Haskins, Weber and Hill should all go - their stock isn’t going to be any better next year than it is now.
Arnette and Sheffield should probably stay, but Sheffield might get himself picked based on his 40 time alone at the combine.
Exactly what I was about to post. Haskins, Weber, Hill, and Jones are the only ones that should go. Fuller, Harrison, and Jordan could use another year.
I'd agree with this. If Hill has his degree, he might as well go, he isn't going to improve his status. Weber should be one of the first 5 or 6 RBs selected.
Fuller and Harrison could both be 2nd/3rd rounders if they come back with big years next year,imo.
I think Haskins, though he carried the team this year, still can improve greatly, so another year would do him good, but I think even though he has a good head on him, the lore of money will pull him to the draft. Weber, has improved but still needs to prove he can hold onto the ball better, another year would be best for him too. Hill, I think he is gone. Wish he would stay another year, but like Haskins, the money lore will get him also. Arnette and Sheffield, both can get a lot better with better coaching, hopefully they stay and Day hires better coaches to coach them up. Just my two cents.
Haskins COULD improve, but he’s already likely to be at worst the second QB taken in the draft. He’d be putting off getting paid for an entire year just to maybe get picked like four spots earlier. That’s just reckless.
Weber is a nice back, but he’s not taking Dobbins job next year either. So he’d take another year of pounding for free just to be basically in the same spot. Shelf life of a RB is short enough as it is.
There’s nothing “reckless” about a kid deciding to stay in school and develop himself more physically, educationally, and emotionally. Chasing dollars isn’t everything in this world, especially when the most important things in life are things you can’t buy. Likely Haskins is gone, but he’s not a victim or a fool if he sticks around another year, and neither are the rest of these young men.
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No one called him a victim or a fool. He can develop physically and emotionally while on an NFL roster. If his degree is important to him he can come back and get it in 5-10 years or whenever his career is over.
But if you can earn millions of dollars today OR either earn basically the same amount next year (give or take a few draft spots) while risking a catastrophic injury (Jaylon Smith / Marcus Lattimore / etc) then yes, it is actually reckless to choose the second option.
2 QB's taken last year at #1 and #7 The HIGHEST projected pick for Haskins is#7. Its unlikely that he goes higher than 7 The difference last year between the #1 overall and #7 BOTH QB's was 10 million dollars.
I do think he leaves but lets not pretend that the difference between #1 and 5-6 slots lower is insignificant because its not. Its a MASSIVE amount of difference
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Do not pretend that you care about Haskins developing "physically, educationally, and emotionally". You want him to stay to help the Buckeyes get to the College Football Playoff.
The average NFL player has 3 years in the league to make as much as possible before hitting the real world, where fans no long care about you because you can't benefit them. If you can go in the first round, you do it, regardless of fans telling you how chasing money isn't everything but they wish they had a millions dollars.
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I don't give a rat's rear end about Haskins, frankly, and whatever decisions he does or doesn't make. I've got my own concerns to deal with. He's a full grown man now. My only point is that it's "reckless" to call a kid's personal decisions "reckless" when it comes to leaving school early, for whatever reason. A solid argument could be made for him to stay another year. It would most certainly do him good from a development standpoint. A guy like Sam Darnold comes to mind. He probably could have benefitted from another year in school. Instead he's been thrown to the wolves and paid the price. One thing for absolute certain is that Haskins WILL be a first round draft pick this year, next year, or whenever. I promise you, now that there is precedent for players leaving early, sitting out bowl games, and likely #1 draft pick Nick Bosa leaving the team after week #3, you WILL see more and more talented players having a stellar year as an underclassman/first year starter, and then voluntarily sitting out the rest of their time before the three year post HS mark hits. Nick Bosa (and future Nick Bosa's) didn't have to play one snap this season to improve his draft stock. Is this a problem? I have NO PROBLEM with adults earning money whatsoever. I joined the Army at 17 and never looked back. I ALSO think players should get paid in some way, not just with their scholarship. We can't put the genie back in the bottle back to Jim Delany's rose colored glasses days (pun intended) where "amatuer athletes competed for love of the game and their schools," but we can evolve with the times and recognize the massive amount of loot is made in sports by players, coaches, networks, and everyone else BUT the "student athletes." I only took issue with the notion that it's "reckless" for a kid to make a decision to stay in college. "Reckless" is doing heroin or driving drunk. Staying in school ain't. It took me almost 20 years to the day after graduating from HS to earn my degree from THE Ohio State University and it's still one of the things I'm most proud of in my life. That is all.
