Quality over Quantity. The class may be small, but it’s Mighty!
And w Fields [possible] transfer looming just offstage...
"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody
Classes should be ranked by average player ranking. The way they do it now doesn't make sense. Go out and sign thirty 3 stars and you rank higher than a team signing all 4 and 5 stars with a smaller class. Anyone understanding recruiting would take the latter in a heartbeat. Some things in life are just hard to explain.
Right on. Realistically, how much better could this class have been? Ok Battle, but we are very young in a lot of areas. Can’t see how anyone couldn’t be happier w this group. Very strong in who there are while providing depth in areas we need. Plus factor in the possibility of Fields.
There you go trying to make sense out of a nonsensical situation.
Doing what you say requires some analysis and explaining to readers why it is a better class; something that goes over most people's heads as they focus on quantity.
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Agreed. Here's my explanation: I'll take a 6 oz. filet mignon over 5 pounds of Spam.
Bill Connelly (who developed S&P+) has taken it a step further. Usually he looks at 2 and 5-year average recruiting rankings when building his preseason S&P+ Ratings. That accounts for returning production and existing roster talent.
Now, he’s taken it a step further and applied a principle that basically says 80% of your production comes from 20% of your people. So instead of looking at the entire roster, he evaluates the Top 17 players based on recruiting rankings (20% of 85). The results are interesting. Spoiler Alert: OSU is #1.
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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott
It seems like bama takes 25 to 30 kids every year (all 4 & 5 *) allowing them to win the recruiting game and stay on top. How is that possible when were stuck with less than 20 spots.
So. Much. Boomage. Smaller portions yes, but consider this year in perspective - it could have been much less.
Fields? Sure. But he's gonna hafta earn it.
Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.
And the most Stanford thing ever, a player performing with his jazz band immediately after signing his letter of intent:
I loved this kid's signing event - that bass player was gettin' some!!
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
That was a hell of a first signing day. And if it includes Fields, It would be epic. Although one of the guys I am most stoked to see is Craig Young, he will be a starter the moment Malik Harrison goes the way of the NFL.
For me, it’s Eichenberg. He looks the part of the consummate MLB; a group in which coaching aside, we need to solidify. Obviously it is tougher to come in and see PT there than outside. But by default, we’re on the same wavelength.
Harrison’s recruitment certainly was refreshing- safe to say now that he’s a Buckeye. I’d have to guess that the culture here had to play a major role; which obviously includes LJ. But furthermore I’d think that ZH would definitely feel more part of a team or Family if you will here, vs anywhere else, especially that ttun.
Yes, I was coming to ask Kevin if he would have still thought "His entire recruitment was a breath of fresh air" if Zach had made another choice? That is to say, would you really like it if you didn't know until all the kids signed where they might go, just options that could be 2-3 or maybe 10?
ONE Not Done!
Oh yeah, absolutely. I would have loved everything about him even if he went to Michigan, as it looked like he would for quite a while. And I don’t mean that I loved that he had no idea where he was going to school, I just loved that he didn’t play the game, didn’t put up with bullshit from anyone else, and just did it his way.
Agree 100%, K. Plus, the way he handled himself is a more baller move. It says to the world "I don't need any drama, theatrics or BS behavior to promote myself - I let my play on the field do all the talking."
He rarely makes the same mistake twice. He would diagnose why he made a mistake by the time he reached the sideline.”
We see those traits with Haskins. When Haskins started he was a great passer. He became a great QB and decision maker. I am pleased I got to watch the one season of Haskins.
Fret not. Haskins should have plenty more seasons for you to watch. They’ll just be in a different uniform.
That video of fields looks awesome. The kid definitely has skill. So is there a time frame on when he plans to decide where he's going? I feel like we've discussed all there is to discuss in terms of him potentially coming here.
It was great getting Harrison yesterday. Mostly because I think it was really important for Day to get that first win over Harbaugh. Pulling in Harrison is keeping the metaphorical boot on Jimmys throat. Do not let him up off the mat.
The vid is nothing short of ridiculous. He seems to play bigger than he looks. Not sure how else to say it other than he looks like Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl.
You beat me on the Tecmo Bowl comparison. That's what I get for not reading the comments first.
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Justin Fields? Hoya, yeah!
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
He is like a Terelle Pryor but also with the mechanics,arm and headiness to be an excellent passer ....
I would agree. His arm appears equal to Haskins at the very least and while I wouldn't compare him to Miller as a runner his legs look pretty darn good as well. I don't know if he would absolutely be the starter if he came and was eligible next season, but I would not bet against him.
