You high man?
No I wasn’t. OU’s CFP record speaks for itself. Will the Committee finally listen? As the Wallflowers song goes - -
“The only difference that I see
Is you are exactly the same as you used to be”
“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman
The Wallflowers suck.
Well imagine having that lousy song stuck in your brain all last night.
Are you suggesting that they ban them regardless of their record? They were a one-loss conference champ that avenged their only loss. Truth be known they probably played Bama as close as anyone else would have. To say that they can't be in any longer because of 0-3 is like saying OSU can't be in because of 31-0. What has happened in the past is the past. They may get a D-Coordinator in there and be world beaters in a couple years. Every year should stand on its own.
OK, maybe a bit of hyberbole or the Jefferson's Reserve talking last night after watching two bad games, but let's not fool ourselves and believe that every year stands on its own for every team. Based on their recent history, I don't think anyone can argue that Bama and Clemson will get the benefit of the doubt based on their history, not just their performance in a particular season. Just compare 2015 and 2017 (tOSU in 2015, no benefit, to Bama AND Clemson in 2017, benefit). My point is if it matters that tOSU has suffered blow out losses in 2016, 2017, and 2018, then it should also matter that Oklahoma is now 0-3 in the CFP or that Notre Dame is 0-6 under Kelly in BCS/NY6/CFP bowls. I've heard it stated that "we know what we're going to get with Bama and Clemson." Well, we also know what we're going to get with Oklahoma and Notre Dame.
Before the game started the announcer stated Oklahoma was not a good post season team and none of their Heisman have won a championship, essentially dooming them.
NY6 bowl record 5–7
Bowl record 29–21–1 (.578)
CFP record 0–2
Im not saying 58 percent is bad, thats what the announcer said, maybe he was referring to the NY6 bowls.
Yup. He high.
Oklahoma is never going to taste victory in the CFP as long as they continue to suck on defense the way they do. It's been a long-lasting problem with them that they've refused to address by sticking with Mike Stoops as DC for so long. Maybe Riley finally addresses it this off-season but he's an offensive-minded HC so who knows.
He fired mike stoops mid-season...
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
He did. And the defense didn't get any better after he did that. Firing Mike Stoops was just step 1 (and was long overdue anyways, Bob Stoops just wouldn't do it when he was HC). Riley needs to go out and hiring a DC with a proven track record to help turn things around on that side of the ball.
That's why Riley is making a run at Alex Grinch for DC.
We'll see if that happens. I could see Grinch maybe taking that job if Schiano returns for 2019. If Schiano's gone I think it's safe to say Grinch is staying put (he is from Ohio after all). If they were to both leave somehow Day had better start courting Marcus Freeman ASAP otherwise we're down a DC (and no, don't even think about suggesting Bill Davis for DC lol).
I don’t know if anything is definite on the defensive side. I get the impression that Grinch was brought in because Schiano was all but gone to Tennessee last year. I don’t know if he was THE guy, or A guy. I don’t think all the issues this year were on Schiano, although I believe he’s the one who needs to take the fall. Ryan might very well jettison both and go in a new direction.
Day has a good relationship with Schiano so I doubt he jettisons him. Only way Schiano likely leaves is if he's offered a HC job. If they do elect to go a whole new direction at DC without Schiano or Grinch being involved though Freeman should be their top priority.
As far as nothing being definitive on the defensive side I think it's pretty definitive that LJ is staying. If Day were to jettison him out of the blue I'd immediately be calling for his head as HC.
For fucks sake. Let’s stop losing by 29 points to fucking Purdue. Then it won’t matter at all what UofO’s record in the CFP is.
We lost to 6-6 Virginia tech the same year we beat Bama and Oregon. Our loss vs Purdue IS NOT a good reason why we were left out of the playoffs, it was a convenient reason for the committee. They dropped the ball once again, so F em.
In 2014 there weren’t 3 undefeated teams and a one loss conference champion who lost by 3 points to their rival.
My point is a bad loss doesn't affect your ability to beat good teams. The committee got it flat wrong and if you look all over social media, people are saying Georgia and OSU were better teams to be added into the CFP, and they were right. Forget who is the most deserving, the point of a 4 team playoff was to get the 4 best teams into the CFP, and it hasn't happened. Better bump it up to 8 teams so teams like UGA and OSU this year have a shot. Until then, you're going to continue to have shitty, controversial semi final matchups that don't put the best teams against each other, but instead put the 4 'most deserving' teams that some random committee comes up with. It's absolutely frustrating for college football fans.
