Don’t believe a word Dabo says.
Feed the trolls
Dexter Lawrence is a loss, but the other two players are backups so I don't think they'll be horribly missed in the Cotton Bowl. Even without Dexter Lawrence, DL is Clemson's deepest position by far, so I think they'll be fine.
More of a black eye here than anything.
Given their opponent, I'm thinking their second and third string Dline would more than suffice to get the victory.
I guess I am in the minority but I think ND is going to crush them. Clemson can't score. Bigger the stage the wilder their freshman QB is at times. They can flat out bog down and not move the ball or score..
I've got ND playing Oklahoma..
Part of me agrees with you, although I think Oklahoma stands a better chance of beating Bama than ND does in beating Clemson, but it will be interesting to see how both Bama and Clemson perform once they finally play someone who is very good and not an overrated TAM, LSU, or (8 P5 win) UGA.
“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman
Oh man, I hope you're right! I don't think you are though.
I've got Clemson and Bama. Oklahoma plays a defense that can hold them under 50 and their defense will be lucky to make Bama punt. Clemson's defense is way better than ND's offense. Clemson will have to turn it over several times to give ND a chance IMO.
I don’t think Bama is going to slow down kyler and company though. Fromm is a good QB, but not elite. He torched them. Bamas secondary is not elite. Sooners have a very good ol to give Kyler time. ESPN would have you believe that Bama is going to win 50-0...I don’t see it happening. Tua supposedly at 80-85% health too...
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
A drug that is used to help increase muscle mass....at Clemson? Dabo is the epitome of clean
"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"
I think the best thing to do here would be to fire Dabo and disband the Clemson football program
Imagine if this were OSU. The outrage would be off the charts.
Sports Illustrated would have the sequel to How Deep It Went teed up for Thursday.
Tailgate Fare Historical Archive
And a permanent NCAA ban for Dabo.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
Absolutely, the death penalty should be in order.
"This particular substance can come from anything," Swinney said. "And these three players have no clue -- in fact, they thought it was a joke when I called them. They have no clue how this has gotten in their system. It could come from hair products. It could come from a cream. It could come from protein. It could come from a product that you order or buy online that you think there's nothing wrong with it. It could be anything. Literally, it could be a drink -- something in a drink."
"Old minds are like old horses; you must exercise them if you wish to keep them in working order."
Yes, yes Dabo. Something that can be found in "literally anything" is a banned substance.
He must be thinking of Vitamin D.
I'm surprised Harbaugh didn't suggest chicken.
Nick doesn't pretend to be a saint so I take him like a take Jimbo or Switzer and Jimmie Johnson back in the day.
Dabo... however, KNOWS what the Sec is famous for, having played at Bama.(ACC ain't much different) He's no more "above I've it all" than anyone else. His choir boy act is going to bite him in the ass when...eventually...like the CFP type program it is ...is exposed.
Not saying that it's terrible there or it's anything like the Southwest Conference circa 1983...but...yeah.. you've got three players juicing...be happy that more weren't expose. (as I cross my fingers no Buckeyes get similar results :-)
Merry Christmas, Dabo, glad you got at least three lumps of coal in your condom...er...stocking.
"Give your dream an aspiration date."
If there are three, there are more.
Dabo told them it's BYOPED at Clemson.
Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege.
Tyrion: A wedding.
What is ostarine?
Ostarine is the trademarked name for a Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator (SARM) that is not approved for human use or consumption in the U.S., or in any other country. In recent years, WADA has reported an increasing number of positive tests involving SARMs, and athletes who use these substances most likely obtain them through black market channels.
Ssuuurrree, it was taken unknowingly ...
They probably stepped in some of it while walking barefoot at the beach. That's usually how football players get exposed to it.
Reading the first page of this substance profile, having any of this stuff in your system is highly unlikely to have ingested it through any legal product.
The biggest problem initially is Dabo is taking the “we’d all probably test positive for something” approach instead of dealing with it.
This. Players testing positive for drugs is no real shocker, but a coach straight up lying about it speaks volumes about his character (or lack thereof)
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
Dabo is laying the groundwork for all of those "poppyseed bagels" he eats.
And yet most of the players on all teams don't...strange.
This could happen to any team including us. Let's not get all MgoBoard and start pretending like our little angels never get in trouble and the only reason Clemson blew the god damned doors off us in the playoffs was these players taking drugs or whatever. We're better than those fucking clowns over there at MGo, let's stay that way. Sucks for Clemson. I'm sure our day will come again. Here's my preemptive good karma, Universe. Go easy on me when it's our time.