The way he runs reminds me most of Terrele Pryor. Throws a lot like him too, but seemed to be more accurate in the video. 6'3" 225 too. Show me a Dwayne Haskins that runs like a deer!
I like Fields just fine, a quitessential Meyer QB. But he does seem to take off pretty quickly.
At least in his senior HS video, he is not as good as Haskins at making the read. Haskins goes through reads 1-2-3-4 in 2.1 seconds and then the ball magically flies from his hand.
Fields is more of a Pryor - buy some time with his legs, then winnnnnd up and heave it!
H has the size of a Pryor but runs a lot like JT, with his angle cuts. He could be great at 4 or 5 different positions. He'll be our new Curtis Samuel, just bigger.
He throws significantly better than Pryor. In that entire 10 minute video, I didn't see a single arm punt.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
The way he runs reminds me most of Terrele Pryor.
This is what I was thinking, too. Miller had quicker cuts and more shimmy & shake as a runner, eluding tacklers when they got close. Pryor always seemed to be looking 10-15 yards up field and taking a better angle to avoid the would-be tackler.
His long stride, looking like he was loping, yet running away from everyone else, was what reminded me most of Pryor. Cam Newton looks a bit like that when he runs, but Newton is a mediocre passer at best. This kid looks like he has the entire package. With some good coaching, he may be one for the ages.
The Mathis thing is a non issue. With or without fields in the fold I think we have a lot of talent at quarterback however this does make the choices for 2020 that much more important
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I don't agree with those that are automatically assuming Fields will start. I don't think we should promise him the position, he should have to compete with Tate and Baldwin. As long as he is willing to do that, do whatever it takes to get him a tOSU.
The assumption is based on the fact that Fields is far more talented than any QB in our locker room.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
Talent is a big part of the equation, but it's not the ONLY part. Knowledge of the system, decision-making, reading the D, and leadership are all equally important.
Tate would be ahead of him on several of those metrics above, knowledge of the offense and leadership, being that he's been in the program 2 years. And I'm not convinced that Fields is exponentially more talented. People seem to forget that Tate was also highly regarded coming out of HS and was #2 QB.
Based on what they've both shown on the field this past season, I'd put Tate ahead of Fields.
The only metric you could argue that Tate has any edge in is knowledge of the system. Beyond that we would have to wait & see.
As far as talent, Fields is bigger, stronger, & faster with the far superior arm. Watch any film of the two side by side & it’s blatantly clear.
Based on what they’ve both shown this year? Fields ran & threw for more yards & touchdowns than Tate.
Fields had more opportunities. That's the main distinction. As far as numbers, Tate completed 82% of his passes. Fields was at 69%. Tate also had a better ypa average, by more than a yard.
As far as running the ball, Fields does get the nod for size, but Tate is quicker. Fields is more of a JT type runner, and Tate is more similar to McSorley or Mayfield.
This notion that Fields is far better than Tate that you keep selling is just not correct.
I have to wonder if he doesn't win the job, does he transfer again. Haskins was in the same situation as Fields last year and stuck it out.
So does size matter or not?
Is it true that if don’t use it, you lose it?
... is that a serious question?
She was a Ho... Fo... sho...
Sometimes, being too big can be a detriment. "Medium-sized" can be a good thing, at times.
That's what I was told, anyway.
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
She was being kind.
She prefers a big recruiting class huh
Anyone else think Ryan Day looks like the Property Brothers?
I think he looks like a young Jim Mora.
Maybe Seth MacFarlane?
Flip or Flop: Columbus?
Anyone else think Ryan Day looks like the Property Brothers?
LOL. Which one?
They’re twins, so....
"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
- Cardale Jones
The one with all the great tools
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
He looks like Vern from "stand by me". Great movie
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Fields high school highlights are just that....high school..where is his college highlights at...big difference...
https://youtu.be/zPFdXtImiuU they are still pretty damn impressive in limited reps. Not saying I prefer him, but he is impressive
Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.
Would you have taken Dwayne Haskins as a transfer before this season? He had very few college snaps. Almost all of his highlights would be from high school. Of course you would.
No. I would not have. I have to be very passive in answering this question though as I have no confidence in my answer. And sometimes I lie.