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First as others have said, thank you for your service Oldtown, and putting your life on the line to protect our way of life and our right to post our own thoughts on stuff, freedom isn't free and I thank you and all the others that put it on the line for this great country. Now, agree with most of what you said, however I believe student athletes are alrdy getting paid when they receive a full scholarship. Education is not cheap and once they get that degree, it is theirs forever and gives them the ability to support themselves and their families. Most students have to work their asses off to pay their schooling off. I think a lot of the kids forget that. On top of that education, they get healthcare, food, and place to stay and even a place where they can workout throughout the year without paying membership at a gym or something like that. It is only 3 or 4 years they are in school. For what they get in education (Priceless I might add) and their healthcare and food/board ect., that is getting paid and getting paid quite well for the amount of time they are in school. You take the average student and they have to pay out of their pockets or parents pockets in some cases, what would be a fortune. I think they should crunch the numbers and then they would see they are indeed getting paid now. Just my thoughts on it......
Average is just that. QB's have a much longer shelf life. And a guy picked in the first round is going to have a MUCH higher average shelf life than
You spot on. Haskins is a top 2 QB taken. Regardless of needing another year or not.He would be in same boat next year. Weber is what he is. He should go as well. He has enough game footage teams know the back he is. He is not gonna improve his stock any coming back. In fact it might get worse. The more miles on those tires the worse.
To piggy-back on the Weber comment, draft-pick status as a RB is not even that important anymore. Sure, if you are a physical specimen with outstanding athleticism (Zeke, Barkley, Fournette, Gurley) you can find yourself up at the top of the draft boards. Otherwise, if you aren't one of those guys you need to go pro as soon as you can. The majority of running backs producing week-to-week in the NFL are mid-to-late round draft picks, or even undrafted guys (Phillip Lindsay).
Weber is who he is at this point as a RB prospect - no matter where he goes in the draft, I think he's proven he can produce and we will likely see him contributing big-time for an NFL team next season.
No, he wouldn't I'm starting to wonder what you guys are smoking. If Haskins performs even close to what he did this season he will be the #1 QB taken next year and almost a shoo-in for the #1 overall and that is about 10 million a year more than he would get even if he managed to be picked at #7.
I looked at 4 first page mock drafts they had Haskins at 9 the others had him at 14, 13, and 17 the difference last year between #1 and #17 was 20 million dollars. That is a STAGGERING difference in dollars. Why that is so important is that outside of the signing bonus if you're in the first 3 rounds your salary is the same so when you are looking at a VERY high probability of significant spot improvement you would be VERY FOOLISH to NOT think long and hard about leaving early
There is a lot of competition for number 1 overall. That goes by team needs. This year a QBs will not be number 1 overall. I highly doubt anyway. Also the competition for first QB taken next year will be more fierce. So he could actually drop. Also when looking at things like injuries(policies don’t pay enough), coaching change, different o line, different recievers, opponents, schemes etc..... he could stand to lose money. Cardale and Matt Ltinhart lost money. Also money today is worth more than money tomorrow, factor in the time element of investments too. Then he could stand to lose a lot of money.He either is gonna play his way into a great second contract. Or be a career backup. Either way he will be alright. Coming back to OSU is a highly questionable thing to do. I hope his advisors tell him to go. Worst case senario he has to set for a year and learn, he doesn’t earn starting job. Well at least he gets paid to only learn football at a professional setting.
I kinda disagree here, the o line did not do well alternating from pass pro to run blocking and Both backs suffered stat wise.
So if another year of learning Day’s system helps the run game go from 3.9 to 6.2ypc, then I think both backs could Way better next year. Agree?
I don't think staying another year would improve Haskins's first contract by much, but it might improve his second contract by quite a lot. If it were my team drafting him, I'd want to feel more confident in his performance against a consistently fierce pass rush. But if I were the player of course, I'd probably bet on my own development rather than on my health.
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In what bizzaro world is getting a job contrary to having a good head? Seems to me having a good head would tell you to get paid.