Love this. Merry Christmas Bro
Clemson student. GO BUCKS!
You must be fun at parties.
@Buckeye3m I mean I'm advocating for Buckeye fans to stop being Narcs about a few Clemson players getting a dirty piss test. I'm the one keeping the party going if we're getting technical lol
The biggest issue I have with failing a piss test is that teams typically manage all this stuff in house until you get to the conference championship games, bowl games and beyond. Noah Spence had tested positive for X, yet we didn’t know a thing about it until we got to the championship game and control of the test results was out of our hands and in the hands of the conference. It always makes me wonder when guys like Peppers, who never played in a bowl game. Was he eligible to? We he punched a window one year and was ruled out due to the hand injury, was that a reaction?
I have no doubt that any and all teams are giving players supplements to get bigger, faster and stronger. No doubt. But there clearly is a line. I just wish we knew more about how many times it gets crossed.
There is a huge difference between in house testing and NCAA mandated testing. The tests before bowl games are run by the NCAA I believe. A program can test you as much as you want and set their own rules.
Noah Spence failed an NCAA test around the time of the B1GCG if I recall. They tested the B sample and then the NCAA properly handled it.
I'm advocating for Buckeye fans to stop being Narcs about a few Clemson players
And I'm advocating for you to stop sounding like a self-righteous asshole
Shandy is not beer
Now we know who has been downvoting posts critical of Clemson on this thread.
Did you not watch what happened back in July through September with ZS? We're still cleaning shit off of our heads from that. I feel no remorse for Clemson whatsoever especially considering Dabo loves to bury other programs on the recruiting trail as part of his pitch. Fuck him and fuck his team.
Not to mention their band performing a "31-0" formation during halftime of a game.
We owe Clemson a fucking ass kicking.
Amen to that.
Exactly!! Dabo is a slim bag of the highest order! He’s going to get his day of hell and so will Clemson as they have always been a dirty program!
Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987
Mike Hill and Noah Brown both tested positive. Hill chose to return and served his suspension; Brown chose to avoid his and move on to the NFL, where he was drafted by the Cowboys !
There's a huge difference here tho. I don't care what game it is or what players it was, Urban would have suspended them for this. Dabo is trying to sweep a known violation under the rug to protect his wins. Huge difference.
Remind who the last tOSU player to fail for PED's....
A gentle reminder to BE NICE. Plays guitar and makes iced tea in the winter.
Noah Spencer. Ecstasy is considered a performance-enhancing drug by the NCAA. At the time, OSU didn't test for it in-house.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
They must have, because the positive test from the 2013 B1G CCG was his second positive test for a PED, which was why he got banned from the B1G forever. The NCAA considered it a recreational drug, which would’ve gotten him a two game suspension. That’s all.
A real PED man... take some ex and go play football and see what happens. Your fucking heart will explode.
The B1G considered it a PED. The NCAA did not. The suspension was from the conference.
A bunch of idiot suits laughably considering ex as a PED isn't really the point. The point is the guy I replied to is going on about how this could happen to us at any moment, but in 20-ish years as a Buckeyes fans I honestly cannot remember one of our players being testing positive and being suspended for PED's, let alone 3 at the same time. That's why I was asking seriously if anyone knew the last player who did. So besides a recreational drug being stupidly classified as a PED, who's the last player of ours who got caught using a real PED?
I don’t recall any, although TTUNfans will teal you that it’s most of the team. Every year.
This article references that a paper reported two players dieting the Cooper era, but I don’t recall it being true.
Now we know the foundation of Dabo Swindler's success at Clem$iN.
Drugs and negative recruiting- I see a pattern now.
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
Reminds me of the sports culture in Russia. Way to go Swinney!
"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."
Wait, wait, wait. I was told this fall that a coach is responsible for everyone and everything that happens within his program, whether at the school or a private residence. Therefore, it appears Dabo has failed to properly monitor his players and should immediately serve a minimum 3 game suspension. Also, every sports personality should attack him nonstop for not knowing everything his players were doing.
Did the Clemson captains fail to do the proper safeguard against this?
This is not like takeing something for a cold/flu but way more serious:
"This type of SARM(selective androgen receptor module)cannot only retain lean body mass but as well as increase it"
Some of the other benefits include:
Increased lean mass gains
Joint healing abilities
Anabolic (even at doses as low as 3 mg)
Dabo is not stupid, he knew!!!
Cue the excuses from Irish fans.
Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
If Clemson was a doctor.
I'm just glad they are not pointing fingers.
