Skull Session: Justin Fields Trending To Ohio State, Shea Patterson Returns to Michigan, and Comparing Nick Bosa to Other Top Defensive Ends

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

The only stat or measure I’ll say I’m sure they got wrong with Nick Bosa is the “bend” portion. If he’s not #1 in that category I’ll eat my own hat. That shoelace sack he had against mayfield when he was literally moving forward while he could smell the turf and still made the tackle was something I’ll never forget 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Buctor's picture

Regardless who makes these list, they are opinion.  

Many things have been said about opinions.

Mine is that predictions would be more accurate if there were actual methods to measure things like "want to" or at least measurements as good as measuring forty times!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Homey1970's picture

When looking at the names, I couldn’t help but wonder where the best pass rusher in the league over the last decade (Vonn Miller) stacks up.

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PRO8's picture

I would think JJ Watt would have to be in there somewhere... unless the edge rusher is an anal thing....

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iowabuckeyes's picture

That depends a lot on whether they're lined up against the tight end...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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ToetotheFace's picture

JJ Watt was more dominant than Vonn Miller when completely healthy. Had 2 of the greatest seasons for an NFL defender in the league's history.

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Buctor's picture

That's the attitude Mr Patterson.  You should know though that others have said and or done similarly, so you won't be the first!  And on the good side, you already know what it feels like, maybe that will mitigate next years results!!!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Don’t even know where to begin w Patterson. To think he was the guy I was concerned about in The Game. Those comments are really just proof that we’ve broken him too, and I’m left w the fact that he’s now reached the delusion it takes to be a “*ichigan man”. Whatever that is...

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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BuckInNashville's picture

3 yards 

thanks for that commentary. BTN has a lot to do with our view of UM and it’s star players. They had Jabril Peppers built up as the combination of Desmond Howard and Charles Woodson. That guy couldn’t keep up with a worn down JTB in 2016 OT game.  Gerry Dinardo loves to shill them. This year the theme was great D, resurgent O line with Warinner at the helm, and the piece they have been missing since chad Henne - a big time QB.

what they didn’t remind us of, was that against SEC dregs he was great, but was very average against the SECs top end. What did he do this year ? Torched the middle to bottom of the big ten, and very average against ND and tOSU. We were all fooled, but shouldn’t have been.

Their bowl game against the UF Defense should actually be a good test to see how he does against a decent SEC team.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is a fair analysis.  I don't put it all on the BTN, as others in the media were stumping for them, to include ESPiN.  Like it or not, they are one of the legendary blue chip CFB programs with hordes of fans, and just like year after year ND gets the benefit of the doubt in analysis, people desperately want to believe that UM is back, relevant on a national scene, etc.  So, I don't really blame the talking heads for whipping up interesting narratives that get people more excited about CFB, because, in the world we now live in where entertainment news has replaced real news, this has become their jobs.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Buckloving's picture

Their offense wasn't the problem for them

bobbyd

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huffdaddy's picture

I am legit impressed with his pluck. Compare that to the many Maize wearers who have already left the team early to prepare for their eventual free agent tryouts....

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

In four years, Harbaugh’s started four different QBs against Ohio State: Jake Rudock, Wilton Speight, John O’Korn, and Patterson, and three of them were transfers. I’d think the fact that Patterson is coming back should make a difference. Of course, Speight came back, got hurt, and O’Korn started against OSU and cried about it afterwards, all of which resulted in Harbaugh’s worst season in Ann Arbor. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Slight correction, all four are/were transfers. 

With the number of transfers out of that program, I wonder if McCaffrey or Peters or whoever else crazy Jimmy has up there will soon follow after savior Shea’s announcement?

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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IGotAWoody's picture

There's chatter that Milton is already looking at transferring. I wouldn't be surprised if McCaffrey is considering it, too.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

Where was Shea Patterson even considering going. Another transfer, certainly not the NFL.

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I am Kirok's picture

This^ he can say what it wants but does anyone see him going in the 1-5 rounds?

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

JT was/is a better QB than Shea and he didn't even get drafted.