Georgia doesn’t even have a fucking argument. You lose your biggest two games you aren’t making the playoff. Sorry. Notre Dame got fucking smacked but they played 12 FBS games prior to that and won all of them. Should we not value winning all your games anymore? Outside of a horrendous 1st quarter UofO was hanging around with Bama. If your step outside of OSU twitter it’s not that bad. Beat Purdue
I'm still amazed that they even talk about Georgia. Hell their best win was a loss to Alabama.
Yeah I'm not really feeling this 4 team CFP system anymore. There's too much variance year to year and I feel like one team almost always makes it that doesn't belong (at the expense of a different team that could have actually made waves). I know people will be like "but where's the limit? someone will always complain" For me it's 8 teams.
How do you say that some of the teams are always terrible and beg for on-average worse teams to be included?
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
I'm not really sure there's much of a difference between 3,4,5,6 this year. 7 and 8 are unlikely to win their games but that's fine. A reward for getting #1 or #2 seed then.
Not wasting time with clearly-not-number-1s by keeping it to 4 teams is their reward.
If it was isolated, that would be one thing. But it was paired with Nebraska and Maryland and Minnesota, with a clear reluctance to make defensive fixes. Plus, it would have been one thing of it was a 17 point loss. But 29? To a team that got blown out throughout the remainder of its season? Nah. Disqualified--and least from your ability to complain about it. The idea isn't to hunt for an also-ran.
"The idea isn't to hunt for an also-ran." That should be the idea but it wasn't when the Irish were included. They should be penalized for not having a conference championship game. They were objectively, clearly not one of the four best teams and to your point, had ZERO chance of being other than an also ran. Saying that one bad loss should disqualify a team that actually could win gives you a "playoff" that is anything but.
-Buckslan.....I can not believe the DV's you are getting for your logical statement. Shows how many people in this world have no logic or reason behind their thinking.
Buckslan, did VaTech beat OSU at mid-season? Did VaTech score 7 TDs against OSU? Did VaTech score 55 points against OSU?
It's one thing for a green team to lose by 14 at the start of the season with an inexperienced QB. It's another thing to lose with a Heisman candidate in conference play by 4 TDs!
And no, I didn't give you a DV for you opinion.
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What is this? What nonsense insinuating Ohio State needs to uphold its end of the bargain. Ohio State is the default: the opportunity is Brutus's so long as any historical or ahistorical defect can be identified in any alternate team. This should be known!
Ohio State should have an automatic bid to the playoffs every year. Our fans could spin zone why we should be in no matter what. Actually quite impressive
Only until we beat Michigan. Up to that point, many if not most, thought we had no business being in the playoffs, or even given half a chance to beat Michigan. Amazing what one game can do.
Indeed GB... after the Purdue and Maryland games it was fairly evident we would be outside looking in on the 4 team playoff this year.
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
FFS, when will winless in the CFP be noticed!?
Look, I hear you, but the Bucks pissed away their chances the last two seasons.. Win those games or even lose by a respectable margin and they would have been in.. That along with The B1G needing to go back to eight conference games, and pick up an FCS foe on the schedule. The committee obviously doesn’t care if you play only eight conference games, nor do they hold a W over an FCS school against you..
Pigskins & Porkrinds
Ohhhhhhhhhh, you mean like in 2015 when the LOADED OSU defending National Champs with everyone back lost as time expired to MSU on a field goal in the rain and the Committee LEFT THEM OUT of the Playoff -- there will never, ever, ever be a better team that was left out of the Playoff then that team!! -- total crime.
Yep and Sparty got in.. May have been a year for the B1G to get two playoff teams, but the committee wasn't going to at that point in the playoffs. Nor was the committee going to put in a non conference champ after they kept the Big 12 out the prior year-using their lack of a conference championship as a separating factor..
The only time conference pride matters is regular season where the B1G shits the bed. Michigan beats ND we are in, or if you don't lose to 6-6 teams by 30 you are in.
F'in scUM could have got us in back in '15 without its miraculous loss to MSU, and again screw us this year by losing to ND.
Championship teams shouldn't need help from other teams, and by the way screw michigan. May they lose every game.
