Tate Martell on the Haskins NFL Debate

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rkylet83's picture

I think that’s what everyone else is thinking too.  

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

Week it's unfortunate, he won't be starting. It will either be Baldwin, and if fields transfers here it will be fields

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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RK84's picture

Have an UV you're gonna need it around here with that burner of a comment

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BuckAlum09's picture

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Baldwin isn’t starting over Tate. Fields vs Tate would be a competition though 

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RK84's picture

Big if true, thanks Coach.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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BuckAlum09's picture

You got them power ball numbers? Asking for a friend. DM me.

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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NapervilleBuck's picture

Sorry but wouldn't Fields need to sit a year after transferring?

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cecsix's picture

He hired Shea Patterson's lawyer who got Patterson a waiver.  He's going to try to challenge the rule based on being a victim of racial intimidation/harassment at UGA.  The prevailing thought is that the NCAA won't have the stones to deny him based on something that sensitive.  

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c92996p's picture

The most surprising thing about this tweet is that I had no idea JK was that short until I looked it up.

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bbb's picture

I've seen him in person. he is NOT tall at all

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kmp10's picture

So have I. I've stood directly next to both Martell and Troy Smith. I'm 6'1", and Martell, using my 6'1" frame as the standard, was as tall as Smith, who's listed at 6'0" but is nowhere near that tall. I'd say Tate is 5'10"-5'11". Listen, he's an elite athlete who had the balls and commitment to wait his turn behind Barrett and Haskins, which is more than can be said for Fields. To be clear, I'll be happy if Fields comes to Ohio State, but I do not believe that he will automatically beat out Martell. I mean, Tate Martell was on the same level as Fields as a dual threat QB recruit and he's already been in the program for two years. Lots of quarterbacks are short... Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Doug Flutie, Kyler Murray (who was said to be 5'9" during the Heisman insanity)... but Martell has the 'it' factor, just like the four aforementioned guys. I cannot understand the doubt about Martell on this site. I have no idea where that comes from. 

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BuckAlum09's picture

I look forward to seeing his 'IT' factor dominating at the collegiate level. No doubt the kid is a special talent by what we know for sure.

I think Fields transferring in would propel Tate to even higher levels of hard work and determination. Only good things can come of Baldwin and Fields battling Tate for QB1.

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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logamaniac's picture

The only comparison between fields and Tate are they both played highschool football.  Fields is going to be handed every opportunity to live up to his hype where Tate is expected to keep that clipboard in his hand.  

Tate could be a brees I don’t know, I wouldn’t count him out but it’s not looking like we are going to find out what he’s capable of in a Buckeye uniform given the way this post/offseason is trending. 

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bbb's picture

lol I was talking about JK and that had nothing to do with qb's, but i guess you just needed somewhere to vent 

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kmp10's picture

Oops... mea culpa, Bbb

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BuckeyeJay's picture

Troy Smith's official height at the NFL combine was 6'0 

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Brandon26841's picture

Maybe you're taller than you think, Kmp. Smith measured in at exactly six foot even at the NFL combine in socks. 

http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=12424&draftyear=200...

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kmp10's picture

Fellas, I stood side by side with Troy Smith at the 07 national championship game in New Orleans and he was much shorter than me. I certainly can't dispute the combine numbers, but the Troy Smith I met that evening looked a good amount shorter than 6'0". I read not long ago were players guzzle gallons of water, put orthopedics in their socks, and do special neck exercises to manipulate their true height and weight before the measurables at events like the senior bowl and/or the combine. I don't know, but I do know what I saw that night by the Superdome.

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Thatunmguy's picture

Spot on! I've personally been looking forward to seeing Tate having a full shot to prove himself. He's been a hell of a Buckeye and cannot ask much more from a guy with his accolades coming in, learning the system, being a great representative of the University on and off the field. I'm sure that's what most Georgia fans would have preferred with Fields. Bide your time, earn it, and take advantage of the opportunity when it comes. I don't see any chance that Tate is not successful and I'd hate to see him on another sideline across from our beloved Buckeyes. He'd have a hell of a chip on his shoulder.

Tate, Baldwin and Fields, by CFP committee standards, I'm sure would all pass the "Eye Test" in a Ryan Day Buckeye Offense. Let the best man win the job and the other pieces fall where they may. Still much respect for Tate and how he chooses to handle these rumors and waves of negativity.

Buckeye4Life_2009Alum

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thedewman10's picture

I think the same. Murray is probably  even shorter and look what he has done. Martell brings a mixed bag of it all. And he will not hesitate to run and he can run with them. His only downfall at this level is what his strong point is. He is a fighter. He won’t back down. And that could get him killed..LOL...So it’s good to have a stacked QB room. But I think he is a good one.

TheDewMan10

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LW O-H's picture

 Archie wasn't very tall either. Or should I say he was just as short. Did that hamper him?

 GO BUCKS!!

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Bringthejuice's picture

We'll never win with a short quarterback.....

