WVU would pay more than UC would. And they're in the Big XII not the AAC.
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And they're in the Big XII not the AAC.
I agree with this and it's funny to me because Holgorsen just did the expect opposite by leaving the Big 12 for the AAC. With that being said, Houston paid him more than WVU.
Houston is shooting for the Big 12. Herman gave them some cred, but they needed more than what Applewhite could bring. This is them swinging for the fences.
Completely agree. If I remember correctly, in addition to Houston, wasn't UC also a part of the Big 12 discussion?
Would think Houston and UCF would be the two they would take first...
UCF seems like a no brainer. Houston, not so much. You already have Texas and Texas Tech.
And Baylor, and TCU...
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Good reason to stay, Wait. The WVU old coach went to the AAC,
He should be able to negotiate a nice raise with Cincy's results in the field and this type of interest from larger programs. WVU is pretty cheap too which is why Dana left for a smaller program.
True, IBSG. If Fickell has any designs whatsoever on one day being back at OSU as THE man, then he'll have to take a chance and go to a place on a level between UC and Ohio State... and WVU is absolutely on that level. They're a step up from Cincinnati, and a step down from OSU. Fickell has now officially won at UC, and if he wins at a place like WVU, in a P5 conference, then if/when OSU next opens up, Luke Fickell would garner interest as long as the timing favors him.
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Every HC job is between UC and OSU :)
Every HC job is between Michigan and tOSU.
Fixed it for you... :)
Is the B12 really a step up? lol
Idk if I wouldn't take it if I was him. He's likely to get a better offer in a year if he continues doing what he's been doing.
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Is the B12 really a step up? lol
Yes. UC's been trying to get into the Big-12/ACC for years.
Reading recently about UConn and their issues funding the athletic department the difference in conference payouts to member schools is about $30 million annually for big 5 vrs smaller D1 conferences.
Luke could do really well at wvu and who else could they get? It's all about expectations though. He goes 8-4 every year he'll get run out of town like holgorsen. (I know he left on his own but he was wearing out his welcome).
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Don't laugh, but fans were begging that they re-hire RR.
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Why would anyone laugh at this? He had tremendous success by WVU's standards and would be a good hire for them. It probably won't happen because there's still some bad blood with the way he left there just 1 year after turning down Alabama. But it would be a good hire for them. He can win in the B12.
I think it would be a great move. He'd do well.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
I think the laughs are at Rich Rod because of his shortcomings at Michigan and also due to his sleazy ousting at Arizona
If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?
Too much dirty baggage to bring RR back
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Some WVU fans would only take him back if he was in a body bag. They're still a little salty how he left them for TTUN.
It's got nothing to do with coaching and everything to do with being in the wrong conference. The Big XII was the absolute last conference the Mountaineers should've ever gone to. Playing in the Big XII, WVU's closest conference opponent is Iowa State, a mere 874 miles away. The furthest away is Texas Tech in Lubbock, which is 1471 miles as the crow flies. Their average travel distance for an in-conference away game for the 'Neers is 1140 miles. Nebraska has a similar problem in the Big Ten (and don't think Oklahoma and Texas aren't watching that closely).
They enjoyed being the big rooster in the hen house of the Big East after Miami, Va Tech and BC bolted for the ACC. But as the Big East crumbled, and the music stopped, there weren't any Power Five seats left for WVU to take.
Historically, WVU is a "B" football school at best. They have only 'dominated' a conference twice in their history. Once, in the 1950's, in a conference compiled of now FCS teams (the Southern Conference). And once in the Big East from 2003-2011.
Prior to 2005 under Rodruguez, WVU had exactly one season with 10 or more wins: the 1993 Mountaineers went 11-1, won the Big East but lost the Sugar Bowl by a score of 41-7 to Florida. Coincidentally, Miami and Va Tech left the conference in 2005 and BC left in 2006. At that point, WVU's biggest competition in the Big East became...drum roll...UC (coached by Mark Dantonio, Brian Kelly and Butch Jones) and Rutgers (Schiano 2001-11).
Unless WVU moves to the American Conference, Conf USA, or possibly the Big East, they will be a perennial 10-3 to 7-6 team.
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I think Fickell is the best choice for that job as he has an already established footprint in the recruiting of that area.
Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"
If Fickell does end up at West Virginia, he will probably erode Kentucky's recent Ohio footprint, which is fine with me (Kentucky is technically in the SEC).
