Skull Session: Draftable Buckeyes, Urban Meyer's Loathing For Losing, and Alabama's Recruiting Absurdity

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Live feed of Bosa doing some off field conditioning. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Dollars to donuts I know exactly where that was filmed. Driven by there hundreds of times.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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SoulPatrol32's picture

That’s cool. Where is it?

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Seward Highway, a few miles south of Anchorage. The car is northbound, out the left window would be Turnagain Arm. This is one of the prettiest drives in N.America.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

Iowa has a beat down coming.

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

Screw Iowa 

and 

F#ck *ichigan!

GO BUCKS!!! *ichigan sucks!!!

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subUrbanBuck22's picture

We’re glad you came back for your senior year too Karen...hope you do OK in the NFL but as you know, they are not guarantees

Go Bucks!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Higdon, Bush and Gary not playing versus Weber, Jones and Haskins playing. That’s the biggest difference between Jim Harbaugh’s and Urban Meyer’s programs right there. Did anyone else catch this NSD quote from Harbaugh:

And now, you recruit guys and they come in, and a youngster will say, ‘Oh my God, there’s Devin Bush!’ And, ‘Devin Bush said hello to me, talked to me!’ The next youngsters: ‘God, I just want to be like Tarik Black!’ Another: ‘DPJ, he’s such a beast! I got to meet DPJ!’

First, I’m having a hard time believing top recruits are gushing over meeting players like they’re a teenage girl who just met a Hollywood hunk. Second, what have any of those guys done that deserves putting them on a pedestal? When recruits are treating their prospective future teammates like they’re bigger than life, you’ve got a big problem on your hands.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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mizzer's picture

Higdon pretty much said that "Michigan Men" sit out during bowl games so he's got that going for him.

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

Higdon is sitting out the Peach Bowl game, and yet I read he plans to play in the Senior Bowl. Hmm...

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

Higdon is sitting out the Peach Bowl game, and yet I read he plans to play in the Senior Bowl. Hmm...

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osu78's picture

I am not surorised recruits are excited about meeting star players. They are gys who are living their dream, and even if they'll be teammates next year there still is that "they've done it" appeall, especially if you've grown up a fan of a team.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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RUNTOWIN's picture

Not that the TUN doesn’t have culture issues. But I remember being a 17 year old freshman and thinking the seniors were grown, adult men. 4-5 years is a HUGE difference at that age. I think you want your kids coming in and looking up to the older guys. I’ll bet Olave thought McLaurin etc we’re grown men to be admired. 

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avail31678's picture

THANK YOU, Iowa B - TTUN fans will undoubtedly use these players not playing as an excuse should they lose the Peach Bowl.  "We didn't have our best team out there against Florida."  

Yes, you did.  Our guys just love playing for Urban and this special program.  TTUN guys just don't feel like playing for Harbaugh and that shit program.  

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BuckInNashville's picture

Watching the game in person, we couldn’t help but notice the imbalance of speed on the field. Ttun just isn’t very fast and Karan Higdon was the epitome of that characteristic. Maybe he blazes on the track, I don’t know - but with the ball in his hand, I don’t see the cut back ability of Dobbins or the downhill speed of Weber. If our guys are likely 3rd or 4th rounders (somewhat because RBs aren’t first round picks very often nowadays), how can Higdon be much higher ?

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Silver Sniper's picture

On MGO there has been a whole lot of Higdon > Weber. I don’t think so. Had they landed Weber and we had to defend his running with power and home run speed, I’d be a lot more intimidated. Higdon never even made a mark. 

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avail31678's picture

What a crock of shit.  They have very very similar career stats.  Weber has a higher YPC.  Weber also split carries with Dobbins for two years (who's also better than Higdon).  Let's also add this includes having a VERY run-heavy QB in 2016 and 2017, and a very pass-heavy offense in 2018.

I won't sit here and say Weber is most definitely > Higdon, because they have similar career stats. But the arrogance of them is hilarious.

Also...Weber playing in his bowl game, Higdon not.  Advantage Weber.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Great points, Avail. Agreed. 

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woodyson's picture

And to be fair, of all the people on earth to know that there are no guarantees in life, it's Karan Higdon

That's Pulitzer material right there. 

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mugbucket's picture

Beat me to it!

And it's absurd that pecuniary is the word of the Day.

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

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Zimmy07's picture

I had that copied and ready to paste in case no one else did.  Glad I didn’t have a mouth full of coffee when I read that.

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huffdaddy's picture

Kevin has grown into this role right before our eyes. I now have at least three guffaws each week. Excellent work. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Haha I certainly try my best.

MN Buckeye's picture

This is a classic line, Kevin. And congrats to Woodyson for commenting on it first. Well done.

