I was actually the first person on here to say that Ohio State deserved to be in over Notre Dame based on Ohio State's superior performance against Michigan and Northwestern. Very few people on here seemed to agree with me.
Pretty sure we all felt that way slick!
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I still don't agree with you. They won a bunch of close games but they won. We won a lot of games that way and got into 3 title games under Tressel in the 2000s. I also don't agree that Georgia should have been ranked above us due to their two losses, even though the argument could be made they played better football than we did during the year.
Wins and losses still matter, not just how you do it. I also don't think we didn't deserve to get in two years ago despite our embarrassing loss to Clemson after the fact. OSU and Georgia probably are better teams than ND when they are on, but ND deserved their spot in the game because wins and losses and performance matters more than potential to play at a high level.
They rested for the week that the other teams risked losing and injuries. They were champions of nothing.
So like us in 2016 and Bama in 2017?
Two more failures by the committee.
I hate it but agree. Undefeated trumps, should anyway, anything else. Can't ignore that they play an ACC schedule yet avoid a CCG. By the way, we just saw how that would have turned out .
Scarlett & Gray > Blue and Gold
I agree, and think the NCAA needs to do something about getting ND in a conference and having each conference play the same number of conference games. Taking teams the past two years with 1-loss that didn't play in their conference title game makes it hard to deny a 0-loss Notre Dame IMO. The argument just falls apart. Doesn't mean changes shouldn't be made though.
Actually they don’t, they only play 5 act games. But whatever, they still suck!
They lost the acc championship game tonight. 12-0 nothing - -committee has no balls. Not saying OSU should have been in but they were better as posted by someone else above and so was GA.
Notre Dame did not play a tough schedule. If they want to remain independent then they should not be considered when choosing CFP teams. Power 5 teams only. You say that the fact that ND won a lot of close games shouldn’t matter but that was a reason why we weren’t considered for the fourth spot.
And you would have been the last person on here saying you got it wrong if Notre Dame won. What’s the point?
“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.
Clearly the committee made the right decision here.../s
If they don't join a conference...they need to be delegated to the tier two teams of the world. There is noting special about them that makes them immune from the consequences...
Georgia would not have gotten in over OSU. Because neither team got in they were free to put GA at #5. But no way do they put GA in with 2 losses over a 1 loss conference champ OSU.
Considering I live like 5 minutes from their shit stadium I would have been overjoyed.
The narrative needs to be that we should have figured this out in a conference championship game.
Read my entire screen name....
Notre Dame has no business playing today. Time for reform.
Notre Lame wouldn't be favored against any other top 6 team. Committee gave them a shot and they shit the bed. They go undefeated again without a conference championship no way in hell they get in. They are now 0-6 in Bcs and New Years Six bowls. Buh bye.
Posted the same sentiment in the Skully this morning. Someone questioned whether they should root for or against ND today. I said against. My thought was that ND getting embarrassed today was the best possible outcome for the B10, and mostly the Buckeyes. The shine of ND wore off long ago but every time they show even a hint of being good, everyone gets excited and stupid things happen, like them getting ranked high and the committee putting them in the playoff. This stink will linger, just like the stink of us and MSU getting shut out in the B10’s last two playoff appearances. Welcome to the party ND. You no longer get the benefit of the doubt.
Gene Smith being on the committee guaranteed that they would fuck something up. How that house cat still has a job is beyond me.
Only way to prevent this in the future is to have accountability for the committee. If you screw up the selections this bad: you're fired.
OSU and Georgia and probably 5 other teams would have blown the doors off ND.
Gene Smith is one vote out of 13 on the selection committee. How is ND in the playoffs on him?
Only way to ensure it's right going forward is to take care of your business during the season.
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
Go ahead max give us a few good reasons why gene Smith is a "house cat" as AD...
