Skull Session: Justin Herbert's Decision Helps Dwayne Haskins, J.K. Simmons Talks Buckeyes and Jackson Carman on Urban Meyer's Retirement

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Well, Jackson carman is a total asswipe. So there 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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chris's picture

His attitude fits right in with Dabo and the Tiger faithful as I know them living here in SC.

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PhillyNut's picture

But all of his boys are innocent of anything bad. Especially the THREE, not one, but THREE players who are suspended after their B tests came back positive as well for a banned substance.  I guess they must gel their hair together with not only the same product but the same tube.  Or maybe they were all together in the same salt bath that transferred the substance into all three players. 

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Maybe all three of them got some Ben Gay on their fingers after tackling the same opposing running back who was wearing the Ben Gay on his jock strap? This could be a totally innocent explanation . . .

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ToTheHouse's picture

Or a frat prank spiked drink.

Payback from some year ago poker loss.

Right before the CFP, nah...

What a sic way out of your college fball experience.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

I saw some ESPN numbnut yesterday saying the drug test company must have been the one at fault. Right. If this had been Ohio State they were discussing, they would have been calling for the death penalty.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Typically athletes in that position are respectful, and they would wish Urban Meyer well in his retirement. Not Carman, no sense in taking the high road. Idiot.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I’ll take NPF over him any day of the week. 

Keep fighting CalPoppy

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SoulPatrol32's picture

He didn’t show up to his first camp 50 lbs over his reported weight. 

Keep fighting CalPoppy

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DCDDC's picture

Carmen, he's too stupid to know he did us a favor.

m GO BLOW!!!

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okiebuck's picture

Would'n piss me off one bit if the ND defense gave him the Booby Miles treatment....

The only hard day was yesterday

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unknownmusketeer's picture

total asswipe

Now I get how Clemson plays. 

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nm_buck's picture

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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Nutinpa's picture

The worst thing about that picture is that no retaliation from the Buckeyes followed it.  That told me all I needed to know.

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SantaBarbaraBuck's picture

Please elaborate...

"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
- Cardale Jones

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Wargor's picture

I still say this is the kind of thing that should be handled by a court of law.  When does sexual assault become okay?  Just for three hours on a football field?  Same (though not as serious) as that asswipe who was destroying MSU's logo pre-game.  If I sneak into their stadium at night and do that, they lock me up.  Why not for these adults?

I'm not looking to support dumb lawsuits (of which there are plenty), but if word gets around that there is a price to be paid for being a jackass, we'll see less jackassery.  

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BUCKEYEYANKEE's picture

Word for the Clemson Tigers is OSTARINE! 

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blueblazer22's picture

Yes Haskins should be well ahead of the Duke fellow, but I am even more incredulous as to why Herbert was considered head and shoulders above anyone else. I don’t see that at all, but if that is true then why in earth is he going back to Oregon?

Jackson Carman, please sit down and shut your pie hole. 

Time to read a link about autopsies....

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Silver Sniper's picture

The Dwayne vs. Daniel debate lacks some spice, as neither was considered in the same tier as Herbert.

Who is Herbert and what the hell is Pete Thamel driveling about? Wow, what an awful take. Hopefully he doesn’t actually get paid to  provide this level of analysis.  

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Extramedium's picture

I was going to say, how is Haskins not considered on the same level as some guy I’d never heard of until this article? 

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IGotAWoody's picture

I don't remember Herbert at the Heisman ceremony. If he was there, he was there as a spectator like all but 3 other guys.

Pete Thamel is usually pretty solid, but this is strange analysis. Even a cursory glance at college football this year would tell you that Haskins has been considered to have strong NFL upside for awhile - even before this season, people were talking about his 1st round draft potential.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Lighteyes's picture

I don’t know quite why Herbert is so highly regarded. The articles and media who talk about him as the best QB in this class always always just stated it offhandedly as a fact without actually explaining why they believed it (sample sentence: “Justin Herbert, the best QB in this draft class, and his Oregon Ducks will be playing Stanford this weekend”). He’s a perfect QB specimen physically though and I’m sure that’s a huge part of it.

From what I’ve read, the biggest reason is that Herbert is back is that his brother is playing for Oregon next year and they’ve always always wanted to play on a team together. 

