Word of the Day: Obambulate
I thought we weren’t supposed to inject politics...JK.
I never thought the day would come, but I might actually have to root for ND to take out pumpkin head Dabo and Clemson. Can someone please convince me why I shouldn’t break from my usual never-root-for-ND-unless-they’re-playing-Fichigan mentality? I need a sanity check from my fellow Warriors. Happy Football Watching!
An absolute have memory of mine; AJ meets and greets Brady Quinn. And like you I’m torn, but I think I’m rooting for the Domers. Not a big fan of Dabo and the conspiracy theorist in me is only more egged on w the drug related suspensions.
"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody
Today is one of those days where I know I will be pulling for Notre Dame to win.
I am still trying to figure out a way that both teams lose badly in this game.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
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A tsunami wave with piranhas and a few alligators would be rad. That way it's mostly restricted to the playing field and the cameras could capture it for the rest of CFB to watch.
I cannot stand Dabo in any way, but Brian Kelly and the ND fans are absolutely insufferable and I hope Clemson hangs 50 on their smug arses. The Tigers’ schedule is nothing to write home about, but the Irish played nobody other than ttun, and we know what a paper tiger they are. Go Tigers
"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen. I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie
Clemson SOS is 13th and ND is 25th, per the NCAA stats.
BTW, tOSU is 12th
How may teams in the current top 25 have they defeated?
SOS is highly misleading for top teams. As I have been advocating for in basketball especially, for top teams looking at straight SOS is meaningless because it values teams ranked 75 well ahead of teams ranked 105, where the actually chance of losing a game against either is the same for the top teams (virtually 0). OSU hoops team’s SOS was terrible a couple years ago, resulting in a lower than deserved seed, because they played 2-3 OOC teams that ended up being ranked in the 275+ range rather than the 125-175 range. But in reality, those game are all equally hard/easy.
In CFB, for the top teams, it is much easier to go unbeaten playing 12 teams ranked from 50-75 then it is to play 10 teams ranked 100 but 2 in the top 15. The SOS of the all 50-75 ranked teams would be harder. Not saying that is necessarily what happened here with ND/Clemson, but Clemson was not challenged at all this year, despite that SOS. They just avoided the really terrible teams.
Hoping Clemson destroys ND and then ND gets the "Big Ten let us down in the playoffs" treatment for the next several years.
It's no 31-0 but I'll take it.
Silver - i’m Done with “anti - rooting because Ohio State isn’t in the playoffs”. I spent the 2015 and 2017 playoffs watching reruns of the 2014 OSU playoff run because I was so convinced we should have been there, that I refused to watch Alabama win another.
Well i’ve Come to grips with the fact that we can’t continue to shit the bed against Iowa and Purdue and act like that’s alright because we won 11 other games - 9 of which feature opponents comparable to Iowa and Purdue. The wind was the reason ? Please , the Purdue passing game looked lethal against our lame defense that night. So I will watch and root for the underdog as I always do in every sport. And I will watch the Rose Bowl to root for the Buckeyes and not project what could have been if we had beaten Purdue ...
Go Irish - Go Sooners !
Can someone please convince me why I shouldn’t break from my usual never-root-for-ND-unless-they’re-playing-Fichigan mentality?
You should definitely continue to root against ND in this game. I’ve mentioned this before many times, but I simply don’t think ND belongs in the playoffs. Not because they don’t have a conference championship, but because they just aren’t that good. I think Ohio State would put a TTUN type beating on them 9 times out 10. And that’s exactly what I think they are, a TTUN type team. They handle lesser opponents easily but they just don’t recruit at an elite level to keep up with teams that recruit at an elite level, like Clemson. ND getting embarrassed today will help remind future CFP committees why they don’t get a pass into the final 4 simply because of their once relevant history. The B10 has been left out the last two years in part because of blow out losses to Iowa and Purdue, but also because Ohio State and MSU got humiliated the last two times the B10 was represented in the playoff. ND will get the same treatment if they go shit the bed today. And then that’s one less variable the B10 needs to worry about come future playoff selections.
All that said, if ND wins today or at least looks good and keeps it competitive, I will feel a lot less bad about not making the playoff. If they can show that they belong on this stage, then I can’t really make a strong argument over why Ohio State deserved it more.
I have never understood all of the ND hate. They have never taken anything from us and, to the contrary, have provided us with a number of memorable and enjoyable opportunities to give them a wedgie on national TV. That they played for a natty in '12 instead of us isn't their fault, nor is it their fault that almost all of the normally marquee opponents on this year's schedule had uncommonly mediocre to bad teams; Stanford, USC, Florida State. Brian Kelly may be a purple douche, but ND hate was strong even when coached by the sainted Lou Holtz. As for their fans, in my unscientific research (read: drinking with them before and after games) theirs are far and away the best of our bowl opponents (admittedly, that bar is pretty low.) No comparison to scUM fans in my experience.
We have much better reasons to hate Sparty, but I don't get any sense of that from from 11W or any of my Buckeye circle. Heck, we even kind of like the irascible Mark Dantonio.
This is a long way around to saying that I will not think twice about rooting for the butt-grabbing, juiced-up Dabos to get pounded into the turf. Not that I expect that outcome.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
My hatred of ND goes back decades and has nothing at all to do with Ohio State. For as long as I have been alive the Irish have acted like they are better than everyone else, be it the team or the fans. Living in Chicago makes it exponentially worse as this area considers ND the local school, which is annoyjng as hell. Brian Kelly has only made it worse by being a “purple douche” as you call him.