In '15 we shouldn't have gotten dumped by sparty... in '17 we shouldn't have been steamrolled by Iowa... and this year we shouldn't have been curb-stomped by a hapless Purdue team. Champions don't let that happen, especially in the 2nd half of the season.
We lost on a last second FG in 2015, hardly getting dumped. Sparty actually qualified for the playoffs, unlike the team that beat the defending champs last season when the SEC got a second spot in the playoffs. So much for getting the 4 best teams.
Watching the games today it was apparent that Notre Dame was the worst of the four. OU put up a fight after digging a 28-0 hole. It's unfortunate that ND went undefeated because it messed everything up.
But according to committee's rankings Georgia would've gotten in over us. Which is absolute garbage, I don't care if we lost by 29 to Purdue.
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I wonder though if ND was not in the mix, would the committee have chosen Georgia over OSU? The final ranking before bowls suggest this. That would have been an outright travesty.
No, they wouldn't have. They believe Georgia is a top 5 team, but did not believe Bulldogs deserved another chance. Georgia was capped at #5. OSU would have been in over them.
OKLAHOMA HAD NO BUSINESS BEING IN THE CFB PLAYOFF -- everyone wants to crucify OSU for ONE bad game -- Oklahoma AVERAGED giving up over 50 points -- 50 POINTS to their last 5 opponents, but they get rewarded for that!?
I was actually rooting for Notre Dame to get destroyed and not because I thought they were overrated. I thinks it’s important to remember that they are a regional recruiting threat to us. Brian Kelly has always been one game away from putting Notre Dame on top. We don’t need him going into Ohio high schools with a national championship trophy. It stings to realize that Ohio State got screwed, but Notre Dame getting demolished is good for us. We remain the King in the North.
The committee has always sucked ass with its inconsistent standards. A bunch of hard core college football fans could meet one time at the end of the year at a bar after the conference title games and pick the 4 best teams and do a better job than the committee with its overpaid members meeting throughout the year and spewing nonsense. Forget 4 deserving teams. What the hell does deserve have to do with it? UCF "deserves" a shot but its not one of the 4 best teams just like anyone knew ND wasn't either. This year it would have been Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Georgia.
Also, why hasn't OU taken any heat for its shortcomings even going back to the days of "big game" Bob?
I agree, the committee is a joke. I think they should use the BCS computer rankings. This will save a lot of money and human resources and be much more objective.
Not disagreeing with your larger point, but can you explain to me what Georgia did to even be mentioned as a playoff team? Sorry, but other than some mythical "eye-test," which is a synonym for "we're just making shit up,"I don't see that they did a single thing to deserve mention.
"You don't win when you're too damned happy, and I like to win"--Woody Hayes
Where exactly is it written that losing a game by a certain amount of points is the decisive criteria for being left out of the playoff?
Therein imo lies the problem. If that is the bar, put it in writing, judge teams accoringly and punish committee members that are "swayed" from applying transparent rules. No more leaving Ohio State out one year for not winning a championship, then leaving them out another year over Bama even though OSU has a championship and Bama failed to attain one. And then out of nowhere deciding that one "bad loss" trumps all other criteria.
Ultimately, I do not care what the criteria are. If we satisfy them great. If not and we are left out, I'm good with that as well. But allowing a group of people to arbitrarily determine and redetermine criteria that suit their agenda? That puts us on a very low level of corruption and lack of accountability. A look around the globe should tell us why we do not want to go there.
"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."
Nah. That criteria is good and important, and ambiguous. Each choice member needs to decide what can be tolerated.
Absolutely. But I don't see it happening with a committee.
Where exactly is it written that losing a game by a certain amount of points is the decisive criteria for being left out of the playoff?
This is the biggest tell that the system is rigged. For a “committee” that is supposed to start each week with a fresh perspective, that is supposed to watch every game, that is supposed to evaluate based on the games themselves, to have a single elimination data point is lazy and dishonest. Of course, the committee does none of what they say. They meet in ESPN offices, they watch Sportscenter to get game highlights, and they are heavily influenced by whatever the talking heads tell them to think.
Remember, OSU “lost” to Virginia Tech for 14 consecutive weeks in 2014, with talking heads passionately argued that OSU was eliminated by that single data point without giving credit for growth or performance. And the only reason we got in was to prove a point to Baylor and TCU, punishing them for their soft schedules and no CCG - the same exact things that got Alabama in last year and Notre Dame this year. The process is a farce, and the “don’t lose to Iowa, don’t lose to Purdue” crowd is just as lazy.
