa. Imo, the offensive line’s performance has been underwhelming during his tenure. An Ohio State team that can’t consistently run the ball is unspeakable and blasphemous. And Haskins’ pocket presence and quick release made the pass blocking appear better than it performed.

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elitesmithie's picture

Our run blocking was worse this year but our pass blocking was much better. With that being said I imagine Day doesn't want to get rid of everyone in year 1 so we have some semblence of continuity. Also, as an offensive guy he has more control to fix things on the O line than he would on defense; hence the changes on that side of the ball.(All my opinion) 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Mattison and Johnson are old school coaches that know how to teach. Mattison's d lines were always good a UM. Add a young guy in the back end to work with the secondary and you have a good mix. 

Getting Al Washington would make this D staff very very strong. Then you have one extra spot to bring someone else in. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Can only help with Nester:

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Buckeye314's picture

Can I come back and collect some upvotes for getting drilled on my statement 

“Mattison to OSU is a done deal. Harbaugh is calling recruits to tell them”

pretty sure I was dead on.  

Ohio State > *ichigan
Urban > Hairbaugh

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NHBuckeye's picture

+1 from me even though I didn't downvote you.   Throw out another post and I'll give ya another one.  

Good on you for having that first.

Fields of Dreams

 

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Sanantonefan's picture

Didn't personally drill you, but +1 anyway!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

No way dude, it's your fault Mattison is on staff now. Jk - good info. 

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toad1204's picture

The offseason is the longest season.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I took it as Washington is on his way

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

So we get Washington AND I get to laugh at Danny McBride?

Talk about Win-Win

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keith7456's picture

I'll take a shot at it.

Washington riding on the back of the old dog(Mattison) to Columbus?!

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Washington. I love it. 

This Kyle Lamb dude is pretty funny. His subtweet game is strong. 

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216ToThe614's picture

I guess you may not remember, but Kyle wrote here at 11w for a time, years ago.

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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ChillicotheBuck's picture

Al Washington coming home......Go Bucks

C. Brian Massie

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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bd2999's picture

Not that it always works out but having guys with NFL experience is a nice quality for kids with high aspirations. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Per Brian Dohn, Hafley is one of the best recruiters he's ever come across. Dohn covers the east coast and is the best at coverin the region. 

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Board/120/Contents/A-few-though...

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

Apologies if someone mentioned this already and I missed it but wanted to note that Hafley landed five 4* recruits in a three year period at Pitt and Rutgers. All five players were New Jersey prospects. That seems like pretty good work for recruiting at those two schools. I'd guess Hafley could help further OSU's success in recruiting NJ.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

The fact that guys like Richard Sherman, Logan Ryan, and our own Tyvis Powell have come out and said he's an amazing coach and guy makes me feel even better about he hire. 

Realoze it may not be sexy but he'll neither was Herman and lots of people were questioning Urban about that hire.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Same can be said about Ryan Day.   If we can land Al  Washington I will be thrilled with the changes Day has made.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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Buckiowa's picture

Here's a video of Hafley talking about the 49ers Secondary:

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Very impressive. Going to crush it here. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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OSUlewis's picture

I'm loving the Hafley hire more each minute. 

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rockyincbus's picture

Love the Hafley hire.  Might turn into the Ryan Day of the defense.  The pass defense needs the same reworking that the pass offense needed when Coach Meyer found Ryan Day. 

Still, the Mattison thing is so strange.  Until we know whether Washington is coming we won't know whether Harbaugh or Day won this chess match.  IMO Washington is the bigger fish for what we need to do with our LBs and recruiting.

You've got barbecue back there?

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Wait, you mean to tell me Ryan Day knows what he’s doing? He knows more than the 11w mob that’s hates this hire? Crazy. 

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swflbuckeye1's picture

Do we have a backup plan if Washington stays blue? I would assume Marcus freeman would not be in play since he’s currently a DC. Can’t see him tsking a demotion. Although $ talks maybe we offer him 750k to coach LBs and he takes it. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

This is my question also...who is the back up for Washington

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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bd2999's picture

It has not been leaked, but one has to imagine that they have an idea of who to approach after, if it does not work out. 

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Kujo247's picture

If Washington doesn't come to Columbus, I'm sure we can find someone better than Davis at any local high school.

Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

I'll offer my services for $5 a game :)

Just let me on the sidelines.

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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CardaleFTW's picture

I'm not too mad about us likely not getting Raymond considering Hafley will likely spend most of his time with the DBs. Assuming Taver is gone, who are we looking at for our 10th assistant?

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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Hanawi_'s picture

Was wondering if Day was going to hire a full-time special teams coach and let Hafley handle all DBs. That would be more an NFL-style coaching staff.