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blueblazer22's picture

His brother being there makes some sense as to why he might return. I am guessing that his family may have some money as well, which would make it essier to pass up being a top 3 pick in the draft to stay and go 9-3. I could be wrong there, but giving up that kind of dough seems off kilter to not want to win a natty or something, which the Ducks are unlikely to do. 

I will agree with the prototypical “look” and I am sure that plays a role, but man how many guys have we seen over the years who look like an NFL qb but can’t play a lick at that level?

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Extramedium's picture

Everyone who thinks it’s a good business decision for football players to play as little football as possible so they can stay safe to play football must think this was a terrible decision.

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

They said the same thing about Christian Hackenburg. Greatest prospect ever, blah blah blah. What is he doing now?

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avail31678's picture

And Oregon returns their entire offense, and a lot on Defense (I think).  They could definitely contend for the Pac-12 title and possibly make waves nationally.

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Buckabroad's picture

Haskins not on the same tier as Herbert? One of these gentlemen graced the Heisman ceremony in NYC, broke all meaningful single-season records in the B1G and destroyed the nation's no. 1 defense ... and that gentleman was not Herbert.

What am I missing here?

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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Ryder's picture

Haskins had moved in front of Herbert on many boards BEFORE Herbert withdrew (including McShay's) so this article is b/s.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

True, but I think that Thamel is suggesting that a potential Haskins/Jones debate doesn't have as much intrigue as Herbert/Haskins would have since both Jones and, to a lesser degree, Haskins, are new to the "top QB in draft" debate. One less storyline, essentially. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

The problem is that he said NEITHER is considered on the same tier as Herbert. That’s where he came off sounding like an imbecile. 

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Mortc15's picture

I’m a buckeye fan through and through and absolutely love Haskins, but Daniel Jones is an NFL level qb. I watched their bowl game and he drops throws in the bucket as well as anyone I’ve seen this year in college. The combine will put both on a level playing field. Well how they stack up. 

Buck-I4Life

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CharlieBuckeye's picture

When will young men - Jackson Carman - just live with the decision they thought best for them and stop throwing shade towards others they are no longer associated with. Just move on with your life and say nothing.

As far as the Hurricanes are concerned - I lived in S. Florida for 15 years and dealt with their arrogance until The Buckeyes won the Natty - the only reason I miss S. Florida now would be tohear their moaning and crying because they like TTUN have not been relevant in years!!!!

GO BUCKEYES!!!!

"To have a great life simply follow this rule:  Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."

Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986

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awlinBrutus's picture

Believe it or not, the canes probably have about the same amount of fans they've always here in South Florida. They just wear their gear on game days. I stopped for happy hour yesterday (my local pub is a stones throw from house) and noticed the canes were in. Once down 14, the few canes fans that were there quit watching and played darts, lol

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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Lighteyes's picture

I have a similar story from a friend who is a Miami fan that I talked to yesterday evening.

Direct quote: “I turned the game off mid third quarter in disgust. A few minutes later, I felt guilty and turned it back on. First play was an ugly-ass pick. Turned that garbage right back off.” 

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semperfibuck's picture

Charlie - do you really know both Criami fans? Who knew?

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DCDDC's picture

Criami.  I love that.  Thanks Semperfibuck.

m GO BLOW!!!

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nm_buck's picture

That's gold, Jerry!!

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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CharlieBuckeye's picture

Semperfibuck - unfortunately I do (or did since I moved from that cesspool 8 years ago to Clearwater) - good guys but delusional - still have not let go of 2002 Natty loss - that is their fallback when they are cornered with the truth about their god awful program

GO BUCKEYES!!!!!

"To have a great life simply follow this rule:  Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."

Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

I hope his neighbors boo him when ever he shows his face at home again. Buckeye nation needs to make sure he knows he is no longer welcome in this great state. Stay in that shit hole calls S. Carolina for the rest of your life.

P.s. I do like the city of Charleston so stay away from there too

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Dillon G's picture

The Dwayne vs. Daniel debate lacks some spice, as neither was considered in the same tier as Herbert

What a load of fake news bullshit narrative. 

#walkaway

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Enough with the "fake news" shit already. It drags politics into the argument unnecessarily and nothing I've seen reported has been fake, anyway. 