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PDoggett73's picture

I feel like the only reason Higdon is mentioned is so he could write that line. So great. 

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Sounds like Eddie the Otter lived a great life and had his priorities in order. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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Oldschoolbuck's picture

Reminds me of the old joke, “Why does a dog lick his balls? Because he CAN!”

Grateful might want to invest in Budweiser’s new project: gives a whole new meaning to, “This Bud’s for you.”

’Bama recruiting at that level is incredible. The fact that OSU is a somewhat close second says a lot about the strength of the program. 

Merry Christmas everyone!

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yantubos's picture

On the flip side, what this confirms is that major college recruiting is nowhere near a level playing field. This is going to hurt the sport if it continues. People are already losing interest in the playoffs because it's the same result every season. I don't know what the answer is, but the NCAA is kidding itself if it thinks every other school is happy being second banana (or third or fourth or 69th) to Alabama every year.

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

What would make you think the vast majority of colleges care about who wins a college National Championship or who Alabama recruits?  Football is not the business of colleges and universities.  I see little or no difference in the way college football works today than it has for the 50 years I have followed it.  A small percentage of teams have always dominated the sport and for the most part they are the same schools today that they were in the late sixties when I first started watching college football.  That is because those are the schools who actually care about their football programs and are willing to build the facilities and pay the coaches what is takes to maintain their programs at an elite level.  Believe me when I say that far more schools don't give a d--n about being second, third or fourth banana to Alabama or Oklahoma or Ohio State than do.  The only way that the playing field could be leveled would be to significantly limit the number of scholarships schools could award in football, maybe to 40 total and no more than twelve per year.  Does anyone really see that happening? 

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VanillaStache's picture

I agree. If it was gods intention for us to not play with ourselves he would have put it in the middle of our backs. Party on at the Pearly Gates Eddie....Party On.

"Let me quote the late great Cornel Sanders, I'm to drunk to taste this chicken"

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Buctor's picture

Happy Holidays to all.  Enjoy the long weekend, especially if you get Monday off too!

Then one more football game before a long wait until it all starts over.

Great luck to Coach Day!!

Great thanks to Coach Meyer.  It has been fun.  Get healthy, stay busy, enjoy the grandkids, they grow up way to fast!

Peace to all.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Luckobucko's picture

The holidays start today for me
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to the 11W commentariat!

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Started last night w some friends. I’m so hungover I though that shot of LJ was Tony Alford. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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blueblazer22's picture

Even funnier, I am completely sober and also thought it was Alford. Not sure what this says about either of us. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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brutus0717's picture

I work Saturday and Monday night. Everyone tilt one back for me. Such is the life of a hospital worker, open 365 days a year.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Silver Sniper's picture

Damn. I don’t drink acahol but I’ll pound down a Martinelli's Cider for you.

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yankeescum's picture

I totally disagree about non first round prospects sitting out. I think that the less heralded prospect risks significantly more by playing in a bowl game. Barring an actual career ending injury, Nick Bosa is getting drafted in the first round. A fourth rounder may not get drafted at all. Jaylon Smith still signed a multi million dollar contract, and he wasn't projected to go first overall, and his injury was potentially career ending.

The fringe guys are risking not getting paid at all, while the mega stars risk only having less millions, but will still be set for life even in the event of injury. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Shit, you beat me to it by 36 seconds

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yankeescum's picture

That is hysterical, I did the exact same thing last month. I think your post is actually a hell of a lot more evocative than mine. And needless to say, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Merry Christmas fellow friend of the mighty Buckeyes. 

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DCDDC's picture

To all of the student athletes that leave early I say good luck with that "I" in your next teams too.

m GO BLOW!!!

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cbusbornwrldwiderazed's picture

Irregardless they're both golden. I "guarantee" it!

"Old minds are like old horses; you must exercise them if you wish to keep them in working order."
John Adams

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Extramedium's picture

True but -1 for "irregardless"

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Even though I still cringe every time I see irregardless, it’s actually a real word that, correctly used, it is a more emphatic use of regardless, sort like a double dog dare. Here's an example: 

Jim Harbaugh: “Honey, can I sleep over at a recruit’s house tonight? He’s a guy we really need."

Mrs. Harbaugh: "Regardless, I'm not comfortable. It’s not a good look for you, Jim."

Jim Harbaugh: "Oh, come on. His parents will be right down the hall. And we’ll keep the door open. Nothing bad is going to happen."

Mrs. Harbaugh: "Irregardless, no."

But because Mrs. Harbaugh didn’t say irregardless, a legacy was forged.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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GoBucks1014's picture

I wish I could upvote this twice.

"Because I couldn't go for 3."