Funny how Kentucky fans have said for years that Ohio State could never compete in the SEC and now they have actually have a competitive SEC program built out of Ohio kids that were never offered by Ohio State.
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Kentucky will be back at the bottom in a year or two. Teams in the SEC take turns being relevant.
....said Nick Saban. /s
I definitely think Fickell would leave Cincinnati to coach elsewhere if the opportunity presented itself. I'm just not sure West Virginia provides that much more than Cincinnati other than coaching in a Power 5 conference and a substantially better looking stadium. It would definitely come down to the $$$ on the table.
Well, it's much easier said that done, but in a hypothetical year where, say, WVU goes 12-1 and wins the B12, there is maybe a 50% chance they make the playoff.
In a year where Cincy goes 13-0, there is about a 5% chance they make the playoff.
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Well, it's much easier said that done, but in a hypothetical year where, say, WVU goes 12-1 and wins the B12,
The only times WVU has ever come close to a season like that, they were in the Big East. And that was mostly under Rodriguez after Miami, Va Tech and BC left for the ACC. The conference was basically the American Athletic Conference Lite.
It'll never happen in the Big XII. They can't recruit players to come to Morgantown and travel over 1000 miles to play conference opponents.
They cannot compete in the playoff system right now..
Fickell should stay put, if things sour for Day after a few years a defensive Ohio guy will be welcomed back. #hirefickell
They were one score away from playing in the B12 championship.
Yeah well ttun was three touchdowns and a made field goal from playing in the BIG championship so there.
Not sure what this has to do with anything in this thread, it’s Friday, it’s a major non sequitor, but still feels good.
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Hot damn. I will be an instant WVU fan if this comes to be.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0
Fickell's holding out one more year when he'll take over Michigan.
No way in hell
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
Carolina Buck forgot the /s font. Luke Fickell still bleeds scarlet and gray.
Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....
Luke Fickell still bleeds scarlet and gray
Woody told Bo he could take over at Ohio State when he retired. Bo, who was from Ohio, didn't want to wait 15 years to be a head coach. Gary Moeller was an Ohio State team captain and ended up at Michigan. Both of them bled scarlet and gray and both ended up as HC's at Michigan.
True that...I guess loyalties can be bought and sold.....sigh.....sad commentary. Say it ain't so Luke!?
Coaching jobs are JOBS. Of course coaches' loyalties can be bought, the same way pro athletes' "loyalties" are bought. We fans may want to believe otherwise. How many of us would refuse the offer of, say, a doubled salary at a more prestigious company because we are "loyal" to our current employer? There will always be some, but it's never going to be prevalent.
Loyalty can be fickle in the coaching world.
I see what you did there.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
More prestigious??? *ichigan??!? Bah!
And neither could win a national championship
I had no idea that Woody was molding Bo to take over at TheOhioState? Man can you imagine the state Michigan football would be in today had Woody decided to retire before his meltdown and give Bo the reign to the Buckeyes?
I have seen two eventual landing spots for Fick whispered about of late (other than OSU of course): West Virginia, or the successor to Dantonio in East Lansing.
I know he would recruit Ohio rather strongly at either school, but I’d sure as hell prefer cheering him on at a Big XII program than staying at UC and then going to a B1G divisional rival.
Fick in East Lansing would be a nightmare for us...
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I think Hologerson had WVU at it's ceiling in the Big 12, which is only 5th place - and he had an all-world QB (who he was lucky got a PED suspension at Florida).
Jobs better suited to Fickell in the Big 10 or perhaps the ACC will open up in the next year or two. Jump at WVU and, like Hologerson, you're back where you started in 3-5 years.
Holgo was actually the OC at Ok St before he went to WVU, then he was replaced by a guy you might have heard of in the last few days...Mike Yurcich.
Hologerson came to Okie State from... Houston.
With OSU having hired a coach younger than him to replace Urban, he will definitely go after other P5 jobs. He won't be at UC long and WVU wouldn't be a terrible place to go.
I'm not so sure, there's talk every year of Cincinnati getting added to the ACC and Big 12, Fickell may just stick around until it happens also of note, I think UC would be the only place Urban would coach again, sister works there, son goes there and Meyer played and graduated from there
I highly doubt UC is getting a P5 bid anywhere. They could draw decent in basketball but will never amount to anything in football which is where the money is.
