Skull Session: Shelley Meyer Wants Urban Meyer to Be Done Coaching, Tate Martell Talks Justin Fields, and Dwayne Haskins NFL Decision

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Silver Sniper's picture

I think Fields is legit, but I also love the alpha mentality this has already brought out in Tate. You can tell it's going to push him every practice and he knows he's not going to have the job just handed to him. 

Where I come from, the alpha mentality comes from working hard and then showing everyone on the field how good I am. Not from running my mouth without ever having accomplished a thing at this level. I am also rooting for the best to play, but at this point, I’d like to see Martell in the news for his skills/accomplishments and not his tweets.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

We hear this take all the time but what do you want Tate to say?  He isn’t playing because he’s sitting behind a generational talent.  He gets asked about Fields, what do you want Tate to say?  “Umm I’m not allowed to have an opinion on this yet because I haven’t had the opportunity to showcase my skills”?

I get it, he hasn’t played yet.  That does not mean he’s not allowed to have an opinion.  I would hope that all backup quarterbacks believe they will win spring competition  and start the following year.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Have an opinion sure, but he’s making it about himself publicly and trying to chase off a potential recruit for his own gain. That’s not a leadership quality and it’s not in the best interest of the team. Lol, I just called out Kevin yesterday for saying “what’s he supposed to say?” There are a lot of things he can say or not say that avoid creating division in the team. I have nothing against Tate and I root for his success. But above all, I am rooting for whoever the best QB is to make the team most successful. Him doing all this talking is only increasing the pressure he now has to put on himself to win the thing. My point was, he doesn’t need to tell everyone how good he is or take shots at Fields, he only need work hard and go win the job and be great. 

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

You’re assuming Tate is “trying to run Fields off.”  If anything, this most recent comment clarifies Tate’s swing and miss comment.  He is basically saying look, it takes some time to run an offense at this level. Tate admits he would not have been able to have done so as a freshman.  Fields should not assume he will waltz in and lead OSU.  I think that is a reasonable take.  Now, you may not like Tate’s delivery, but moxy is a good attribute from an up-and-coming QB.  

I agree, the best QB should play, period.  But I don’t think it is unreasonable for Tate to say he plans on being the starter.  I hope both Fields and Baldwin think they will start as well.

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Silver Sniper's picture

If he’s not trying to run him off, it could very reasonably be perceived that way. That’s why it’s better he go to work and let his play do the talking like the great OSU players.

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Blackcoffee's picture

"not from running my mouth..." part harsh. Times to get heard, person has to " run the mouth" a bit. Anywho, where you are "from" in terms of proving yourself probably just around the corner from Tate Martell. Good day

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a.buck's picture

I am with you but some dudes are just cut from a different cloth. I remember Thomas being very vocal before his playing time and that turned out pretty well.

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luckynutz's picture

Cantguardmike. I'd say that's pretty accurate.

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

I’m sure while fields and Martel are fighting over the job, Baldwin will run right past them for the gold.   

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HOLYbucknut's picture

He sat behind a record setting QB all year and is getting prodded with these questions non-stop. What would you like him to do? Take Dwayne’s knee out during practice? Even better what would you say when you’re constantly being asked and people are already giving the job to Fields? Dude is a competitor and is just telling it how it is.

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Silver Sniper's picture

You must have missed it in my comment, Holy. I’d like for him to show everyone how good he is instead of constantly talking/tweeting about it while taking shots at a potential future teammate. It comes off as insecure and it doesn’t reflect qualities of a team leader. 

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HOLYbucknut's picture

All I’m saying is that I don’t think Tate just went up to a reporter and said “Hey, I wanna tell you how I feel about Fields coming here.” I get your point. Tate hasn’t played yet. He hasn’t had a chance and now all of these questions are rolling into him. I don’t think any of us are naive enough to think that he doesn’t see people crowning Fields the starter for next year and the competitor in him doesn’t like that at all. He’s just saying how it really is (Haskins said it takes a couple of years also) not taking shots at him. I haven’t really seen a shot taken yet (Twitter included). If people don’t like Tate’s competitive fire then they can complain to Urban and ZS for recruiting him...although I’m not sure any of us want to ever talk to ZS. All in good conversation though Silver!