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MichiBuck12's picture

Karan Higdon probably has a future as the spokesman at Mens Wearhouse. "I guarantee it." But on a serious note, I would argue that he has more to lose than Gary or Bush. He might risk fewer total dollars by playing, but an injury to him could be the difference between getting drafted in the 4th round and never playing in the league at all. Bush and Gary get hurt, they drop a round or two. Sure they lose millions of dollars. But they're still going to make millions playing football. Higdon gets hurt, he doesn't get drafted, isn't healthy enough for offseason workouts thus no chance at being an undrafted free agent, and his general studies degree will literally have him working in a strip mall making guarantees that dudes will like the way they look.

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Extramedium's picture

Why play college football at all?  Just train really hard for several years and go straight to the combine.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Because its not an all or nothing proposition. Play all the games, or play zero games are not the only two options. None of us like the fact that players are skipping bowl games but not understanding the logic behind it is simply obtuse at this point.

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Señortaystee62's picture

Was coming here to make the same argument! I'd say a guy that could go from "mid round pick make the squad and a few million(just That? Lol) over a career" to no shot at all is a much more painful loss than top of the first round to 2nd/3rd etc w potential to make more in future contracts (if they live up to their lofty status).

500K is all the money in the world compared to nothing, the difference between 1 and 5 million per year (just spitballing) is much less important.

Wonder if he'll give a guarantee at the combine that he'll get drafted at all? LOL wolverweenie losers

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buckeyedude's picture

Higdon gets hurt, he doesn't get drafted, isn't healthy enough for offseason workouts thus no chance at being an undrafted free agent, and his general studies degree will literally have him working in a strip mall making guarantees that dudes will like the way they look.

Michibuck, I love your posts. I think you should apply for a job at 11W as a writer. You crack me the %^&* up. Every time. 

I'm sure the Briarwood Mall Men's Warehouse in AA would love to have Higdon as a salesman/spokesman. At least he wouldn't have to wear a chicken suit and stand on the corner, selling $5 chicken meals. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Karan Higdon probably has a future as the spokesman at Mens Wearhouse. "I guarantee it."

Only if he has a really bad smoker’s voice.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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cledaybuck's picture

While your point is a good one, I wonder if NFL teams care about him sitting out the bowl game?  I know they don't care when it is a real talent, but a marginal guy like Higdon?  I honestly don't know, but to drop a round in the middle of the draft would also be quite a bit of money and could affect his chances of even making a team.

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Dillon G's picture

Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser.

Sheffield can't run 4.38 in pads. Or it is wrong on him. I still love him for being a Buckeye, but that time isn't right.

Higdon is delusional.

#walkaway

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lew-e's picture

They have never timed the 40 in pads to my knowledge 

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Dillon G's picture

Me either. I judge on game speed.

#walkaway

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Hondo's picture

Totally agree with your observation re: Sheffield's speed. In fact, I posted as much below, before seeing your comment. I recall times this season where he actually appeared slow in the pursuit of yet another breakaway running back. Paris Campbell, on the other hand, has elite game speed. Huge difference between Campbell and Sheffield. That's the difference between a football player and track man, I guess.

The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I don’t know what Kendall Sheffield’s 40 time is but it’s no faster than Northwestern’s John Moten IV—Sheffield chased him for 40 yards down Lucas Oil Stadium’s field and never gained an inch.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Silver Sniper's picture

Iowa, I’m fine with the game speed versus track speed comments but if you think Sheffield chasing the RB was a true race, you need to watch that play over again. The RB was already at full speed long before Sheffield had a chance. Unfair point on your part. I 100% guarantee you that if those two dudes started at the same time running the same distance, Sheffield would have smoked his ass like a Philly Blunt.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

We certainly gave him a lot of opportunities to display his speed this season, chasing down ridiculous long runs.  Maybe I'm repressing those memories, but I don't recall him catching a single one.  

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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yantubos's picture

Sheffield's problem isn't speed - the guy is fast - it's technique and instincts. Some of that you can coach up and some you can't.

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NorthBerg's picture

Just don't call me Shirley or late for supper.

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

You ever been in a Turkish prison?

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

You like movies about gladiators?

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osu78's picture

I picked a bad day to give up sniffng glue...

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Ever seen a grown man naked? 

Sorry but that’s pretty much the last line left from the cockpit scene. (Why do they call it a cockpit, anyway?)

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Billy, do you like it when Scraps rubs up and down against your leg?

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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yantubos's picture

UV for all the "Airplane!" quotes

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Sunny Buck's picture

It almost seems as if coach Meyer is rethinking his retirement decision. Could he return to the sideline in a couple of years, health permitting ? Then again, this probably is just  his way to transition out of coaching. Who knows. It is fun to think of the possibilities.Hope he heals up and enjoys his family.
 