Lol you have no clue to magnitude and breadth of his responsibilities. As Ohio State AD he's overseen championships from multiple teams and resounding success in the biggest sports and across the board. He's made fantastic hires all around (urban, Ryan, holtmann...). He's maintained top notch facilities. Athletes are graduating at a higher rate than ever before. He's represented the university in a fantastic manner and serves on a multitude of prestigious boards, leading to more goodwill and publicity.
Yet, let me guess, we didn't forego the gator bowl in 2011-2012 and you're convinced now, with 20/20 hindsight, that this is unforgivable and surely you could do a better job.
Lol enjoy a golden age of Ohio State football and (and wrestling, and recently bball, and volleyball, and the list goes on).
It's just an invitational tournament. They say they want the best four teams there, then they say they base this on conference championships or game performance or style points or whatever the hell they decide will impress them in any given year.
At least ND was undefeated this year ... though it wasn't a gauntlet of a schedule.
Success - it's what you do with what you've got. - Woody Hayes
I don't have a problem with ND being there. Although what is happening in the game is pretty much what everybody thought would happen.
Their schedule on paper is probably better than anyone else's in the country. When you schedule, Michigan, USC, VATech, FSU, Stanford, Syracuse and Northwestern that's a tougher schedule than 99% of teams in any year. It's not ND's fault that most of those teams didn't live up to their end of the deal.
Maybe they'll be 2nd guessed next time and passed over unless they join a conference and play in a Championship game.
FSU? The same FSU that missed a bowl game for the first time in 30 something years?
That's a Buckeye touchdown!
He's saying that scheduling a brand name like Florida State is a good sentiment, but they just happened to suck when they played them.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
ND didn't "schedule" FSU any more than it "scheduled" Wake Forest, Pitt, Va Tech or Syracuse--part of its agreement to be a full-fledged member in the ACC's other sports is that it will play five football games against ACC teams every year. Next year, they have BC, Va Tech, Louisville, Duke, and UVA. In 2020, it will be Clemson, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, and Wake Forest. Their five ACC games have been booked through 2031.
So, by that logic Ohio State would never get credit for playing and beating Michigan, Penn State or Michigan State since we don't schedule them since we automatically play them as part of our conference agreement.
Oh, come on. That's nowhere near an accurate interpretation of the point I was making. In fact, your logic is so illogical, I can't follow it. The post I was commenting on implied Notre Dame voluntarily chose to play FSU when that was not the case. Unlike years past when ND got credit for "voluntarily" scheduling 100% of its opponents, including games against traditionally elite teams like FSU, that's not the situation anymore. They don't don't have full control over their schedule the way they used to. They have five games every year that are already booked through 2031. That means that instead of 100% control of who they play, they only have 58%. They didn't choose to play FSU, they were told to play FSU, just as we're told to play Michigan, Penn State, and MSU every year. In that regard, you're right: it's not any different than Ohio State playing the B1G schedule it's given every year.
I can remember all of the times that OSU got the benefit of scheduling someone when they were good - but when they played us - they sucked - and we got penalized for it - not rewarded. (See this year, TCU, See OK 2016, see VT 2014/2015).
Uh... they absolutely got credited for playing Oklahoma in 2016. And they still made the playoff in 2014. I get what you're saying, and it's a big time double standard, but you could've used better examples like the home-and-homes against Cal and Miami.
Notre Dame and Michigan will not win against the big boys until they are smart enough to get their offenses out of the 1980's.
Shhhhhhh. Don’t tell em.
I really think this is an easy problem to fix if everyone is reasonable. So sick of biased opinions. No way to compare. The SEC will never come and play up North so it is really hard to compare style of play and who is actually most deserving.
A six team playoff. Every Power 5 champ +1. The one is Notre Dame or "at large team". Top two teams selected by committee get byes.
1. This makes the conference season more meaningful. 2. you still have you debates for rating purposes (ESPN) for the last spot and you can debate the seeding. 3. Early non-conference games will help determine conference strength which will help decide seeding.
