Question on Justin Fields' Hardship Waiver

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Sightlygrain6's picture

I feel like the NCAA knows that the blowback for denying it when it is race based would too much. 

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bucknut1994's picture

The NCAA granted waivers to Ole Miss players because of supposed sanctions that they would receive because their old head coach called hookers on his work phone. So yeah, they probably will.

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NeemOSU's picture

Problem is that situation was directly out of their hands. The NCAA realizes you can't punish the students for an action they had nothing to do with. This situation involved fields, and there was no indication that it was a problem until late December when you weren't playing much?

This is the same organization that deemed a kid ineligible because he had a YouTube channel that was making a bit of money. Its not out of the realm of possibility that they deny this.

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bucknut1994's picture

While I get your argument but this is the same organization that granted immediate eligibility to Antonio Williams and Jack Wohlabaugh when they transferred to UNC and Duke.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Is a slur directed towards someone on a college campus a serious issue? Is a bad word enough to scare a big bad football player to the extent that he would feel unsafe on campus? Does anyone believe that there are no students at OSU that might utter a slur towards someone? That there are students on every campus in the country that might use a slur?

It's clearly an excuse to play early, he's leaving for playing time, let's not pretend otherwise. One can discuss rather or not players should have to sit out a transfer year in the first place, that's legitimate. 
 

Sani

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BBQ_Fan's picture

It would probably be argued that the person who made the slur was not a random student or even a random fan. It was made by another varsity athlete. The student in question was dismissed from his team, so it was considered a legitimate violation of team or athletic department code of conduct. In addition, I read that the student in question was NOT expelled from the University. This could create a climate of harassment or the potential for retaliation. At least that's how the argument would go. 

I'm not making a judgement on whether he does or should feel threatened. However, I would not like to be arguing on the other side of his case.

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mittenst8buck's picture

Sure...there are racist assholes everywhere no doubt. But I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this and think it is not a reason for him to get a waiver. You don't know his life story...who knows if he has heard this stuff before and just wants a change of pace and go to a place he feels is more culturally fit for him...because he surely isn't heading north for the weather. You don't know how he feels and just because he is a "big bad football player" doesnt mean he should have to put up with that. Attitudes like that allow this kind of stuff to continue on. Of course he is using it as a way to try and not have to sit out a year...because otherwise he would just sit out the year...isn't that the whole point of filing a case? I don't see an issue with it myself because it's his life and he went thru it and if someone wants to be a racist asshole to him I think the least he should be able to do is let it help him out a bit.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Thank you. Jesus, the "everybody says it" theory to dismissing Fields being callled a n***** in a very public place as an everyday occurrence and something he should just "get over" is disgusting. Suggesting every fucking school has people who say does not help the argument, either; it's clearly wrong! 

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Sanitarian2's picture

So you actually believe that every fucking school in the country does not have someone that would utter such a slur? Seriously? And yeah, one has to "Get Over It" when it's a single incident or else they destroy their OWN life. Sure, if it's a "culture" of racism at the school then that's a fair argument but we've not heard of such and it apparently isn't bad enough to force the other 84 players to transfer. 

I will assume that you were born into the current college aged generation and give your generation credit for DRAGGING this country forward in terms of race/sexual orientation issues, HUGE credit. However, if you honestly don't think that slurs of a racial or sexual nature are not uttered on every campus in this country, you are sadly mistaken 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I absolutely assume that there is racism on every campus, but my point is that saying there are people on every campus using racist language does not help the argument that this is not a huge issue (yelling a racial slur at someone in a public place). Justin Fields and others should not have to "get over it"; others should improve their behavior. If you read any of the other articles that surrounded this incident after it happened, it was, in fact, stated by the students who reported the incident that there is a culture of racism at Georgia. As to what makes it "bad enough" for one player to find it unacceptable and others to stay, that sounds like an individual decision. Should Fields wait til more players on his team are called n*****s at football games to request his transfer waiver? 

For the record, I am a 51-year old white man, and deserve no HUGE credit, though I am glad someone is DRAGGING this country forward finally. 