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Silver Sniper's picture

Holy, it’s all good. I appreciate all varying opinions. He’s tweeted a couple of things directed at Fields and now this comment to the media. One that stands out is him sending this passive aggressive warning not to swing and miss a second time. I don’t think it reflects well on a potential leader of next year’s team to fire shots across the bow at a potential future teammate. It makes it all about him versus all about the team. I’m thinking of QBs like JT, Burrow, Haskins, that conducted themselves with a lot of class and never tried to dissuade a recruit from coming or put down a team member publicly. I root for Tate and I also like his moxy, but I think he’s crossed the line trying to chase off Fields. If he’s the best QB, he’ll get the job and doesn’t need to concern himself with Fields or keep directing messages to him publicly. Ultimately, it should be about the team and the best player playing in any position regardless if they transferred in, were recruited in, walked on, etc. Cheers!

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Blackcoffee's picture

He is speaking as a Buckeye football player. Fields is not a Buckeye. Not yet. When he is, then lets talk.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Coffee, I’m thinking of it as him trying to dissuade a potential recruit from coming. Regardless that Fields has already committed elsewhere, it’s not a good look. If we land Fields, he would be our highest rated commit of all time. 

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HOLYbucknut's picture

Yeah, I can see where you’re coming from. Just like you think that the swing and miss thing was at Fields, I took that as a shot at Patterson which a lot have speculated about on here. IMO I think everything will blow over and he’ll be a great teammate if Fields comes here. Also as Tate has proven, he doesn’t have that quiet, business-like demeanor like JT and Dwayne had. Some people like that, some people don’t. 

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Schizo's picture

Tate all but confirmed that the swing and miss comment was about Fields. He and his family were liking all the responses that asked if it was about Frields transferring to OSU. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

Holy, confirming what Schizo said, Tate came out later and said it was toward Fields.

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blueblazer22's picture

Let Fields come and fight it out with Tate and Bakdwin and whoever else is around. That cannot do anything but make them better after all is said and done. Maybe someone leaves a la Burreaux, but look at what he did yesterday. An embarrassment of riches all around. 

Haskins can say all he wants about coming back to break a record, but he is the only legitimate qb in this draft and leaving makes a hell of a lot more sense than staying unfortunately. 

Thanks again for 7 great years Urban. It was a fun ride. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Speaking of Joe Burrow, I wonder if LSU fans really appreciate what Burrow meant to that program this year. He probably saved them from a 50/50 season, kept Eddie O employed, and showed them what a real quarterback looked like. And yet, there was a learning curve for him as a transfer. What an effort he produced yesterday after getting punched in the nuts.

I’m sure many an LSU fan watched other SEC teams such as Arkansas and Ole Miss this year and thought “but for the grace of Joe Burrow go I”.

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The Rill Dill's picture

They are very aware that he was their best quarterback in the last 10-15 years.

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Dillon G's picture

What a wild season. Urban Meyer by the numbers should be the GOAT. He even changed over time from the coach who ran it up to the one whose teams take their foot off the gas. It has been my pleasure.

#walkaway

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CALPOPPY's picture

Haha...saw the balloon comeing in about 20 seconds earlier and just started yellI got “balloon, balloon!” And “Go balloon, go! You can make it balloon! Keep goin, balloon!”. People around me (even aside from my group) thought that I was a little crazy. Eventually it floated close enough for them to grab, but I was cheering it on. While it did reach at least the field, sadly, it did not score.

Memento mori

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ToTheHouse's picture

Happy New Cal, always good to see your posts.