Survivor of Cooper era
I think the issue with this is the bye is a huge advantage and a lot of the time you are going to be picking between 3 or even 4 major conference 1-loss teams and splitting hairs for who deserves that huge advantage. I've always been on board with the 8-team playoff. The top 5 conferences in the power rankings send their conference title game winner. The top team ranked by the committee from all the non power 5 conference also gets to go (excluding ND and independents). Then the top two at large teams as selected by the committee get in (including ND and independents). The committee ranks the teams 1-8 but must flip a 5-8 ranked team one slot if they would be playing a conference opponent in the quarterfinals so that is avoided.
This six-team playoff argument is just not practical. There is no way they're going to give two teams a first round bye. That would be patently unfair for a system and selection process that's supposed to be based on fairness and equity. Eight means everyone plays, everyone assumes the same risk/reward, although the top four would get home field advantage (or they can use lower tier bowls played in larger attendance venues).
I would use the bowl sites and system for the 6 games leading to the title game.
Cotton - Orange- Fiesta - Rose - Sugar - Peach
Six teams still doesn't work. CFB isn't the NFL and it shouldn't try to be. Giving two teams a bye the first round isn't any different than Notre Dame getting in without having to play a 13th game and/or win a conference championship. In both cases, one less game means less risk of losing, which means it's an uneven playing field for the other schools.
I am advocating for 8 teams. 8 teams = 6 games + National Title game. The 6 games should be the 6 major college bowl games in rotation.
Got it. I confused you with the poster who proposed a 6-team playoff. My bad.
The Bye is way to much advantage. This isn t basketball, it's a physical sport and a tough playoff game creates lots of chances for key injuries. 8 teams is perfect.
You could say ND always gets a first round bye now. CCG are current first round.
B1G never plays down south.
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ND should never be let in this until they join a conference. If they were in the ACC we would have already realized they were trash like a month ago
We knew they were trash vs Ball State and Pitt...and Michigan and Northwestern and Vanderbilt...and USC and too bad the Syracuse QB was injured vs them as well.
"Give your dream an aspiration date."
This is the core of the problem. ND effectively is being rewarded for not joining a conference and not having to play a CC game. But then, "do less, get more" seems to be the committee's motto.
"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."
The lack of a conference championship should = +1 loss for ND every year in the committee's eyes until they join one. The worst thing about the institution of the playoff committee in my opinion is that it seems like every year they have made the conference championships less and less meaningful. If the conference championships mean nothing, get rid of them and add a week of playoffs for the top 8 teams.
Why do people keep going on about this playoff thing? The National Championship game is Tuesday in Glendale.
Not even the most important game on Tuesday.
All of us should remember it was not to long ago that our Buckeyes took an ass nesting from the very team that is whooping ND ass.
Many of the same thought and opinions were also said about our team when we played them.
No matter how much I detest Clemson - they have become a team to be reckoned with in the near future.
Just saying - It is sometime best to keep things in perspective.
Lets beat the Huskies!!!!!!!
"To have a great life simply follow this rule: Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."
Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986
Indeed. At least ND has 3 pts more than we did.
Yeah but that 2016 Clemson team was fucking legit... Not to dog this year's team too much. They just aren't on the same level objectively.
Clemson is very overrated.
If you want to forget about 2014 happening where the doors were blown off the other competition then that's on you ;)
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye
Here’s the problem: ND gets in because they are undefeated even though they are not one of the 4 best teams, but Georgia is ahead of OSU because they are just “better.” The committee is not using the same criteria to pick teams even in a given season.
Harbaugh is Michigan, Michigan is Harbaugh. They are together the ultimate con.
I agree. Not just as an OSU fan, but I feel like the playoff committee has gotten worse every consecutive year. You listen to their reasoning during the ranking shows and it just sounds like incoherent blabbing. I get that it's an inexact science, but there have been so many years now where it genuinely doesn't seem like they've gotten the four best teams. That's one of the biggest reasons I feel like 8 would be a good idea: give them more margin for error. You could argue TCU deserved a shot as much as OSU in 2014, that OSU deserved a shot over MSU in 2015, PSU over OSU in 2016, OSU or Georgia over Oklahoma/ND this year, the list goes on. Too much of an exact science to narrow it to 4.