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Arsenal7's picture

Is a slur directed towards someone on a college campus a serious issue? 

Yes 

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

Maybe he stayed only because by the time October came around he had already passed the allotted 4 games and had burnt his freshman eligibility?  I’m not sure if petitioning the NCAA back then would have been much swifter than simply playing and doing so at the end of his season. They’ve always seemed to me to be  extremely slow to do anything that helps the athletes.  But I honestly have no idea either.. lol

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gumtape's picture

This is the NCAA board of governors. Do you think this particular situation is the one that this very fine group of individuals will want to make their stand?

Just asking because I am also interested in their ruling.

High and tight boo boo

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Orlando Buckeye's picture

The question is raised and everyone turns, in unison, you look at one man.

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QuercusAlba's picture

The political correctness has too much inertia for even the NCAA to ignore here. Whether or not the supposed incident is 'serious' or not isn't in question; the fact that in today's society all someone has to do to be considered a 'racist' or 'bigot' is to not actively support someone else's agenda, instead of opposing it, is what matters to the bigwigs at a place like the NCAA. They won't chance getting this wrong in the court of public opinion and facing the Twitter mob armed with keyboards and bad attitudes. The NCAA will rubberstamp the transfer and get the hell away from this case, in my opinion.

"I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are."
-William Tecumseh Sherman

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bucknut1994's picture

Hell yeah gramps, back in your day you could drop racial slurs whenever you wanted to. It's the political correctness bullshit now that's the real problem.

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QuercusAlba's picture

I'm 28. And I'm not commenting on whether or not a racial slur occurred or not. They are wrong to use. It's just that all it takes nowadays for someone's career or life to be blown to smithereens is the allegation of (not proof of) racial, sexual, religious, etc wrongdoing. My point is that the NCAA will walk on eggshells where any sort of racial issue is concerned, lest they be convicted by the masses of being 'racist'.

"I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are."
-William Tecumseh Sherman

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

It's not an "allegation" as the student admitted to it. You know why the NCAA will be careful with this case? Because they should be. 

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bucknut1994's picture

It’s not an allegation. It happened. And the dipshit racist was on the UGA baseball team and got kicked out of school. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I don't believe he was kicked out of school, just off the team. Not 100% sure, but pretty sure. 

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CharlotteBux's picture

I don’t know you but you call everyone that disagrees with you a racist or you hint at that notion. Your man told a whole diff story and you decided to sideways it and go for one action. Please don’t be the nerd in a jersey front row in block O embarrassing the school. 

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TheDizzle's picture

Unless they want Black Lives Matter camped out in front of their offices for a month, they'd better grant it to him.

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QuercusAlba's picture

This is the point I'm trying to make above.

"I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are."
-William Tecumseh Sherman

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Here's another point that I don't think many consider: if the NCAA were to suggest that him being called a n***** in a packed stadium is no big deal, we ALL should be marching our asses down to some campus building to protest. 

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CharlotteBux's picture

Not to say ‘he said she said’ but my girlfriends brother plays baseball at UGA and hangs w Justin all the time. I’ve met Justin twice but in big social settings. I trust my gfs brother with my life and he said his friend said ‘my niggas, come by the party’ to a group of Fball players. That’s all. 

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BucksinNYC's picture

From the Washington Post:

”According to Georgia freshman Jordan Goolsby, the first student to make note of the incident via social media, Sasser allegedly yelled “put the n----- in” following an early fourth quarter miscue by sophomore starting quarterback Jake Fromm.

“Before he said it [the alleged racial slur] he kept yelling, ‘put Justin Fields in’ and then when Fromm made a mistake he yelled out “put the n----- in,” Goolsby told the Washington Post.“

The tone and slur eviscerate any and all trust immediately.

Of course he didn’t pack up and leave immediately, he wants to earn college credits and see the first semester out.

Think about how traumatizing that would be for an 18 year old kid.

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gumtape's picture

Another argument in Fields favor, he was a legitimate two sport star in high school. He could claim that he wanted to also play baseball in college. While the offending player was booted from the team, he attended the game with other varsity baseball players and NONE of them had a problem at the time with their drunk buddy saying something that offensive.

