The Rose will out draw both
Hopefully we’re up so much in the first half the ratings suffer.
Not watching NC game. No interest
No offense. I'm glad we aren't in the playoff. no one is beating Alabama this year. Much rather not get our ass kicked like Doomers did
You dont know that. OU played with Bama with a much worse D than we have. Its sad and pathetic that some of you say that you wished OSU missed the playoffs. You got your wish. Now go turn in your fan card you big baby.
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No one could possibly beat Miami in 2002 and I will go to my grave thankful that the Buckeyes didn't make the BCS championship game that year. I mean, how embarrassing would it have been for us to get spanked like Nebraska did the year before?
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Osu played in that game and won.
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They played Miami in January of 2003, though..
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You post once in 6 months to share THAT gutless idea with us? Don't bother.
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OSU Bama averaged 28M and the peak of Bama Oklahoma didn't even hit 21M..... that's crazy!!!
How many people live in Norman and in Oklahoma?
How many live in Columbus and in Ohio?
Bad comparison IMO.
the comparison is the game... round 1 of the playoffs.. the Oregon/FSU game the same year drew just as many fans..
People didn't watch last night...
The playoff is becoming stale, same teams. No real excitement. No drama. Ratings will continue to fall until they give in and make it a true playoff. The bowl setup is failing more and more each year. Less players playing. More open seats.
March Madness has the blue print all they have to do is cash it in.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
No, Jay. Ratings will fall until other teams sack up, make it to the playoffs, and beat these fuckers. Until then, declining interest will continue.
People try. The committee fails to reward them. For instance, UCF beat Auburn last year while playing arguably one of their worst games all year. I wonder what would have happened if they played Alabama? What about Ohio State this year? Instead they record teams with pedestrian schedules all because of their record.
The system is deeply flawed and will remain flawed until the committee is more transparent with their intentions. Release a short list of criteria that ranks are based upon and stick to it. Make the selection for ranks live so we see how they work. Force the FBS to adopt a common schedule format and conference format.
Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"
First year was also on January 1st, not December 29th. The highest ratings have been on January 1st. Again, apples and oranges.
Every bowl’s attendance has been dropping. Not just the playoff.
Time to teach them a lesson & don't tune into the chip game. go else ware and watch.
I get the feeling this is what will happen anyways. This game is going to have very limited appeal.
People said that last year and the ratings were great. Everyone wants other people to boycott so they can still watch.
Go watch at a sports bar, or a friends house. So as not to boost the ratings.
just go to https://old.reddit.com/r/cfbstreams
I'm not going to boycott ... I just don't care who wins between Alabama and Clemson.
Maybe if that Forrest Gump guy was still returning punts ...
People will watch, including Buckeye fans. Columbus ranked in the top seven markets for both semi-final games. In fact, more homes in Columbus (179,700 sets tuned in) watched Alabama-Oklahoma than in Tulsa (160,200).
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Well, in Alabama it’s football or the local wrestling show so....
While Ohio has cornhole. Seriously, cornhole.
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Yep, no interest. Boring
That's what happens when you put in an untested Notre Dame team and an Oklahoma team that had zero defense. We're talking about the team with THE worst red zone defense in college football. I'm not saying Ohio State would have beaten Alabama, but they certainly would have put up a better fight (and more points).
Haskins and his WRs would’ve shredded that secondary. Day would’ve gone after surtain all night like he did with that poor soul on TTUN. Not sure the Buckeye d would’ve had any answers for tua and his rpo, but I like the front 4s chances of getting a stop here or there.
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Southern Invitational draws low ratings, SEC and ACC commissioners at a loss for reasons why.
I think Kirk herbstreit downvoted you
Yet ESPN is selling "Alabama vs Clemson is great for College Football!"
While everyone else agrees it's time to expand the playoffs.
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I'm not sure expanding the playoff this year would change the resulting final matchup.
Exactly - we’re not sure what could have happened with an 8 team playoff. I am sure this playoff is boring and tiresome.
I don't know. Clemson is blah. They played well last night obviously but they literally played no one else all year. It's looking to become a you win out, you're in type thing which for 4 teams is not a good thing.
We saw an untested ND team get smoked by an untested Clemson team.
The only team to get tested was Bama and that was against a team with a horrible defense and all things considered for them 45 points isnt bad.
an 8 team play off would give you more variation and more chance, like every other playoff system. I honestly wasnt a fan of expanding the playoffs but after watching ND get shit kicked, I really believe UGA and Ohio St would have given Clemson a better shot, at the very minimum.