At the beginning of the year, Herbert was rated by the pro scouts to be much higher than Haskins, who was still an unknown quantity, largely due to Herbert's size and athleticism and Haskins lack of snaps. Daniel plays for Duke for God's sake, and unless you're a five-star point guard, nobody pays attention to Duke players. It's not really a stretch to say that, since Herbert is coming back for his senior year, the debate between the new guys will not have the same zing as, say, Jared Goff vs. Carson Wentz. Completely fair argument. 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I don't think you understand what "fake news" is.

Dillon G's picture

Fake news is a narrative. It is story telling, not reporting. It can be made up, or even worse, excluding information.

Thamel has been decent when watching on BTN. Nobody outside of an idiot like Sasha Brown is taking Herbert over Haskins.

#walkaway

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fear_the_nut70's picture

That is not the connotation in which that term is used.  Since it has a political reference and you don't really understand the comment, you should refrain from using it.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Thamel is reporting. He's not claiming himself that Herbert is better than Haskins, he's reporting the consensus thought among NFL scouts and GMs. It's not "fake news" that it's consensus among NFL GMs and scouts that Justin Herbert is a better prospect than Dwayne Haskins. That's just true. You can believe that Haskins is better – I do – but that's not what NFL teams think. That's all Thamel is reporting, based on his conversations.

Again, that's not "fake news." Fake news is deliberately incorrect and fabricated information for the purpose of getting you to click on it. It's not a narrative you disagree with. And honestly, this is neither of those.

Dillon G's picture

I have no issue with Thamel. I can see why it might look that way. Anti Ohio State that ESPN pushes,IAW it’s $ 2,000,000,000 deal, dictates put Ohio State down anyway possible. 

The extreme disrespect ESPN showed Haskins regarding the Heisman is part of that narrative.

#walkaway

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Why would ESPN put down Ohio State, one of its most profitable products?

Dillon G's picture

They are paid $2,000,000,000 to do it. The Ohio State and being paid are not mutually exclusive.

#walkaway

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Kevin Harrish's picture

What $2 billion are you talking abou here?

fear_the_nut70's picture

Dillion, you don’t know what you are talking about.  ESPN/ABC has primary rights to many of OSU’s games.  Based on ratings, OSU is very profitable for them.  Those that spout the ESPN anti-OSU b.s.  don’t  seem to understand this.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

This is the worst bowl loss in Miami history that wasn’t unnecessarily extended into overtime by one of the worst displays of officiating the sport has ever seen

leave to Ramzy [again] for this spot on take. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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Dillon G's picture

One of the amazing(in a bad way) things about that game is the officials watched it over and over and takes about it.

He was down. Block in the back a few times. Eh, let’s call it a win.

#walkaway

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Miami fans will probably misread that tweet to suggest the PI call was wrong.

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mittenst8buck's picture

Mr. Carmen...it is funny how the universe works...thanks for securing our natty for the 2019 season.

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Kyson12's picture

I have a feeling Clemson is going to get there’s one of these days and when they do it will be oh so sweet.  The whole program from Dabo to thier players seems greasy. 

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Port Richey Buckeye's picture

I heard they don't grease their fingers before sticking them in buttholes. Rude.

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BuckWilde's picture

Glad I wasn't sipping a cup coffee when I scrolled by that! Well played sir!

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Silver Sniper's picture

I hate rooting for ND but I think I’ll have to make an exception for the Clemmie game. 

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I always wondered why more people didn’t drink Pedialyte after a rough night. I’ve been doing that for 20+ years. 

Keep fighting CalPoppy

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MOBUCKK91's picture

Yup .... our medic for our unit in the military would tell everyone to keep Pedialyte or Gatorade handy ...   

You don't know what you have until it's gone .... for example, toilet paper.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I feel dextrose is the key. 

Keep fighting CalPoppy

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Never thought of that.  Another insta cure for me is a Austrian supplement called Berroca and two Advil.  Doesn't 'matter how depleted I am, back to normal in 20-30 minutes every time.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Port Richey Buckeye's picture

Hey Carman, enjoy getting your butthole fingered in practice everyday you assclown. Go Irish

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FeedZeke420's picture

I hope Notre Dame kicks the shit out of them, cant stand Clemson or this Jackson Carmen idiot. I just wish Urban could have got one more chance to kick their ass.