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c92996p's picture

That's what Texas and Texas A&M said when Brees tried to get an offer from them.

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Bucks2TheNatty's picture

Kyler Murray is a good inch shorter than Tate. We’ll be alright. 

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RK84's picture

yeah we will, since he wont see the field.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Bringthejuice's picture

He was never going to do anything at Ohio State but hold a clipboard.....

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Earle's picture

Well, maybe if he stands on top of the bench...

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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Bringthejuice's picture

Hahaha so true..... All kidding aside, he's not a big guy at all, but I'd sure hate to be any B1G DC having to stop him. I'm excited to see what he looks like in the fall, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if we [at the least] have another Heisman finalist

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PittBuckeye's picture

Upvotes because so many people missed the obvious sarcasm.

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Dstacify's picture

Troy Smith would like a word. He only won the Heisman his final season here. If Tate were playing TE or WR I'd be more concerned about his height but not at QB. He'll be fine.

11 Strong.

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BrutusB's picture

Troy was 6'0.  I don't care what the media guy says, Tate is like 5'9 at best.

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TigerSweat's picture

I've stood next to Tate. He's my height almost exactly. I'm 5'9

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Earle's picture

In your stilettos, maybe.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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Dstacify's picture

Tate is listed at 5'11, not 5'9. Maybe actually post facts next time. That's only 1 inch shorter than Troy.

11 Strong.

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Jay_sizzle's picture

Tate is definitely 5’9 , colleges have the tendency to lie about height and weight, there was a video OSU posted on their page , JK dobbins & Martell are roommates.... dobbins was fairly taller than Martell which really threw me off

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mittenst8buck's picture

So is Haskins like 5' 11 as well
..and the whole O-Line about the same?

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PittBuckeye's picture

Came in a little hot there boss. Colleges lie sometimes. I was listed as 6'4" in college and I'm barely 6'2" on a good day.

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RK84's picture

Sometimes genius is misunderstood. Good show Juice.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

Sarcasm is allowed here?

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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RK84's picture

You're more than welcome to try, but should probably build a nice base of HS first. Some might people on this site are a bit sensitive.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Afonzai's picture

should probably build a nice base of HS first

Best advice I've seen

Thumbs up

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Rocket Man's picture

I don't think it is.  I for one have never made a sarcastic comment in my life.

Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege. 
Tyrion: A wedding. 
Varys: Exactly.

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GareBear's picture

Nope

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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Bringthejuice's picture

Only if you're in the mood for a good laugh as you watch the DVs pour in

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Feel like Baldwin is going to give Tate all he can handle in this competition. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Dstacify's picture

I'm sure he will but I still think Tate wins the job. If Fields ends up coming here there's a good chance Baldwin might end up being third string again.

11 Strong.

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logamaniac's picture

Let’s be real here.  If fields shows up on the roster then tate picks a new team to play for. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

100 percent correct. Baldwin stays and Mathis is redshirted creating distance between him and Fields. Miller not really affected. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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linepilot15's picture

If Fields would win the job you would be correct. But he won't leave just because Fields shows up on the roster. Don't they have like four games into the season to transfer now? I can't understand why people think that a kid that has never lost a game, was the National player of the year in high school can't play. At least wait till he plays a game before writing him off.

linepilot

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Go1Bucks's picture

I think you forgot the italics...

Go Bucks!

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Reuben's picture

Stop sleeping on Chris Chugunov, guys!

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GareBear's picture

Forgot about that guy. Wonder if the coaches have as well /s?

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

i had no idea that J'Kaylin Dobbins was short

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LB U's picture

Kind of strange timing for this with all the Justin Fields stuff out there.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I think the Martell vs. Baldwin debate is interesting, BUT the Fields vs. Martell vs. Baldwin debate is even more interesting.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Do we really want QBGeddon II?

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Here's my thought. When it was Cardale vs. JT Urban Meyer handled that situation very poorly. My POV on it was that he seemed to gun shy to damage either guy's ego (or perceived ego) and didn't want to commit to one guy fully.

I think a QB-Geddon II really wouldn't be a problem as long as Coach Day identifies his guy and sticks with him and makes that player give him a reason to take him off the field.

It wasn't so much the JT/Cardale situation it was how the staff handled it and wouldn't go all-in on one guy. If Day handles it like that, then it could be an issue for sure.

Otherwise, it's just the Buckeyes landing a transfer from a very good player.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I was speaking more for the forums. Bad enough having 10+ Harrison threads. Remember how many QB threads there were that summer? (shudders)

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Hey, that's just opportunity granting you the chance to up those Helmet Sticker numbers!

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Buck68's picture

when a leader chooses bases on his preferences instead of criteria [principles in common]... he paints himself into a corner be cause we all have personality preferences which degrade our 'objectivity'.

this condition of ours makes decision criteria 'relevant'... and reveals biases behind preferences.

These are the major rational factors in assessing 'credibility'.  Honesty, not favor is the leader's foundation for his Integrity. 