Who knows, but an 8 team playoff with first round home games would result in:
UCF @ Bama
TUN @ Clemson
OSU @ ND
UGA @ Oklahoma
which then leads to a final four. There's bound to be some good games and the semifinalists that face Clemson and Bama are more battle tested, thus a better chance of getting a Giants vs. GOAT undefeated Patriots style endings. I'm struggling to find the down side.
I wouldn't go more than 6... All power five champions plus the highest rated non-champion unless a group of five champion is undefeated. No independent teams allowed.
Group of five champion or the highest rated non champion is always the 6th seed. First two seeds get a BYE, the first round is on the higher seed campus. All conferences have no more than 2 OOC games and all games must be vs a power five or group of five team.
The committee would be abolished and the old BCS rank would be used to determine the highest rated non champion if there isn't an undefeated group of five team.
This year it would have been,
(6) UCF @ (3) Oklahoma
(5) Washington @ (4) Ohio State
(1) Alabama vs (4)/(5) Winner
(2) Clemson vs (3)/(6) Winner
I have no idea why you think it will ever go to six
There is absolutely no reason to have six teams
Not only can teams play the same number of games as if it was an eight team playoff but it just doest make any fucking sense.
8 teams. Power 5 conference winners are in automatically. Either three wild cards or the highest ranked G5 and two wild cards.
The home game for the top seeds in the quarterfinal would be a nice addition
Because 4-6 is pushing who belong in the national championship hunt, 7-8 never belong.
there can be some shitty conference champs though. I think whether it is 6 or 8. I think in light of preventing 5 loss Northwestern, for example, from getting in there, a caveat about conference champs ranked in the top 12 or 15 or something like this to act as a filter for when a weak division pulls the CCG upset.
I use to think that way and thought a ranking caveat was needed for conference champs, but now I think a conf champ should go period. Even if that meant NW or Pitt this year. I actually think it will add intrigue to the regular season if people were interested in who will win the PAC 12 south, Big Ten west, or ACC (whatever division Clemson in) and a chance for a playoff spot. I use to think that having more teams in would dilute the regular season and that ever game was a playoff game, but that is only true for some teams.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that point. For one, if the issue is ratings, I just can't imagine a Pitt vs. Bama matchup that does better than Oklahoma vs. Bama.
Yet ESPN is selling "Alabama vs Clemson is great for College Football!"
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
The article referred to it as the "best rivalry in the sport."
I just hope that the broadcast will be about The Rose Bowl - the tradition, the teams, the players and the fans. I don’t need to listen to some infomercial about Alabama and Clemson and Georgia and “Who’s In?” with Fowler and Herbie shitting all over tradition. I’d love to find another audio source, but with streaming and delays, I think there will be syncing issues. Just be about the game. You have 364 other days where you can screw up college football - let Jan 1 do its own thing.
i have to drink every time Herbie says “dialed in” or “pin their ears back” ????
i enjoyed watching the coaches broadcast on ESPNNEWS last night. Wish had a bigger screen with the game though. Way better alternative than listening to the usual Herbie blah blah blah.
Or "the receiver high pointed the ball" as if there was any other way to catch a ball.
Maybe Dobbins will get tired. Michigan Man, 11-30-2019
If we get ahead big they'll do the same thing... tradition out the window.. and it will turn into "the committee got it wrong"... "wouldn't you love to see Georgia and Ohio State play"... yada yada yada.. and you can bet money it will be about who the QB will be next year....
Fully expect there to be very little rose bowl tradition...
You are correct sir. Maybe I'll just turn down the sound and listen to Mr. Paul Keels.
Off topic but still on topic. Did anyone else notice there was nothing said about Clemson players who were literally taking PEDs and pissed hot? Not a damn word...
Because Clemson is good for college football according to ESPN.
But seriously you’re right.
1) It wasn’t just one player. It was multiple players.
and 2) if it was OSU, every media outlet would have wall to wall coverage for days about it
Exactly. Dabo and Clemson are the new holy land. Despite multiple Clemson players doing dirty shit during games and these dudes taking PED's.... and blaming it on energy drinks and hair gel.
C'mon man, it's not like they traded their gold pants for tattoos or anything serious like that, it's just PEDs.
Ya. You're right. Selling gear is definitely worse than PED's... wait... no... Selling OHIO ST gear is worse than PED's. If anyone else does it, it's cool (Here's looking at you Johnny Football!).