Go Bucks!

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Buctor's picture

You know, Mr Carmen is right about it being funny how the universe works.  Every time his name comes up I smile too.  It's good when the universe knows what is better for and is kind to my favorite team.  Sometimes us foolish fans see an occurrence as being bad and it actually improves our lives, in that case, actually makes our team better.

So thanks Mr Carmen, for pointing out Coaches move, to the AD office, might be the universe making improvements.  Only time will tell, but overall things have been working out well for OSU football for quite some time now!  Things look bad, then they dramatically improve!!!  Yep, I am smiling again!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Buckabroad's picture

I agree with this. If Carmen had gone to OSU, we might not have secured the services of the no. 1 ranked OT in the class in NPF. Jackie is right, it really is funny how the universe works.

In the meantime, has our diva friend done anything on the field yet to suggest his opinion might interest someone?

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Buckeye fans know a thing or two because we’ve seen a thing or two, uh, make that 62...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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ToTheHouse's picture

This.

Go Gators.

Beat skunk weasels.

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Hovenaut's picture

Read this in J.K's voice.

When asked about Jackson Carmen (sic), I recall my appreciation for NPF.

Go Buckeyes. 

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Drpsychbuck's picture

Here’s hoping Jackson Carmen falls into the depths of oblivion and Clemson takes the beating of a lifetime! Fuck Dabo slack jawed Swinney! 

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semperfibuck's picture

Nah... I am actually rooting for Clemson because I can’t even imagine a universe where I have to take the Domers seriously! :>) Besides, Kelly’s arrogance makes Carmen look like the young ninconpoop that he is.

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hetuck's picture

Do not overindulge on New Years Eve lest you feel crapulous for the Rose Bowl triumph and have to swill Pedialyte. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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buckeyenut74's picture

Shows me Carman’s decision was not made for the right reasons. Why would he care at this point?  He was recruited by Ohio State, not like they told him to get lost. He will have a miserable life if this is how he lives it. 

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DCDDC's picture

He is playing at Clemson, how much worse can it get?

m GO BLOW!!!

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adrianbuck's picture

can not believe I am actually going to root for n.d. but with that being said, I WOULDNT PISS IN DABOS MOUTH,IF HIS BRAIN WAS ON FIRE !

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nm_buck's picture

In this instance, I'll have no problems rooting for ND. I hate Clemson. Always have, always will.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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73buckeye's picture

Ditto Nm. I've hated them since "The Punch". Go ND. 

ernie

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buckeyenut74's picture

Yeah. I want ND to win the whole thing. I usually don’t root for them. 

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allinosu's picture

If you really want to screw them then don't watch.

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southbuc's picture

Cmon guys. The only thing here that benefits us is ND getting blasted and being left out every year going forward because of it. And besides TtUN who should a buckeye fan hate worse than those Domers? 

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brband64's picture

Thank you for "crapulous," Kevin - it has helped embiggen my vocabulary.

"Maybe the Big Ten is not that bad. Maybe it's pretty damn good.'' ~ Urban Meyer

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The Yaniac's picture

Hope the B1G goes 8-1 this year in the bowls. Hopefully everyone here kno
ws who the 1 is.

scUM sucks chump

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TNT's picture

Yep. So far, so good. 2 B1G teams not favored to win won by a combined score of 69-13.

And our 2 bowl-eligible non-conference opponents won their games, too.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Thanks Jackson.  We are quite happy with how things worked out too.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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TMac's picture

Also a good tweet (and game) from Bucky. 

ONE Not Done!

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1MechEng's picture

I saw this. It's a very underappreciated tweet.

Thanks for posting it here.

Trust me! I'm an Engineer.

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Schizo's picture

JK Simmons is fantastic in Counterpart. It's basically a sci-fi twist on a cold war spy thriller. 

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Saxhorn's picture

Re: bad officiating at the OSU-Miami championship in 2002. That sentiment goes both ways. Plenty of penalties not called against Miami, including one which would have ended the game in regulation in OSU’s favor. 

Saxhorn

OSUMB 64-70

H-3, M-6

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LoufromOSU's picture

That was Ramzy's point.

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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BucksHave7's picture

Bullcrap, that was pass interference!