Clemson is no prize, but to me they are the lesser of the evils in this matchup.
I was rooting for both Clemson and Alabama to blow out ND and Oklahoma because I wanted the committee to look ridiculous. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2813062-alabama-and-clemson-dominati...
Seattle Buckeye, Green Tony
Esap, mission accomplished!
Man, can the Rose Bowl get here any quicker? And yet, many changes soon after. But I’ll gladly add a Yurcich, fortifying the braintrust. Day/Wilson/Yurcich = pretty strong right there.
Stir in a Fields transfer and you have a perfect recipe. No Tate hate, but we need another qb and a 3 way competition would just make everyone better.
Oh I was thinking Fields too, but the Tate/Fields can of worms is an awful big one. I’ve nothing against Tate, but as I said before, it seems Urban is his biggest fan. JMO. They say the great don’t shy from competition. We’ll see soon enough. Iron sharpens iron. If Fields wants to come here, you don’t turn him down.
Friend of mind from Macon, who is a huge UGA guy, and also the son of a coach like myself said of Fields; he takes off running when his primary receiver is covered and doesn't make it to his second or third read. Easy to see why he and his family want to play for a QB Whisperer like Ryan Day.
Go Bucks and Boomer Sooner today!!
The only hard day was yesterday
The talk down here the last few weeks has had Yurcich going to Tennessee. It's been pretty quite on the Sooner DC job; which is to be expected since the focus is on the playoff.
I really don’t want to lose Grinch to Okie while we keep Schiano one more year. He’s a good man and I respect him. I think he will be a great coach elsewhere. We need a fresh start on the D side and Schiano wouldn’t offer long-term options. I feel like he already camped out an extra year after the Tennessee debacle. With how poorly the D performed, I think it’s time to move on. I think him sticking around would also hurt recruiting. It feels very unstable.
Agreed. The D [coaching] side of the ball is really at critical mass. Not looking past the Huskies, but looking ahead - changes will and have to happen, and those changes will be dissected til Hell won’t have it. LJ seems like the only constant [IMO]. We know Davis won’t be back. His contract is up anyway. Personally I don’t see how Day keeps Schiano; also my opinion. I’d love a Freeman here for LBs C.
Freeman isn’t coming here to be a LB coach. He already is one.
So you wouldn't think coaching same position here wouldn't be a promotion? And getting chance to recruit best lb's in the country? And then coaching them? And getting a 6 figure pay bump? No, your right.
I understand it’s a higher profile job, but thx for the reminder. Here’s another point: loyalty means a great deal to coaches — in fact it’s damn near everything. Luke could understand and support Freeman or anyone else on his staff leaving for a promotion to another school, no matter what that school is. A lateral? Not so much. The analogy for Grinch does not hold water. He came here under the assumption he’d be the DC by now. Schiano’s setback at Tennessee fouled up Meyer’s succession plan in coaching just like Cardale’s return in 2015 mucked up his QB successsion plan
You guys see it your way .....I’ll see it mine. But if you think Marcus Freeman is going to tell Luke and the kids he recruited That he’s leaving for Ohio State cuz it’s a higher profile job and cuz he played there, well, no offense ,but it’s you being naive, not me. If Freeman is our LB coach net year, you can feel free to troll me and have a good laugh. But don’t hold your breath.
I don’t see freeman coming here realistically. I was just using him as an example. We’ve seen highly touted LB recruits all but die on the vine here recently. We need someone young and hungry, committed to make a name. Give me sound fundamentals. Borland and Werner were absolute abominations. Hard to imagine that’s the best tOSU has to offer.
What about adding in the fact that Ohio State is his alma mater? There's a lot of value in that.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
Well Nut look no further than Grinch. Made a “lateral” move and went to 800k. And “a” Freeman, meaning an ex-position younger coach ala Hartline - also how a Fickell and a Vrabel got thier feet wet
And if Coach Day doesn't play this right, and give Coach Grinch the full-time DC position that he came to Ohio State for, he may make another lateral move to Norman. Better lock him down, pronto.
"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes
Based on the play of our secondary all season, and the fact that our best player only saw the field after another one got pulled for targeting, why are we all so high on Grinch again?
Would not say high but we do not know who made the final call to not play him until the injury happened.
Extramedium, this was Coach Schiano's defense. Most likely, Coach Meyer, along with Coach Schiano, had more say on who-plays-where than any of the defensive position coaches. Whatever you may think of the safety play this year, IMO, it is not fair to put too much blame of the play of the defense on Coach Grinch. Final decisions regarding scheme and personnel were made by Coaches Schiano and Meyer. Coach Grinch had to work within that system.
Coach Grinch was hired by Coach Meyer, many speculated at the time, as DC-in-waiting, and named co-defensive coordinator. That is how highly regarded Coach Meyer thought of the improvement in the defense under his leadership in his three years at Washington State. And Lincoln Riley wouldn't be interested in hiring Coach Grinch as his DC unless HE thought that Coach Grinch was a great candidate for the job. If Urban Meyer and Lincoln Riley both think highly of Alex Grinch, that should be a pretty good indication of his coaching ability, and as a DC, not as a position coach.
High on Grinch because he turned a dumpster fire defense at Washington State into a very good defense. Don't blame the entire secondary on Grinch. He coached the safeties, which was the best defensive unit behind the DL.
not sure why all of the love for Grinch, other than he is from Ohio. Safety play was horrible this year. WSU defense improved after he left IIRC.