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CincyBuck's picture

No.  I was impressed by Patterson’s toughness in The Game.  But he didn’t look like an NFL QB at all.

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Congrats to DJ! Now the next step: Actually get married. None of these five year engagements, ok?

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BucksHave7's picture

My only advice (Kanye’s too!) .....PreNup!!!!!

BucksHave7

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huffdaddy's picture

He wouldn't want her to get her hands on his thesaurus if things go south

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Wasn’t there a dinosaur called Thesaurus? It was like all the other dinosaurs rolled into one.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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MN Buckeye's picture

The thesaurus dinosaurs all had names that meant the same thing.

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

I am reminded of Susan, the fiance of George Costanza; who remarked when George requested a prenuptial agreement, "Ha, ha, ha, ha . . . . You don't have any money! I make more money than you do! Ha, ha, ha. Yeah give me the papers. . . I'll sign 'em!"

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Speaking of Seinfeld, we’ll just man hand-le Shae and the weasels again, and again, and again, and again....

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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Extramedium's picture

You’re assuming he’s bringing more to the table than she is

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PhillyNut's picture

Does anyone know for certain that she is doing this of her own free will? Are there any cryptic messages in her own Twitter account?

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

If she reads the Skully, did she go straight to the roommate poisoning link? Forewarned is forearmed (unless she’s doing her own research).

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BBQ_Fan's picture

She's a teacher, right? And he's a guy that knows how to (properly) use big words. Sounds like a match. Go off and elope and then throw yourselves one hell of a banger afterwards!

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Mr.GoodKat's picture

Isn't that how you end up with a kid??

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I always thought it was the kid that caused the engagement. I guess we had it wrong.

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SilverHaven's picture

And so... what does Star Cat and friends think about this?!
 

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

First a woman, then a dog? Star cat thinks DJ should check his shoes in the morning...

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Buckeye Bill's picture

  "I think his first month on the job is going swimmingly. We should let him do more."

Understatement of the year!

 

"Bring back St John"

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BucksHave7's picture

Nice try Shea, but no qb leaves early to be a 7th or 8th rnd draft pick. 

Go Bucks!!!! Beat UCLA!

BucksHave7

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PhillyNut's picture

He was at best the 10th rated QB in a draft that is considered weak for QBs. Every service said he needed to come back for another year. Hysterical that he is trying to make it look like he is doing it because he actually had a good option for him to go into the draft but he cannot leave his last game against the Buckeyes being a loss. What is he going to when he loses again next year? Medical hardship to come back for a 6th year? Don't think they allow that for a mental condition of enjoying getting one's ass kicked.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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BucksHave7's picture

And I forgot...Justin Fields would be an awesome Christmas gift!!!!

BucksHave7

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ChazBuckeye's picture

I hope Shea and TTUN go unbeaten until that game in late November next year ;) How sweet it would be, right?

It is time!!!!!

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NHBuckeye's picture

Not me. I hope they’ve lost 3 games by then and he and that whole team has a miserable season.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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Extramedium's picture

I’d argue and say we want a highly ranked UM to beat for the committee, but destroying their #4 team didn't do shit for us... So yeah why not? Let them be winless when we play them.

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TMac's picture

Loved the header picture here:

ND is going to beat tTUN again before we give them a repeat of the beatdown in November at the Big House. 

ONE Not Done!

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Thanks for killing my dreams, guys ;)

It is time!!!!!

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Nope.  0-12.  Not one shit eatin’ grin on an Ann Arbor troglodyte fan’s ugly face because...fuck Michigan.  Do you even realize what you are saying?  You are rooting for them each and every week for the first 11.  That almost makes them your second favorite team!!  Rethink your position sir...

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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2morrow's picture

0-12...and they have yet to score a point and we drop 100 on them!

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Schizo's picture

They play @Wisconsin and @PSU and ND back-to-back

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Extramedium's picture

None of those teams are any good though.  Yes, including ND.  the committee will feel like idiots for letting them in to the playoffs despite their record.  ND will be exposed just like UM was exposed vs us.