Secondly, Miami had its chances and couldnt score from the 1 yard line on 1st down. If you cant score from 1 yard line on 1st down, you are not a national championship team.  Sorry. 

BucksHave7

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I thought it was PI but at least I can admit it was debatable.  I saw an earlier hold on a receiver getting off the line that was not called.  And of course, the lack of a PI call that would have sealed the game in regulation never gets talked about.  Most fans can't be honest and/or because of recency/primacy, will only go to that PI call in the end zone as if that is all that mattered (in part I think because of the unwritten rule not to call PI on the last play unless it is obvious, which to me, is complete bullshit, but is a thing).

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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BucksHave7's picture

LOL....Is it even questionable if the DB is playing the ball in the endzone? 

BucksHave7

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Bucks62's picture

Reread Ramzy’s tweet. He is saying the same thing you are. 

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hetuck's picture

And a third down catch that was inbounds. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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nm_buck's picture

... and the reception was made after the receiver was held not once, but TWICE... before making a clear reception.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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hetuck's picture

I wonder if I can get odds on Columbus and Birmingham being the two biggest TV markets for the first round of the NFL draft? 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Glad we didnt get Jackson Carman. Kid sounds like a locker room cancer who would have torn up the fabric of the culture Urban and Day have built. Gonna enjoy seeing NPF start and get drafted and watch Carman be fat on the Clemson sidelines.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Has Carman played yet? Or even sniffed the two deep? Honest question because i have no idea. 

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TMac's picture

Jackson is in the two deep, back up at Ltackle, has played 195 snaps over 11 games.

ONE Not Done!

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Biennial Field Rusher's picture

Love the dig at Carman. Has that kid even cracked the 2-deep at Clemson? Football aside, NPF was a much better get as far as personality and character goes.

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Art Harrell's picture

Jackson Carmen...the player... Buckeye Nation enjoy's laughing at...now Jackson go back to sleep...nobody cares...Fuck Jackson...Fuck Clemson...Fuck Dab-Blow...Go Irish...Go Coach Meyers...Go Bucks

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Ryder's picture

He may force me to to become an Irish fan for one game..........and that's a pretty tough thing for me .

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TMac's picture

Don't do it, ND is going to get steam rolled. 

ONE Not Done!

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Jackson Carman went to Clemson to get away from hometown expectations and because he was told Urban would retire soon. OSU told him that wasn't the case. Urban ended up retiring two years later, so technically, Dabo was right, but totally lying at the time. So to leave b/c Meyer was retiring is valid and reason enough to vindicate the decision. To revel in being right because Urban's brain cyst is going berserk and forcing him to end his career is immature but if I'm being honest, not surprising. Whether or not Carman becomes an elite player, I'm glad he didn't end up here. Wouldn't fit in with the culture at all.

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ToTheHouse's picture

Just saw where recent cruit Cade Stover (Lexington, Oh.) received Richland County's 1st Mr. Football !

Also he was 247Sports Gatorade Player of the Year in Oh.

Now to the next level, get in Mickys dojo.

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OSU2002Grad's picture

Notre Dame is going to beat Clemson. It just feels like Clemson hasn’t had to play anybody with a pulse all year. Their secondary is kind of a mess and they’re missing Dexter Lawrence. Their freshman quarterback will be facing constant pressure and Notre Dame will be keyed on Etienne. 

Notre Dame by 10.

I think Alabama beats Oklahoma pretty badly and then embarrasses the Irish in the title game again.

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

  would like you to be correct, but I am not so sure.  The Clemson QB is the real deal and is clearly an NFL talent. If ND doesn't have an answer for him it will be very difficult for them to come out on top so they better be able to apply that constant pressure or he will fillet them imo.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Does anyone either going to Rose Bowl or not know where OSU fans are gathering the night before?  Last time I went to CA for USC game, there was an alumni gathering at a bar in Hollywood (accidentally bumped into Mr. TwoHeismans, cool guy, cool moment).  I can't seem to find anything on the inter webs.  Info would be greatly appreciated!!