Yeah anybody crazy enough to laugh at a balloon has to be a Buck fan. My take is the way the air got let out of boys second half and how via the Committee just gives them another reason to stick a pin in them past present and future....considerations. (I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and guess that the final 2018-19 rankings will prove my point)

Hopefully Coach Ryan & (if & when) former qb Ok. St. Coach comes on staff can change that one game at a time

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buckeyedude's picture

That's funny shit right there, Calpoppy! I don't think you're crazy at all. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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okiebuck's picture

Only problem with the balloon....it wasn't Scarlet.

The only hard day was yesterday

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Mostly Gray's picture

Since it was caught and popped so easily, it should have been blue.

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subUrbanBuck22's picture

That ref didn’t make it to the top by letting balloons fly and not popping them-hate to see him at a kids bday party Lol

Go Bucks!

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MichiBuck12's picture

Vacation is over. Back to work. It was not easy getting up this morning and driving in. I really should start taking some of this vacation time I have saved up.

Anyway, Its wednesday morning and Urban Meyer is no longer the coach. This feels weird because I know in my head he's not the coach but it doesn't feel like he's no longer the coach. I'm excited for the Ryan Day era and I think its going to be a fun ride. 

I like Martells comments. Bring on Fields. If he wins the job, great. But he's going to have to beat out a very very good Martell who already has a head start. Whoever is the QB next year, we are in good shape. 

How bout "one of the four best teams" Georgia last night? SEC! SEC! Suck it Herbie

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lew-e's picture

So happy to see Georgia lose. They were tweeting about “shoulda been in the playoffs” before their own game... talk about getting smacked in the mouth haha

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BuckInNashville's picture

Is there a final ranking ? If so, you gotta think that we would jump to three since 3-5 all lost and 3 & 4 looked like they didn’t belong. (OSU looked like we absolutely embarrassed the committee for 2 and a half quarters.)

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

See that’s the problem, OSU looked good for two and a half quarters.  A football game consists of four quarters.  OSU has a tendency to sleepwalk through half the game (typically the first half).  I’m not sure whether it is a motivation issue or a scheme issue but I hope Day is able to get the team ready to play four good quarters of football.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Still, #6 finishing 13-1 with a win over #9 Washington easily trumps #5 UGA’s 11-3 with a 28-21 loss to #15 Texas so that gets UGA out of the way. Notre Dame getting burned 30-3 doesn’t warrant them staying #3—see Ohio State falling from #3 to #6 after losing to Clemson. Oklahoma put up a halfway decent fight against Alabama although the game wasn’t nearly as close as an 11-point loss might suggest but if Alabama wins it all, Oklahoma may somehow rise to #3 even though it lost. I’d say we’re at least 4th. Getting to #3 might be a push. It ultimately depends on how much the voters decide to reshuffle the top four.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Big Horn Buckeye's picture

I understand your reasoning. Sad to think that another 2 loss team being ranked higher than a 1 loss team because of doing better than expected against Alabama.

i think the results will be ND #3, Bucks #4 OU#5. Some feel that ND’s loss to Clemson not as bad as Purdue loss.

Always and forever, Go Bucks!

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MichiBuck12's picture

Thats kinda the story of the year. Ohio State, especially on defense, was judged against the typical expectations of Ohio State. Oklahoma was judged against the expectation that they play zero defense at all. Thus they are forgiven their sins and the Buckeyes are not.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I would agree with number 4. Oklahoma, despite going down 28-0 early, did put up a pretty decent fight. At least good enough to justify their being there. Notre Dame on the other hand did not. I think we should absolutely jump them in the rankings. Going forward they should be considered a G5 team. They are not special and until they join and win a P5 conference do not deserve consideration. BYU is also independent. If BYU had played the exact same schedule with the exact same results as ND, would they have been in?

