Win is a win but that effort is not going to cut it vs high level teams
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
I would agree that there were times where the effort was lacking, but Bucknell is not a slouch team..
They had lost to Canasius , Fairfield , and Northeastern who have a combined record of 9 - 19 .... they have beaten Vermont , ST. Bonaventure, Monmouth and La Salle who have a combined record of 11-30... the way they played the Bucks they seem legit but that record seems to say otherwise maybe this year...may have just been up for the Bucks.
They had one of their best players out with an injury. This was his second game back.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
Bucknell may not dressup like a high level team, but they played with a level of discipline and physicality thst will see them in the tourney again. Its not always about how you dress up. Good win and wakeup call for the B1G season. Good scheduling of OOC games by Holtmann.
You're absolutely right. A win is a win.
Never place a bet on anything that can talk.
Good win versus a team that won 25 games last season. Not a slouch, in any way.
Buckeyes lucky to win after inconsistent effort. Gotta get better at turnovers, rebounding and constant defense.
NCAA will credit Bucknell for close loss on road vs ranked team.
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
A little bit better clutch offense would help.
They will win their league again and be in the tourney.
The rebounding was solid. Turnovers remain an issue.
Survive and Advance.
This felt like a first round NCAA tournament game. Bucknell seems to do this every year in March.
Tough Win...and BINGO!!
Need to clean up the turnovers, but good job to cut the lead and weather the storm.
Lets get better and continue the Win train!!
Playing with fire basketball bucks. Great to see resilience though in the comeback and clamping down on the last defensive stand. Looking forward to the UCLA game in a week.
In the poll era (since 1936), OSU is by far the class of the B1G:
National Titles: OSU 8, UM 3
B1G Titles: OSU 33, UM 27
Head-to-head: OSU 42, UM 36
Major Bowls (New Year's Six): OSU 20-14, UM 10-16
That better be finals week hangover. The sheer aloofness the last 5 minutes is very alarming. We were playing like we were up 20 with 3 minutes to play, not up 10 with 5 to play. Holtmann better get that straightened out.
Or what? This is young team that is going to make mistakes and has a long way to go and this year's team is not going to confuse anyone with Duke. It's true that it's going to be hard against the best and even some of the middle of the road Big Ten teams, but constant complaints about things like effort being alarming is just plain out of line. This game was not lost because in the end the team gave the effort to salvage a win. Maybe it wasn't pretty, but I don't see how anyone can say that the effort wasn't there. I would have liked to have seen a blowout, but a win is a win and that sure beats blowing a ten point lead for a loss. This is basketball and the other teams are going to make runs and keeping those runs under control is the mark of a team worth watching.
Settle down there, chief. I don’t expect a blowout every game. And I said aloof, not effort. We played the last 5 minutes like we were up 25, not 10. We lost a sense of urgency. And there’s nothing wrong with the criticism. We nearly blew a game that was well put away.
Sorry, I didn’t see an aloof team. Teams led by Amir, Loving, Lyle, now they were aloof. This team, which almost always gives big effort on the defensive end, had some mental lapses. That happens sometimes after a 10-day layoff. Our rival struggled with a directional Michigan school for the same reason.
Everyone needs to pump the breaks. 10 day layoff = getting the rust off. Typical after mid-term's game, with (((very young/very inexperienced/very inconsistent results/basically no legit Bigs/and a guard run offense.)))
What's the problem going 9-1 ? This may be these bballr's mo finishing for ahwile.
Give Holt some slack what he's got to work with.
I’m a big fan of Holtmann’s and will continue to be. You guys wanna take one comment I made about one game, go ahead.
Dude, sometimes people don’t agree. Talk about being sensitive.
Just tired of having to qualify my appreciation for Holtmann and anything else on here when I make one fucking critical comment about a 5 minute stretch in one game.
If someone had told you we would be sitting where were at with one loss at this point in the season we would have taken it in a heartbeat
Andre Wesson lost three teeth and kept playing. The effort's there.
Good win. Bucknell is a very good team and will very likely be a tournament team. I wish the Buckeyes could have executed better on a couple of offensive possessions under 4 minutes and hit a couple more FTs, but a good, tough, gritty win.
Bucknell will be in the NCAA Tournament and will win a few games. OSU just beat a good opponent. Good win and good test.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
I agree with you, but cue up the comments saying that they lost to Fairfield and Northeastern.
Two of their early season losses (including the Fairfield loss) were without their leading scorer.