Now I hope he stays, but I sure don't understand why everyone seems to think that his leaving would be disastrous
You got my vote Lamp. The argument that Grinch is really good could be said about Davis in that it was Meyer and Schiano naming the players. But most everyone wants Davis gone. All the coaches coach and have a say, otherwise they wouldn’t be getting paid the big money. If Ginch stays another year he better show massive improvement or he needs sent packing.
"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes
HC Lincoln Riley isn't pursuing Billy Davis for a defensive coaching position at Oklahoma. He IS pursuing Alex Grinch to be his Defensive Coordinator. Therein lies one of the fundamental differences in any comparison of the two.
The end of the previous Michigan game and unexpectedly the "not yet ready" QB comes in and beats the rival in a hostile environment.
Basically... Grinch is Dwayne Haskins and Schiano is JT B. Ask the asst. AD what to do. Use the guy who brought beer to and told a funny story at the Meyer wedding. Don't use the bright young defensive mind. Let him go to Oklahoma or Alabama. Difference is those schools play for championships.
Ugly loyalty and nepotism are keeping us ordinary at best.
Mr. Day, you can A. Have your own career or B. Let Urban laugh as he's not really retired.
Own this and win with your people. I don't care if Schiano is coaching at Louisiana tech vocational school next season. Keep Grinch because losing him would be foolish. Accountability starts now.
Moving laterally from Cinci to OSU is likely a promotion in many ways...
Didn’t Kerry Coombs make a lateral move to OSU from Cincinnati? If anything, as UC’s DB/Associate Head Coach, he took a lower title for better money and a higher profile gig. Grinch also made a lateral move from Wazoo. Precedents exist.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Yep. Just like Luke would probably take a "lateral" if some decent Power Five school came calling. (No, not you, Rutgers.)
You'd already excluded Rutgers when you said "decent."
We really need to get coach Coombs back...he was an absolute monster in recruiting and the DBs he put into the league are still ballin pretty good.... man I miss redbull Coombs
Not saying it was grinch's fault, coulda been difference in scheme, but with him coaching safeties (instead of schiano), there was a HUGE drop off in their play this year.
"Grinch has already fixed one atrocious defense for an offensive-minded team, hopefully he can do it again."
Which team did he do that for? The Buckeyes defense was putrid almost the entire season...
Gotcha,...too bad he couldn't work his talent this past season. Not that he was solely responsible.
Appears he'll have a chance to fix an already ruined defense. tOSU probably didn't put up too much of a fight to keep him around. Good Luck in Norman Mr. Grinch...
Tricycle link. Our local news put that on their Facebook page and I breezed it and thought to myself, “yeah, that sounds like the Yo”. Wasn’t til now I see it was in Florida. And now I’m oddly disappointed [chuckle]. Plus I think she could pull off the 5th Banana Split - but insomnia will make your mind wander.
I wouldn't expect anything less from Buckeye Nation than a Rise Bowl takeover. I expect the team to send Urban off with a very strong win.
Gratefully my wife and I will be two of those red figures. 61 years in the making to do this bucket list item.
If that StubHub graphic is intended to be indicative of the crowd split, I’m seeing closer to 2/3 Buckeyes than 3/4. But I realize I’m splitting hairs (or is it hares?). After going to Cal/Berkeley in 2013, I have no doubts about Buckeye Nation’s ability to take over a stadium, least of all a neutral venue.
How many times would Husky fans have to circle the stadium to complete one W-A-S-H-I-N-G-T-O-N cheer?
The athlete tattoo video game copyright dilemma is an excellent way to start the day with a wtf.
There's not a game scheduled today that gets a second of my viewership.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
I don't always watch a game to root for a team, sometimes it is to make fun of them and root against them. So the ttun game will get some of my time but I just don't care about the other games and the teams playing in the SEC/ESPN Invitational.
We're free to disagree, but I just don't understand ignoring top-notch football on a Saturday afternoon/evening. You mean to tell me if Alabama was playing Oklahoma in Week 3 you wouldn't watch? What makes the fact that it's the CFP any different? The fact that tOSU isn't in it? I'm past screwing myself out of good football in the hope that I'm screwing someone else. I'm not better, I'm just past that way of thinking. Besides, we screwed ourself out of the playoff; not just against Purdue, but Maryland, TCU, Nebraska...we could have been more impressive at any point in the year and couldn't get over the hump.
I'm past screwing myself out of good football in the hope that I'm screwing someone else.
I couldn’t agree more. The idea that Buckeye Nation is going to stand up en masse as one and boycott the CFP to “send a message” simply because we’re not in it is foolhardy. It’s the crybaby poor sport equivalent of a kid taking his ball and going home because things aren’t going his way. When the viewership ratings come out, I’ll bet Ohio’s metros will still be near the top.
I'm not watching because I have zero interest in watching the same teams play again. Clemson..hate them. Alabama...sick of the automatic inclusion. Oklahoma...not interested. ND is the only new one, and I'm not a big fan of them
"Alabama...sick of the automatic inclusion"
Lol, they're undefeated. That will automatically include most teams.
Yeah undefeated SEC Champs being gifted a spot. I hear ya.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Not another ESPN conspiracy theorist. Hard to know what goes througb the head of folks that type that nonsense.
Kev, are you just blowing smoke with the Purdue wind theory? It would seem that their QB would've been affected as well...