I don't know, they won the Big East 2 of 3 years they were in and almost had a National title game unfortunately for them there were 3 undefeated teams that year. I think it's just a matter of time to be honest, they had their chance with invites from the ACC and Big 12 last realignment but the other Big East teams played them like a fiddle, won't happen again
The Big East in 2009 was shadow of its former self
Besides UC the other "powers" in that conference were WVU and Pitt, both of whom have been mediocre in the B12 and ACC respectively, other than that there was Rutgers, UConn, S Fla, Syracuse and Louisville all of who at best are middle of the pack Power 5 teams and at worst terrible
Of those teams UC, U Conn and S Fla were bypassed for membership in a power 5 conference
UC ran the table against a ton of mediocre teams (Rutgers, SE Mizzou St, Oregon St, Fresno, Miami O, and the rest of their weak conference)
Even so they won 5 games by 10 or less and when they finally played a real power in Florida they got demolished by 27 which wasnt as close as the score shows as UF lead 37-3 in the 3rd quarter and 51-17 with less than 4 minutes left before giving up a garbage TD late, with Meyer's offense setting Sugar Bowl records with Tebow having 320 yards passing in the first half alone
They had a nice year but it as a fluke of their weak schedule and having a solid team
It would blow my mind if Urban took over the Bearcats in his later years if the medical stuff subsides. Cincy is my solid second favorite team now with Fickell running the show, it would be almost parallel with the Buckeyes if Meyer would take over.
I'm not sure why I didn't see this possibility?
If the idea is to hover near Columbus while still being you own coach, but not really being in the big ten either, wvu is the top of that limited ladder
Yep. WVU is the best job within 3 hours of Columbus that isnt Ohio State.
Renowned dipshit Mark May notwithstanding, Pitt would be above WVU in my estimation.
Fick interviewed for Pitt but the job went to Paul Chryst.
You win with people.
And so forth...
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Absolutely. Pitt can actually be competitive in the ACC. WVU will never be competitive in football in the Big XII.
They made a run at the conference title this year??? They should have beaten Oklahoma but blew it in the end. To say they're not competitive is a joke.
I wish the NFL would go ahead and make their hires already. If Fitzgerald really goes to Green Bay and Kelly goes to TB, I think those would be much more ideal spots for Coach Fick.
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I think another successful year at Cincinnati would land Luke better job offers than West Virginia.
UC's going to be even better next year.
While i like fickell and certainly think his career wil progress, wva-fickell seems like oil and water to me.
bob huggins, rich rod = perfect fit. Fickell (a tressel protege).. hmmmmm. Not so much imho. They arent going for the... at least we have good kids.
dont get me wrong, i think schools should serve the needs of kids. Im in the camp that its better to give another chance than just throw them away. And if certain schools set themselves up for the kids that need second, third chances i think its great. I also think harvard is great and everything in between is too.
but you have to be honest about who you are and i dont see it as a great match.
Fick is a Coop, Tress, and Meyer protege. Don't cut him short.
Not sure if Luke will ever be a big time head coach. OSU was 12-1 the year before he took over. Luke went 6-7 and then Urban was hired and went 12-0. Luke just seems to be one of those guys that is destined to be a great position coach but not a great head coach
Come on, literally the top players on the team were suspened including the heisman front runner QB. Cant believe no context is given surrounding the circumstances on an OSU message board.
He has UC in the Top 25 this year. And that's after Tommy Tuberville ran that program into the ground.
Ol' Tommy "Go to Hell, Get a job!" Tuberville. Forgot about him already.
I don't see UC's name in this poll. They're not listed in the coaches or AP poll. What poll are you looking at?
Bearcats were ranked #25 in the Week 11 and 12 AP polls.
Where you are and where you were are not the same. FSU was 2017 preseason #2 and finished the season 7-6
And UC will move up in the final polls after beating Virginia Tech in their bowl game.
The final poll is already out and UC is not in the top 25.
MA- What are you looking at UC is ranked in the final AP and Coaches polls???
With his Ohio recruiting roots and Western Pennsylvania right there, I think Fickell could do well there. Wouldn't blame him for staying in Cincy, though, either.
I’d be surprised if Luke took the job. Not a whole lot of talent returning next year, especially at QB.
I think Neal Brown is currently the front runner..
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GO for it Fick!