Agreed. Every year at this time I feel compelled to say it again... College exists for people to learn skills and prepare themselves for a career. So why is staying in school smart or a good decision for someone ready to be paid tens of millions of dollars for their career choice??
No, the smart decision is too look at your likely draft spot and comparing that to what players drafted were paid at said spot. If Haskins returns and has anywhere near close to the year he had this year then he is a LOCK for the #1 player taken. The difference between #1 and #7 was 10 million dollars If he falls in this draft to the average projection he gets take around 12/13 and now that difference is close to 20 million difference so there is a TON of money at stake here. Just saying "Oh he getting paid million" is a SHORT sighted perspective.
The NFL rookie contacts in terms of your PAY is LOCKED doesn't matter if you are the #1 or the last guy in round 2 your PAY is locked in on that first contract which I believe is 4/5 year deal with the team having the option for that extra year at the NFL rookie contract scale. So its ALL about your signing bonus so giving that up so you can get a 12 million dollar deal vs getting a 32 million dollar deal is VERY important. You're guaranteed you're signing bonus so that the money you get if you have a career ending injury.
I know you'll say what if he has a career ending injury next year in college? OSU can take out an insurance policy that if that DOES happen he is financially set for life...
He will likely go but it certainly isn't cut and dry by any means. I know his dream was to play at OSU and I also know he can make significant improvement and move to the top of the draft board and that is a substantial financial $ improvement so in essence, he is only giving up ~500,000 (year 1 rookie contract salary) by coming back
Or he could come back and have a shitty year and fall further. It’s unlikely, but absolutely possible. Anyway, I thought the main justification for leaving this year was the fact that this year’s QB class is weak and next year’s class isn’t. There’s no guarantee he goes higher even if he does have similar success. Lastly, I’m pretty sure the insurance money in case of injury doesn’t indemnify for the likely total amount lost. Sure it’s in the millions, but if that amount will set someone up for life, so will the #15 pick’s signing bonus.
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I really think Sheffield will be gone. His athleticism and raw speed are enticing enough that he'll be a mid-round draft pick even despite his inconsistency and still-developing skills in coverage. Especially since his game relies heavily on being so crazy fast to overcome technical mistakes in coverage, even a very minor injury could hurt his draft stock dramatically.
I don't really disagree with you, but I just don't see him really making it in the NFL. He hasn't seemed to get any better. Arnette and Sheffield had time under Coombs, and yet I don't think they look much better than when they got here. That tells me they aren't ever going to get it.
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Sehffield could get better, maybe even much better he just needs some polish ..... Arnette does not have a future in the NFL IMO...he may hang around for a few years on practice squads...
LOL EVERYONE in the NFL has speed. Sheffield is no better than a 5/6 round pick right now. He is technique was below average. To me were I his advisor if you have eligibility and you are bolting for a 325,000 (TOP of the 5th round) signing bonus AND you can improve perhaps DRAMATICALLY then you are dumber than a fence post to even think about leaving.
All rookie contracts in terms of SALARY are FIXED Rookie contracts are ALL about how much you get in a signing bonus. Top of the 3rd round gets you OVER a 1 million dollar bonus or 3 times the money and since your odds of playing to a second contract are not that great it makes it all that more important to return IF you are sure or reasonably sure you can significantly improve your stock
Sheffield supposedly is a fast guy but dudes are always behind him and the NW back pulled away from him the B1G championship game- and he was clearly trying to run the guy down. If he’s that fast he should be a better corner because of makeup speed- Idk - I don’t remember seeing his speed in a game.
Completely disagree. The back was already at full speed and out of reach by the time Sheffield started trying to reach full speed. If it was a one on one race, Sheffield would have smoked that guy.
LMAO.... Haskins with another year could be/ Would be the #1 overall pick. So, there is that. BTW Ive not seen Haskins slotted any higher than #7 The difference between #1 and #7 is $10,000,000 Oh and before you tell me the league pays up for Top 10 QB's #1 was a QB and #7 was a QB and the difference is as I stated.
Sheffield has a BEST a mediocre year. He leaves now and he is a mid/late round pick
Haskins could be a sure first #1 overall pick if he has a great fourth season at Ohio State. QB’s that only started one year in college don’t do anything in the NFL. That’s why HOF coaches like Bill Parcells said they’d only draft a 3 year starter at QB.