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MichiBuck12's picture

I'm already seeing the excuses on twitter this morning that it doesn't really count because Georgia wasn't motivated to be there. Bull shit. You can't go chirping on twitter about being left out of the playoffs and then use lack of motivation as an excuse 3 days later. Honestly its getting more and more ridiculous when people try to claim there is not an SEC bias in the media and at ESPN specifically. And fuck Herbstreit for carrying Georgias water to the committee. They got blown out by LSU, blew a 2 touchdown lead against Alabama, and lost to Texas in the bowl. The three toughest games they played all year and they lost them. Yet ESPN talking heads still argue that they are one of the 4 best. Its a total joke. Georgia is the Michigan of the SEC. Great against bad teams. Bad against good ones.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

EXACTLY. 

Didnt seem very unmotivated when they were trash talking Okie and ND Saturday. Of course once they get smashed by Texas ESPN did a full throttle mea clips for them even though they never extend that to any other non-SEC team 

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brutus0717's picture

My point is what does it say about their team when they play a game but don't care enough to win it? I say that's all bullshit...those players don't want to get beat, but they did, by a 4 loss team.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

The tussle between Bevo and Ugga before the game was an omen.  Bevo was pissed off, and Ugga wanted no part of that. 

Snark aside, they are darned lucky that no one got hurt. Bring a nervous, 2000 pound animal equipped with sharp pointy-parts into into the middle of a big, noisy crowd.  What could go wrong?

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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buckeyedude's picture

Hey Michibuck, I predict your Michigan fan coworkers are going to be very quiet today and very unlikely to be chatting about the bowl games. ;)

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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MichiBuck12's picture

They've been very quiet for over a month now and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The other day though I did see some optimism on facebook from the fringes of the fanbase. It made me laugh. I saw a guy actually say that Harbaugh has them headed in the right direction and that he has accomplished more as the head coach than anyone since Yost. Personally, I'm torn. I think its hilarious how mediocre he is at Michigan and want him to stay because I don't view him as a threat. But at the same time, I want him to leave for the NFL before the fanbase is ready for him to go. I want them to be heartbroken by it. I don't want him to stay so long that they want rid of him.

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Buckabroad's picture

Agree, MichiBuck. But somehow, I think option no. 2 would be even sweeter. Imagine the TTUN fan base effectively being abandoned by their savior. That would be too good to pass up.

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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MichiBuck12's picture

It would be awesome, and its my natural tendency to lean that way as well. The problem I keep running into when I run that scenario in my head though, is if he leaves, They will all just pretend they recognized his deficiencies all along. Never under estimate the level of delusion these people are capable of. They will suddenly claim to have seen reality the whole time. You and I both know thats a load of shit, but thats what they'll do. They're delusional enough to be able to dilute the pain if he were to leave, and that defeats the purpose. I think, right now, the best thing would be for him to stay. Penn State and Sparty I think are on a downward trajectory. Harbaugh is great against mediocre teams. He will have the fans flying high when they come for their annual beat down for the forseeable future. I think him staying and breaking the fanbases collective heart on the saturday after thanksgiving every year is the best way to inflict maximum pain. This last one they practically short circuited. They're broken as a fanbase. Building them back up and crushing them again is something I'm here for. Him leaving would be more entertaining short term, but I hate them so much I'm willing to play the long game here. 

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Buckabroad's picture

Shaka Zulu said: "When you fight your enemy, destroy him completely or he will fly in your face again." 

I have to agree that breaking the fanbase repeatedly will accomplish that aim more effectively than the finite pleasure of a one-time meltdown resulting from Harbaugh's departure. Your take is very convincing! 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

It’s the end of one era and the beginning of another. Let’s go get em coach day. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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mugbucket's picture

Brendon White had himself a game, he'll only get better. Okudah is legit.

The W's are always better than the L's, but that one didn't need to be so darn close.

God Bless the seniors & those who are moving on to the next level.

And thanks again Coach for never losing to TTUN. Legend.

Go Bucks!

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

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Hondo's picture

Perfect thoughts.