As to yesterday, I was busy and missed most of the game. When finally able to watch - I thought they were showing penalty yards or something other than the score. Auburn literally blew their doors off.
Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.
Oh, it did. Their offense came alive in the fourth quarter as well. They scored 28 points in like 10 minutes.
Also, hence this line: "The other angle to this is that Ohio State's defense gave up 49 points while being aided by 20 mph winds for half the game. But at least my theory makes me feel better about half the team."
What about 5 trips to the redzone and coming away with 6 points? A 20 mph wind won't cause that. Ohio State had MAJOR redzone issues at that time and it bit them in the ass at Purdue
Oh yeah, that's definitely true also.
Your retelling of facts is very sloppy. OSU's D gave up 42 points to Purdue and Purdue scored 21 points in the 4th quarter. Do better.
No, Purdue did score 28 points in the fourth quarter, the offense only scored 21. Your criticism of me is very sloppy. Do better. But yes, one touchdown was a pick six that I didn't account for. That hardly changes my point. Both offenses came alive in the fourth quarter.
You're right, I should have organized my thoughts better. I meant to say that OSU's D gave up 42 in the game and 21 in the 4th. Not too good, but I don't like it when people exaggerate to make a point that doesn't need to be exaggerated. I will strive to do better.
Hahaha I'm just messing with you. You were right, I just thought your critique was funny because it wasn't perfect itself.
This is what I saw when I caught the score just 5 minutes in the 2nd quarter:
I had a similar experience yesterday while watching the Wazzu game (the whatever bowl.) Gonzaga game was on another TV (with no sound), and I was trying to figure out what graphic they were showing. Turns out it was the score. Gonzaga was up 47 to 6 midway through the first half. Ouch.
Happy Rose Bowl Weekend! It's been awhile!! Was a day when this bowl was it!!!
Not likely, but 500+ passing yards, eight passing touchdowns, and three 100 hundred rushers would be a great way to play offense in this game, then bring Tate in for the fourth quarter to score some more!
But would also like the defense to be silver bullet like again too.
Yea, I know, but, why have small reasonable wishes?
In truth, even a one point win works too.
Therfore the obligatory, just win!
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
Sounds great, Buctor, I'm with you, but sadly the Christmas gifts have already been passed out.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
I had never thought about tattoos needing to be licensed, nor should I have. I agree with Hove above that the whole thing is simply confusing and wtf works for me.
Will the defense change for the Bucks next year? Hard to say where to go with this. Most seem to love Grinch, but not sure what I have seen from him to feel the same. Yes he cleaned up the Wazzu defense, but helping The Pirate in Pullman, WA slow down PAC 12 offenses is different than working for Ohio State or Oklahoma. I guess I am noncommittal on Grinch staying or going right now. Riley certainly needs to upgrade, but to hear some Green Bay Packers fans they think he is going to be their next coach so maybe he won't be at Oklahoma anyway.
Today's are not exactly stellar unfortunately, but we shall see. I do find it odd however that the Belk Bowl is on ABC while ttun/Florida is on espn
Purdue must have been just happy to be in a bowl game.
They just didn’t realize it was the Toliet Bowl. And they crapped a load.
The Auburn v Purdue game showed, if nothing else, how unathletic and poorly schemed this Ohio State Defense has been all season. The same Purdue offense that made OSU look like a JV team could not not muster anything or moreover, outrun the Auburn defense. That game simply reaffirmed to the Committee that they made the right choice, no matter how full of shit or flawed we believe their logic to have been.
You’re half right. The scheme has been horrible all season. But unathletic? Come on. There are lots of good athletes on that defense. Two guys looked slow - Borland and Werner. Borland is coming off a serious achilles injury so he was slow. But Werner looked slow because he was inexplicably asked to guard slot receivers. Pryor sometimes looked slow because he was bad at diagnosing plays.
The way I see it OSU played one slower than average player. Most were faster than the average college player for their position.
All due respect, but I don’t think I am half wrong. Are you forgetting how many WRs and RBs ran past not only our LBs, but Also our DBs as if they were standing still? For all of the talk about Sheffield’s world class speed, he was playing catch up the whole season, and he wasn’t the only one.
Once Bosa left, much of the athleticism on this D went with him. In our last three regular season games, we gave up 51, 39, and 24 points to teams who were only marginal on Offense. Yes, much of it was poor scheme with kids who could not execute those schemes. The rest was the jimmies and the joes. Let’s not be naive here. There are only four players on this D who would start on a elite Defense. Jones. Bosa. Harrison. Fuller. That leaves 7 vulnerable spots and a recipe for what happened against Purdue.
You talk about our bad defense and how the committee made the right choice. Our offense was ranked second nationally...right behind Oklahoma but our defense (as bad as it was) was ranked 40 spots higher than the Oklahoma defense. I also bet that the TV networks would love a redo so that they could pit Meyer vs Saban one last time. Those ratings would be through the roof.
With all due respect - yeah, you’re half wrong. Good athletes on this defense: Chase Young, Jonathan Cooper, Malik Harrison, Baron Browning, Kendall Sheffield, Jeff Okudah, Shaun Wade, Damon Arnette, and Brendon White.
Just because opposing players got open doesn’t mean OSU’s defense was unathletic. The scheme was bad and two units were poorly coached. That leads to open receivers. So there you go.
OhioGinJ, I like your "half wrong."
Agree with the athletes on D, except Arnette. And some guys are just faster with pads on. Sheffield is not that kind of guy.