Or grabbing crotches
I tend to believe that they didn't intentionally take ostarine. But I also believe they willingly put something in their body that they thought would help them out. It was probably some type of supplement they picked up that advertises as being for sports performance or something. It's a massive problem with dietary/herbal supplements in general. They are not regulated or inspected like over the counter drugs are, and they frequently either contain things that aren't on the label, or don't have any/as much of the stuff they say is actually in it. You have to be really careful when considering these products, and make sure that they have proper manufacturing oversight and inspections. I don't want to lump all supplement companies into the same boat, because there are reputable ones out there. But until proven otherwise, buyer beware.
No D-1 athlete should use any supplement whatsoever without getting it approved by the team nutritionist.
My daughter is a D-1 athlete and I just asked her what their policy is and she said that anything but Tylenol or Motrin requires her to turn in paperwork and get it approved before ingesting.
Not sure why I've been downvoted for that, honestly. They should still absolutely be suspended if the stuff is actually in their system, regardless of if they took it on purpose or they took some random GNC stuff that was spiked with it. It's still there, and they'd be getting the supposed performance boost.
My above comment was more of a PSA about the dangers of the unregulated supplement industry.
+1 to offset..agreed Tshell
Any athlete at this level that consumes his grandma's special recipe tonic, let alone supplements purchased from ANYONE should be suspended for stupidity alone. Advil and NOTHING that is not provided by the University. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
Dabo is such a bullshitter.
Aww shucks. Shucky darns.
Ostarine was initially developed precisely to prevent muscle wasting diseases. It is the only SARM that is still in clinical trials (by GTx), while all other SARMs proved to be too toxic for human use [R]. Ostarine is also used by bodybuilders and athletes to increase muscle mass and performance.Oct 29, 2018
There are in fact products that contain ostarine, but only illegal ones. Given thatostarine is not approved for human use or consumption in the U.S., or in any other country, there are no legal medications that contain ostarine. ... For example,ostarine may also be called enobosarm, MK-2866, or GTx-024.Feb 6, 2017
Just a little information to show how idiotic and uninformed Dabo sounds
"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public"---H.l. Mencken
Yeah I'd say that sounds like "literally anything" to me.
AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built
You didn’t have to post anything for me to know how idiotic Dabo sounds.
Well I will say that ever since I have been eating at Taco Bell, my stomach muscle is bigger.
Well I will say that ever since I have been eating at Taco Bell, my stomach muscle is bigger.
Lol! Keep telling yourself that's a muscle.
Let's see how fast Brett McMurphy jumps on this implying Dabo knew of this and covered it up..............
Bucks Fan since 1970
He'd just say Urban is somehow connected to it and therefore responsible. McMurphy's vendetta is solely against Urban, that's been blatantly clear since he foolishly published the Zach Smith/Trevon Grimes racial slur bullshit. He doesn't give a rat's ass what sins other P5 coaches may or may not be committing.
haha, he's the one that broke that their second tests came back positive... but hasn't said anything about dabo covering it up... :\
Is it bad that I was hoping I it was Carmen involved when I first saw this ???
" we play to win the game "
So I’ll chime in here since I’ve used ostarine and I’m very educated on it. First off ostarine is not going to be much of an advantage for these guys. It’s best use is to build/preserve muscle while calorie deficient. It’s almost impossible to build muscle and lose fat simultaneously. This is what I used ostarine for. I was doing keto with intermittent fasting and dropped 150lbs and got decently ripped over the course of a little over a year. This type of use is what ostarine really shines in. It is not a steroid and, while I did only take it in 30 day cycles, there isn’t a massive after effect like with steroids. The effect in someone not calorie deficient is pretty minimal.
Ostarine is not illegal. It is also not approved for human consumption. What this means is you can legally posses it and companies can legally sell it, just not with specific instructions for consumption. The biggest issue with ostarine is it ended up in A LOT of supplements without being listed as an ingredient. I honestly believe that they had no idea because ostarine would t be the thing to go for if you are wanting serious gains when eating a calorie surplus and having all of the dietary, supplement, and facilities access of a major d1 football program. What most likely happened is they got a supplement that had ostarine in it, but it was not a listed ingredient. This was their mistake if this is the case. They shouldn’t be taking supplements without clearing it through their s&c program first, and I’m sure their s&c program has all of the supplements they need. Possibly a buddy was like hey man this supplements will get you the gains man and it’s totally legal man with no banned substances. That is the most likely scenario.
So in this case I actually believe Dabo. You aren’t going to knowingly pick ostarine if going for a banned (as per NCAA) substance to gain strength/muscle.