The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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Buckabroad's picture

Coach Meyer is a legend and an all-time Buckeye great. That is all ...

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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dan_isaacs's picture

That's the LA Times, not ESPN.  Though I trust you'll get to hear Platchke's hot take on Around the Horn.

Dan Isaacs

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Buckabroad's picture

Dan_Isaacs, I think AllinOSU is referring to an article on ESPN online as well. The title was something to the effect of "Yeah, Meyer might be awesome, but all of the unproven allegations will forever tarnish his legacy". Made me so sick that ESPN could not even have enough fringe decency and graciousness to allow Meyer the spotlight at this moment. I could not bring myself to open the link. Man, ESPN really is the bottom of the barrel.

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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NOBLUE's picture

OSU played very well in the first half ...what the F happened to the offense in the second half ???? 

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

The team hung it up.  It was as if you could hear the energy draining from the team as the game went on.  The second half was painful to watch.

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BuckInNashville's picture

Think about it though, there was a ton of emotion going in to win it for their coach’s last hurrah. Then they charge out to 28-3. It’s hard enough to regain momentum after you’ve jumped out to a blow out lead, but with the emotional charge going in, it was even harder to re-energize.

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Dillon G's picture

Credit to Kendall Sheffield. We didn't see the back of his jersey chasing (failing) up the sideline after a break away.

#walkaway

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luckynutz's picture

That's because Wade and Okudah were on the field a lot more than him. Which should have been the case all year.

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Buctor's picture

What an amazing cycling of feelings since Thanksgiving!  Joy, sadness, pain, hi, low and more and all at the same time!!  Hope all have a great 2019!!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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CPBuckeye's picture

Damon Arnette leaving early is ridiculous. He's played for three seasons but still hasn't learned to turn his head and look for the ball! Too many times i watched him showboating after a pass breakup with a pass interference flag on the ground behind him. He and Prince have driven me nuts with stupid penalties that killed our momentum.

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MichiBuck12's picture

This is basically my reaction as well. He does realize they call pass interference in the NFL too right?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Washington was picking on Arnette all game. He was our Brandon Watson. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

My understanding is that our CBs are trained not to turn their heads to look for the ball. They keep focused on the receiver and try to strip the ball from the receiver as he tries to catch it. This drives me crazy also. I wish that they would turn to look for the ball as well. In the NFL, Arnette and Sheffield will be trained to look back for the ball. If both decide to go to the NFL and test well at the combine (if invited) teams will spend a middle round pick on them due to potential (especially Sheffield).

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cledaybuck's picture

From my watching of the team, it appear our DB's are trained to grab the WR.  Hence all the PI flags.  The idea that Arnette is leaving early for the NFL and is what he is and can't get any better is just ridiculous.

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Scooter's picture

Maybe he just knows that his starting position is going to Okudah next year?

Scooter

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semperfibuck's picture

Despite what Herbie and other “analysts” say, in college football the DB does not have to turn his head and look for the ball. That is why OSU teaches the techniques it does. Of course, you are also not permitted to grab or impede the receiver, but you need NOT turn and “find the football.” That is a myth perpetuated by Herbie (one of many.)

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dan_isaacs's picture

Not in the rule, but it helps sell your intentions to the refs, who are humans (allegedly.)

Dan Isaacs

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cledaybuck's picture

Werner played it perfectly on his pass break up yesterday.

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subUrbanBuck22's picture

He is better at PBUs (see ttun play on Gentry) than up at the line of scrimmage against the run-hopefully he will get better at that bc there are gonna be some talented guys pushing him for that spot next year

Go Bucks!

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buckeyes2353's picture

My feeling on this is that he is what he is at this point and not much will change so why not go now. I feel like him leaving would be a best case for everyone as I would assume that he has his degree at this point and the young talented corners get to see more of the field next year.

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SpringtuckyBuck's picture

Kudos to UFM for continuing a Golden Age of Buckeye football that started with Jim Tressel. I have hope that Coach Day can take the baton and bring this to another level.