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

There's this Buckeye Bash:

Dec. 31, 2018 
3–4 p.m. PT

Microsoft Square at LA Live 
741-775 Chick Hearn Court 
Los Angeles, CA 90015

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Thanks for the info.  I was wondering if anything was going on the night before, it being NYE and all.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

How can it possibly be said that these dominant performances by B1G teams doesn’t help our overall perception? MN and WI crushed their “superior” opponents. And when Purdue hangs 45 on Auburn and beats them by 30, where will the SEC chanters’ god be then? And that’s gonna happen. I’m so bitter. Grrr

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

It helps overall perception, of which I, and others don't care.  For many of us, the question is, does it impact whether OSU gets into the playoffs? Eg. last year, B1G went 8-1 in bowls.  This lead to more B1G teams being ranked preseason this year, but it did NOT lead to a 1 loss OSU getting into the playoffs (not saying they should have, just explaining the difference).  What determined OSU's fate primarily was their results on the field, and secondarily, the real (not perceived) strength of the conference this year.  So I guess my objection is that reality controls, not perception, at least according to the playoffs, which is the context in which most of us care about conference strength. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

But should it not? The conventional wisdom with the SEC, and virtually all other P5 conferences, is that they’re playing the best when they play themselves. B1G had bes OOC performance again this season, and looks to be having another solid bowl season. When Purdue beats the #2 program in the SEC, why doesn’t this shatter the SEC myth? I get it that Auburn is down and GA is up, but Auburn is historically and reputation wise second best.  I’m gonna say that when Purdue thumps them there’s gonna be alot of “well, maybe that OSU loss was more understandable” talk. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Just being brutally honest, but the SEC perception/reality was built on winning 6 titles in 7 years, or whatever it was (can't even remember any more, it all blends together).  It wasn't built on one lone conference title followed by your conference's teams get crushed 31-0 and 38-0 in playoff games.  I know B1G fans don't want to hear this, but it is the truth.  What you are pulling for very well could happen if the B1G goes on that kind of a historic run, but since I see the chances of that happening as almost zero, I am not prepared to root for the likes of Penn State and Michigan in bowl games.  You do it if it makes you feel better, but I can't...

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

The BS perception is exactly what allowed them to win those championships. The SEC always gets the benefit of the doubt, and undeservedly so. There’s absolutely no reason Alabama should have made the last five playoffs. Their schedules each year are utter garbage. But because SEC they get in despite chickenshit Saturday, 8 conference games, and no road OOC games. They don’t deserve to get in over teams that play legit 12 game conferences against all FBS opponents. Heretical, I know, but I will say it until the day I die. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Let me give you one recent example.  We were told that it was BS that two SEC teams got in last year out of 4.  So what happened, they each won their semi game and played damn near even in the final.  Is that BS?

As or the schedule thing, don't get me wrong, I don't like the way Alabama games the schedule, but other than losing to us and Clemson on a last second score, both close games, can you honestly say that Bama wasn't one of the 4 best teams chosen each year?  You are committing the fallacy of believing a team isn't one of the best simply because they haven't beaten the best teams leading up to the playoff games.  That is a fallacy because it can always remain the case that a team could beat better teams if they played them, which has mostly happened when Bama got in.  At some point, the proof is in the putting as they say.  Sucks because I don't think it is good for the game, but if the selection criteria doesn't change to penalize that kind of scheduling, then the B1G needs to play 8 conference games and a cupcake in November too.

Now, as for 2011, don't get me started.  Alabama had no business getting in over Okie State, who had one loss an  the better SOS (humans over rode the computers with people like Saban dropping OSU down on purpose).  And 2 loss LSU had no business playing for the title in 2007 losing to two four loss teams.  So some of their perception was built on getting the unearned benefit of the doubt, but not most of it.  At some point, we look foolish trying to argue that the best SEC teams haven't been better than the best teams from other conferences since about 2006--simply too much data.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Not sure what you mean by "the real (not perceived) strength of the conference this year," as if any "real" assessment concerning the strength of the Big Ten in late November could transcend perceptions.

Are you talking about the pre-bowl aggregate record of Big Ten teams in out-of-conference games? I get that the Big Ten probably under-performed against expectations in September, but it still did way better than the ACC, which got two teams in the playoff. 

And late November is two months after late September. Any late-November assessment of how Big Ten teams might have improved in those two months necessarily would have been heavily based in perceptions. As new actual "real" data start to come in - bowl games involving Big Ten teams - the late-November perceptions get tested against reality.        