Did you know only 17 were tested and 3 were positive? Seriously 3 out of 17! With those odds you would think they would test everyone on the team but nope, Bama had 3 players suspended too but no word on why? Seems maybe they got tested too...just some fuel to the fire
Joeb69, where did you hear it was only 17 tested. If that number is true, that would be 17.6% of those tested came up dirty. That’s not an energy drink or some hair gel, that’s a juicing program.
yes interesting I would like to see his source?
Never forget how we got screwed in 98
their AD actually said 18-19 were randomly selected from a list of the entire roster. He tested .02% which is very high amount
If you tested every CFB program I would figure you qpud would get 10-20%. That doesnt seem that high for high profile program IMO.
Each program that goes to the CCGs get tested, correct? And those that go to bowl games get tested. That makes me wonder when kids sit out. Peppers never actually played in a bowl game, then was flagged for potential masking agents prior to the NFL draft.
It’s funny, Bama had three players likely test positive as well, but they are smarter than to be like Dabo and deny it. They just stay quiet and it’s a nonstory.
And I'd bet the majority of high school players are taking HGH.
I didnt know that. If that is true and they had that many positive tests, the NCAA should have tested the whole team.
I'd be willing to bet the Clemson players were taking SARMS. That would explain the Ostarine being in their system. SARMS is a really gray area, lot of body builders and power lifters use it
Are SARMS approved by the NCAA? If not, it’s an obvious attempt by Clemson to cheat. I just looked up SARMS, not approved by the FDA, NCAA, or the WADA. Yep, they are cheating.
PEDs have been a part of football since the mid 60s. Are people just starting to figure this out?
Baseball players and cyclists cheat too. Even track athletes. I don't see why people are making a big deal out of this.
They were at the NAIA Division 2 university I played at during the early 90's, lol. Probably only 5 out of the 100 players, though
Because they got caught? You know the rules. You know what you're getting into when you decide to use PED's. There are still rules against it and it's still an unfair advantage. Sure lots of guys use em but lots of guys don't.
In all fairness they mentioned Dexter Lawrence being out but they almost made it sound like he was just injured not that he was caught cycling down from his roids. They spoke about how great of a kid he is and all his great leadership qualities, not that he was on the juice.
By gosh the forum "If You Want Change: Remember to NOT Watch Playoffs Today" worked! We did it!
Drop the balloons boys; we're in next year!!!
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This needs to happen every season not just this year in order to exact any real change. The CFP ratings last year were actually great, mostly because all the matchups were much better.
With Oklahoma-Georgia and the all-SEC championship (Alabama-Georgia) game going into overtime, those were two great matchups. Of course, some are still bitter that Alabama got in over tOSU in the 2017 playoffs and then there was undefeated UCF that year. And I have to agree, if the CFP ratings keep going down for every future CFP season until 2025 (when the contract expires), then a change definitely needs to happen.
Looking forward to the CFP championship game tanking in ratings too.
‘Bama - Clemson, Friday the 13th, Part IV’.
Fuck ESPN. And I did my part and didn't watch. The whole system is a joke. And before anyone bashes, I'm not talking about our Buckeyes getting in.
Just saw an article on ESPN on how the rematch of Clemson and Bama for the 683639594th time is great for college football. ESPN can go suck on a collective bag of lemons.
I’m with you. I mean.... I liked “We Are the World” the first 500 times I heard it .... but damn!
Go Buckeyes! Win the game AND know the reason why. Ohio!
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People want to watch a playoff game not an ACC Championship game. Committee needs to change and ND needs to join a conference.
That’s what they get for not putting us in the playoff!!!!
Price they pay when no Buckeyes are in the hunt......
I'm sure the ratings will be just fine for the championship game ... but I won't watch much if any of it.
Pac12 and Big10 markets left out of the race for the championship, that's a lot of disinterested eyeballs, imo.
That's a good 100 million people. 1/3 of the country...
Yeah, 2 years in a row....ta boot. throw in there the UCF fans and alumni(UCF a large university, not necessarily a rabid fan base). That's quite a time for viewing fandom and tradition to start with the ever evolving media consumption market.
Only soo many times hearing about Bama and Clemson gets me excited, and I'm a rabid cfb fan.
Let the ratings “be fine.” I won’t watch. Haven’t watched a full playoff game since Oklahoma-Georgia last year. Once Georgia won in the “Rose Bowl” game (barf) I knew I’d have something better to watch over the title game. The PAC and B1G need to come up with an alternative for this ESECPN bullshit that people are being fed. Maybe get The Big 12 to join and we may have something.