Fickell seems to be a big family guy. From what I read, so is Freeman. I'm not sure I'd uproot my fam and take them to WV. No offense, but maybe a little. Especially if my kid is playing football at Archbishop Moeller.
Per the family guy meme, the Enquirer had this today:
I don't know, I still believe it's better to stay in Cincy for now and wait for the right moment. Cincy is actually a good gig. It's not a bad city. But then again, I guess I underestimated the Gee factor. I guess it depends how much Gee's role in the Tressel affair left a bad taste in Luke's mouth at that juncture. Not saying Gee was instrumental in messing that up, but he sure didn't seem like an authority figure when that stuff was going down.
I like W.Va...I agree with a lot of post's above me...Luke can do better...Go Luke...Go Bucks
A lot of people with $$$ in Morgantown live around Cheat Lake which is a pretty sweet place. Some even commute in from South Pittsburgh. Morgantown is still a far cry from Cincy.
This just seems like it would be a bad move for Fickell. Doesn't seem like it would be a good fit for him. I think he can do better if he holds out for another opportunity.
luke -- may the force be with you...but no! not west virginia! your closest road conference game is a 1000 miles away! no in-state recruiting. no facilities. no upside. plus morgantown's a dump! i've been there.
believe me...morgantown is a dump. how gordon gee ended up there is beyond me. country roads, take me out!
It's no different than SE Ohio
Correct. West Va is no different than Cadiz, Cambridge, Steubenville, Poland, Calcutta, Lisbon. All cities south and east of Youngstown. Some beautiful golf courses but not much civilization. I get that most of West Virginia is probably like that. It does get Fick into a P5 though. Albeit, like taking over Kansas State in the Big 12. Slightly better than Iowa St, but another year of 10 or 11 wins and he’s got a much better opportunity somewhere else.
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Fickell aint stupid. Ohio State just hired a 39 year old potential star for a coach. His turn, if ever, aint coming for a while. Might as well make some money, get yourself in a decent P5 job and see if you can build a program or keep climbing. I would be bummed if we didnt see him coaching in the shoe next year though
Fickell should stay at Cincy and develop that program and talent for 2 or 3 more years and then he’ll have his pick of far better Power 5 jobs like ND or USC.
Totally agree - WV is kinda a lateral move. I would build up Cincy and then look for something better and not have to move twice!
He's just starting to get his players in.. Think he's testing the waters and seeing if he can't get a bigger payday..
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Great move, a big step up. If they offer it, be should take it, IMO.
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I just hope he doesn't end up with a career kinda like Glen Mason who was really sour to have been passed over by Tressel when Cooper was let go. I didn't blame him for having a hard-on to come back to tOSU, but he wasn't the right candidate (thankfully). Luke can do much better than Glen. In some ways, he already has...just not at a B1G school.
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Somebody previously mentioned it, but Luke at Michigan State would be worrisome to me with all his Ohio recruiting expertise. It almost makes too much sense for him to land there. And may God help us if something happens with him and TTUN. The OSU job is not opening up any time soon.
If Brian Kelly jumps ship to the NFL and Notre Dame has an opening this year, would Fickel be a candidate?!
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I don't think so after 1 year at UC.
If Ficks goes to WVU, does that mean OSU has a shot at landing Freeman? I assume Freeman goes with Fickell, but man we can dream.
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I think WVU has the potential to be a clear #3 in the Big 12. They have a history of recruiting Florida well, their obvious geographic location to Ohio / Penn and the conference ties opening up Texas, they have the ability to recruit 3 hot bed areas like few other schools that aren't a clear "blue blood".
The problem with them and other schools of that caliber is fan expectation. It doesn't seem their fanbase / administration is content being in the 8-4 to 10-2 range annually, with the occasional ability for everything to go right and be deep in the title hunt deep in the year like this past year.
WVU only spends $18.5 million per year on football which is ranked 55th in the nation. If they want hirer expectations they need to spend in line with the schools they aspire to be competitive with. Fyi OSU spent $37 million/ year (6th highest) and Alabama leads the Nation in spending $14 million more then their closest competition ($56 million annually). These figures are from 2017.
Fick would bring some defense to the Big 12. It would surely blow the collective teams' minds.
Sooner or later it all gets real.
As a defensive influenced coach, going to the Big 12 sounds a bit out of place to me. Plus I don't see WVU being able to consistently compete with Texas & Oklahoma. The rest maybe but not those two.