High and tight boo boo

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ShaunSJ85's picture

Been posting this a lot of places, but, it hasnt really caught on...

The wait year is for academic purposes... I found this in an article from May, so, it has nothing to do with Fields...

"Some of the decision-makers in the NCAA’s big bureaucracy are pushing to allow players who reach a GPA benchmark to transfer without having to sit. The “academic exception,” as the NCAA calls it, would take effect in 2019-20. The NCAA has also kicked around an exception for players whose head coaches leave for other jobs.

Neither alteration would fundamentally change college sports. The academic exception would shift a small bit of power from coaches to players. It might lead to an increase in roster turnover. But teams are still bound by NCAA scholarship limits, and many (especially in major football and basketball) are now offering predominantly four-year scholarship deals that limit their flexibility to get into outright free agency."

Id guess most of the kids who were granted waivers, had their academics in order... Fields had Ivy League offers and is by all accounts, a good student... If his academics are in order, I think it will go a long way towards getting the waiver (If its even necessary at that point... Not sure if the academic exception is still being considered or not, but, it makes sense)..

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ShaunSJ85's picture

Been posting this a lot of places, but, it hasnt really caught on...

The wait year is for academic purposes... I found this in an article from May...

"Some of the decision-makers in the NCAA’s big bureaucracy are pushing to allow players who reach a GPA benchmark to transfer without having to sit. The “academic exception,” as the NCAA calls it, would take effect in 2019-20. The NCAA has also kicked around an exception for players whose head coaches leave for other jobs.

Neither alteration would fundamentally change college sports. The academic exception would shift a small bit of power from coaches to players. It might lead to an increase in roster turnover. But teams are still bound by NCAA scholarship limits, and many (especially in major football and basketball) are now offering predominantly four-year scholarship deals that limit their flexibility to get into outright free agency."

Id guess most of the kids who were granted waivers, had their academics in order... Fields had Ivy League offers and is by all accounts, a good student... If his academics are in order, I think it will go a long way towards getting the waiver (If its even necessary at that point... Not sure if the academic exception is still being considered or not, but, it makes sense)..

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bucknut1994's picture

Been posting this a lot of places, but, it hasnt really caught on...

The wait year is for academic purposes... I found this in an article from May...

"Some of the decision-makers in the NCAA’s big bureaucracy are pushing to allow players who reach a GPA benchmark to transfer without having to sit. The “academic exception,” as the NCAA calls it, would take effect in 2019-20. The NCAA has also kicked around an exception for players whose head coaches leave for other jobs.

Neither alteration would fundamentally change college sports. The academic exception would shift a small bit of power from coaches to players. It might lead to an increase in roster turnover. But teams are still bound by NCAA scholarship limits, and many (especially in major football and basketball) are now offering predominantly four-year scholarship deals that limit their flexibility to get into outright free agency."

Id guess most of the kids who were granted waivers, had their academics in order... Fields had Ivy League offers and is by all accounts, a good student... If his academics are in order, I think it will go a long way towards getting the waiver (If its even necessary at that point... Not sure if the academic exception is still being considered or not, but, it makes sense)..

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ShaunSJ85's picture

I didnt post twice... But, yes, Im Shaun... ...

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McGrind's picture

Horse left the barn with Shea...NCAA will perform ‘their due diligence’ and grant the waiver. Just will check to see if all the paperwork is correct. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I definitely don't think it's a crazy question to ask. Given how common these waivers have become, the NCAA may be on the verge of just throwing up its hands and allowing immediate transfers for any reason at all.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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Kyson12's picture

This whole situation is just weird and can only turn out bad if race is involved. Better to keep my comments to myself. Having said all that,  I really hope he can play next year if Haskins goes pro. Tired of hearing from Tate also. Show me on the field. No pun intended. 

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southbuc's picture

No one wants any light shone on this. UGA, NCAA etc. it goes through easy. 

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

Antonio Williams was able to play right away for UNC too... I can't remember if he even had a legit reason or not??