The system is definitely rigged that way...
But you know how you get around that? Don't lose to Iowa and Purdue by 4 touchdowns.
If we'd lost by only two touchdowns, I'm sure we'd be in.
Well, there is a precedence set for that scenario already...
These threads are fun.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
Well, by that logic, hopefully it means we'll never have to worry about ND again.
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There's only one other team that could have possibly beaten Alabama or Clemson last night, and we all know who that is.
I wish the real world would just stop hassling me...
We need to play Citadel 10 times a season... like AlaBaba...
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I hope we don’t change a thing. ESPN has been shapeshifting their rules to do whatever they can do to justify their selections and I have no interest in trying to hit some moving target that will change on a whim. Don’t go to 8 conference games, don’t start adding FCS teams, don’t water down the regular season due to some belief that we’ll get the same pass the SEC gets.
I’d much rather see us put more emphasis on getting marquee matchups early in the season. I hate that it’s become “lose a game, and you’re out” when tough games that show weaknesses early in the season are what turns a young team into champions, like 2014. That means much more than backdooring your way into a two game season.
But for the media driven attack resulting in UFM's suspension, this team plays better this past season. Does that mean we make the Playoffs or even beat Purdue? Can't say but Drake and the maggots took whatever chance we had away. Again, you don't take your head coach(a Great Head Coach) out of sight of his team and staff for the better part of 6 weeks at the formative stages of the team's development and not have it cause damage. So when many of you say Beat Purdue....you might add give this whole team and staff a FULL season together, give them a chance. The Selection Committee gave no recognition to the damage caused because it was not politically correct to do so. It took the whole season to "fix" things but the last 2 games showed what this team could have been. If you believe that suspension did not hurt this team you know nothing about college Div.1 coaching. You hear it from the players when they say what WE went through in the beginning of the season. They kept a stiff upper lip but it could have been worse. Bosa's injury and leaving didn't help things.
So we have hip 50 to a terrible Purdue team because Urban was a sent from preseason practice?
Did that help our team? No. Did it cause our total collapse against a terrible team in the middle of the season? No. Was Urban suspended preseason 2017, when we later gave up 55 to an Iowa offense that struggled against everyone?
Also, our defense gave up 90 points in the last two regular season games, we then struggled with a terrible NW team in the championship game. If you think we were some powerhouse at the end of the season we simply disagree.
Our defense is much more like Oklahoma’s than any of the other contenders for the playoff. Add that to an inability to run the ball, and we would have gotten smacked around by Clemson or Bama.
People claiming the committee got it wrong are correct, in part. If the goal was to get the 4 best Heirgia should have been in, as they are at worst the third best team. It would still have been OSU/OU for #4, and they did not lose to a terrible team by 30.
Our defense was erratic but improved significantly in the last two games. Many of Michigan's points were garbage time and seven were gifted. Our defense is definitely better than OU's. "Inability to rush"? We rushed for 250 against Michigan's vaunted D and may have two 1000 yard rushers if Weber has a big Rose Bowl. We were one of two teams not in the playoff who could win it and a conference champ.
We gave up 51 to a bad MD team in our 11th game.
Michigan scored 15 against Florida yesterday. The NW offense is bad but still managed multiple big plays to keep them around. They lost to Akron and scored 7 against Duke.
Our defense was not much, if any, better at the end of the year than the beginning. It stinks.
I do not agree that we are more likely to win anything than Oklahoma. And we are clearly inferior to Bama, Clemson, and Georgia.
OK, Herbie, what has Georgia shown you that says they are better than us? They haven’t shown up in the fourth quarter in a game that matters in a generation. What makes them not exactly the same as TTUN?
I watched them multiple times. They are a better, more complete team than OSU, with a far better defense. It was a loss, but they competed evenly with Bama, ultimately losing in the final moments. If we are going on 4 best, they are among them. They easily defeated the Florida team that beat Michigan by 4 TDs yesterday.