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Gene Smith is 62/63 years old. Urban is 54. His next big job should be as Smith's successor. He’s already proven he’s a fan of OSU’s other sports.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Meyers out right obsession with winning is definitely a blessing and a curse 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Dillon G's picture

And it’s the Friday before the holiday. So, Merry Christmas to all.

#walkaway

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Browns88's picture

Who is Karen Higdon?

Browns88

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Crumb's picture

Meyer is rare, but even he can't do it forever.

When it comes to being an extreme perfectionist like is being talked about here. I see it a lot in my family and not to the success level of Urban Meyer. He's the exception to the rule in this case. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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hetuck's picture

1. The reason players sit put bowl games is pecuniary in nature; so is the reason the B1G plays on Friday nights. 

2. Bama doesn't recruit, they shop. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Zimmy07's picture

Bama knows that BOGO isn’t a good deal.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I watched that video and when it ended, I thought, “Okay, I guess there must be a few people in the world who don’t know that a BOGO is nothing more than a marketing ploy to get people to buy more.”

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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PhillyNut's picture

Have to wait until October 10th, 2020 for that revenge game with Iowa.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Extramedium's picture

Such a shame.. it'll be an entirely new team by then

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MN Buckeye's picture

But they will still have the B1G 16-time coach of the year.

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

I suspect Coach Day will have the tape to show those that weren't there.

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I'd suspect that may be a pregame speech given by a special guest...just a former coach who may/may not have a degree in psychology. Give the points in that one...no matter how many.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Blackcoffee's picture

Fields throwing darts to Olave.

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TMac's picture

Philly, we could meet the Hawkeyes in the B1G CG on Dec 7th, 2019. 

ONE Not Done!

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cledaybuck's picture

December 7, 2019 (I almost typed 1941) is not completely out of the question.

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Hondo's picture

People talk about Sheffield's elite speed and he sure has it on the track. I don't think it translates to the gridiron, however. I don't recall seeing him track a single running back down on any of the multiple breakaways opponents cracked on our D all year long. 

The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

I’d cite instincts or lack of, or not as good as....think - for what short time we had him - what Malik Hooker looked like out there. Sure he had speed, but his nose for the ball/play was unparalleled. 

Edir; once again, FYI -I’m hanging this morning. Expect some typos...more than usual that is. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Take heart as things could be worse: at least you didn’t misspell typo. That’s when you know you’ve hit rock bottom. Sounds like retirement is getting the best of you, old friend. You may need to go back to work like  rest of us slobs so your weekend starts on Friday and not on Monday.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Dillon G's picture

Unlike Roby, who also played with some that just couldn’t cover. We all remember 2012 and 2013 before Coombs got it turned around and rolling. Players got away, and Roby ran across the field and down it to save a touchdown. And he isn’t as fast as Campbell or Samuel. He “only” ran 4.39 I think, at the combine.

#walkaway

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luckynutz's picture

Robys greatest gift was his ability to recover on a bad gamble. He jumped a lot of routes, got burned on double moves. But the guys never scored. He could be 30 yds behind...still caught them. His funtional speed was insane.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

I should have read all of the comments before posting. You beat me to it by 7 hours.  (There's probably a Sheffield joke in there somewhere.)

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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bucknuthoffy7's picture

I'd love to pound Iowa in 2020 after what they did to us in 2017. Problem is that most of the guys who will be playing in the next game in 2020 weren't on the team in 2017 to remember what happened. I'm sure the coaching staff won't forget.

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blueblazer22's picture

The BOGO video link isn't exactly rocket science, and the "expert" they chose has little to say. But hopefully if folks do watch it, maybe it spells out one of the many issues with shopping that people don't always realize. 

I can see what YS and MB are saying above, and it could be a huge risk. But it seems to me that if you are a mid-round "talent" like Karen, it might be in your best interest to at least show up and give evaluators one more chance to watch you perform against top competition, which could help your stock. I am not even sure that I understand Gary sitting out, but he makes a lot more sense to me than Higdon. Ttun may not be able to field a full squad vs Florida.

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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MichiBuck12's picture

I see your argument about raising his stock. But how much can he really raise it? We've got years of tape on Higdon and I think you and I would both agree that he is a thoroughly mediocre football player. Having one good game, in my opinion, isn't going to raise him up much, if at all. We know what he is at this point. On the flip side though, a bad injury could bankrupt his draft stock. I just think there is much more to lose for him than there is to gain. I like to gamble, but I'm not gonna walk into a casino and risk $100 if I can only win $5.

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blueblazer22's picture

I mostly agree with your point over the one I am making to be honest. I guess my angle is more that if I am an NFL evaluator, I have seen a ton of all of these guys. If a guy is a mediocre fourth round projection like Karen, I would like to see him suit up and try to help his team win his final game. Bosa is going high no matter what and will get paid. I can certainly see not wanting to get hurt and sitting out. But maybe by showing up he makes it clear that he wants to improve, and also wants to be there for his teammates. Does any of that make a difference to NFL scouts? I don’t know, but it would to me. 