This. So much this. Data is out there. Won’t blame the kid if he goes cuz first contract is still more than most would make in 20+ years. But long term might not be a great decision if he wants to get to contract 2 and cash in.
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Haskins and Weber should and will. Haskins is a top ten pick so that is a no brainer. Running back don't usually have long careers in the NFL. He should get started before taken on more mileage at this level.
Hill, Mack and Victor could up their stock by coming back I think. Losing the Fab 3 seniors will open up reps for bigger numbers. I think Hill will leave and Mack and Victor will stay. Victor is a lock to stay. One more year of polishing up the rough edges and he can make a lot of money.
Arnette should and will stay. Sheffield should stay but will leave. Jordan should stay but will leave. Fuller should and will go. Harrison upped his stock late in the year. He could benefit from a full year at a higher level of play and should stay and I think he will.
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Next spring should be interesting. A couple questions that I have:
1) Does Martell transfer if he doesn't win the starting job? After all, Baldwin isn't chopped liver, and if he plays well enough, Martell could find himself next year's Joe Burrow.
2) Who steps up in Zone 6? If Hill leaves early, that leaves Mack, Victor, Olave, and... who? McCall, maybe, since the RB room will still be full (assuming Snead gets out of the doghouse)? Harris and Gill have had limited playing time, and I don't think I've seen Babb, Blue Smith, or Gardiner in any games this year.
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2. Gill, McCall, Olave, Victor, Mack (if he recovers from his foot injury), Harris, Saunders (has 1 year left) and young guys like Babb, Blue Smith, and Elijah Gardiner. Plus they're saying Garrett Wilson may play Day 1.
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Why are you putting a premium on Baldwin who hasn't played a snap and discounting all the receivers who played sparingly or not at all?
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Please please please, no more zone 6. It was a completely manufactured nickname created by a guy who never had the coaching chops or results from his unit to earn such a cool monicker. Plus, said coach is an asshole. Let’s come up with a new name. How about Hart’s Line? Not quite as catchy and probably better suited if he was coaching one of the lines instead, but let’s just use that until someone comes up with something better. Deal?
If Martell doesn't win the starting job next year he's gone (and I honestly wouldn't blame him, he deserves better than to be a career backup). It's a situation I also don't want to see play out because Martell leaving is a blow to our QB depth and we only have Dwan Mathis enrolling next season.
As I posted previously the WR corp are solid and I actually like the combinations along with Hartline's efforts of development.
I am extremely excited to see Olave next year, with a bowl practice schedule and game under his belt - he will have played in the three most important games of the year and likely contributed in each significantly. I am very comfortable with Saunders, as stated many times on this site he is always a favorite of the older receivers as well as the QB's (I cannot think of higher praise) He also has Urban out of his way, who always seemed to find a reason why he could not play. McCall is a very good HB and that seems to be the way that Day has used him, Mack and Victor are solid and at times exciting players (please let the amazing therapists of tOSU, the good lord, and luck along with Mack himself) let Mack recover fully!
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He could be next years Paris Campbell. Imagine an H back around sweep ending in a 40 yard pass. Wow that would be exciting and unexpected.
Absolutely. He may not have Campbell’s straight line speed but I believe McCall is shiftier than Campbell with plenty of speed to spare. Really hoping McCall gets some good playing time this year.
I get it Baldwin is good but I've been waiting for Martell to start ever since he got here. Ryan Day if you are reading this: Please let him be the starter ;)
Let the best man win! Wouldn’t it be awesome if Martell was our Kyler Murray next year?
ROLF are you kidding me? Baldwin is even REMOTELY close to Martell as a passer or a runner. Perhaps you forget the 10/10 outing Martell had in a live game. Baldwin is riding the pine until Martell either gets injured or moves on to the NFL
Didn't realize Hill was even a potential to leave. Definitely think he benefits from staying and being the main guy. If he were to leave, we'll have a ton of unknowns with the consistency of the receiving crew.
If Tate wins the job it’s possible the WR numbers aren’t as good if we move back towards a more QB-run option offense (even if that’s not what Day would prefer, he’s not an idiot and would use Tate’s skillset). That probably factors into Hills decision.