We are fans of OSU and clearly some of that fanbase are unable to view their team objectively. This was not some dominant team that had a single hiccup. We have a bad defense, literally the worst in school hisotry, that was equally bad in week 1 and week 11. We have a good qb who can pick apart overmatched teams, but our offense sputters against a team that gets any pressure on us, which we did not see much of in the bad Big 10. We could not run the ball against anyone, even teams like Tulane. We struggled repeatedly in the middle and second half of the season, not just Purdue but Nebraska, Minnesota, and MD as well. We had a great day against an vastly overrated UM team (see yesterday), and we all think we are some juggernaut again, despite giving up 39 points. In the last game we played we let a very average NW team push us in the second half with a conference championship and possible playoff berth on the line. I just do not see this team as being some powerhouse or even having that high of the ceiling based on the play this year. The defense stinks. People keep saying things like “we are capable of winning based on our roster.” Maybe, maybe not. But so what? Should we just invite the 4 teams with the most talent based on recruiting rankings without playing any games? All of that supposed talent and we have the worst D in program history, as shown throughout the entire season, against bad teams. Bama and Oklahoma would score on us on every possession. And Clemson would score easily, too, and would stuff our offense. Same with Georgia. The only chance we have against any of those teams is to beat Oklahoma in a total shootout.
Are we better than ND, probably yes. Arewe the best team not in the playoff-not in my estimation. Are we on the same level as Bama or Clemson-no way.
We had a good season. Won the conference, beat our rivals, now on to the Rose Bowl.
Don Brown, like Mattison before him, puts together top defenses because he overwhelms weaker offenses by pummeling them until they quit. It works great against Rutgers and teams with lesser QBs. They get them to quit, and they cruise to victory. Against better talent, however, TTUN starts to run out of gas halfway through the third quarter because they are used to going 100%, even if it drains the tank before the fourth quarter starts. By then, their big time talents are gasses, and the better teams start throwing them around like they’re rag dolls.
I saw the same with Kirby Smart’s team this year. They were tough and fast in the first half, but don’t seem to understand it’s a four quarter game. Hurts looked decent in the fourth quarter, but Georgia was as thin as a paper bag at that point. Guys were dropping, missing tackles, a step behind, they were gassed. They were done.
There are a lot of very good first half teams. There are very few with the stamina to go four full quarters on the big stage. It’s TTUN’s biggest flaw. Georgia is right there with them. If you can’t compete in the fourth, you can’t compete at the top level. We can. Clemson can. I honestly don’t know of any others. Not at this level.
So maybe we just decide which four teams are in the playoff before the season starts? Then we can lose by 30 to Purdue AND Iowa in the same year and still make it!
When is enough, enough? I’ve seen all this before. Can’t wait for the offseason.
i hate the offseason.
There's no points for second place, gentlemen.
It's frustrating but the system needs changed and until it is, that frustration will drive these threads.
I read the title and immediately thought of this...
Thanks for bringing back the memories
Apologies if this sentiment has already been shared.
To me, the golden opportunity The Committee missed was its chance to officially and finally use its influence to force Notre Dame into a conference.
For all the talk about OSU still being punished for its 31-0 loss to Clemson, I (and I'm sure many others) don't want to hear it from ND the next time they run the table as an Independent.
ND losing 30-3 to Clemson could (should) have occurred on 12/1/18. Then, we would have all been spared yesterday's display as a national semi-final.
This is all separate and apart from the "who would have been #4, then!?" argument to follow. My point is, The Committee/CFP/ESPN, etc... had a card to play, here and they chose not to play it.
Next time, play it.
Happy New Year & GO BUCKS!
Losing to Purdue is not the way into the playoffs.
Today is December 30th... 2018...and Ohio State scored again...Fuck scUm...Go Bucks
While I enjoy/respect the opinions, what ifs and whys OSU deserved to be in the Playoffs; win the games you should and the Bucks are in . Plain and simple . Happy New Year to one and all . Go Bucks beat the Huskies !!
THE CFB PLAYOFF SHOULD HAVE BEEN:
4. OSU *(If Bosa had been a team player and came back for the last few games, the Committee would have put us in....)
OP is high. Tom Osborne had a rep as a choke artist before he won a NC 3 out of 4 seasons to end his career. Roy Williams had a horrible rep for spitting the bit in big games at Kansas before going to UNC and winning 3 NCs. Jay Wright had a rep as an underachiever at Villanova before winning 2 out of the last 3 NCs. If a program is going to the playoff consistently, their coach has it going on. Period.
Do you prefer apples or oranges? If you can’t figure that out, you are the one who’s high rocket scientist.
History is a terrible reason to keep a team out, or let a team in. If that were the case, the Buckeyes should never have gotten a shot in 2014 after blowing back to back BCS NCG’s in 2006 and ‘07.
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