Basically I have never been in the position, but it seems to me that a bowl game, particularly a big one, is something I would want to be a part of. Every guy that leaves football always says that the camaraderie is what he misses most, and the bowl is a last chance at that camaraderie. Show up and try to win, to impress all of those up and coming mitten state recruits :)

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Why are you guys arguing about a Michigan player? You’re both right but your subject matter is all wrong. How about debating K.J. Hill or BB Landers going pro instead?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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MichiBuck12's picture

I agree completely with your second paragraph. Granted I was never in a position to make money playing sports, but I did play sports through high school and for a while I played in some relatively competitive rec leagues after that. I don't remember the final score to any game I ever played but I very much remember the bus rides, and the hotels, and the locker rooms. I would absolutely want to be a part of the bowl game just to have one more experience with the guys. I think often times people are in such a hurry to get to the next phase of life that they don't stop and enjoy the one they're in.

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osu78's picture

Behavioral economics looks a lot a decision making, and it is interesting how people's biases make it easy to get them to behave in certain ways.

The BOGO link was disappointing as it never really delved into the behavioral details. The best advice was to only do a BOGO if you really wanted both items and would buy them separately anyway. My local supermarket does a lot of BOGOs but sells each at half price; so you can buy one and still get a 50% discount. I taught my kids to watch out for those deals and just buy one if they need the item and won't use two before it goes bad.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I’m always up for a good BOGO if the B stands for Bosa...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BucksHave7's picture

Fact that TTUNs top players are dodging the bowl game shows me Harbaugh will never win a big game.  There is no team in what he does.   And I love it. 

Day is going to have a heck of a run for the next 10 years!!!!!

BucksHave7

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Silver Sniper's picture

I believe so too. Even in our worst defensive year, we blew them out.  Plus, I don’t see our offense slowing down. Harbaugh’s offenses are so archaic, they bully other teams in the B1G but they don’t bully us. Looking forward to Day owning Hairball.

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DCDDC's picture

Happy Friday to all of you 11 Warriors.

Merry Christmas and Happy Rose Bowl!!!

m GO BLOW!!!

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DukeofWeimar's picture

I have full confidence in Ryan Day, but I think Urban staying around is a nice insurance policy. Urban loves OSU. He isn't going to let OSU fail. If Day is ultra successful and leaves for the NFL in 4-5 years...IMO, Meyer would come back to coach if an incredible replacement wasn't there.

and I think the 'person out of coaching right now' that Gene had in mind was Tressel not Stoops.

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blueblazer22's picture

I like your thinking. Always loved The Vest. That said, no way Tressel comes back to coach. 

The Urban idea is quite intriguing I must say. If he hangs around as a professor etc and there is an opening as head coach, would he take over? Maybe he would. Interesting theory. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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buckeyedude's picture

I'd like to see UFM as OSU A.D., when Gene Smith is done. I think UFM would make a great ambassador for the entire athletics department. 

Imagine the parents of a player on the women's hockey team or the men's baseball team, etc. They'd love to have a chance encounter with UFM on campus. 

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Hondo's picture

May it be so. The sooner the better, in fact!

The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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DukeofWeimar's picture

I agree that Tress never goes back to coaching..I only posed that he was the one in Gene Smith's mind..not Stoops.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Perhaps it’s me but living in YTown I absolutely cringe whenever I hear a Stoops name - and the blowjob fest said person seems to be all too happy to offer them. I swear, their eyes twinkle at the mention of a Stoops. I can’t stand it. As far as Tressel, I’m this close to erecting my own statue in his likeness. I’m thinking right next to my Buckeye tree would be a good spot. Thoughts?

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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DukeofWeimar's picture

yeah..I recall Stoops saying he rooted for TTUN growing up. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Well the Stoops fest, which you have to include Pelini in, really stems from Cardinal Mooney a local, parochial HS - which plenty on here will recognize. As a Boardman grad, my disdain for them is well, hard to measure. Furthermore there’s a local bar, which is basically a shrine to them. I went there once. Once. Oklahoma and Nebraska flags within, selling T-shirt’s no less - nothing of tOSU. Table full of Ped State fans to my left. Let’s say it didn’t go well. Ultimately I was “encouraged” to leave. And as I said, I haven’t been back, but that’s not necessarily from lack of trying...I don’t like Stoops. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Come on, 3yd, you know better than to use blowjob and erect in the same post. But you’re suffering so I’ll give you a pass.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Forecast isn’t looking better. Just opened my sister in law’s present to us. She lives out of state. Included was tequila 1921 - sort of a Bailey’s meets tequila. Good night ahead!

