I have conflicting feelings over the whole situation. That said (and not to get too ahead of myself)... I am pretty excited about Jack Miller in a few years.
I'd take Haskins for one more year if given the choice between those 3 options.
You're messing with my emotions, man! That's tough. I like the idea of Tate for 3 just for consistency's sake. Of course, that's assuming that he does really well.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
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Haskins. Revealed excellence over potential 10 times out of 10.
Id start Tate this next year and let the rest work its self out over the year. Haskins should go to NFL. He ll have to sit a year anyway to get rid of bad habits and learn so it ll do him good. Fields, if he comes and actually stays will have his shot.
If Haskins goes in the first 10 picks, he will not be sitting long behind a veteran QB. That's why you take a rookie QB that high. Pay the man and let him play.
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Can't people just answer the question
Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.
I would pick Haskins if I got to go with it, but he will be gone but given his success I would pick him in a heartbeat. Fields would be after that and then Tate. I like Martel ok, but I feel the other guys have more upside.
First, I assume Haskins will not be here next year (although I wish he will be).
Second, even if Fields is a LITTLE better than Tate and Baldwin, I would rather see either of our current QBs over Fields. I just don't think it is fair for Fields to jump our guys who have worked their tails off to be next in line.
Third, if Tate starts for 3 years, he must be very good to keep Baldwin on the bench.
My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.
Haskins, Tate, then Miller would be the bees knees. If Grinch can sort out the defense (after Day sorts out the best man) we’d be in for another run of playoff contention.
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Great question, YankeesCum! I’d choose Haskins - the qb that gives us the best chance to win next year. This would be my philosophy going into every season.
Your capitalization choice in writing the OP's name sure did change the way I read it...
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New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
OP's name is accurate no matter where you put the pause. They are and they do, I would imagine, at least some.
Bring back the Heisman Trophy Candidate - a proven winner that is feared and knows how to beat ttun both at home and on the road.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I'm more excited about Miller than Fields. What's more, that a five star national player of the year who was undefeated in high school Vs elite national competition is considered an afterthought by the vast majority of this community is dumbfounding. I'd take Martell if he's guaranteed to stay for three years, just to answer your question. And to be clear, I hope Fields does in fact transfer to Ohio State... it'll be one helluva battle in that quarterback room.
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The vibe with Tate is very interesting. He went to an elite program, was definitely impactful in the years he led them to national championships, yet hasn’t been asked to do anything here other than to try to be JT Barrett in the red zone. Even when he came in earlier in the year, he was only asked to throw screens.
i want a diverse offense, and I want the Clemson’s and Alabama’s to have to defend the entire field when we play them. If Tate can do that, then I don’t see anyone unseating him. If he can’t, then I’d much rather have a less mobile QB with a great arm, but Wilson’s offenses have always had a QB who can pick up first downs with their legs when needed.
Tate made some pretty good passes early in the year. Against Tulane and Rutgers he had some longer passes that were well thrown.
True world beater defenses there. I am not saying he did not have good passes but he did not play against better teams. He also underthrew deep balls at times and in general is just more unknown.
I think Miller is the QB of the future for OSU, but the Fields thing does not impact him much at all. Given there is another season before Miller can even join the team.
Unless I am missing something Martell is listed as a four star prospect when he was taken. I do not know much about the guy other than what I have seen. He looks decent but nothing to write home about in my view. With being the guy he would probably be better but he was not the passer Haskins was (few are) and is for sure faster with his legs.
I am just meh towards him. The coaches get to make the call on that though.
I just don't see Fields coming here. He wants to go where he will start next year. And I'm sure Day would make him beat out Tate and Matt, so no guarantee of starting.
I want a confident QB that doesn't shy away from competition and can lead the offense and make plays to win.
Haskins for one, Fields for two, Tate for three, Baldwin for four....I really don't care. I want a bona fide winner that can lead with confidence and laughs in the face of adversity.
No such thing as a bad win
Haskins then Martell.
Haskins is not coming back so get use to it and Martell is going back to the JT days and that is not what Day prefers. He wants a strong armed qb and told us so yesterday. We didn't load up with out standing wide receivers to run the qb. Tate would be great but not here with all the passing he would have many tipped and batted passes at the line of scrimage just like McSorley had in his career. Miller and Baldwin and anyone else recruited in the future will be throw first strong arm qb's. If Fields comes here another passer will be in this class to to replace Martell when he transfers. I would bet money on it.
JT was an effective runner but Martell is on another level. He was Gatorade national player of the year and the #2 dual threat QB in the nation behind Tua.