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Dillon G's picture

Congratulations to DJ Byrnes. I too assume he didn’t have Mortianna cook up a spell against her will. 

#walkaway

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buckeyenationlouisvillebranch's picture

Have they even watched Nick Bosa? Nick is an absolute beast. He controls his body very well. He is one of the most technically sound tacklers I have ever seen. And he is very disciplined. He doesn't ever seem to be out of position.

As far as Patterson goes, hey, you want to come back? Cool, but just understand the definition of what insanity is...it is in the dictionary, Shea.

Football is a religion in Ohio. We attend our service every fall on the banks of the Olentangy. A place we affectionately call "the shoe".

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Way to go D.J.!! Many happy wishes to him and his fiancée but now it might be time to acknowledge that it appears he’s ready to come over to the good team as well. Every great woman eventually makes a man come to his senses  

Dogs > Cats

Keep fighting CalPoppy

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Don’t buy a dog—rescue one!

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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PRO8's picture

Cats rule,dogs drool...

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SilverHaven's picture

Another good man bites the dust.  I wish him the best and good luck. But...

Stay with the dog instead of the fiancee. Why?

Because a dog's parents will never drop in on you.
Because a dog does not gain 100 lbs after the first puppy.
Because a dog limits its time in the bathroom to one quick drink.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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hetuck's picture

1. Congratulations to D.J. I'm sure the ring was not austere. 

2. Day is quickly turning into a true quarterback whisperer, unlike the fraud up north. 

3. The first two picks are losers, but I like the Buckeyes against UCLA. They have the advantage of already having played at the United Center. I assume they have more basketballs because I don't think the Illinois coach ever brought the other one back. 

4. Today's lesson in epicaricacy: It's a long shot, but my Christmas wish is for season two of "All or Nothing" on Amazon Prime. I can't find anything saying it isn't going to happen, but they did send a camera crew to France. So you're saying there's a chance. If it happens, 11W should rent a theater at the Lennox Center for a premiere of the OSU episode and sell tickets. Any profits to go to the William White ALS fund. There could be a Barbie look-alike competition and a "Guess the Mirage" contest. Josh Perry's mom should be guest of honor with all four pairs of Gold Pants. 2,583 days. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Dillon G's picture

About the edge rushers....

So how does Bosa compare to elite level prospects at his position coming out of college over the past few years?

That is a little different. I read it and thought (wrongly) Lawrence Taylor isn't top 5? This is actually a fair comparison.

#walkaway

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iowabuckeyes's picture

LT was technically a linebacker. Plus he played a billion years ago. He and John Bosa were in the BFL st the same time.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Homey1970's picture

In all fairness, the discussion was on ‘edge’ not DE.  Although not relevant to the last few years, LT was an edge defender from the OLB, whereas Carson and our own Pepper Johnson held down the Mikes.

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Dillon G's picture

Technically a linebacker, but in reality the best pass rusher in my lifetime. 

#walkaway

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BigBuck623's picture

4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB have very similar assignments and are more comparable than DE vs LB.. hence the term "edge."  Most of the guys you'd think of as "dynamic run stuffers" were technically DE's if the team they played for ran a 3-4.. Ngata, Richard Seymour, etc. Also.. the "3-4" is just the Oklahoma 5-2 with a few added responsibilities for the guys on the end, and so "edge" is actually a perfect description of their role in any defense.

Most defenses these days don't play base more than 30% of their plays anyway, so designating someone as a "4-3 DE" or "3-4 OLB" isn't helpful or precise.

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blueblazer22's picture

I have started to read the entire article about edge rushers, but will continue later. Thus far it seems his rationales are pretty solid, so we shall see. 

C'mon back Shea. Get yourself some more of the Buckeyes. I like it a lot. I was amazed at how unimpressive his arm and decisions were in The Game. 

Congrats to DJ and the missus. Get it together and get more dogs than cats.