Haskins will leave, meaning we might not throw as much as we did this year. Mack and Victor will be back, and then Olave is breaking out. That doesn't scream he'll be the sole #1. He's more of a slot receiver anyway and I don't see how coming back another year will really improve his draft stock. He'll go pro.
We have plenty of other receivers than KJ Hill. We will be fine.
I dont want any of them to leave because if they all stay, next year could be an extremely fun year. But Haskins has to go, top 10 talk and breaking every single passing record, what more can he do? With Weber he has the talent and wants to go so good choice for him. With KJ Hill, I am not sure if he should because he gets the chance to be the pure #1 and show he can run the whole route tree. But these guys have an opportunity to go and if they want to get that money, go get it.
One reason for Dwayne to stay would be to get more reps, be team captain and be a sure rookie starter rather than being a likely back-up his rookie season.
(And win that Heisman. And maybe get a natty. And beat m*chAgain.)
I too would love to see them all stay. But getting paid and repping a pro team is one of the sells for why they should come to OSU.
Stay or go... God Bless them all. Go Bucks.
This is exactly what I wrote about below. There are numbers on QB's who have so few reps at the college level and they generally don't fare well in the NFL.
It's the SECOND contract that normally gets NFL players the BIG bucks, not the first. Though compared to what most of us make it's hardly chicken feed. Languishing as a backup because you were not physically, mentally or emotionally ready for the big leagues is not a way to make that second contract pay off. The chance of being injured enough to completely derail an NFL career is minimal and needs to be weighed against the second contract OR a lifetime backup QB, which isn't a bad gig, it's also not 15 million a year. Haskins could very well be overwhelmed in the NFL due to his lack of experience, snaps as a college player. I'm sorry but getting 10% of the snaps in practice during the week and none in the games is not a way to improve in the NFL.
Last seasons # 2 QB drafted is making about 7.5 million a year on a four year contract, nice contract but it's the second one that will pay him the real money. Cousins 22 million, even Any Dalton in the 14 million range. Average backup QB salary in the NFL in 2018 was 1.6 million and change.
First round QBs don’t sit for very long anymore. If he does he still get paid.Come back and play another year at OSU policy or not and blows his shoulder up. Well then good luck with that policy. Decent QBs make 15 million a year. No policy can provide that. Even at 15/Yr times 15 years is great money.
I understand the injury risk, no doubt. But you miss my point-playing right of way when you have so few college reps IS the problem. I am NOT saying he shouldn’t go and get that contract, he probably should. But longevity is a serious concern—go to a bad team unprepared, get thrown into the mix, and maybe you never recover. Probably exactly what happened to the older Carr brother for example. I am just saying this is not a no brainer, there is something to be said for staying, even though I think he doesn’t (and probably shouldn’t).
Carr's problem was the worst offensive line in NFL history. Poor dude was punch drunk by the end of his rookie year.
Correct, which is what often happens when you go to a shitty team. I knew someone would nit-pick this comparison and miss the main point altogether.
Going high in the draft especially a top 10 picks a crappy team. So unless he goes in late round, which most top 2 qbs don’t last that long. Then he is going to crappy team. They are picking high because they are crappy.
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If you have the ability to improve and make the first round, stay. I think Fuller is in this camp. Otherwise, go, and eliminate the risk of career-ending injury, even with the insurance. Especially if you already have a degree. For one, I'd like to see Jordan return and move back to guard. Interesting article in today's WSJ about the NFL putting a premium on interior OL.
This is why I would consider coming back if I were Haskins (and I am limiting this to his professional development): Scouts have data on number of reps a QB has had and at what level (college obviously being the highest available level at this point). Haskins has played one year basically. Statistically, that is not a high number of reps at the college level, and QB's who have had that few have statistically not fared well. If he then goes to a bad team that doesn't let him hold a clip board and learn, which often happens, I don't think he will be ready. The upside is his potential which is obvious, but what I played out here could be disastrous for him.
That said, my gut tells me he is gone.
Guy completed 70% of his passes, had a 6:1 TD to Int ratio. About to throw for 5,000 yards and 50 TDs. He may need to develop his body a little more, but I think that work can get done between Jan 1 and late April. Then your full-time job is working out, watching film, learning a playbook, etc.