Throwing, based on limited sample size, looks pretty good. We are totally set no matter what happens.
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If those are my options I'll take Dwayne Haskins coming in and blowing out some long held NCAA passing marks.
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All in EVERY year, any time you have a chance as you never know when you might again get another chance. Next year will take care of itself.
Is Haskins coming back for a year while Fields has to sit out a year until 2020 an option?
"Success is the only motivational factor that a boy with character needs." Woody
It's not a slam dunk that the NCAA will give Fields immediate eligibility. He might be sitting until 2020 regardless.
I agree. If I had to lay money, I would say the odds are that he has to sit out a year. But the NCAA has done goofier things. Race is such a divisive issue that the NCAA might be scared not to grant it.
I think they are getting very loose with the rules. Antonio Williams was able to transfer and play immediately at UNC becaaaauuuuse....why?
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
Read an older (March of 2018) article that said, the NCAA was considering waiving the wait year for kids who had good enough GPAs. It said it was being considered for the 19-20 season... If Fields has good enough grades (If its something they are considering, maybe Fields doesnt qualify today, but, they grant the waiver because the rule is coming soon), combined with the incident earlier this year, I think he gets immediate eligibility...
Tate for 1 year Fields for 2 years.
We have to replace a lot of the OL and running the ball more with that lack of playing time would probably work best.
Haskins, he's the only proven commodity.
I haven't seen enough from Fields, Tate or Baldwin to be able to make an informed decision between them.
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Kinda funny, your title gets edited to "be more specific". But on the front page there is a pic of our HC and the title is simply "Up in the air". All I have to say is.....POT!
That is all.
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'20 - Fields
'21 - Fields or Miller
'22 - Miller
Interesting view. It could very well be that if Fields comes, he goes hardship after 2020 (maybe even after 2019 if he has a Heisman type season).
I would change your 2021 prediction to "Fields, Baldwin, or Miller"
I would be shocked if Haskins came back. I would love it but would be shocked. If Fields transfers, I would guess he or Martell would start next year and likely 2020. Then Miller after that, if I had to guess.
Haskins ain't coming back.
19 - Fields
20 - Fields
21 - Baldwin
22 - Baldwin
23 - Miller
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
Haskins does nothing all 2017, converts a 3rd down pass against Michigan and everyone is ready to crown him the next Brett Favre.
Martell puts up Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson highlights in 2018 in the few opportunities he’s given and everyone’s ready to push him out the door.
i just don’t get it. People act like being under 6ft makes him a f’ing cripple. All of this shit is just so disrespectful.
great post but I differ on your Haskins take. Haskins proved himself this year, period. I agree though on Martell, the dude is a WINNER. He is CHOMPING AT THE BIT to get in and show what he can do. I seriously don't want to see him leave and play against us somewhere down the road and go, damn, we had him. Kind of like Texas A&M with Kyler Murray. If Fields comes here then I guess we see what shakes out. I'm SO torn about Fields coming here
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Haskins did NOT prove himself in 2017. That’s my point. He was pedestrian at best, and downright horrible at Illinois. But the fan base gave him the benefit of the doubt and supported him when it was his time.
Tate is not getting that same respect despite putting MUCH better plays on film in 2018 than Haskins did in 2017.
Haskins got the benefit of the doubt because he was thrust into THE GAME, and won the damn thing. He was put into a game situation that actually mattered and excelled. I'd argue that is, in fact, proving yourself. He was ready to go and kicked ass when his name was called. His throw to Mack on third and long is going to played in Buckeye history for a long time.
Only place where Tate excelled in 2018 was in mop up duty. The Tate red zone package didn't exactly blow the doors off the hinges either.
Bingo. It is a major underselling of what Haskins did. He did much more than come in and make one throw and be done with it. He led the team back. And made consistent good throws in a rivalry game where Michigan could taste the win.
That is hardly nothing. And not to knock the guy but Tate looked good in some mop up duty and awful in others (particularly when not playing with all the first string guys).
There was definitely a loud segment of fans not supporting Haskins and saying Tate should play over him.
Haskins had a clutch win over TTUN while Tate has garbage time throws against unequal competition. Tate deserves a chance to compete to win the job but nothing more than that.
Right? I get that people loved seeing what the offense looked like with Haskins vs JT, but JT was no slouch where it counted, and that was handing out L's. Martell appears to be a better passer and runner than JT was, albeit in a slightly smaller package. Haskins had 1 good year - granted it was a historic, record breaking year, but he had virtually nothing prior to it.
Fields couldnt beat out Fromm, who was above average as a freshman but everyone assumed Fields would beat out due to his otherworldly talent. That didnt quite go according to plan, and rather than stick around and compete Fields is going to transfer out. Not exactly what you want out of a QB IMO.