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We cut the cord and can’t watch locally.
Good. Fuck 'em. Its obvious neither ND nor OU belonged there. Ohio State is about to administer a God like beatdown of Washington and lay bare all of the CFP committee's terrible flaws. This was the worst committee of the playoff era and none of the members should ever serve in that role again.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Fuck it let these bowls offer teams money directly for matchups. Come suck off the teet.
Having 2 out of 5 power conference and a legit top 15, undefeated UCF left out is a shame.....and it's not just this year...its a repeat of last year, to an extent....instead of 2 SEC teams, we get two ACC teams.
Big 10 and Pac 12 fans... plus fans of an undefeated underdog, have been told 2 years in a row, they dont mater, so why would they expect us to watch? so we can hear ESPN to tell us how great Alabama is, ad nauseam . Alabama is great, but it's just not a fully represented playoff system.
Weird how the 2 conferences that have gotten 2 teams into the playoff in back to back years also just happen to be the 2 conferences in partnership for their conference network with the network who carries the playoff. Also, the 2 conferences who have been left out the last 2 years? Their conference networks are with a direct competitor to the network that carries the playoff. Real fucking weird.
NFL should follow the CFB model....play the season out. Have teams accomplish their goals, win their conference(division in the NFL), then, this year for instance, to tell Eagles, Cowboys, Colts, Baltimore, Chicago, San Diego, Texans and Seattle that they aren't in the playoffs because everyone knows New Orleans/Rams and Kansas City/New England are the best teams anyways.....sounds fun
No, your scenario should be Saints/Rams/Chiefs and Chargers (even though they didn’t win their division) are better.
Somewhere out there, Rece Davis and Chris Fowler have their noses about 45k feet in the air coming up with reasons for why everyone else on the planet is wrong.
Expanding the playoff will actually help. How cool would it have been if Oklahoma or Notre Dame had made it a game? It’s fun to see the game played on the field and not in the polls...or committee decision. Conference champs and a few at large teams? 8 team playoff sounds good!
I agree. Adding teams would make the playoffs more enjoyable. So what if Alabama and Clemson would've trounced Michigan and UCF? They did that to Oklahoma and Notre Dame, anyway, so what difference does it make? It's the other two games--UGA @ Oklahoma and OSU @ Notre Dame--that would've added interest and more intriguing matchups. And the two winners would be battle-tested for their next game. Four more teams would make it less of a farse than it already is, not more of one.
Yeah, what was better? the 15 minutes of John McLane vs Hans Gruber, or the the entire movie of Die Hard? Sure the last 10 minutes of the movie told us what we needed to know, but the entire film, built from the beginning was/is so much hetter.
Same with Pedator, the last fifteen minutes of Arnold vs Alien was classic, but who forgets Jesse Ventura, the girl who went to the chops, and Carl Weathers
Problem is, the people (not saying either of you) who want an 8 team playoff for the sake of MOAR are the same people who want weaker OOC scheduling to stick it to the CFP committee who penalizes losses more than rewarding wins.
If you want more better football, how about start by asking for better OOC games--demanding the committee emphasize that?
The idea of diminishing the best regular season in sports for the illusion of competition during the postseason is asinine.
By in large, we already have the thing we want, but we also want it as a crescendo, rather than interspersed throughout the season. But there are to many teams in CFB. That's why our first responsibility is to enjoy conference play, and appreciate that championship most of all.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
I want.less OOC cupcakes. I'd love to see OSU play 2 Power 5 teams in OOC. Yearly game against Kentucky or WVU and another traditionally top 20 team.
Buckeyes, when i was first a fan, played Boston college, Pitt, USC, OOC. Steel sharpens steel
I agree that it makes for a more compelling game, and that steel sharpens steel -- no doubt, John. But you do realize that as we schedule the teams you describe, Alabama continues to schedule The Citadel and Clemson is scheduling Coastal Carolina....so we are at risk for a loss and they aren't....right?
In my opinion, the biggest problem with the post-season format as it currently exists is the lack of conformity across the board--e.g., SEC and ACC only playing eight conference games, allowing P5 teams to schedule FCS cupcakes, Notre Dame not being required to win a conference--that gives advantages to selected conferences and, by extension, their best teams. It's not a level playing field from the beginning. Maybe Alabama and Clemson are the best teams but maybe it's not an accident they get as far as they do because their path isn't nearly as hazardous--compare the risk of Alabama playing Arkansas State, Louisiana-Lafayette or The Citadel--which were conveniently intervaled as Alabama's 2nd, 5th and 11th games and right before SEC West matchups--versus a game against Florida, Kentucky or Georgia. Make them play that ninth conference game every year and it raises the odds of them having a massive mind fart like we did against Iowa and Purdue.