Your arguement doesn’t make sense. If it is not approved for human consumption why was it in a supplement?
further if said supplement was reviewed by the nutritionist they would not have nixed it because of a substance which was not listed.... because it was not listed.
Ostarine IS illegal, "
Ostarine AKA MK-2688 is an illegal Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator or (SARM). This is a special type of molecule which binds to the skeletal muscle and bone androgen receptors and not to any other androgen receptors.
yeah im gonna have to report this guy to the feds for taking banned illegal substances
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
Actually players are given a list of sports drinks they are not allowed to drink. Yes sports drinks. Drinks they sell at the markets inside the sports facilities have banned substances in them. It’s insane. I can honestly believe this happened by mistake. For example, vitamin water flavor XXX has banned substances in it that will make you test positive.
Vitamin water: yuck.
This is college, not elementary school. They can read the list, no??? Why do the other 97% of schools NOT fail this test????
Hey, I’m not saying these dudes aren’t idiots. I’m just saying you are given a 2 or 4 page document front and back with small font lol
This is college, not elementary school.
Well it's Clemson soo....
Nothing to see here, not OSU.
I’m currently a college athlete, I’ve never been given a list of things to not drink/eat. The way the whole supplements/drugs/whatever is explained to us is that there are three levels. The class one level gives you a 33% chance to fail, class two gives 66% chance and class three gives you 99% (you’re going to fail). Basically the testing entity (I believe it’s called Drug Free Sport) tests all products and then puts them on a list. But similar to what other people say, I fill out a sheet with all supplements, prescriptions, etc. that has to be cleared by my athletic trainer.
Urban Meyer’s fault.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it
Dabo needs to look into it and deal with it objectively and not take "my players don't do that approach". If Meyer was responsible for his team and coaches, then Dabo needs to man up and do the same. I'm not holding my breath that McMutt with make a huge breaking story out of this either........his agenda only dealt with thrashing Meyer.
Everyone have a great Christmas and Go Buckeyes!
Dabo’s a scumbag like all the rest of them. Just shut up about it and wait and see what comes from it. You look like a clown trying to blow it off. Jack wagon.
I swear Clemson is cheating big time. They went from middle of the road to national power overnight. Reminds me of Ole Miss.
i can’t wait until they get busted.
I work for the company who develops RAD 140. You can readily buy SARMs including ours from a variety of sites with instructions on how to take them and for how long. Congress has been trying to ban them in the US. Because none have been approved and they can be snthesized companies are selling them as supplements which is the wild west of unregulation. Google “SARMs for you” for all if your purchasing needs. Can they accidentally get into a supplement? maybe? But in realitity these players were more than likely knowingly taking this and are not good at math calculating clearance times. Dabo comments are a joke.... it was just a sliver! Kinda like Tressell saying but they were small tattoos! He should resign! He KNEW!!! LOL
I know of only two things that are infinite, space and human stupidity.....and I'm not sure about space". Albert Einstein.
Except getting tattoos, big or small, didn't give anyone an unfair advantage
Wonder how long it will take ESecPN and Brett McMurphy to blast both of these programs? Might be awhile, considering both of these schools are not in the Big Ten and are two of their favorites. No surprise Dabo won't admit any wrong doing. Sooner or later it's gonna catch up with those guys.
I gotta say, this one is DEFINITELY Urban's Fault.
Dabo is right!
...and his girlfriend said she got STDs from a tractor seat.
I thought she got it from the Clemson slide.
Maybe they need new test procedures at Clemson.....
If the tests were administered at the conference title games, when did ND get tested?
I always thought hillbilly Dabo was more of a tithes and offerings guy.
From 1978 to 1998 (Ford (11 seasons), Hatfield (4), and West (5)), Clemson averaged 8.6 wins and 3.5 losses. From 1999 to 2008 (T. Bowden 9 seasons) and Dabo (7 games in 2008), Clemson averaged 7.6 wins and 4.8 losses.With the exception of the 1981 12-0 national championship team in 1981 (followed by NCAA probation for recruiting violations from 1982-1984) and a few 10 or 11 win season sprinkled in over a 30 year period, Clemson was a fairly average football team. The ACC during this time was even a worse football conference than it is today.
In Dabo's first two full seasons, 2009 (9-5) and 2010 (6-7), he was a coach on the hot seat. He hires Chad Morris in 2011 and Venables in 2012. From 2009 through 2018 so far, Clemson has averaged 11 wins and 2.7 losses. Dabo successfully replaced Morris and some other assistants during that time, but he hasn't had to replace Venables (yet). But for roughly 30 of the last 40 years, Clemson has been an average 8-4 team. Dabo's first two years were just a smidge below that average at 7.5 wins, 6 losses. And then it just went ballistic. Things that make you go "hmm."