Everything that happens-good and bad-should motivate you to be persistent. ~JT
To be honest, Martell pretty much threatened to transfer at times because he was not going to be the guy. I am not sure we are being fair here. I do not know the full story out in Georgia but if they have a starter that is solid, than I imagine they would stick with him unless there are issues. Simple as that, most programs do not change QBs unless something big happens.
JT was a great college QB, I prefer Haskin's style of play in general though. The WRs are more involved. I worry that Martell gets hurt more easily because he is more prone to just taking off. Braxton was the same way in some games. JT had a great run, but one has to imagine if Haskins stayed or played that long, he would shatter all the records.
I get you are building up Martell, and the guy is a good player, but he basically threatened to take off as well if he was not going to be involved. You want a QB who wants to be the guy, or what is the point. QBs transfer to play all of the time. It does not mean they are quitters or anything like that. Some guys are fine riding the bench behind better players but a competitor may or may not be ok with it.
Joe Burrow transferred too and there is still a fair bit of love for that guy here.
Martell never threatened to leave or even hinted at it. He ants to play or be involved, which anyone could understand. Dude had been around for 2 years waiting for his shot.
Also, in regards to Fields, why doesn’t he just stay? Fromm is a Sophomore. Eligible to go to the league next year. Fields runs the risk of transferring and losing, and Tate isn’t heading to the league early. He’d be sitting behind Martell for potentially 3 years.
"Go out there, make plays, they'll remember your name forever. FOREVER!" - J.T. Barrett
That is not true, unless you were not paying attention during the offseason. It is one of the reason they put the packages for him in the first place. To have him be involved so he would not be that upset and consider transferring. So, while I do not remember a specific quote, there were many reports that he was unhappy and was considering his options. That is basically the same thing.
He wants to play, but so does Fields. I do not see a difference other than one got caught complaining on camera. That is about it to me. They both are in a similar situation. Why doesn't he just stay and wait his time? He wants to play now and thinks he will get a fairer chance to compete somewhere else.
That is it. I do not see a reason to assume Fields is a coward and Martell is a paragon of vritue. They both want to play. Cannot fault either for that.
I think you are majorly underselling Haskins. The coming in for JT Barrett when OSU was losing a game and leading the team back is why he was given the nod. He made the great throw to Mack but also made some very good throws to WRs on crossing routes in stride and helped keep drives going with his feet too. So, it is not like one throw. And it was a good defense.
Haskins then came out and supported that outing against subpar teams and then did well against better teams. Destroying the team that he bested the year before
Martell has looked mixed in the outings he has had. He has looked good against subpar competition. And not good at all when in there with some of the second string guys.
I am a little worried about how he holds up as a running QB and not being a big guy. Might not matter but it may. A running QB means you need a good back up, even if it is only getting knocked out a few plays.
Not knocking Martell, but he has done nothing near what Haskins has done in a college game that matters.
Haskins no doubt. Among the best CFB passers in the last 10 years and still can make improvements in his game. Carried a seriously flawed team this year, and next year the OL and Defense should be improved. They'd be right in the mix.
Tate is an exciting player, but there will be a step back initially. Fields is an unknown to me. I know a lot of people see him as Watson2.0, but without seeing him start against top teams, those kind of comparisons seem like a stretch to me.
I agree, I just think that Fields has a very high upside in both regards. Tate is a good college player too. We have not seen either play against competition worth much either way. Both want to play. I just do not see a reason not to take Fields if he is interested. He is a freak athlete, from what I am reading, and could potentially help OSU win.
Martell could get a shot at starting anyway depending on eligibility stuff and just knowing the playbook and system better. That said, there will be a step back in the passing game from this year. Both because of losing some good WRs and Tate not being the prolific passer that Haskins is. I also worry that he is more prone to injury, as he does not seem like a very big guy.
I'd take Haskins for one more year-proven Heisman caliber player, plus I doubt Martell would transfer-and if he did-so what-you don't trade a year of Heisman level greatness for potential that isn't any higher, in terms of production.
I’ll take JT for 3 more years please ahahahahahaha just kidding of course. Give me Cardale.
Trudat Kyson, if Day had been here with Cardale, he would have started the entire season, and we 2015 would have turned out a hell of a lot better. Cardale is one of my all time favorites up there with Antoine and Big Kat. Which begs the question, why the hell didn't we recruit Winfield's son?
Of course I would love to have Haskins back for another year, given his record setting season. Nobody else mentioned has proven they can match what Dwayne did.