Not to mention, Bama has had the benefit of their protected crossover game being Tennessee. I know things are cyclical, but they don't even get the best teams from the East that often during the regular season. Compare that to the B1G that is intent on scheduling premier matchups as often as possible.
Les Miles complained about this before he left, because he had Florida every season while at LSU.
OSU would have waxed ND. ND = TTUN (actually probably slightly worse).
The ratings are higher when the games fall on January 1st.
Watched Maybe a quarter total of both games. Blowouts by two teams I hate doesn't entertain me.
Ratings will be worse one week from tonight. Lots of Notre Dame fans around the country and legitimate interest in the 'Bama/OU match up drove what ratings there were for the semis. 'Bama v. Clemson will draw the Southeastern market but that is it. Elsewhere around the country, NCG ratings will be a disaster.
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Bama vs Clemson IV on a Monday night will be abysmal outside of Alabama and SC.
You win with people
It would have been interesting to see where the final numbers would have ended up if Bama didn't do their business partner ESPN a favor and let off the gas when up 28-0.
It's going to be VERY interesting to see how the Rose Bowl does against these playoff games....
ESPN loves to play up the line "If we decided the field for ratings, OSU would easily be in" but they were in full smear campaign all season long. The idea they don't influence the field is laughable, the committee isn't holing up to watch hundreds of hours of games in a sterile environment. ESPN banged the drum for anyone over OSU all year long and that's what they got.
I am not interested in watching Clemson and Alabama for the 3rd year in a row. I am not surprised at the low ratings for the playoffs. Let's see how many eyeballs the National Championship draws in.
Two seconds after the game, ESPN will pronounce Alabama and Clemson as the favorites to return to the championship again next year. Once again laying the foundation argument to hand them a favorable ranking to start the year; one that they can hold on to while enjoying a light schedule and the luxury of a "quality loss" during the year. Rinse and repeat.
Not terribly surprised ratings were down. Most people don't care who wins a college national championship. The only reason the NCAA basketball tournament is popular is because of all the betting pools that draw in tons of people who otherwise never watch a college basketball game. If your not a fan of one of the teams playing in the football playoff what's the draw? When you factor in the same teams playing year after year it becomes even less interesting to casual fans.
I like having the 4 game playoff sysem. If they extend it to 6, 8, it will go to 16. I am surprised that the NCAA hasnt extended the playoffs to 8 teams. They like the money. I do believe that we could have given a better game to Clemson or Alabama. I do wish they could make a ruling of a conference Championship means more than a 12-0 Independent. I am sick of the ND hype that they are above everybody else because they are ND. I think they should get in a power 5 conference like the rest of us. If you really want to get upset what about the UCF fan. They have gone 2 years with out a loss and they give ND the hype. I realize they do not play in a power 5 conference but, they deserved it if ND did...just saying. Go Bucks beat Washington!!
They seriously need to start going with an 8 team playoff. First round should be at the home stadium of the top 4 teams and then the second round should be traditional bowl games Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange. The teams that would get in would be winners of power 5 conferences and then the other three most deserving teams picked by a committee. Shorten the regular season by one game and put all 4 games of the first round on one day. 12 pm, 2:30, 4:30, 8 pm or something like that.
Hoping ESPN’s committee shit on Notre Dame and Oklahoma for its embarrassment, like it has on Ohio State since 2016 for sucking. Funny how the best two Ohio State teams (2015 and 2018) have been left out, but 2016 got in - pretty obvious their ‘criteria’ is moronic.
I’ve had enough of the playoffs. Go back to 2 or expand to 8. And get rid of the committee - it’s ruined college football. I have no interest in teams/coaches/idiot commentators campaigning all season. Play the game and shut up. Use a BCS formula. The committee itself adds no interest and instead is taking away from college football
Honestly, no matter how you want to cut it, it is Ohio St's fault we werent in the playoff. Whether it was the Purdue or the Iowa loss, both of them kept us out because we got blown out. We lose by 3,7,10, etc we're in.... but we didnt. That's just what it is.
The Committee didn't ruin football. It's literally picked the same teams the BCS would have 99% of the time. Whether the committee is there or not, there is always campaigning all year. That's what the media does.