Yeah, but Georgia was the 5 seed so they should have been in
If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.
In all honesty, Ohio St and Georgia were among the 4 best teams with Clemson and Alabama.
I think your right but also dont think that Oklahoma is far enough behind that group to not include them, too.
Calling a close game and hopefully an upset tonight over Bama
this made me laugh pretty good
"it matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.
As long as the playoff teams are determined by subjective and ever changing opinions by people, there will always be controversy. The playoff teams need to be determined on the field. A conference Champion should always be in the playoff. Either join a conference for a chance for a playoff spot, or be relegated to a non playoff bowl game.
Ohio State got their ass handed to them by Purdue who also just got their ass handed to them by Auburn. Committee picked the right teams. You could have made the argument for a few teams. If Purdue didn’t happen we would be in.
Just tell the commiteee to stop using the term “body of work” then. Because it’s just the opposite when you look at one game as the deciding factor on us.
Right. Because the transitive property rules and a team should be defined solely by its worst performance.
You don’t need transitive property. 20-49 against Purdue happened. Simple as that. Notre Dame won their games and made it easy for the committee to make their decision.
UCF should be in then. At least they played a conference championship game.
Sure. Like I said you could have made the argument for multiple teams to be in, UCF being one. The committee favored ND based on their schedule over UCF. Is it right? Wrong? There is no perfect answer. Never will be one. Notre Dame just got embarrassed but my point is so did Ohio State. Saying OSU would have beaten ND is like saying OSU would have beaten Purdue. I would assume OSU would beat ND, I think we are a better team. I also think we are a better team than Purdue. Fact is 20-49 happened and it wasn’t close. ND made it through their schedule. Tough break, but win your games and convincingly and leave doubt out of the committees minds.
That's the way in but 11-1 still gets in if the committee deems you worthy and the "rules" keep changing. ND should be penalized for no CCG.
The committee has said they use the CCG to separate teams that they see as close. Ohio State has a lot of flaws this season that hurt them in the committees eyes and separated them from ND.
"in the committees eyes" says it all. We were, and are, objectively better than the Irish. Committee's eyes be damned.
Dam yer eyes, Committee!
OSU got beat by a bad VT team. VT lost to a 3-9 team that year and got obliterated by a bad Miami team. One bad game means nothing. Its how you finish the season.
Never forget how we got screwed in 98
And ND finished the season undefeated. We weren’t close in Purdue and showed weaknesses all year. Ohio State isn’t the only good team every year and they didn’t win their games all season convincingly. Left the door open for a team like ND to Edge them out.
Yeah cause ND just went and destroyed everyone they played. I get the they were undefeated part but ND BARELY beat a BAD USC team, they didn't destroy a fully healthy TTUN. The only good game they had was against syracuse. I have said this all day on twitter, nd vs Clemson should have been the ACC championship game. plain and simple. I don't understand why every other P5 team has to have a "13th data point" but they don't. Brian Kelly strutted around and talked shit about how they are so good and deserved to be there when in reality they didn't. We had a bad loss but got in with a bad loss previously. We had the BEST win by any team in college football. I don't understand how you can't grasp that we are all sick of the sliding scale or "reasons" for why they make their selections. This year there has been an UNBELIEVABLE bias against us in the media because of a former coach. Ohio State this year showed with having the number 2 rated offense that they were a legit threat. our body of work was better than ND's plain and simple. Tell you what, do what I have done, go look at all the major sports media outlets and see how many TTUN and ND graduates they have on staff...maybe then you will see why we get such negative coverage. It's been like this for 40 years.
We get the benefit of the doubt being Ohio State every year in the playoff discussion. We lost badly to Purdue and had a lot of close games against teams that were not that great. The offense was legit with Haskins but there were plenty of weaknesses throughout the season on the team that kept us out of the playoffs for the committee. Plenty of question marks for them to take Oklahoma, ND, etc over us. We were one of the most penalized teams in the country two years in a row.