As for the picks, I too took Buffalo, but against my better judgment. The MAC is now 9-31 in their last 40 bowl games, since 2012. And Buffalo was the best team, until laying down in the second half of the MAC championship game to the NIU Huskies. Plus Troy is local for this matchup, so I would steer clear of the Bulls.

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Dillon G's picture

And if you haven't read about the other Ryan Day, you need to do it. It is great reading how people away from Ohio on the west coast hate Desmond Howard. That idiot Howard thinks it has something to do with beating Cooper's teams. No, Howard, it's your assholeness shining through every time you open that hole under your nose.

#walkaway

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hetuck's picture

The College Gameday set at the Rose Bowl is at the 20 yd. line in the OSU section. Desmond better be ready for more Buckeye vitriol. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Too bad dickwad Taylor Lewan isn’t on that poster; instead, his jersey reads 1-3* after the 2010 loss was vacated and Xichigan barely beat the worst Buckeye team in 100+ years in 2011.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Turfgrad's picture

Chase is my favorite, right up there with Fabio!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Way to go DJ!

also, that was a very cool story on the Ocala cop giving out the hundy to the driver he pulled over.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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thedewman10's picture

For almost 20 years THE Ohio State has sent xichigan football players off the field to have a lifetime of austerity. 

Also known as Mark May disease.

TheDewMan10

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Dillon G's picture

Word of the Day: Austere

I have a very short video for that word. I’ll see if I can dig it up. 

#walkaway

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osu78's picture

Congrats DJ. A word of wisdom I was given when I convinced Single78 to become Mrs78:

You may not always like each other but you'll always love each other.

To which I add: Yes Dear goes a long way...

PS: Dogs definitely >> cats...

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

So you took your wife’s last name when you got married?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Extramedium's picture

Dogs > cats if you want the responsibility of a 4 year old who never grows up and/or have someone who's always home, otherwise it's just cruel

+1 to the yes dear, or at least nod-and-say-yes

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TMac's picture

Shea Patterson announced that he wants to get beaten like a rented mule by Ohio State one more time!

Justin Fields following the Patterson path to immediate eleligibility is just icing on the cake. 

ONE Not Done!

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Silver_Bullet's picture

Here's a statistical look at what Michigan did to Shea Patterson:  
                                                 the B1G

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spiBuckeye's picture

I get my daily facts and informative articles at 11W (Thanks!).

I get my Comedy Central humor from the mGo board. They are sure that next years team will light it up through the air. Hairball will change his offense and do it all with She!! 

Ha, good luck with that /s

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I heard Michigan bought the vacated rights to Cubs fans’ old battlecry: “There’s always next year!”

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

Texas A&M have been using it for over 3 decades.  They get it out in early Sep most years. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

“Shea Patterson hated losing to Ohio State so much this year he decided he's going to do it again.”

ROTFL

Aaaaand I’m dead. Well, stated, Kevin. XD

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Turfgrad's picture

Not a lot of love for Bosa, he quit, remember?

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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NOBLUE's picture

 i can not comprehend why anybody thats an OSU FAN  would want fuckedagain to win another game against anybody.....

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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DP71's picture

I do hope that Fields joins our Buckeyes.  However, if he does, he must start out as third team behind Martell and Baldwin.  Those two have earned the right to be 1 and 2 until and unless Fields proves otherwise to Coach Day.

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Extramedium's picture

No kidding.  But If what I hear about Fields is even somewhat close to being true, he will prove otherwise to Coach Day very quickly.

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

Next poll question. Who is nuttier Patterson or Harbaugh?

Mark May is a mental midget

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Extramedium's picture

Harbaugh for sure... Patterson is just being dishonest for his reason to come back.  

The bad thing for him is, his team will be worse next season and so will his draft prospects.

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

So if Fields does transfer in will have to sit out? That answer could signal Haskins's intentions on staying or going pro,unless fields is okay sitting a year to learn from coach Day

Mark May is a mental midget

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Silver_Bullet's picture

He plans to apply for the waiver, and I think Haskin's decision will affect his decision.  Although he does want Day's coaching.  My gut says if Haskins stays, Fields to Oklahoma.  Especially if the waiver is denied.  We'll see.