I can't wait to see how he shapes his coaching staff for next season!!

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buckguyfan1's picture

Hey Offseason...

Simplify...

10-0 and a chance to go 11-0...

Beat psu

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HOLYbucknut's picture

Lol UV for you, but let’s not get too cocky yet...

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buckeyedude's picture

Exactly, Holybucknut. Last offseason was one of the worst ever, IMHO. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

We had almost made it through a nice quiet summer, and then the 9.0 earthquake hit Columbus.  We were fat, dumb, and happy, completely oblivious that the Zack fault lay underneath the city.  Here's to a REALLY quiet off-season, filled with nothing but peace, happiness, and blue-chip recruits. 

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Frimmel's picture

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

What about Weber??? Talk about a man on a mission hell of a game should of kept feeding him 2nd half.

Noon games suck

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

They tried to run in the second half; it didn't work. The Bucks had one run longer than 4 yards the entire half.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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BucksHave7's picture

We have another Big Game coach at the helm.   Franklin and Harbaugh are both NOT big game coaches.  Ryan Day is gonna be a heck of a Head Coach!  Fix our defense.

BucksHave7

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Hovenaut's picture

I would have preferred the game to have ended a little quicker, and a bit more comfortable, but I'm up smiling just the same.

I respect the Tate, he's a competitior. Missed the news on Malik Harrison returning...that is awesome.

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buckeyedude's picture

OMG. That speech by Coach Day in the locker room just gave me goosebumps. He's the right guy for the job.  I love his youth and energy! It's obvious the players love him!

And thank you, Coach Meyer! 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

I think Tate protests too much

Mark May is a mental midget

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Meh, I put it in the same category as when Karan Higdon was pushed into a corner with a microphone and camera in his face and asked if he’d guarantee a Michigan victory. What would you expect him to say? Same thing with Martell. He’s not going to roll out the red carpet for Fields, roll over and hand him the ball. Anyone who doesn’t get it doesn’t get what it means to be a competitor. And if Fields is scared off by Martell’s comments, then he’s not a competitor.

Couldn't help but notice from the box score that it doesn’t look like Fields played last night unless all he did was handed off. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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brutus0717's picture

Are these kids not able to say "I don't have a comment on that"? They don't HAVE to run their mouths. "No comment" doesn't make them weak, but losing after a guarantee and (potentially) losing a QB competition would.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Come on, man. If he said, “no comment,” people would be calling him weak. It’s a damned if you do/damned if you don’t situation where whatever he says he’s going to piss off half the people, You can’t have it both ways and, frankly, I, for one, like and applaud his moxie. He’s being his own man. I’ve got no problems with that.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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buckeyedude's picture

I'm not sure if they have "the right to remain silent."

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Dwayne says he's 50 / 50 on returning. If we're fortunate and he realizes there's more to chase than dollars.... What will the little Tater tot tweet then ? Hopefully we find out.

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DCDDC's picture

Not my DV BuckeyeJAK, but I think we should all leave Tate alone and quit asking him about Fields.  At least untill the spring game.

Congratulations Buckeyes all!!!

A Rose Bowl Win to digest for the off season.  That is just sweet.  

m GO BLOW!!!

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

The Ryan Day era has begun. Urban's final speech, whistle pass, and Day's speech were incredible. Buckeye football is in good hands.

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Berg2004's picture

Great win last night, but three major opportunities to work on for next year.

1. Tackling. It has been sub-standard all year from too many arm tackles and not enough wrapping.

2. RBs need to be one cut and go. Too much dancing and not finishing the runs resulting in 1-2 yards gained compared to falling forward for a 3-4 yard gain. Makes a big difference having 2nd and 6 vs. 2nd and 9.