I cringed reading this. You do realize there are tons of reasons defenders fail to catch RBs and WRs that have nothing to do with athleticism, right? Bad angles, bad placement, and being unable to get off blocks were the most common this year. Tuf is the only slow starter. Sure there are plenty of other guys that aren’t performing, but it isn’t because they aren’t elite athletes. Werner is fast. Probably not fast enough to cover slots, that should be a nickle or safeties job, but he’s fast for a LB. He just can’t get off of blocks for shit.
Your take on coaches not taking lateral moves is absurd too. You honestly think coaches only willingly move from position coach to coordinator to head coach? Tons of coaches are position coaches for years and only uptier programs, not title. And before you say anything about competence, Larry Johnson is one of those coaches.
Gee —. I’ll try a lot harder next time, b and not be so cringeworthy. Considering some of what is said here from time to time, you might want to grow a thicker skin,,,,er,,,keyboard.
This forum is full of opinions — some of them offered top of mind, some of them in the form of a full debate thesis. Yes, I am aware that defenders miss tackles for many reasons including those u pointed out. I was also remiss in leaving out Chase Young as an elite defender — fair point.
And yes, coaches take lateral moves from time to time. LJ was a bad example. He left a shit show at PennState to coach for Meyer at an elite program. I simply don’t see Freeman making the move that started this avalanche of outrage. I hope you can read that with a normal pulse. Peace.
All due respect, Nutinpa is really a PSU fan who pretends to root for the buckeyes. Did McSorley announce which HS he is coaching at.
No. I am a Buckeye fan for life, 7. Yes, I have family ties to PSU, but I am not a fan of theirs. It actually sets up a funny (or strange) family dynamic, but one you clearly couldn't understand.
I've tried to be polite to your juvenile posts, but you make it difficult. Please come out of the basement and get some sun. It'll do you some good. Oh, and Happy New Year.
IO!!!! And Happy New Years too.
Wait till you see Oklahoma. As bad as our defense has been at times this season, it’s still better than theirs.
I have watched Oklahoma play multiple times. Their defensive back seven is faster and more athletic than Ohio State’s but just as terribly coached. The Big XII may be an offense-first conference and every DC’s name is on the endangered species list but I won’t be surprised if Oklahoma’s defense shows up the way it did against Texas the second time they played.
Once day takes full control of the team, I fully anticipate one or 2 coaching changes to be made on defense, and potentially one on offense as well..I don't think Grinch is going anywhere..unless they offer him some insane amount of money..
“Insane”. He made 800k here this season, so...
Oh, by the way, our 13th ranked Basketbucks play today at noon. Did I mention that they are currently ranked at #13 in the nation?
"Bring back St John"
I'm guessing Day will push hard to make Grinch a bigger offer to stay and Schiano is on his way out. We know what Schiano can do as the defensive coordinator and having full control but Grinch hasn't been given that opportunity yet. He's young and has strong Ohio ties so I would hope they'll find a way to keep Grinch around. I'm fine with getting a new LB coach. Davis has not impressed. I think Day may replace Coach Stud on the offensive side of things. I like the idea of bringing in the guy from Oklahoma State if possible.
1. Do not expect OSU to obambulate in the Rose Bowl; it will be A to B, 4 to 6 one last time.
2. Do not underestimate the power of home and family concerns for both Grinch and Yurcich. If you have the ability to coach at an elite school and be paid a premium without going half-way across the country, you take it. I think Day is making a youth movement for energy and player relations. I think Hartline is the template. I'll throw a name out for the offensive line: Jim Cordle. Ohio native, played in the NFL, and years of experience at OSU as a GA. He was also highly praised for his on-field management of the o-line when Warriner went to the press box as OC.
3. The third quarter aerial shot of the Rose Bowl will be glorious. 3/4 scarlet in the sunshine reflecting off the San Gabriel mountains. Forecast high temperature is 63, BTW.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
And to piggyback on “energy” who handles ST? Actually pretty solid this season, but the previous...not so much. Maybe smaller, but still an area of focus.
I don't think it has to be one person. I would like to see the Maryland fake punt incorporated into the mix, however. Hiding Olave in the punt team and sliding him across the field would be pretty slick.
it will be A to B, 4 to 6 one last time.
I hope not.
I will raise your Jim Cordle with LeCharles Bentley, who runs an academy in Cleveland that has become a pre-draft destination for offensive linemen.
When there's wind both teams play in it
When there's rain both teams play in it
When there's snow both teams play in it
When there's nuclear fallout both teams play in it
Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0
There mustn’t have been any wind in Nashville but there was fire because Purdue got smoked.
I like Kevin's wind theory. I now have a rationale for losing.
Actually I've been to a game where the wind and snow stopped when the one team with an excellent passing QB had the ball. And then wind and snow would start up after they scored.
Life ain't fair.
When there are athlete's they are neutralized. Everybody is slow.
I love Tate’s attitude/bravado. A guy I can root for. Hope he indeed can throw. But I also hope we get Fields.
Did the wind also affect our defense against Purdue? They scored 50 on us.
I do not get the huge line for Clemson/ND. ND has a good D. Clemson played no one. I am clearly in the minority, but I see a close game there, and would take ND with the points (line is as high as 13.5) in a heartbeat. I think there is a fair chance ND wins outright.
From an attitude standpoint, Tate appears to have a little Baker in him.
The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.
Please, some of us still want to root for Tate.