I get what you're saying about possibly ending up on a bad team is true. But he could come back and still end up on a bad team next year. More reps won't diminish the possibility of injury.
Guy is poised, calm and cool under pressure. I'm convinced he has "it." Showed it in Ann Arbor last year coming for his first meaningful snaps.
It is about number of reps. One season of inflated numbers on a dominate team with offensive weapons galore can be misleading. Think of all the USC QB’s that have flopped next level. The main criticism of Haskins is that he gets rattled under pressure, so your analysis is a bit off them mark. This isn’t me saying it, but scouts.
So why not declare early and actually practice with real NFL talent? Pre-season defense alone is still better than the best College defense Haskins can play. Him sitting allows him to learn from a possible veteran (Eli possibly or maybe even Brady) and get accustomed to the NFL life with a smoother transition. Alot of USC QBs flame out because they are used to being on teams with enormous talent on them and then get get drafted high to teams with minimal talent & are thrown into the fire with no path to suceed (Lienart & Darnold) , the one USC QB who did sit (Carson Palmer) went on to actually have a great career & was just plagued by the devestating knee injury & nerve damage in his arm
Fuller didn't have a great season this year so I definitely think he'd benefit from sticking around for one more year.
We usually have 1 or 2 surprise players return every season. Hubbard and Tyquan Lewis returned for 2017 and Dre'Mont and Weber returned this season. My money is on Jordan returning and maybe Fuller. Hill considers himself a part of the senior class so I could see him leaving early with his friends. Haskins, Weber, and Dre'Mont are no-brainers. Everyone else stays.
I picked Jordan and Fuller because having a 4-year starter on the OL next year and a 3-year starter at Safety will be anchors for the offense and defense next season. Let's hope Day can talk them into staying.
Jones, Haskins, Hill are complete resumes - you can see what they are strong at, while you can also see their short comings. These will not change in a years time.
Weber needs to go, get drafted in the middle rounds and provide for his future with a few years of NFL money then comeback and get his degree. He is just unlucky dealing with injuries yet a strong bowl game along with solid combine efforts are his best bet.
I suspect that Sheffield goes because of his physical attributes and the fact that he is being pushed by players who seem to be better corner backs and he cannot be certain that with Meyer gone along with the high probability of Schiano leaving he will not get passed over which would harm his draft status.
The rest should stay as the media has spent the vast majority of the season focused upon their coach instead of them and good lord willing that will not be the case next year!
With the understanding that this is merely my thoughts and I have no direct knowledge of any of these players!
Webber will be drafted rounds 4-6.
Will be cut in camp and watch the Buckeyes on TV next fall.
Weber will be drafted in rounds 3-6
Will not be cut and will have a successful career provided he holds on to the ball.
^ This. His fumbles are his biggest issue, not ability.
If anyone is going to be able to be a first or second round pick, I would advise them to go, unless they want to enjoy another year of college football. Ultimately, they need to make a decision that benefits their families and their own future. It is a tough call in some cases. Let's remember that Dre'mont is really happy that he returned for another season.
Exactly right. Sometimes the money is just too good to refuse.
There are millions($) of reasons for Haskins to go. and yeah, a high quality draft projection predicates that.
Plus it’s gotta be frustrating how little national acclaim he received from ncaa, Heisman, and even the cfp due to the poor defense of his team he broke so many records and got so little love And his coach and University didn’t promote him as highly until very late in the season. He might miss college, but he won’t miss the frustration
Let’s look at reasons for him to stay, thin as they may be. Hi did just recently become mobile. Pro qbs like Mayfield, Prescott and Mahome are breaking the stereotypes of pro qbs by being a run threat if things break down. So Dwayne could up his stock and maybe seriously improve his productivity with serious improvement as a second year starter. Plus it would be one more year with a true qb guru Ryan Day. Staying could be the difference between being a great qb and being the greatest qb. Could he improve in the pros? Not if he goes to s broken team. I’ll always feel bad for Devin Smith going to the Jets. Just a bad place to develop.
Either way I’m really looking forward to the Rose Bowl. What an historic game that will be. Probably will have better ratings than ok v Bama.
They should all stay to prop up Ryan Day, bag those croots, and secure the successful transition of power.