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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rkylet83's picture

Its a shame we don’t get to see Devin Bush practice slip and slide anymore.

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Hondo's picture

Great pic. I love seeing Wolverine players rolling around on the ground as a Buckeye matriculates the ball down the field. Lots of those images can be found. Might make for a good thread!

This is how I shall always remember Devin Bush, by the way.

The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Is that the play he hurt himself on? 

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AltaBuck's picture

Yes. Didn't think the injury impacted the outcome of The Game but TTUN's defense became a wet paper sack after Bush went down.

“A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.” - Tyrion Lannister

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

I don't care how young or who you are, "That had to hurt".  LOL

GO BUCKS!!! *ichigan sucks!!!

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bucknut3011's picture

No guarantees in life

HA! I see what you did there!

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buckeyedude's picture

I guess I could start my Christmas shopping after work today? Working 12-14 hrs./day leaves me drained, with not much left in the tank. I'll be on a mission this weekend. 

Go Buckeyes! The future looks bright!**

**as he pulls out his shades. 

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Squirrel Master's picture

I was hoping Bosa would stick around as a buckeye but him and Jones/Weber declaring for the 2109 draft might be a bit too long from now.

Well, I think Bosa would still get sacks but the hover round might get most of the credit.

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esap153's picture

My comment is about this author's view that Karan Higdon has less to lose than a true top-10, top-15 prospect, by getting injured in a bowl game and the effect it could have on the draft

Do people truly believe that an injured Nick Bosa - whose a lock to go top 5, depending on who needs a QB, would lose draft position because of being injured??? If I'm a team looking for the top Defensive end available, I'm snatching Bosa up injury or no injury! The kid is gonna be a star and as a franchise, I would take him even if he sat out most of his rookie year. A team drafting high enough to get him is likely not going to make a turnaround to super bowl contender with one draft class and a talent like Nick will pay off.

I think a lower round pick has a lot more to lose because most teams are going to have multiple options that could work out the same. By being injured, especially as a running back without wow-factor like Saquon Barkley or Zeke, you could easily miss out on opportunities simply by being unavailable. With the average NFL career being what, 3-5 years (especially for running backs with typically one of the shortest), a prospect trying to prove himself could miss out big time.

What does a prospect like Bosa have to prove? Hell, he missed almost an entire season due to injury and he's still projected to go near the top!

If Karan had only played in 3 games this year, he would've had to come back next season

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I get that logic. I was more speaking in terms of a career ending injury. If neither can play another football game, Bosa misses out on a hell of a lot more money than Higdon does.

Bucks19's picture

“Do people truly believe that an injured Nick Bosa - whose a lock to go top 5, depending on who needs a QB, would lose draft position because of being injured??? If I'm a team looking for the top Defensive end available, I'm snatching Bosa up injury or no injury”

You’d last one draft day as a GM with that logic.  

Depends on the injury. Remember Jaylan Smith? Top 10 to 3rd pick if second round?

Go find what it cost him and let me know what. Better yet, I’ll tell you.  $10M difference. Cmon man!

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NOBLUE's picture

well when you're in the Natty every year or win the Natty so often i'm sure its very easy to have the top recruiting.....

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HSGABuck's picture

I sure hope Sheffield and Arnette go “pro”.  We need Grimes and Okudah together for at least one year as starters.  Sheffield does one thing great, he runs like the wind.  Unfortunately I had better ball skills as a white, slow DB in high school.  

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I'm assuming you mean Wade and not Grimes...and I agree.  2 CBs with their length and skill...they've got to be the starters, with the others battling for the nickel spot. 

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NHBuckeye's picture

I assume the next time we play Iowa it will be in the Shoe.  I kinda feel sorry for them.   Not really.

Fields of Dreams

 

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NHBuckeye's picture

I can relate to that Amazon Christmas rush story.  I worked at UPS in Columbus for 4 years, first loading semi trailers and then being the lone guy up on the sorting belt with a relentless wave of boxes coming at me.  During Christmas season it was absolutely brutal.   

Fields of Dreams

 

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nm_buck's picture

+1... I started out at the Columbus hub in the winter of 1976... loading then picking off... you brought back memories

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NHBuckeye's picture

Pick Off was the term I was trying to remember.  Nice.   Good memory, and you started there a bit before me.  I was there in the early 80's.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Fuck Iowa. Enjoy your 4-loss seasons.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Defiance's picture

AND

Fuck Iowa Purdue. Enjoy your 4 6-loss seasons.

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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HSGABuck's picture

Correct, JohnnyK.  Thanks. Welcome to the party!

In Antoine Winfield I trust

 

Craig Zak

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

A lot of top players want to go to Alabama because they can play for a NC every year. The Tide would have to lose 2-3 games in a year to not be picked by the CFP Committee for a spot in the CFP. Those odds are tough to pass up.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

But also on-field results are hard to talk about when their team curb stomped my team's teeth out the last time they played.