The only Baker I think of is Jerome and his toughness.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
Despite my tagline, I'm a lifelong Browns fan so I've forgiven Baker. Beyond that, he's one of those guys that if he's on your team you love him, if he's not, you despise him. We all know the type and my read on Tate is that he, too, is one of those guys. Lots of energy and a ton of emotion worn right on his sleeve. If he starts leading the Buckeyes to victory, and I have very high hopes for him, we'll love him but he will be well and truly hated by opponent fans. In that way, in my opinion, Tate has some Baker in him. And that's as in Mayfield, not Jerome.
If we lose Grinch and keep Schiano, I will have given Day all the slack he is going to get. Schiano never has coordinated a top flight D while Grinch is a known successful product. Yes, Schiano is a good friend of Urban... but so too are Studs and Davis. Give me any coach who can put Wazoo’s D in the top 25 over anyone who led tOSU’s to a level below mediocrity!
Schiano never has coordinated a top flight D while Grinch is a known successful product.
Okay, that's just a ridiculous exaggeration. Schiano was co-coordinator in 2016, when the defense was #5 in the country and fantastic enough that it carried the team to the CFP despite an often-shaky offense. In 2017, Schiano was sole DC and the defense was #8 in the country.
You can say that Schiano deserves to be fired for 2018 alone and that's a reasonable take*. You can argue that his system is overly complicated and really relies on having elite-of-elite talent and that's a fair criticism*. You can certainly believe that Grinch, based on his work at Wazzu, has a really high ceiling and is worth keeping*. But to say he's "never coordinated a top flight D" is simply not true.
*FWIW, I believe all of these things, I just think you're being way too strong here. Remember, twelve months ago, the Ohio State fanbase was universally ecstatic that Tennessee failed to hire him away and we'd get another year of Schiano.
I get what you’re saying Blue, and agree with the second half of your take. I have that OSU’s D finished 15th last year and 67th this year with Schiano as D coordinator. Not good and trending the wrong way. I said it above I respect him and think he will be successful wherever he goes but I would like to see him move on. Get some new energy and a simplified scheme. I also think it could help recruiting to have stability and not a guy who might give us one more year.
Give me any coach who can put Wazoo’s D in the top 25 over anyone who led tOSU’s to a level below mediocrity!
Okay, try doing some research before just throwing crap out there. Washington State was never anywhere close to having a Top 25 defense while Grinch was there. In 2015, his first year, it was 73rd in total defense. In 2016, it finished 50th. In 2017, it was 59th. In 2018, without Grinch, they were 41st. He rightfully deserves credit for Wazoo’s improvement but let’s try to abstain from making stuff up.
Yeah, Wazzou was top-10 in terms of yards per game last year but that's about as good as it gets.
50th and 59th are both better than how OSU will finish this year with three times the amount of talent!
You should let Day know that he will have little slack if this happens. He might want to factor that in befaore he makes his decision.
I truly belive no matter what coaching changes take place, we will see a very different team on the field moving forward. One of the greatest of all time is leaving, those are gigantic boots to fill. I have very high hopes, but i am preparing to see a different team.
scUM sucks chump
I am wondering if Grinch is being looked at hard by Oklahoma because his future here isn't so certain. I have a feeling Day may have his mind up about some defensive changes. Everyone wants Freeman to come as a LB coach but what about a defensive coordinator. As we all know outside of the defensive line there wasn't a ton of stellar performances on defense. And the fact that guys like White were riding the pine makes a lot of folks wonder just what the hell is going on on that side of the ball.
I have heard that Day has been contemplating getting rid of Schiano to keep Grinch on staff, hence Schiano's uncertainty about whether he'll be here next season
I don’t see Day keeping both. But he will likely keep one. Hopefully he gets to make the call and OU doesn’t make it for him.
Or the Assistant Athletic Director!
For me I mention an LB C because Davis is definitely gone, but we need sound fundamentals before we even talk about scheme. Furthermore as others have said, we don’t know the level of Grinch’s input. It was Schiano’s D. He most likely wanted player x to play because he felt they fit his system. Idk. I’d say we get back to fundamentals first.
Still can’t get excited about today’s games knowing that we aren’t in it. Even the Rose Bowl is meh. But I will at least watch that one. Oh yeah, thanks Purdue, yesterday didn’t help us much. Nice effort.
Your expressions of deep gratitude toward Purdue might be better redirected to more deserving groups, such as the OSU defensive coaches.
Get rid of Schiano, keep Alex Grinch!!! Schiano's defense has gotten worse each season he's been in charge, not to mention blow out losses to teams we shouldn't lose to the last two seasons. If we keep an aged defensive coordinator who hasn't impressed over a young, up and coming defensive coordinator from Ohio...ugh, I guess we'll know what to expect next year - more of the same.
The blowouts to Iowa and Purdue happened in the 4th quarters. Schiano tends to throw in the towel when the contest is out of reach. Prob. reflects the standard procedure in the NFL. The pros lose some and move on to the next payday. That's not how it works in college ball.
By the looks of the game yesterday, Purdue left their game at the water park on Wednesday. That makes our game with them all the more head-scratching.
The fact that all Purdue’s players could do was belly flops should have been a harbinger for how the game was going to go.
I totally understand why he'd bolt.