Not sure if its just good staff hires, good recruiting, or dirty stuff and tithes and offerings, but color me skeptical.
"This is further proof of Urban Meyer's corruption" - Brett Mcmurphy (probably)
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A 340 lb. defensive lineman tests positive for a substance to increase muscle mass and decrease body fat and it was in a hair product according to Dabo. Too bad my head hasn't felt a comb for about three decades.
Barry Bonds used “The Clear”, which wasn’t ingested. He did it, he got caught, he should just own it. The NFL investigators find all kinds of stuff that fan bases never knew about, and they’ll do the same with Lawrence. Best to be honest about things now.
What’s the big deal? It’s not like they were caught on video using deer antler spray. /S
Five year Show Cause, and penalty for lack of institutional control.
McMutt still hasn't make the headlines on this- maybe he's on Christmas Holiday Break?
If anyone thinks ESPN isn't extremely biased, I just watched the minn/gt game and during halftime they just kept emphasizing how 3 Clemson players were suspended for banned substances and right in the lower corner of the tv screen they had a little box saying ala/Clemson each had 3 players suspended. No mention of Alabama whatsoever until a little 3 second mention of them as they were going to commercial. I understand they own the network and can cover stuff how they like, but for people to act like ESPN treats the SEC the same as other leagues is wrong.
I have zero, and I mean zero doubt that if this was OSU, ESPN would run it 24/7 nonstop until either players were suspended or removed and coaches were fired and university slapped with the death penalty.
In lieu of Cincy's wrath... I will go ahead and proclaim that ESPN is a most noble network, and accept your apology for accusing ESPN of being anything but unequivocally unbiased.
In lieu of Cincy's wrath... I will go ahead and proclaim that ESPN is a most noble network, and accept your apology for accusing ESPN of being anything but unequivocally unbiased.
This is categorically stupid and proves you haven't the slightest clue what I am "defending". Carry on.
Cincy... I love what you do on here. Whatever the hell is your purpose, I love your consistency. You are right beside Buck68 on my Mt. Rushmore of 11Wers.
ESECPN will always shun or trash the Buckeyes. They actually have been spinning hairball and ttun more when they have accomplished much less the last few years. Kind of wondering if ttun alumni are sending some $$$$ their way.
Sooooo what are the odds this failed test drops Lawrence to the Browns pick in the 2nd round?
Good question- it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
B samples came back positive.....They cannot play.
Thanks - been curious about this one.
If this were tOSU players — it would be non-stop/24-7 “Breaking News” on eSECpn, the CNN of sports media
It would be a lack of institutional control issue.
He's baaack! You deserve a medal for persistence....get kicked off the site for being an asshat, create a new identity, get kicked off for being an asshat, and on and on and on.
Anyone see Tom Rinaldi interview Dexter Lawrence? It was much different than when he sat down with a transparent Urban Meyer.
He basically believed every word that Lawrence had to say and questioned nothing.
lol ESPN's coverage of this...the narrative is: Clemson is completely shocked and has no idea how these players tested positive. I wonder if the coverage would be different if this were Ohio State.
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
Sounds about right....Typical ESPN- I expect nothing less from them.
i've seen in some reports that the amount is around 0.02% - not sure if that's a typo, but if not, there is no way that they didn't know they were ingesting this. also, why wouldn't the random drug testing test more of the players as a result? it's an anabolic steriod isn't it?
Looks like they are potentially facing a one year suspension- But they didn't know.....
"Clemson University football coach Dabo Swinney underscored the team’s urgency.
On Dec. 20, three Clemson players — starting defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence, offensive lineman Zach Giella and tight end Braden Galloway— were disqualified from competition after drug tests revealed trace amounts of ostarine, a banned anabolic substance utilized primarily to generate lean muscle.
A B sample also returned positive on Dec. 27. The players missed the Cotton Bowl College Football Playoff semifinal and could miss the National Championship Game, if an appeal is denied or not processed in time for kickoff Jan. 7.
“We don't have a lot of time for this game,” Swinney said Monday during a media teleconference. “I’m hopeful that maybe something positive will come out.”
RELATED: Ostarine and company: The NCAA has a long list of banned substances
Clemson is fortunate that the committee that will hear its appeal is obligated by NCAA policy to operate will that same urgency"