The Smith saga I’m not going to go into. That’s beating a dead horse at this point. The media is there to give their opinions or opinions handed down to them to generate revenue. Sad but true but Ohio State gets the benefit of the doubt every year to start the season. We will again next year. The team just has to perform and win their games convincingly above their peers like Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, etc. The other teams that will also get the benefit of the doubt.
DAMNIT MAN!!!! Don't you know the past means nothing!?!? /s
Notre Dame has barely competed in their Bowl Alliance/BCS/Playoff bowl games in 25 years (0-8):
2018 Cotton Bowl: Clemson 30 - Notre Dame 3
2015 Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State 44 - Notre Dame 28
2012 BCS NC: Alabama 42 - Notre Dame 14
2006 Sugar Bowl: LSU 41 - Note Dame 14
2005 Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State 34 - Notre Dame 20
2000 Fiesta Bowl Oregon State 41 - Notre Dame 9
1995 Orange Bowl: Florida State 31 - Notre Dame 26
1994 Fiesta Bowl: Colorado 41- Notre Dame 24
This is why it’s different than us getting shelled by Clemson. Because it’s been year after year, for 25 years with ND.
Notre Dame should be forced to play the winner of the ACC for the championship. That would have prevented this.
The good guys would have been in.
Let’s call this karma for 2016 and divert all attention to next year
LoL, Desmond is pretty chipper commentating on the Alabama game. He called a Michigan win this morning, he must be getting used to being wrong and is just brushing it off. His jacket and tie are quite bright!
In the end, it's all irrelevant, because Georgia would have been next in line.
I hate the offseason.
Exactly. By the way we still have a game to play Tuesday against a serious opponent. And I don’t feel like it’s a given.
Ohio State fans just need to stop with the ND didnt deserve to get in. Its showing stupidity.
Bottom line- win your games. Thats all that matters. Thats what sports is about and the bottom line.
If you lose then accept it and dont complain like p*ssies.
And reality is 2 years ago OSU was equally embarrassed 31-0 because the coach would not play another QB when the starter sucked.
Agreed, OSU fans are the absolute. They act like OSU needs in regardless.They got beat (again) by 30. notre Dame did not lose. Blame the schedule. Blame the conference. Blame ESPN. Blame Trump. Fact of the matter is they won every game. OSU did not. UCF or whoever plays in sub conference. They don’t count. When Notre Dame scheduled these teams they did not know they would be junk. Show me another team that would schedule FSU,Miami,USC,VT. That takes balls. For everyone that has something to say. Tell me the top 10 teams 5 years from now. It’s a crap shoot. We don’t know. On paper if these teams play historically as good as they are capable of, then it’s brutal. No one in the country can claim a schedule like that. PSU,Michigan and Wisconsin are not in the same league as FSU,USC, and Miami. Even in bad years they are loaded.
This is why the playoff is stupid is it most deserving teams or 4 best teams? Notre Dame did deserve to be there since they went undefeated, but they obviously weren’t one of the 4 best teams and that was obvious all season. What’s done is done, still sour about our boys being left out but ready to send urban out with a win and go for the championship next year.
Whew ! Thanks ND ! Looking forward to the Rose Bowl ! OSU has never beaten Clemson, and I am not sure the result would have been different if we were in over ND. GO BUCKS ! BEAT UW !
These games are always tricky. Booked missed a WIDE open TD in the first half and you have to wonder how that might have changed things. Dabo and crew just kept looking for #8 and #11 on defense and hit the guys they were covering. #11 was like Deja Vu with Michigan and #28. He could not keep up with anyone..
I still think Clemson is smoke and mirrors... but a win is a win..
11 (Alohi Gilman) transferred to Notre Dame from Navy because he wants to play in the NFL and didn't want to go through mandatory military service. Given the way he played today, I'd say achieving that goal just got that much farther away.