They had been playing much better in their last 4 games leading up to the Buckeye game. And it showed today.
I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.
They will still be in the tournament. Wouldnt be shocked to have to play them again in March.
Agree with you, but people are liking to point to these losses like they’re a bad team. As you State, context. And I haven’t seen them play until today. And the eye test says they’re a pretty good team. Their spacing, ball movement, and shooting (all of their guys can shoot) were excellent. As was their defensive effort. They’re a solid team.
For sure, and I do think the long layover is more of an advantage for the underdog. Michigan looks like they are experiencing the same exam hangover. They are down 17-16 to Western Mich with 6 mins left in the 1st half.
The only thing that bothered me is that Holtmann didn’t seem to be bothered by it. Muhammad commits a really bad turnover, they go to a timeout and he doesn’t say a word to him. I take it he’s not that kind of coach and won’t show his kids up, I guess. I just don’t care to see that type of aloofness again.
Bucknell scored 21 points in the first 19 minutes of the second half, and 10 points in the final minute (outscored the Bucks 10-4). Can't happen.
I also note that Jackson and Kaleb were the only Buckeyes to take free throws in the entire game until Woods was fouled intentionally in the closing seconds. This tells me we're not active enough on offense. (Kudos to Kaleb, BTW, for going 9-10 from the line.)
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Defense was the real issue in this game. It got better when OSU started switching the double screens. Interestingly the refs called almost no fouls on that screening action despite that being a point of emphasis. Least number of fouls I’ve seen on that all season.
Kudos to Kaleb, BTW, for going 9-10 from the line.
Yep. Keep getting better, Buckeyes. Learn and grow.
Looking like uninspired Buckeyes but a win is a win.
Phew - played just well enough to win
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
Bucknell certainly looked better than their record. Some uncharacteristic lazy defense by the Buckeyes in the 1st half, but you got to give credit to Bucknell. Even though they got too many open looks, you still have to make them and they hit 9 threes in the 1st half.
On the other hand, it felt like the Buckeyes could have really busted open the game but missed a few wide open looks (Washington had 2 wide open threes and we missed a couple easy layups). Just glad the Bucks gutted out a win. Speaking of gutting it out, Dre Wesson lost 3 teeth and returned to the game.
Even when playing a flawed game like today, the Buckeyes play with a lot of heart. Unless you are a super elite team, even good major conference teams like osu have a scare or two (or even a loss or two) against good mid major programs like Bucknell. That team was well coached and they were on fire in the 1st half. Certainly not thrilled with the Buckeye performance, but I don't think we played horrible at all.
I agree with a lot of what you posted. Bucknell seems pretty talented and disciplined, and if they are consistent and stay healthy, they may very well enough games to go Dancing.
Buckeyes are too inconsistent on offense, and the turnovers don't help.
Keith Wesson might have a talk with his sons, who were charged with 7 of the 13 OSU turnovers. And their excessive turnovers are, unfortunately, not limited to just today's game.
OSU lost games like this a few years ago (see Texas - Arlington).
Your graphic says Bucknell got 61, not 71 just an FYI
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
Once again Woods had a good game off the bench.
So a close win is now worse than a close loss in some cases in sports?! Becoming hilarious how people judge wins and losses now. Just win.
I agree and I wonder what people who nit-pick everything think they're accomplishing. Maybe they're showcasing their superior analytical skills and there's nothing wrong with pointing out areas that teams need to improve on, but to my way of thinking you're not discussing games just for your friends halfway through a six-pack, you're also speaking directly to the team, so if you really care about the team you should probably not say things like you guys are terrible, but somehow you won. I thought they showed some flashes of brilliance in the game and yeah they had some rough spots too, but they won and that's harder to do than losing.
A yucky game for a yucky day.
Let's be real: Our team overall is pretty average athletically. We're on the small side in terms of height/length for a high-major. We're not very experienced. Our overall skill level is decent, at best.
We have a good coach and we have guys who seem to buy in, but there is very little margin for error with this team. Today is case in point.
We can only hope that the lack of mental focus on defense today was a product of the long lay-off, because if we play defense like that in the B1G we're gonna get beat more often than not.
the empire never ended
'Our overall skill set is decent, at best.'
I think that is a little harsh and I can't say I agree. I think Kaleb Wesson is about as skilled as any center in the conference and in the top 20% or so in the country. He has flaws, obviously, but I am not sure I would say lack of skill attributes to any of those flaws. He could finish a little better around the rim I suppose, but his low level of athleticism is probably more of a factor with that than anything.