(please see word of the day in above article)
Last year, people felt that Fields and Trevor Lawrence were the best two QB prospects in the last few years. Lawrence is already starting at Clemson. Fields is really, really good.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
Harrison runs like Pryor. According to the 24/7 guest on BTN yesterday during the signing special, Harrison ran a 4.7 laser time at a camp. I suppose it works like the electronic timer in the starting block. The clock starts as soon as you flinch.
I have no doubt he can run.
I’m hoping like heck we have cleats that fit.
Maybe Harrison can line up as a safety when they rotate him off of the line?
I thought I saw 4.57 40 yard dash
Harrison’s highlights come close to John Cooper territory with the Big Kat. It almost looks to easy. I hope there are early enrollees.
That video of Fields looks like Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl.
Early yesterday I assumed that he was 100% coming here but I'm having my doubts. Some things coach Day said make this seem like less than a slam dunk, but that could have been coach speak.
I think it’s coach speak. He sounded like he doesn’t know what Haskins is going to do (which I doubt but he’s not going to rain on Dwayne’s parade) and he has to think about the only two QBs he may have left. Plus, he can’t publicly speak about a recruit until he’s signed, and there are no guarantees Fields is coming to Ohio State unless he’s told Day that he is, which, again, Day isn’t going to announce.
Dwan Mathis-Iowa State, then Michigan State, then Ohio State, then Georgia, want to introduce you to Gunnar Kiel(Indy, LSU, ND enrolled, transfer to Cincy.
You may be right on this one. I had forgotten about Kiel, but after all that moving around he never amounted to bupkus. He wasn't even starting at Cincinnati at the end. I wish Mathis no ill will, but changing your mind that often makes me wonder.
"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen. I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie
Classic example of having a plan til, you get hit in the mouth...things were going pretty good for the Cats in that game, until....
Fun fact, a bearcat is not in any way a cat. They're basically southeast asian jungle rats. Also, according to wikipedia, their genitals smell like popcorn. I really didn't need to know that, but maybe if I push that knowledge off on to someone else I don't have to walk around the rest of the day with that nugget of info bouncing around in my head. I regret doing the research now.
1. I knew they aren’t a “cat”. I thought they were in the badger family.
2. Either way, you're stuck w that other nugget of knowledge. Personally I’ll look no further than my popcorn plant.
Yes, picking up those "nuts" of life.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
Given your info, interesting word choice,"nugget"!
I was going to say Ohio State broke Gunner Kiel but MichiBuck beat me to it.
Or, the local kid, Jake Heaps; 5* kid out of H.S. BYU>Kansas>Miami. Reminds me of a very old movie; "If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium."
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
A QB needs to be confident in his decisions. I think we lucked out with Mathis.
Kevin, appreciate all your hard work covering the recruiting and keeping us informed. I am still waiting for the dust to settle after watching the Kingsley video. Appreciate it when teenagers help us to remember what is truly important.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Yeah getting a little misty-eyed over morning coffee. Glad Mrs BBQ is still sleeping so i don't have to explain that. Good way to start the day!
Anyone seen the new Oculus Rift commercial where the two guys are watching Stand By Me and one's in bed crying and his wife is lying next to him wondering WTF is going on? That was me in bed last night watching that announcement video on SVP. We need more uplifting, heart warming moments like that. Syracuse has a new DE they can be proud of.
If that kid never plays a snap at Syracuse he'll still be an All-American at life. (Note to Tennessee, feel free to use this.)
Kudos for holding the fax machine story for the day after signing day. It does amaze me that fax machines are still in use, but especially for kids now who likely don't even know what they are. Funny.
I will certainly take the quality over quantity, and there are still a few kids out there for the "late" period down the road. Now it is time to prepare for the evisceration of Washington in a couple of weeks.
I actually had to send a fax last week. I had to get IT involved.
About 6 months ago maybe I hand to send one from home. I was surprised to find out my all-in-one printer really is, as it has the capability to send a fax. I had no idea, but then again I had no reason to know until then. Some things stand the test of time, even if we don't know why.
A lot of those all-in-ones have built in fax functions. Then the question becomes, "Do you have a phone line"?
Very good point. We still have a land line, though I have no idea why. I have tried to get rid of it for awhile now, but the missus wants to keep it. Mostly so we can avoid answering robocalls. Fun times.
Still need to fax backpacking permits to National Parks. Just an FYI.