He couldn't hang with anyone. Admire his dreams but a 5'10 safety that can't run doesn't have a chance in the NFL... Clemson beat that kid like a drum...
To be honest I don’t think OSU would have done much better than ND did against Clemson. I think Clemson and Bama are a class above every program this year.
We would give Clemson fits... ND couldn't stretch the field at all and couldn't get the ball into their playmakers hands. Something we could do. We would have scored on them for sure..
Would have been a fun game to watch...
Was not surprised in the least bit. Also wont be surprised if ND goes after Urban in a year or two. That will be the only thing that would fix things for their pathetic asses.
"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski
Notre Dame needs to join the ACC or play 13 games. They only play 12 games a season and can make the playoffs. Any team would gladly take Notre Dames 12 game schedule. I am not impressed with that 12 games schedule. Georgia's schedule looks way harder.
And we will see ESPN still credit the committee with getting it right regardless of how bad we beat Washington. 21-0 Alabama at this very moment.
My opinion, is that Ohio State was just as deserving of a playoff spot as Notre Dame or Oklahoma, but that they would have faired no better against Clemson or Alabama (at least early on in the Tide-Sooner) game. Honestly Georgia would have been a more worthy CFP participant. I hate to say it, but except for the television money, a two team playoff would have been appropriate this season.
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
I agree with this take. We may have deserved to get in, but we would have got manhandled by Clemson. Haskins is awesome but our defense is still putrid. It improved a little over the last two games against inept offenses but would have been exploited against Clemson. Did we really want to see Borland in space or Sheffield defend downfield against accurate deep balls? Getting blown out by Clemson only hurts our credibility in future years when we actually have a defense and a Ryan Day offense. Let’s beat Washington and carry that momentum into next year when our defense should be fixed.
The sorry thing is , even after we beat Wash. , ND will still be ranked above us in the final poll , just because they are ND. They looked tonite they didnt belong in anything other than a lower tier bowl. They need to get in either the MAC or CUSA
Not sure this is a guarantee
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
I disagree. IF....we beat UW convincingly or even if it’s a close game, we jump ND in final standings. We might not or won’t jump UGA, but we’ll jump ND. They got embarrassed nearly as badly as we did two years ago.
Georgia better not sleep on Texas. I live in Texas and Sam Ehlinger is a fighter. They may not be an elite team right now but I'm telling you, they beat OU earlier this year, OU didn't man handle them like the national media would have you believe in the Big XII championship either. They have a LOT of kids that will be playing in the NFL someday. We could very well end up #3 if we take care of business
Agree. And realistically, this will be a tough game for UGA to get excited to play. #watchout
This could be a problem every year with ND's hand picked schedule. Now if USC was actually good, and Michigan could beat anyone, then ND wouldn't run through their schedule. If ND had 1 loss, I think the Buckeyes would've been in no doubt. I'm not sure you guys beat Clemson this year, but there's absolutely zero chance Haskins and company only puts up 3 points.
Notre Dame has never won a BCS or New Years Six Bowl.
Theyve lost by an average of 24 points. pic.twitter.com/WpVpuJPF4b
— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) December 30, 2018
Notre Dame has never won a BCS or New Years Six Bowl.
Theyve lost by an average of 24 points. pic.twitter.com/WpVpuJPF4b
— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) December 30, 2018
Interesting: take away Ohio State's two wins and ND's margin of defeat goes up to 28.5 ppg.
They lost 41-9 to Oregon State. I completely forgot about that one, as I'm sure all ND fans would like to.
Teams that would beat ND
This is what happens when you play a bunch of ACC doormats and one mediocre contender in TTUN. You go undefeated without actually having to be good.
By the transitive property.... you gotta add Purdue in there too.
Until Notre Dame joins a conference they should be considered in the same category as the group of 5 teams. EVERYONE knew ND would not compete, but they got in because they were undefeated and not treated the same as group of 5 teams.