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Octobersownlibra's picture

I still

Ryan day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time

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Octobersownlibra's picture

Still hoping for Corey Raymond even though it's wishful

Ryan day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time

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BumJuiceIsBitter's picture

Some insiders think he could be using us to leverage LSU for a pay raise

I tried bum juice once, it was bitterly disappointing.

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seltsaC's picture

I'm not thrilled about either of these hires personally. I don't hate them, but at this point I feel like the negatives outweigh the positives. I trust Day though, so we'll see. Also not encouraging that Halfley was Day's best man, can't help but get Billy Davis deja-vu vibes from that. Bottom line is, this is Ohio State. When coaches are coming up, they dream of landing a gig like this. Every assistant we hire should be a boom filled with great excitement. Especially when we are winning like we have been for decades now. Outside of guys already at Bama, Clemson, etc. we should be able to poach whoever the hell we want and get the absolute best option and I feel like we haven't been doing that lately.

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VaBuck1's picture

No one was on here singing magical praises for Tom Herman when he was hired.  Or Ryan Day for that matter.  Not many for Chris Ash either.  They didn't come from "Clemson or Alabama."  We trusted Urban Meyer because he was an established, successful coach, but he made mistakes as well (putting Warriner at OC, Beck, Withers, Davis, maybe Grinch).  Day has Urban Meyer and many others helping him. 

I personally love the pairing of Mattison and Hafley. 

You have NFL professional DB's (even one possible Hall of Famer) singing Hafley's praises but you don't like him because .... ????

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seltsaC's picture

Well, yeah, that's the problem. Sure some of them turn out to be great, but few already are when we hire them. Praise from former players doesn't mean anything to me, what do you expect them to say?

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VaBuck1's picture

If they don't think highly of someone then they don't say anything at all ........................

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LB U's picture

Uh, nothing.. No one forced Richard Sherman to say he was one of the best coaches he's ever worked with. That's something he chose to do. I didn't see too many former players talking up Bill Davis or Taver Johnson when Urban hired them.. Nevertheless an NFL Hall Of Famer like Richard Sherman. I kind of favor Sherman's opinion over yours, no hard feelings.

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seltsaC's picture

That's fair, and probably true. I came off a little more negative on the hires in my post than I really am. Those Sherman quotes are from press conferences so I still don't put much weight into it but I do trust the stuff on Twitter today from guys like Tyvis and Logan Ryan as they didn't have to say anything as you both pointed out. I guess the main point I was trying to get across is that it's a bit bewildering to me that we can't go out and poach a proven commodity instead of experimenting with guys who are unproven.

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bd2999's picture

I feel this is a step to far. Folks say good things when they feel it is warranted. Folks that say nothing may be fine with it or annoyed. People generally do not comment unless they have something really positive or negative to say. Just the way it is. 

I mean by some fan reactions here, hiring any assistant without a championship pedigree is a massive whiff of epic proportions. That is not fair or reality. 

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chris's picture

UV to counter the downvotes. I like the Co-DCs we got today. I see the logic of bringing in the Experience and the Young with a lot to prove. I feel like bringing in the hungry guys we haven't heard of (but who are well known by Ryan Day and well regarded by people more in the know in the industry) is a smart play. We'll see how it plays out.

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FootstepsFalco's picture

Clearly LJ Sr. is the cream of the crop when it comes to D-Line coaches.  Regardless of age, if Mattison is viewed even in the "Top 10" of NCAA D-Line coaches, it is nothing short of a luxury to have both on staff simultaneously.  AND, it will do nothing but help us recruit the likes of Bresee, D.Henry, Tre Williams, Sawyer, etc.

Oh wait, sorry I talked recruiting... /s

Obviously everyone's biggest concern is defensive scheme and fixing the problems we saw this year.  But honestly, I kind of feel that it can only get better considering the athletes we have.

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

I would agree with this post. Darrion Henry has already said he loves the move. 

I feel with better coaching and make no mistake Hafley and Washington are upgrades. Jury could still be out on Mattison just due to the fact he hasn't been a DC for a few years. But I expect our defense to improve quite a bit with these new hires. 

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Just read that Al Washington is officially a done deal. Would imagine there will be an announcement tomorrow. Well done Coach Day :)

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OH2MD's picture

Wow!  Thanks for everything Spooner!

East Coast living with Ohio roots

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

Ahhhhh!

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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osu992's picture

Jimmy H must be watching football tonight while Day is raiding. Chess>checkers

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

There has to be no worse of a feeling than losing two of your coaches to your most hated rival. BRB, gonna go pour me a glass of Wolverine tears.

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Wow. That’s huge! Zach Harrison has to be excited 

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216ToThe614's picture

Awesome! Where was this reported?

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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NHBuckeye's picture

Huge news!!!!  What a coup for Ohio State.   Wow.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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