3. Penalties. No commentary necessary.

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Frimmel's picture

I thought we tackled very well last night. It seemed more like over-running the play or otherwise being out of position than poor tackling. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I agree. There were some plays where Washington receivers ran right past our guys but overall, I thought we tackled pretty well. The defensive effort was great although we played soft toward the end—there was no pass rush to put pressure on Browning. I don’t know if that was prevent strategy or if our DL was gassed.

I don’t understand how/why we went into a tuck position offensively for the last 1-1/2 quarters. We took our foot off the gas and that gave Washington opportunity to get back into the game. It’s a shame we couldn’t get Haskins 5k and Weber 1k. Has any team ever had a 5k passer, 1k receiver and two 1k rushers?

Prevent offense + prevent defense put Washington in the fast lane to steal that W from us.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Frimmel's picture

A heck of a lot was asked of the defense in the second half. I think by that last drive the DL was gassed. Even our scoring drive was barely longer than the three and outs. Still the Huskies needed two very ticky-tack PI calls to keep their drive alive and get in the endzone.

I was just surprised we couldn't even put a drive that just ate clock together. Get a couple of first downs and punt them deep. They didn't want to turn it over and let Washington in that way but they still needed to protect the defense. Washington made some sort of change on defense (like they switched the defensive front to take away the inside zone?) that we couldn't find an answer for but we still weren't willing to just run it three times after letting the play-clock run down. The offense both didn't seem aggressive like they were trying to score nor did it seem we were trying to just run the clock. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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yantubos's picture

Tackling was not a problem in the Rose Bowl. The defense was good in the first half and then looked out of position and did not make adjustments in the 4th quarter. It didn't help that the offense did NOTHING in the second half.

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Berg2004's picture

The offense didn’t help much and not sure why we didn’t slant across the middle more or just run the ball. While there were some good hits by White and Sheffield and a few others, I saw a lot of misses from the LBs along with their ball carriers falling forward for extra yardage versus gang tackling or wrapping the legs to prevent it. It was more evident in the second half.

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Huskerbuck's picture

We were consistently poor in both number of and total yardage in penalties all year.  Still can't understand why it was never addressed or at least dealt with. . .  as in showing some improvement. 

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Frimmel's picture

I heard Coach Meyer say he doesn't mind "effort penalties." Aside from the false starts I think a lot of the offsides or PI on the defense isn't berated as badly as we as fans might like because it shows an effort that Coach Meyer wants more than "perfect." 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Interesting that Urban chose to credit Buckeye Nation for not turning on them. That’s proof they don’t spend any time here. There are plenty of boobirds roosting in this aviary.

B1G finished 5-4 with OSU providing the East’s only win.

Not only did Urban win his last game but his protégés went 4-2-1: Tom Herman, Luke Fickell, Dan Mullen, and Doc Holliday won, Kyle Whittinghsm and Charlie Strong lost, and Steve Addazio got cancelled due to lightning.

It’s Ryan Day’s team now. Stand on the strong and sturdy shoulders of those who came before you.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Still salty at Titty Bar Tom though.

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Dillon G's picture

Besides defensive coaches, I think players will be changed too. You can’t tell me Werner contributes more than Hilliard and Browning.

#walkaway

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BuckInNashville's picture

Werner is undersized. They’ll add 15-20 lbs to his frame - he’ll improve.

Borland was probably 80% - you could tell he had no second gear when a ball carrier broke the first level. Sad thing is that we had no one else to take the spot, and a guy coming off an Achilles had to start ? 

Clearly though, they need someone to help instruct shedding of blockers and gap integrity.

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Frimmel's picture

Would really have loved to see the offense just keep the ball and kill the clock when they got it back with around six minutes left. I'd really like to see more ability for the offense to just strangle the game in the fourth with a long slow drive when they have a big lead. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Dillon G's picture

You need 7 linemen on the line, a blocking fullback (or Evan Spencer) and good linemen to run Dave.