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Thanks for asking, I would like to explain.  Perceived strength would be the preseason AP rankings that are based largely on things like bowl results the year before.  B1G went 8-1, and we had what, 7 teams in the top 25 to start (not sure on the number, but it is close).  Real strength can only be measured at the end of the season after all bowl games are in.  So far, based on OOC games, the B1G has taken a hit, but obviously a great bowl season could rectify this a bit.  Loosely stated, perception is based on forecasting perceived strength (preseason AP poll) and real strength is an assessment after all games are played. 

BTW, I know ND has a deal with the ACC to play 6 games a year, but saying that the ACC got two teams in is a bit disingenuous, particularly as it pertains to ND (even if you say wink wink, they are a ACC team, they went undefeated with what would be an aggressive OOC schedule to include traditional powers UM and USC, plus Stanford).  Even if you don't like the schedules of either Clemson or ND, it is hard to go undefeated, and any team from a major conference that does it should get in.  Period.  (at least that is my opinion).

We agree on your last paragraph, which was essentially my point.  I don't believe, for example, that OSU was left out because of B1G conference strength perception.  I know you didn't exactly say this, but some are straight out saying it or hinting at it, and I think it is disingenuous (no, I didn't get a word of the day calendar for Christmas.  Why do you ask?).

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

By including ND as an ACC team, I was being only halfway tongue-in-cheek. They did after all play five games against ACC teams. Obviously, they're in the ACC full-time for basketball.  If you want to say that the ACC got 1.5 teams in the playoff, maybe that's - figuratively speaking - more "accurate" than my snarky comment that they got two teams in. 

Besides, we'd be doing the ACC a favor by including ND in any assessment of real/perceived conference strength, because the conference's record in out-of-conference games is terrible this season! It's still bad if we include ND's wins, but not as bad. It wasn't ND's fault that Stanford and USC were down this season, but - as of right now - the ACC/ND's perceived strength far outweighs its real results (maybe that will change over the next week).       

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You know it is funny, I knew you were being a bit tongue and cheek.  But even the way you attempt to reframe it as 1.5 ACC teams shifts the argument from, "did we get the best 4" to "which conferences are best," even if only slightly.  I really think fans need to get away from this.  It used to be very important when it was 2 teams, but honestly, it really isn't that important any more.  Win all your games or lose 1 close one (and win your conference), and you will almost ALWAYS be in.  Until we see something else from the Committee, why are people so hung up on trying to figure out which conference is best?

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

But the argument/question of "which are the best 4" is heavily based in perceptions. When the four team playoff was introduced, I strongly supported it and argued against future expansion. I still believe that 4 is, in theory, the best model. The problem is, in reality, it is highly prone to corruption.

You know the old cliche, perfect is the enemy of the good . . . we will need to go to a less perfect 8 team model because of the inherent corruption problems with this 4 team model. Under an 8 team model, you will be pleased to discover that fans tend to be less fixated on the "which conferences are best" arguments.  

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Corruption is a strong word.  I would ask for support for this but we both know there is none.  Just opinions masquerading as hyperbole.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

It seems like such a strong word because people forget that corruption has different meanings. It doesn’t just mean politicians (or commissioners) taking money under the table, i.e. graft, which no one thinks is happening with the playoff committee.

Corruption also refers to the decay that can happen to institutions when their missions, values, goals, etc. rest on unsound foundations. No money changes hands, but the integrity of the institution is corrupted. 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Wisconsin hammering the U made me smile. Wisconsin scoring with 8 seconds left made me smile even more.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

I loved that. Right up there with the famous “turnover chain my f’in ass” lip read from Cryst last year when those two teams played.

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Sheridanclan11's picture

Wisconsin's victory over Miami reminded me again that no Southern team wants anything to do with cold weather football. I would love to see an 8 team playoff with the first round done at home stadiums. The potential of teams like Florida, Alabama, Clemson, LSU coming to Columbus, South Bend, or Madison to play in December would be very interesting. 

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

Has Brian Snead put in for a transfer?

Mark May is a mental midget

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Upstate Buckeye's picture

Watching the Auburn game and shaking my head on how we loss to these guys...

Thank you Urban

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