So I guess I will just keep quiet and let them have the teen and the Tweet.

The Tweet could be Bulletin Board Material for the next time OSU plays Iowa. 

That could even be next year in the B1GCG... 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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osu78's picture

Fortunately for the SEC, the NCAA can't even spell pecuniary, let alone know its meaning.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Anheuser-Busch InBev just partnered with a marijuana company to make cannabis drinks... 

This is a long way from Reefer Madness... 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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Sanitarian2's picture

Leaving your current job because you're going to be interviewed for a new job in the future, so American.

Sani

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Why are we publishing articles praising Alabama in any way, shape, manner, or form? Who gives a shit if they pull in a higher average star count? Stars are half the equation. Development is the other half. The recruiting rankings are barely worth the paper they’re printed on which is why a team can be high on a three star as they are on a five star. Finding guys like the “three star” Chris Olave blow the whole ratings bullshit system to smithereens. I won’t waste time posting the other obviously underrated players like Darron Lee or Ezekiel Elliott (3 and 4 star respectively), but it just plays into this myth of Alabama and other SEC teams who oversign and are chock full of overrated recruits. I mean, Shea “Butter” Patterson was a “five star” for Chrissakes. He was an SEC five star. And look at how our B1G 10 teams chock full of “2 and three stars”  fare against teams with “talent.” 8-1 last year in bowls. All I’m saying is this is part of the BS SECSPN narrative that sees preseason overrated rankings and a presumption of greatness. Bottom line is PLEASE STOP PERPETUATING THE ALABAMA MYTH. THIS OSU squad could EASILY beat them, hands down, no doubt about it. 

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Kevin Harrish's picture
  1. I'm publishing articles praising Alabama because they're very good.
  2. There's a reason Alabama has three national championships in the past six seasons and is playing for a fourth this year.
  3. Maybe stars are half the equation, but Bama seems to have the whole development thing down too.
  4. Ohio State over signs too, and is fighting for the same recruits Alabama and Georgia get
  5. Two and three star prospects panning out are the exception, not the rule. Do you have any idea how many more two and three star prospects there are than five stars? Five stars are 33 times more likely to become an All-American than two stars, almost 1,000 times more likely to get drafted, and higher recruiting rankings are absolutely an indicator for winning national titles.
  6. Ezekiel Elliott is not one of those exceptions. He was by no means a lowly-rated prospect. He was the top player in his state, the No. 70 overall player in the country, and the third highest-rated player at his position in the nation.
  7. Maybe Ohio State could beat them, but it's because they recruit close to on par with them, as I mentioned.
OldTownBuckNut's picture

*ring ring ring*

That’s ESPN calling, Kevin, PAAAWL needs a co-host. Get outta here with that Alabama praise.

There’s ONE reason they’re “so good.” They get WAY more opportunities. They dont earn them, and that’s the problem. They’ve been in ALL FIVE playoffs despite their garbage schedules. They similarly benefited during the BCS era. 

They get the benefit of the doubt because CBS, ABC, and ESPN all own the SEC. Money talks. Until we start seeing a real challenge to their schedule padding BS I will never buy into the “Alabama myth.” If they played in the B1G they’d never have seen the “success” they enjoy now. 

And a final point is EZE was a FOUR STAR RB as was Saquan Barkley and Melvin Gordon. Those are easily three of the top backs to have come out of college in the past few years. I could go on forever. 

My bottom line is that Alabama is NO BETTER THAN OSU or any other elite program in any other conference, and they absolutely play a much more garbage schedule than any other elite program. Therefore they should not be praised just because they have a recent run on championships. OSU would have just as many championships if not more if Disney and company owned us instead of Fox. 

Merry Christmas! GO BUCKS!!

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cdub4's picture

Why do more NFL players come from Bama than any other school? Seems like a flaw in your logic. Maybe NFL front offices are just falling for the myth too. Maybe the fact that Bama players seem to do well at the next level and get drafted in the 1st round is all a big mirage perpetuated by ESPN.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Good Lord, THEY DON’T!! It varies. But look at the stars on the teams. How many stars does Alabama have playing in the NFL right now!? I can’t think of any. Do I need to list the Buckeye stars? 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Maybe they get more opportunities because they take advantage of them. Ohio State got the benefit of the doubt in 2016 and got blasted by Clemson. Also, Bama doesn't play garbage schedules. Since the college football playoff began, Bama has played West Virginia, Wisconsin, USC, Florida State  and Louisville in their OOC schedule. They play a few FCS teams in there too, but every team plays a few games against bad teams. 