One of my clients uses fax machines extensively as a secure way to send medical records to ensure they met all confidentiality requirements. They work reliably, we have a secure fax line dedicated to sending records, the machines are cheap and reliable, you get delivery confirmation and it's easy to train someone to use a fax machine vs. how to properly use email to send medical records. Some of their locations only had one part time staffer, usually a nurse, so it is a cost effective solution. Installing a PC, getting a dedicated line, training the person, and providing IT support when things broke is a lot more expensive.
Britain should talk- Phil Collins allegedly divorced his second wife via fax so it was reliable enough for him lol
I know that there are federal agencies that still use fax and discourage other means of electronic submission of records, mostly medical.
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Heaven forbid the NCAA allow docusign. Maybe it’s because many are still minors? But why not scan and email as a PDF? It’s not as if a fax would the original signature.
I bought a house using the CamScanner app for banking and other documents.
Hey if I were in charge all official documents would have to be hard copy and mailed. Of course I work for the post office soooooo............
Fields looks a lot like Terrelle Pryor in the video. Great runner. Didn’t see enough of the passing.
I was impressed with his arm strength. There a lot of throws in that video where he looked like he was just tossing a short pass and it ended up being to a receiver 40 yards down field. If he can run like Pryor and throw like Haskins, I want him real bad.
Better arm than JT better runner than Haskins stronger/bigger than Tate. Hmmmm. What's not to like. Won't have problems in short yardage.
Hopefully he isnt a locker room cancer like TP is.
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How does Storm Duck not end up in Oregon?
That’s a great quacktion.
Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted.
His name certainly fits the bill
I see waddle you did there.
Probably didn't want to cause a flap back home.
Or he could have gone to Oregon State. Then, Beavers fans could say of their rivals, “you’re all a bunch of fair weather Ducks. We have a Storm Duck.”
I went on mgoblog last night just for shitz and giggles to see what the TTUN faithful had to say about the early signing period. Low and behold there is an article on Ohio State and the elite success in recruiting that occurred under UFM. They seem to think now that UFM is gone that the Buckeyes will go back to their "average recruiting days under John Cooper and Jim Tressel," where, they claim, they actually out recruited the Buckeyes.
I hope they're wrong and that Day understands, as UFM did, that (top)recruiting is what separates the Alabama's, Clemson's and Ohio State's from the Michigan's, Texas', and Tennessee's of the world.
One other thing:
That didn't sound like a 17-year-old that existed in the same city as me, it sounded like a tall tale in the same realm of "reality" as Paul Bunyan, John Henry or D.J. Byrnes.
That's funny, right there.
The desperation/delusion is strong up there. Because they owned Coop in The Game they believe he was an average recruiter. I guess they forgot about all the NFL talent he brought in - which is why it was so damn frustrating watching us blow huge halftime leads to MSU that ruined a potential National Championship season, or seeing some Canadian running back with an unpronounceable name kill us (Biakabatuka).
I told Mrs. Oldschool that I think Day could be the equivalent of Urban at BGSU - a genius offensive mind & great recruiter who not many have heard of, except Ryan has something Urbs didn’t have at BG: all the resources of tOSU.
But, hey, let ‘em continue to drink the Harbaugh Kool Aid. Their tears are delicious and their whining music to my ears.
They say "out-recruit Ohio State" and all I hear is "sleepovers and climbing trees"
Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege.
Tyrion: A wedding.
Your avatar is fantastic, R-Man. If it isn’t a t-shirt, it should be.
Its funny that they think they out recruited us. But I guess they have to hang on to something. Our average player rating was almost 2 full points better than theirs. They get a lot of credit for having a bigger class than we did. But at the end of the day, half their roster is made up of 3 star talent. 3 star talent on a team not known for developing guys particularly well.
Cant wait to see Zach Harrison doing football wearing Scarlet and Gray.
We are absolutely loaded. Is is August 31st yet?
The 2019 class is really a continuation of the same level of recruiting we have become accustom to, just with a few less kids this cycle.
For everyone saying this is a down recruiting class for #OhioState, it's just low on numbers. #Buckeyes have the third-highest rating per commit in the country so far in 2019 headlined by three five-stars. Pound for pound one of the nation's best hauls: https://t.co/vYHvIpM5CK
— Steve Wiltfong (@SWiltfong247) December 20, 2018
Getting Nester in February, and maybe another on OL would be sweet, and move along to the 2020 class.
With that in mind, we could get 85 5* transfers and have 0.00 recruiting rating per team and per player. Can you imagine what mgoblog would do with that
1. Buckeye fans are not diffident with their quarterback opinions.
2. I'm glad Ryan Jacoby still uses cursive writing because his printing is terrible (message intent is fine.)
3. How long before a writer gets access to the transfer portal and spills all the names? Thamel's ethics are above that, but McMurphy would do it in an instant.