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ohst8buxCP's picture

I've heard the argument that his sister plays Softball at UGA so he shouldn't be able to claim hardship but that seems pretty BS to me. They're two entirely different people. If he doesn't feel comfortable after the incident it's his decision, not sure how what she does matter considering she wasn't there for it.

In any case I doubt it matters. No chance the NCAA wants to deal with the blowback.

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JT4Heisman's picture

A lot of people are treating this as a one or the other situation... but have you guys considered that maybe it's both? Maybe being called that slur in a public place by a fellow varsity athlete did make him want to leave the school and maybe he also wants to go somewhere where he has a better chance to play early? I mean you can have more than one reason for wanting to do something.

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Rascall's picture

I really think political correctness is a terrible thing but in this case I don't have a problem with him getting a waiver. It's not because I'm a Buckeye fan but I know without a doubt if I made the same mistake of using that word at my place of employment directly towards an individual I would be walked out before the end of the day. Anyone should know what the repercussions will be and in today's world they have become just.

I can't put myself in J. Fields place because I don't know his history or anything that has gone on at that university. I disrespect anyone that would use a situation like this to just promote their position but who's to say that is what's happening. A player on a varsity team being dismissed would easily have some blowback from many people and maybe that's all it would take to ask for some consideration.

From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.

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Earthoid.'s picture

I know without a doubt if I made the same mistake of using that word at my place of employment directly towards an individual I would be walked out before the end of the day.

Yeah but I'm sure the person you directed it at wouldn't get a promotion out of it.

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

Huh? Justin Fields isn’t getting a promotion. He’s transferring. So in this situation y’all are playing with, it would be like if the individual who was called a racial slur at work requested a transfer to a different department.

That likely would happen without much questioning. 

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Earthoid.'s picture

Bullocks.  This isn't a lateral move or else he wouldn't be doing it.  Everybody knows the racial slur is an excuse to transfer and not sit out... and that's fine, he should use everything at his disposal to try and get what he wants in life... that's his prerogative.  Now we'll see what the NCAA feels like doing.

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Earthoid.'s picture

I wish I got a some kind of waiver every time I heard a racial slur directed toward me in my life.  

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Triv's picture

Do you have to wait a year after leaving one job to take a new one?

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LCT's picture

OP, I think you raise good points. They're similar to ones I made yesterday (this is what makes them good -- just kidding).

In the end, I think the NCAA just approves a waiver so as not to have a mess. And we see more transfers & waivers going forward for the precedent.

Ohio State has its share of troglodyte losers in the stands every Saturday so we shouldn't high horse over this.

And I have said my last piece on the matter. Go Tate. Go Fields. Most important: Go Bucks.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

In the end, I think the NCAA just approves a waiver so as not to have a mess. And we see more transfers & waivers going forward for the precedent.

i think this is the key moving forward.  NCAA may realize coaches move all the time but yet the players are restricted. The shift is real, and the recent changes to the red-shirt rule can be lumped into this as well.  If a kid isn’t happy somewhere, then let him go play somewhere else.  

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Smitty516's picture

So are we for sure this is the argument Fields is going to use to get the waiver? Was there more to the story that we don’t know about, maybe how Smart, the AD, the university handled the situation? (Im not saying they did handle it wrong, I know the player was removed from the team but still in school, I’m just curious if there was more to it than just the incident itself.)

Are there any other issues that Justin faced at UGA that we don’t know? 

It just seems that this is what is speculated on how Fields will get his waiver, but are we for sure this is going to be his only argument?

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

No one is sure of horse manure, including present company, with regards to Fields’ claim for a hardship waiver.  It (racial slur) being the one he will supposedly use is just the narrative that’s being written.  And it’s assumed that the infamous “race” card will be played.  

Funny how that works! There’s nothing like that accusation itself being thrown out.

Besides, there IS precedent for others (A Williams, the Duke lineman) and others being granted immediate eligibility without knowing what reason they gave.

A narrative was written that Grimes transferred due to family illness.  While Mom has a medical issue, when others posted truth that a lot of his motivation was being left off the Rutgers travel squad and his getting pissed because he thought he should be playing, that truth didn’t fit the narrative, so it couldn’t be true! It was!

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