I also don't understand what you're getting at with your four-star running back thing. Yes, those guys are great. But they were also highly recruited and highly rated (do you think a four-star prospect is bad?). I'm not saying every five-star prospect is going to pan out, I'm saying (based on statistics) that they're far more likely to pan out.

There are drastically, drastically more four-star recruits than five-star recruits, and drastically, drastically more three-star recruits than four-star recruits. Of course there are going to be successful players out of all of those groups, but proportionally, there are far more successful five-star players than four-star players, and far more successful four-star players than three-star players. I don't understand why this is hard.

And if you don't think ESPN benefits off of Ohio State's success the same or more than Alabama, you must have missed the "Ohio State Played the Most Watched Game of the Week" post I wrote pretty much every other week. The "ESPN HATES OHIO STATE BC MONEY" take is just absurd. Ohio State is an absolute cash cow for ESPN, and college football in general. If anyone were to get preferential treatment, it would be Ohio State.

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Bama DOES play a garbage schedule. Are you really debating this? They play two G5 and one FCS pretty much every season. And those other OOC games are played on a “neutral site,” not home and homes like OSU. It’s really sad that an 11W writer is such a Bama homer, and even more sad that he’s engaged in a comment section argument with a customer. I could spend the rest of the night arguing with you about this but its a waste of time. My points about Alabama are irrefutable. They pas their schedule each year and game the system. End of story. They have talent on both sides of the ball but no more than OSU. And Meyer is 50 times the coach Saban is. Saban couldn’t win shit at MSU, then goes to Alabama and is “the GOAT?” Give me a break. Can't wait to catch your articles on “Saturday’s Down South” someday soon!

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cdub4's picture

Julio Jones is pretty decent. Amari Cooper.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

And for bonus points, PLEASE explain to me how Alabama got into the Playoffs last year over Wisconsin. Good Lord. RIGGED!!!

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ZeroDimension's picture

Is there anymore “egg nog” left?

One Shoe

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Bucks19's picture

Damn Kevin. Way to hit em Between the eyes!!!! Love it!! People hate on Bama but 10,000 times out of 10,001 we’d give our left nut to have their success. I would. 

Posters whine and complain about them and the SEC schedule. But guess what?!?! We and the rest of the country better get on board and figure it out. It’s called playing the Game within the rules and called being smart. 

The NFL falling into that myth and drafting Bama players? Do you really believe that? WOW!

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mockjocks's picture

But I could tell you the one loss against Michigan State in the driving rain storm that cost us a chance. We went 12-1 or 13-1 that year, and what happened?

What happened was we took one of the top 3 teams ever assembled in college football, and overcoached them into a team that was stuck in 2nd gear for most of the season. There's like 6 or 7 guys (easy) on that team that are starters in the NFL. An additional 6 or 7 that still play in the NFL.

I'd rather have lost in 2016 once or twice even - had it meant the 2015 got a chance to defend its title in the playoff. They slept walked all year, but had they gotten another shot at Bama - we would've smacked them again. I'll go to my grave knowing that to be the truth.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Preach. That was 100% the year there should have been two teams from one conference in the playoffs. Instead we saw the reigning champs be disrespected sliding from #1 to #3 WITHOUT A LOSS. It’s all rigged against OSU and the B1G. 

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Bucks19's picture

“They slept walked all year, but had they gotten another shot at Bama - we would've smacked them again. I'll go to my grave knowing that to be the truth.”

Well guess what. Don’t get our ass beat in a driving rain storm that BOTH TEAMS PLAYED IN against a second string QB. Go order a National Championship trophy for your man cave if it makes you feel better. This makes us as a fan base look pathetic. We always have an excuse and want to play the woulda shoulda game. The real world doesnt work that way. 

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mockjocks's picture

We led the game for 59:59, and the only time we trailed was when the clock struck zero - but we got our ass beat? Pretty sure you missed my point by a mile, but cool story.

The 2015 team was one of the 3 best teams ever assembled. Plain and simple. The proof is on Sundays, period.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Amen. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Best of luck to Jestin Jacobs, but slow down your roll on the shade, son; you (and every other recruit that just signed anywhere) haven't done anything yet. 

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buckeyepastor's picture

Sheffield and Arnette are both still growing in their coverage abilities.  I think if either had used their speed as returners for us, they would have better prospects.  But they struggle covering through traffic, still too often fail to turn to the ball, and too often take penalties to offset giving up big throws.  They are both good at stripping at the ball and separating it after the catch, but only if they aren’t late in arriving.  They both need another year.  NFL talent will eat them alive right now.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Berg2004's picture

Maybe TSUN could teach Karan some grammar.

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Bucks19's picture

I don’t get why anyone is worried about Higdon. He has the right to and should look out for his best interests. 4th or undrafted. Makes no difference. It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity for any kid. 

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