4. The article about the Mongrels reminds me of the motorcycle rider in Raising Arizona.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
So if this Fields kid does indeed transfer to The Ohio State University, would he count as part of this recruiting class?
Asking for a friend.
Don't think that transfers count in the recruiting rankings. Only on the scholarship count.
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I’m not sure what was more impressive from Fields, his running or passing. So many times he disappeared in the DL only to emerge on the other side and outrunning the secondary. Then he was dropping dimes from 40-yards out throwing a ball that looks a lot like a Dwayne Haskins pass.
People seem worried that he’ll be promised the starting position. But given his talent, I don’t think he needs that sort of head start. And if Martell or Baldwin wins the battle, the player who wins the job will be better from the competition.
Great early signing day, even with the wrong direction flips. Time to buckle down and enjoy the holidays and a “ride off into the sunset” Rose Bowl win for Urbs.
Braving the long dark of the offseason
Steele Chambers is an awesome name ... but how did Oregon miss out on Storm Duck?
That's not shade at Martell, who was the Gatorade Player of the Year, never lost a game as a starter in high school and was the No. 2 dual threat quarterback in the class, behind only Tua Tagovailoa. It's just how good Fields is.
Then Jake Fromm must be Roger Staubach, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees rolled into one, because Fields couldn't beat him out. Martell is a winner... but he's 5 inches shorter than Fields, so 75% of this community knows that he'll transfer and Justin Fields will start. Listen, if Fields can come in here, and within 7 months beat out another 5 star national player of the year who's put two years into the program, and who has shown the maturity and dedication to sit, learn, and wait his turn, well, then I guess Fields is all you say he is. Martell is being sold short (no pun), and that's just when he could be at his best. I'd love to see Fields transfer here... but I won't be surprised if Martell hangs onto the job he's worked very hard for two years to get.
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I think the issue with Fields is he feels he did beat Jake Fromm out and has proven that he's better, but does not feel like he's getting a fair chance. And that's all fair, but you're acting like Tate has already proven something and has the quarterback job locked down if Fields doesn't come, and I'm not sure that's the case. My understanding has always been that Matthew Baldwin is at worst very, very close and it would be a strong competition.
Also, Fields isn't just better because he's taller. He's better because he's better.
Paul Bunyan, John Henry or D.J. Byrnes.
One of these is not like the other...
I dont care who the next QB is as long as they can complete passes and keep opposing defenses from shutting our offense down. More worried about Day fixing the defense tbh.
Storm Duck sounds like the perfect Oregon recruit. Did they drop the ball too?
That Fields clip alone should cause sleepless nights for Harbaugh.
Mark May is a mental midget
My God those HS highlights of Fields are incredible. Particularly the second one. How the hell does he not get sacked on that play much less end up scoring?
That first play in the Fields highlight video was unreal. Falling back, getting hit and just flicks it 50 yards in the air on the money to the WR down the field. Wow. Then later he's hurdling tacklers like Zeke. Crazy good.
In the Fields film I saw a few things. One, the kid can run and is a legit dual-threat QB. Two, he has a great "touch" on the ball, especially deep. And three, I see no evidence of a strong arm. I watched him this year at Georgia, his arm is average at best for the difficult throws. The sideline out throws are average. Arm strength throws are average. Before anyone gets pissy here, there is a huge difference between deep throw touch and arm strength. I see a career backup here. The same as he is presently at Georgia.
What have you seen from Tate Martell that would make you think he has a stronger arm rom Justin Fields? That's a serious question.
Looks like Fields has the stronger arm but I don’t think arm strength is a problem for either one.
What I didn’t see in Fields’ highlights that I wanted to see was his touch on short and intermediate routes. Seemed like everything was a bomb.
You can see that a bit in his freshman highlights at Georgia:
What have you seen from Fields that makes you sure he has a stronger arm than Baldwin (Ryan Day's first QB recruit), all I am reading about on this very site AND others is how Baldwin can throw. His highlights show he can run and I who have had the pleasure of watching both Georgia and Texas high school football would say that either had better competition.
I too am asking seriously.
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
Hes a starter, like Tate Martell, at most power 5 schools. If he arrives here, in all likelihood he starts, and sadly enough, Martell will transfer and start at another power 5 school. Or Fields will transfer somewhere else and start there.