If Grinch, who no matter what excuses have been offered on here was not a success last season, wants to go to OU, well, see ya later. I would say that he'll face FAR lower expectations specific to what would pass as 'good defense' at a BIG12 program Vs at Ohio State. In addition, if Day wants to retain Grinch there's simply no way that Oklahoma will be able to hire him away, imo. OU cannot offer more money, they cannot offer anything remotely close to a better city in which to live (Norman, OK to Columbus is like Columbus to NYC), they cannot offer family, as Grinch's family, in addition to his wife's family, are local. The only thing OU can offer that OSU cannot is less pressure as a defensive coach in a conference dominated by offense... to the point that BIG12 defenses are a national joke. The only way Grinch goes to OU is if Ryan Day allows it to happen. So, if we read about Alex Grinch being named Oklahoma's defensive coordinator it's because Ryan Day doesn't think he's good enough to hold the same position at Ohio State.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Not sure what this statement means: “But also, imagine what else you could do with that money.”
What else WHO could do with that money? The same could be said of the money that Cam Newton and Cameron Jordan spend on fashion, for example. If we are critically analyzing how people make and spend money, we shouldn’t just focus on business execs, but also celebs and athletes. These people have a good legal gig and pay taxes (usually) on what they make. #letemlive
The Outback Bowl. I didn't go into it, but they're also one of the stingiest in terms of charitable donations.
But yes, I am squarely in the "you can't tell folks how to spend the money they earn," I mostly just think this fellow should probably make less, compared to how the other bowls do things.
Ah, ok. Well, I’d say that makes sense. Thanks Kevin. *thumbs up emoji*
Can't believe I'm rooting for Florida today.
Noon games suck
Meh, in 50 years the entire state will be underwater so they’ll eventually get what’s coming to them. But as for today, go Gators!
You forgot the sarcastic font there, Al Gore...
I remember the press conference when Day was hired and he said defense will be simple so guys can use their athleticism and be aggressive or something to that effect and I thought to me that meant that the days of Schiano schemes were gone and Grinch was going to take over
Keep grinch and dump schiano and Davis. Just a better way
When the defense gets gashed on the ground versus Washington and corners still don’t turn around to track the football that should be the end of Greg Schiano and his antiquated schemes that have not worked all season
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
But then you have to also point the finger of guilt at the position coach. I’d like to see someone defend Taver Johnson’s unit for not totally underwhelming.
Did you think the CBs, outside of Ward, looked great in Coombs last year? They were doing the “don’t look for the ball” crap that year too.
I was in WLAF for that game and yes, it was windy and bitterly cold; but no, that's not the reason we lost. You may recall that with about a minute to go before halftime it was 7-3 Boilers, with OSU having a 1st and goal at the 7. We were unable to run the ball and then missed a FG. This is after having 1st and goal around the same distance earlier in the game and needed to settle for 3. Brohm smelled blood and heaved the ball down field and scored to take a 14-3 lead. If OSU goes into halftime with a 10-7 lead the score probably ends up 49-20 the other way. As it went we had the ball to end the half and start the second half and scored 0 points on those 2 drives. Drives which could have sealed the game for OSU. The inability to run the ball vs the worst rushing defense we had faced so far, and the stubbornness to not cover Rondale Moore tightly or double him is what cost OSU that game.
Great take, 92. This was definitely the winning post of the thread. Appreciate the insight.
Haskins is the best QB at Ohio State in my lifetime. And he played bad at Purdue. Sure, the weather mattered, but he didn’t put air under the ball in the end zone a few times. And it was knocked down a few times. It changed the game more than Austin Mack dropping passes out of nowhere in Dallas, then back to normal.
Haskins is the best QB at Ohio State in my anyone’s lifetime.
When did a 67% completion percentage, 470 yards and 2 TDs to 1 int become a bad game?
Numbers can be deceiving. Lots of garbage yards after the game was decided. He didn’t make a bunch of key throws when game hadn’t been decided. Did you even watch the game, because if so, you shouldn’t be asking this question.
He he let passes get batted down in the endzone because he didn't put air under it. 73 pass attempts to get to 470 yards is not actually elite. It is no different than 36 attempts for 235 yards in back to back games.
NFL efficiency ratings were developed just for that reason. It is all about numbers per attempt. If a QB has no interceptions over 2 games is that still good if they team only passed 6 times in the 2 games?
Specific examples can be John Elway and Joe Montana, and the debate from the late 80s people had. Elway had 226 interceptions, which is 3.1% of his pass attempts which is 51,475 career attempts. He also had 300 TD passes at 4.1% of attempts.
Montana only had 273 TDs, but it was only 5391 pass attempts. He also threw 139 interceptions, or 2.6% of his passes. It is why Montana's career rating is 92.3, and Elway's career rating is only 79.9.
And as I have said, I would take Haskins on my team of all Ohio State over everybody, including Kern, Tomczak, and Smith.
QBR is a different metric which tries to account productivity. Haskins QBR for the Purdue game is 63, and 99 for his half against Tulane as a comparison.
When you've thrown 72 passes, many of them within 10 yds of the LOS, to achieve those numbers and your team still lost by 30 points. And you don't need to remind me that no Buckeye QB under center would have come away with a W that night. But that was not a blue ribbon night for him no matter what the bull shit stat sheet said. Oh yeah, and I cringed when I read your post, bn.
I don't put that game on Haskins shoulders. Ridiculous penalties, O-Line that couldn't (or wouldn't) get low enough to run block. Purdue was awful at defending the run.
Also I noticed that Purdue wasn't using pre-snap motions on the defensive line versus Auburn, no trick plays, they looked like they weren't interested. Obviously Purdue was fired up for the Buckeyes, much like every B1G team gets - it's Purdue's equivalent of playing in a National Championship game, because that's the closest they come.