And our 4 guards are pretty darn skilled as well. All flawed obviously: CJ (turnovers, streaky shooter), Keyshawn (limited athletically, too passive on offense sometimes), Duane (shot selection, defense), Luther (outside shot, decision making), but there is a ton of overall skill at that position. And most of the flaws are not skill related.
I'd say the one position we are lacking a little in skill is the wing/forward spot. Luckily, all 3 players (Young, Dre Wesson, Jallow) typically play great defense and rarely try to do too much on offense.
It’s easy for us fans to focus on the flaws of our own players and ignore what works. OSU gave an inconsistent effort on the defensive end today. But that is hardly the norm. I actually like that they got pushed, fell behind, and responded. Last few minutes with two missed back ends of the bonus+ and a bad turnover was not good. But again a learning opportunity.
But again a learning opportunity.
Hoping they ARE learning. And further cutting down turnovers: keep 'em under 10 vs YSU.
Continual improvement between the ears (Hoops IQ) would be good.
The 3 or 4 offensive possessions before that really set it up. Seemed like we were trying to drain the clock and that got in the way of taking a good shot. Need to be more efficient, if that’s the right word.
Washington missed a couple of uncontested 3s that would have buried them. One of those shots hit the side of the backboard - oof.
Yeah, he’s my guy, too. I actually think we waited too long to put him in during the 2nd half. He was hit the 1st half then doesn’t see th floor until 10 minutes left in the game.
Agree, BSK. I said this earlier in the year, but all of our guys at any time on the floor can shoot, and shoot from outside if needed. This makes us really hard to defend. And on the other hand, we defend well. I like this team. It will only get better with the recruiting classes coming in.
We don't have anyone in the top 10 of B1G players in any statistical category. Prior to the Illinois game we didn't even have anyone in the Top 23 in scoring. Jardy broke it down: "The Buckeyes do not have a player in the top 23 in the Big Ten in scoring, in the top 13 in rebounding, the top 15 in field goal or three-point percentage or assists or the top 13 in assist-to-turnover ratio."
We have players who know their roles and usually play those roles pretty well and play pretty good team D (though today was not a good showing on that end). We might not have any stars and our ceiling might not be especially high, but if anything that's a testament to the coaching and the typical effort level. Holtmann and his staff seem to have the ability to get their teams to play like more than the sum of the parts, which is hopefully going to remain true once we get some more talented parts on the team. I think it was true last season when we had KBD, so as long as the 2019 class buys in the same way the current guys have, I think the future is looking pretty bright.
The Buckeyes obviously don't have a star like KBD. But their depth and balance attributes more to their lack of statistical leaders than lack of skill, in my humble opinion.
1. They are the only team in the Big 10 with no player averaging more than 29 mins a game.
2. They have 7 players averaging between 7.3 pts (Andre Wesson) and 15.1 pts (Kaleb Wesson) a game.
3. In the first 10 games this year, the Buckeyes already have 9 players that have scored double digits at least twice. Ledee and Jallow have done it twice, everyone else has hit double digits 3 times or more.
4. I am kind of shocked Woods does not place in the top 13 in assist to turnover ratio in the league. Regardless, in 10 games he has 28 assists and only 11 turnovers (2.55 a/to). Seems pretty darn good to me. We need to get CJ closer to that number (currently 1.42 assist/to). Yesterday was a good step as CJ had 6 assists and 2 turnovers.
Today was uneven. I blame the layoff. They should look better Tuesday and then UCLA will be a very good test.
Definitely pleased with the win but the way we closed out both first and second halves gives the team much to learn from and work on. Appreciated the no foul defensive effort in the last 14+ seconds . . . game saver!
Urban Meyer once said there is no bad win. I agree with that. Plenty of teams would have folded and buckled, this team didn't, and that counts for something to me.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
Agreed, in basketball a win is a win and style points don’t matter as much, football on the other hand - well we know how that differs...smh. Hopefully the improve though.
If and hopefully when this team finds consistency, watch out B1G.
Go the win and some fantastic coaching opportunities will come from watching the tape. Wesson had that huge blunder where he caught the ball late and went to the basket. That has to be work the clock time. Under a minute and up 6 Wesson has no business driving to the basket 7 seconds into the shot clock.. He missed a free throw and that set everything up for their final push. Great coaching moment....
I'm going to chalk up the sloppy play to having 10 days off. Expect a much sharper game Tuesday night..
UCLA loses to Belmont.