#walkaway

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Frimmel's picture

Good point but I think the offense is now much more geared to "chunks or nothing." Grinding drives just didn't seem to be in the play-scripts this season. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Cybjulie's picture

The passing of the whistle, the teams reaction, and that smile on Ryan Day’s face!!! Great reaction from the team and great speech. It is going to be challenging making this team his own, with Coach Meyer in an office nearby... But please evaluate and get the right staff in there. Some of these “friends and family” must go. Make it your own and you be you!!! Obviously you start with a locker room of guys you know. Best of luck for the next era of Buckeye Football!!!

Cybjulie

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TMac's picture

Go BUCKS!

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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DCDDC's picture

Pretty good fodder for play off expansion conversation TMac.  I say leave it the way it is for at least another decade so we have time to see where it consistantly needs tweeking.  Way out the pros and cons better.  Just Sayin....

m GO BLOW!!!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Thing is if there were eight, at least two teams between 3-8 would’ve won their bowls so expansion actually helps that stat.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Dillon G's picture

TTUN would not have looked as bad if half their defense wasn’t sitting out. And a 4th round running back.

#walkaway

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DCDDC's picture

Weigh not way.  dar dar

m GO BLOW!!!

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Kyson12's picture

I like where we are next year all around if we can find some good young and different linebackers except Harrison. He is a stud. Can’t believe Urban is done. Seems like he’s still young and vibrant. Will there ever be a better recruiter at OSU?

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LunchMeat's picture

I honestly believe Haskins should come back. Given his ability to throw the ball the draft is always going to be there. I doubt there’s much he can do to hurt his draft stock by playing another year.

i do think staying another year could make a huge difference in his preparedness and longevity of his NFL career. Thé NFL isn’t really a good place for a QB to hone their craft. It’s a big jump in talent and QB is the toughest position. 

I fear if he walks this year he’s running a high chance of getting shell shocked. I also think he’s not going to be drafted as high as people are saying. Plus if he comes back and plays he’s going to be drafted higher and have a much better platform for long term success in the NFL.

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TkeBuck's picture

i went to iowa 2017 purdue 2018...i just can't understand how an elite program ever...ever takes it in the ass like that. show me a playoff calibre team that's been bitch slapped by such huge margins. baffling is an understatement. there has to be a cure. hope day can figure it out. go bucks!

klusewski

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LunchMeat's picture

Most important, he’s 20 something years old in college having fun. He’s king of the campus. If he comes back and handles his business it will probably be one of the best years of his life when it’s all said and done.

And that’s priceless;)

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bux_booster's picture

There were at least two plays where our defense had only ten players on the field and I don't get what exactly happened when we had a hockey-like line change that the zebras supported by holding up the Huskies snap for us.  Peterson went nuts.  Why did they hold things up for us?

I am grateful to Schiano and do think that execution was lacking this year, but if he goes, who would Ryan want to bring in his place?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

If Schiano goes, presumably Grinch takes over; if Grinch bolts to Oklahoma, Schiano may end up staying. Ryan Day has some decisions to make in the next week or so, although some of them could be made for him.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Frimmel's picture

I think a Husky player or players started to go on the field or went onto the field then was called back when OSU then tried to change the entire line. The ref got in Peterson's face pretty good over it and was pointing at someone on the sideline. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Dstacify's picture

I don't think Arnette's draft stock will be incredibly high at all but he's better off leaving IMO. As we saw last night Okudah is starting to emerge and is primed to take Arnette's job if he does return next season.

11 Strong.

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Boom777's picture

I have no dog in the fight but Martell seems like he’s worried

Wherever you are, there you be!

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MindSurfr's picture

On the Burrow interception, I was watching that and didn't have the sound on so I don't know what happened but from what I can tell, that should be a block in the back which nullifies the pick 6. plus that by rule is a hit on a defenseless player... where by rule i believe is what a qb is in that instance cause he was not actively making a play standing there (and qb are defenseless players immediately after turnover.) there appeared to be a head shot too so targeting by multiple definitions... 

why was there no actual penalties on that?

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