However it's tough to win as a QB when you have no viable threat in the run game, even if you're as talented as Haskins.
The Buckeyes shouldn't have been judged solely by their low point of the season.
Funny how politics drives people’s opinions on Bowl games.
Forgive me, but what of OSU’s defense this season makes OU want Grinch? And as for Purdue, I can’t recall a series of karmatic events leading up to a game that portended more misfortune. Were it the Greeks, they would have sacrificed a virgin before setting sail. But the last thing I’ll say about it is that I’m sick to death of the meme “you can’t lose to Purdue by 29.” YES YOU CAN if you play a legit, 12 game FBS schedule. At least YOU SHOULD. I get enraged when I hear this, and then have to provide an education to those who don’t understand what schedule padding is like the SEC does. OSU and the B1G lead the way in challenging schedules. True, you can't argue with the results. Alabama and Clemson have truly gamed the system to ensure they make it in every year. And the B12, well it’s a hot mess outside of Oklahoma.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Given what UCF has endured, it's evident a non P5 school will never be in the CFP. But the Wake Forests and Vanderbilts and Indianas have zero chance, either. This is the fifth year of the playoffs and you can count the schools that filled those 20 slots on two hands and four of them—Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma and Ohio State—have together accounted for more than half. Every year, there seems to be an outlier (Oregon, MSU, Washington, Notre Dame) but the reality is that there are maybe 10 schools that are capable of sustaining the kind of success that keeps you coming back. And nothing is more critical to sustaining long term success than the head coach. And when a great coach leaves, how does that change things for other schools? Oklahoma survived the transition from Stoops to Riley. Could Alabama or Clemson survive losing Saban and Swinney? Will Ohio State survive losing Urban Meyer?
Indeed. To me, the “playoffs” died last year when Wisconsin and OSU were snubbed for Alabama. I’ve not yet heard a good explanation for why Alabama gets in over either. Even Alabama fans are unable to defend it. Especially when, as a Buckeye fan, I say Wisconsin should have made it in. What’s the point of the entire system if it produces that kind of result? I don’t care if Alabama won, they got a Mulligan and took advantage. The talent and the coaching (sorta) isn’t a question, but I say again, what’s the point of scheduling a solid season if those are your results? And then this year, putting Georgia ahead of OSU with two losses, having beaten nobody, was the ultimate show of disrespect. Georgia has won exactly nothing. Maybe it was that big win over Austin Peay?
I Just let the assistant coaching situation play itself out. We will be fine. I’m not sure Schiano will be around...he sure didn’t sound optimistic when he was giving an interview. We will be fine either way though.
Bold prediction: Michigan holds Florida to single digits scoring today. I see Michigan winning something like 24-6.
If you are going to go down, go down in flames! Haha. Good thing I did not back this prediction with any money. That’s now two games in a row where Dan Brown did a pathetic job.
For Grinch we need to keep him for many reasons. Teams like Oklahoma and Ohio State don't come calling if your not talented. Plus like mentioned above he did a great job at Wash. St. and not sure who really had the upper hand between Schiano and Grinch. Sometimes two heads are not better than one and heard they didn't work well together? I blame the poor lb play for most of the problems in the back end of our defense and the db's very young too. I would love if we can get that qb coach. Urbans grand son needs more seasoning I feel and has never recruited.
new head coaches always make changes. sometimes there are good reasons and sometimes...'just because'. i think we support day because he's probably going to make a number of changes, in personnel AND schenes.
go bucks...bring back husky pelts
Everyone is looking at the Purdue thing from the wrong direction. The correct question to yesterday's game (and I was in the stadium in the Auburn section) is WHERE THE HELL WAS PRESEASON TOP-10 AUBURN ALL SEASON?! AND HOW THE HELL DID THEY FIND THEMSELVES PLAYING A 6-6 BIG TEN TEAM IN NASHVILLE!?
Seriously, one team was elated to be in a bowl for the second consecutive season and is on the uptick, and the other was a massive disappointment with a roster full of 4 star and 5 star recruits. Give me a break, that game is not a direct indictment of Ohio State. There's very little doubt in my mind that if Ohio State played Purdue yesterday in Nashville the result would have been any different.
I'd feel better about Tate taking over if he would focus more on his game than his Twitter image. Seems like opposing teams and fan bases will have an easy time getting into his head and that could be bad.
Grinch could be leaving? the guy responsible for coaching our secondary? The secondary that seems to get beat frequently or called for pass interference? How will we survive that?
How did we lose to Purdue? All I can figure is that Tyler Trent is a wizard. God bless him.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Late to the thread, but....
1. Purdue would MUCH rather play the Buckeyes at home, than a weak Auburn team in a Dec 28th bowl game. This ain't rocket surgery. They played above themselves, because they wanted it. The Buckeyes were emotionally drained after a gut-wrenching win at Happy Valley. It was a classic recipe for disaster, one that we have experienced multiple times at Ross-Ade. It wasn't the fucking wind.
2. We know you can throw, Tate. We're behind you 100%, because you're a winner. And mostly because you're a Buckeye. Anyone who wants to start a QB who hasn't even committed, let alone been to one single practice, has their head up their ass.
Happy New Year
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
ND again blew its once every 5 years playoff gift.
So, expect the Irish to be back in the playoff in 2023.
Coach of the Year? LOL