Leadership is not a popularity contest, nor who's the best BSer.  NB also that BSing the opponent [aka Deception]... is the greatest force multiplier!

c/f BSing your self and/or your teammates... ifs often fatal suddenly, and scatters 'honesty'...into fratricide.

Don't pick a fair-whether friendly for foul weather during hunting season.

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MindSurfr's picture

Where are we starting QBGeddon? if QBG1 is Cardale vs JT, then isn't QBG2 Haskins vs Burrow? making Martell vs Baldwin (vs Fields) QBG3?

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Haskins-Burrow wasnt even close to the original. There were at least 50 threads that popped up July/August 2015 and those are the ones I can remember.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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OSU56's picture

Never rule out Tate- he will compete. Never rule out anyone that has the desire.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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GareBear's picture

I’m pro Tate - until he shows reason to believe otherwise 

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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Independence Village 22's picture

Its either going to be here or another team, but Tate Martell is taking a team to the college football playoffs. Might as well say the exact same thing for Fields. They both are "THAT" good.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

For sure. Martell is going to be elite 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Whether it’s Tate or Fields next season, Ohio State’s offense will be in good hands 

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DowntownBuck's picture

Well it can't be Fields "next season"...needs to sit a year

Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.

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blocko330's picture

Well let me stop ya there because it's not a certainty he would have to sit out a year. 

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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OSUFlash's picture

Tate can run like a spooked deer and can throw BB's with the best of them. He's played behind tall offensive lines his entire life.........nothing new to him. His ability to win and his competitive fire is on another level which might be the difference maker.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

100%. If Haskins turns pro, Martell is the next man up without a doubt. Martell is a gamer 

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WoodyLivesOn's picture

Off topic a bit, but guaranteed Tate gets a TD pass in the Rose Bowl.  I think UFM was setting things up when he had Tate in at the goal line against ttun and ran the ball every play.  If they are in that situation in Pasadena, I can see a play action run with either a jump pass or a TE leaking out.

Just bringing this up, because some solid play by Tate in the Rose Bowl may change some of the narrative.

"Success is the only motivational factor that a boy with character needs." Woody

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readnguy's picture

I truly hope, when Tate Martel gets his opportunity, that he makes absolute fools out of some of you boneheads. Probably the same folks that bad mouthed Haskins when he pulled a little mop up duty behind Barrett by running into the line time and time again. Good grief, give the kid an opportunity to prove himself before you write him off!

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woodyson's picture

"So, you know, honestly, the thing when I read some of them is I feel terrible for them because there's no way they're happy. They've got to be some of the most unhappy people in the world, and I feel bad because we just made them less happy, and I hate to be a part of making someone less happy. I mean, they're already miserable and to make them less happy, I'd feel bad."

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Awful ironic the volume of “Tate waited his turn” comments, where with other guys (who did the same) they were said to be playing because of seniority and blocking the PT of the young pups.

Nothing like shifting narratives dependent upon who is being talked about.  Lol!

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HiFiver25's picture

As surprised as I was with Deayne’s passing abilities, I was even more mystified by the disappearance of the running game. Common sales tells me that a good passer would automatically improve the rush offense since the opponent can’t key in on the run.

i personally couldn’t care less who Quarterbacks for us as long as they don’t throw picks like candies in a carnival. Ohio St was never the QBU. I would rather want an OL that can run block along with a good game manager QB who can make some clutch throws.

Bdutta

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

The running game struggled some because teams sold out to stop the run and made Haskins beat them all by himself. Luckily Dwayne and our WRs had the talent to do it. 

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Rascall's picture

I just started reading about Field's transfer. Has there been articles (quotes) concerning Field's interest in OSU? I was under the impression he would need to sit a year.
Those 2 points would make most of these comments irrelevant 1. If he has shown no interest 2. He sits a year.

From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.

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Rascall's picture

Nvm, I'm up to speed now. Still too many questions though. We need a little more excitement.

"Pressure....continual opportunities for others to see our true character."

From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.

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Big 'Ole Buck's picture

Someone mentioned Mathis earlier in this thread, and that ship has now sailed as of today.  He flipped to Georgia.  Whether that flip was because Fields left, or because Fields may be coming to Columbus, is a moot point.  He gone.

I agree with a poster from above when they stated so very many thought Haskins was "not ready" etc. etc.  Dude balled out in a big way.  Martell has shown me enough that I am willing to give him some leeway when it comes to being the QB at tOSU.  The competition with Baldwin should be a good one.  I'm leaving Fields out of the entire conversation, because if for some reason he decides to come to OSU, all bets are off in regard to the QB room.  If I am Ryan Day, I cannot possibly say no to Fields, right?  Or can I....

This is a situation that Ryan Day cannot possibly screw up.  He's got one chance to get it right.  Pick a guy, and stick with him unless the situation gets so bad that there is no other choice.  I'll agree with RK above in that UFM handled the JT/Cardale situation about as poorly as possible.  I hated that season.  QB controversies are divisive and rarely turn out well. 

Go Bucks!

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