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Extramedium's picture

If his waiver is denied, why would that change his desire to play for Day? He'll have to sit out a year no matter where he goes and then it wouldn't matter if Haskins shocks the world and stays another year.  I've been awake for 17 hours so I could very well be missing something, but I think if his waiver is denied he either stays at Georgia (and Mathis feels like a jackass) or comes here regardless of what Haskins does.

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

So if Fields does transfer in will he have to sit out? That answer could signal Haskins's intentions on staying or going pro,unless fields is okay sitting a year to learn from coach Day

Mark May is a mental midget

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Congrats to the Sultan of Skullys, the malcontented  Marionaire, whisperer of cats, creator of damn good content, thought provoker, and soon to be husband.

Would the skully headline be: “Get Dumped, then get engaged”?

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Thank you for all the kind words everyone! I am jotting down all the necessary notes. Go Bucks!

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Tell mom I want a trampoline.

mugbucket's picture

Good for you sir. Charlton Heston was asked what was the secret to his successful long time marriage, he paused an said, "It's simple - when I wake up every day I lovingly say to my wife, Honey, I'm sorry"...

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

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Buckeyebobby1968's picture

Of course Patterson would come back, because he knows his draft stock sucks. This news probably causes some issues as McCaffrey will have to fight for the starting job once again. Peters is on track to graduate in May and he'll be a graduate transfer, so he'll be gone from the depth chart. But the dark horse is Milton as the coaching staff loves his arm and size considering what they saw from Haskins. 

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Extramedium's picture

Sadly for Patterson if his draft stock sucks now, it's not going to be any better next season. 

And If they needed to see Haskins play to realize that a tall QB with a strong arm is desirable, they have bigger problems than we all thought.

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EarleFan's picture

"and is now about to bring in the highest-rated player in Ohio State history"  who is that?

"I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy!"

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SilverHaven's picture

"My picks are honestly just straight up hilarious at this point, but I ain't going to stop now."

Is this a quote from Shea Patterson on making the same mistake over again?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Spivan's picture

I hope you didn't put money on that Houston pick...  because they forgot to show up...

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Jroc021's picture

I was just going to post about the game. Houston definitely didn't show, Army fixing to hang 60 on them.

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PhillyNut's picture

I think we are getting to the that there is a definite strong negative correlation between Kevin's picks and the end result.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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BuckeyeLion's picture

Disregard Kevin's Houston pick ;-)

In the poll era (since 1936), OSU is by far the class of the B1G:
National Titles: OSU 8, UM 3
B1G Titles: OSU 33, UM 27
Head-to-head: OSU 42, UM 36
Major Bowls (New Year's Six): OSU 20-14, UM 10-16

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CowCat's picture

That college poisoning / racial slur link. Yikes!

I'm glad the victim survived, but the perpetrator is going to face hell on earth, as deserved.

Loss of visa, US prosecution and possible jail time, deportation and then facing the relatives in his home country.

Note to self: Don't go down that path.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Sunny Buck's picture

Shea Patterson coming back just to try to beat the Buckeyes?

Revenge Tour 2? Really?

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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Sunny Buck's picture

Btw Kevin, thanks for the Ocala police video. I live just south of Ocala, drive through there all the time. I didn't even realize they had that program going on. Nice story, happy lady. Good police/citizen stories are out there but not always in the news as they should be.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

HAHAHAHA.. Hey Sean - please talk to the large number of idiots from that university thinking that coming back one more year to beat OSU was a good thing.  It can and will get worse for doing so... but hey, who are we to make that decision for you.  

After the NFL draft - can we officially move on from Nick Bosa - he obviously moved on long ago from Ohio State!  Sorry, down vote away but IMO, he completely abandoned the university and his teammates.  Yeah, I get why he did it and I'm good with it - still doesn't change the fact that he withdrew from the university and the team!  Don't wish him any ill will, but I, for one, am not going to sit here and think he didn't walk away!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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Maka's picture

Thought about a new forum thread but decided against it. Here you go...

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