Why does Kiper rate Herbert over Haskins? Is it the additional year of experience? Dwayne’s passing stats and rating are better than Herbert’s.
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Herbert is 6'6 / 233, while Haskins is 6'3 / 218. Dumb, but I'd bet that's part of it.
There is also the fact that Kiper is an idiot with no more legitimate credentials to rate college football players than anyone posting on these boards.
Herbert is a French last name. Notre Dame Cathedral is in Paris France. Anything Notre Dame is always better in Kipers mind so Herbert over Haskins makes sense to him.
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Kiper was probably too busy planning his trip to see JaMarcus "Lean" Russell's HOF induction (seriously look it up he predicted this dude would be a Hall of Famer)
Everybody is not “elite” (there’s that word again). There’s talented guys who can play, and those hyped as being able to play.
Regardless to your label, if you can play @ the next level, you can play!
And if you’re playing @ the next level, you’re getting paid regardless to if you’re “elite” or not.
You’re worth what someone will pay you. There are guys who didn’t prove what they could do until they got an opportunity, which occurred on the highest stage. It’s about how your game translates.
College ball is about the Coaches and (university making millions), NFL is about the players (making millions) and the owners making billions.
Because one thing for sure, the NFLis a business. As far as the players go, the best play period and point blank !
My only regret is that I have but one up vote to give this post.
I only hope that if Haskins goes (probably) that he looks long and hard at the QB coach of the team who drafts him. So much about success in the NFL is the "right" fit. Offensive scheme, coaches and talent around him. I wish him well and with the right team he could be mentioned with Brady, Brees, Favre etc. as the GOAT.
He wouldnt be able to control that though. Once he's drafted, he's stuck with his QB coach no matter whether he likes him or not. He wont get to pick and choose what QB coaches he likes
Yep you right. I was just thinking maybe he will look at the team drafting him this year and say "Nope, not going there" and come back for one more year! Wishful thinking? :)
A D-Line of Young, Landers, Hamilton, and Cooper sounds pretty good!!
"You win with people" - Woody Hayes
Hopefully, all of these young men will make a decision based on both their NFL evaluation and what's in their heart. Sadly, most of these guys will not have substantial careers in the NFL and would be losing an opportunity of another season in Scarlet and Grey for a short audition with the NFL. Everyone will have to do what feels right for them, but in my opinion, if you are a fringe prospect you should finish your education and build more memories as a Buckeye.
“Should I stay or should I go?”
Still think it's an odd year draft rank wise for QB. If you had 5 teams at the top of the draft who needed QBs Haskins leaving is a slam dunk no brainer. But it's not looking like that's going to happen. Someone could obviously trade up but as it stands right now you have 12 of the top 16 teams who either just selected or don't need a QB.
That leaves 4 teams.. Raiders, Jags, Giants and Bengals who look like they will take a QB...
Most people believe the Raiders are going to trade back because they want to make their QB selection next season when they move to Las Vegas. They also don't want to tie up the money. They want picks and cap space as they head to Vegas..
Jags - most people believe think they are in win now mode. They want to run and play defense and people think they would prefer to go free agent route.. Could be GM/Coaching changes that could change this though...
People seem torn if the Bengals would take Haskins and move on from Dalton. Still a possibility..
The Giants make the most sense... but several NFL people have said they'd like to trade back and take Haskins..
Just about any other year with this thin a draft class and Haskins is top 5....
But there's a scenario where the Giants can take him and move back and he goes top 12- 15 range...
The difference between 15 and top 5 is A LOT of guaranteed money... They had a stat on that if Haskins was selected 15th this season he would make roughly $14M ( a lot of money)... but if he came back every spot he moved closer to being the first pick on average would net him an extra $1M+ in 2020..
Point being leaving early could have him leaving as much as $20M on the table depending on how the draft shakes out...
Wish him the best whatever path he chooses...
This ^^^^ is the most logical scenario right now. A QB as accurate as Haskins is will shoot up the charts and will be a premium pick. New Orleans is the contender with the Giants, Jags, Bucs, Broncos, Steelers, Patriots, Titans, Chargers and Redskins looking to replace now or train an Heir apparent. I really don't see how the Pats and Saints wouldn't take him as of this year based on age of their QB's.
Yeah, that's why I said it's such an odd year. all those QBs went last year and those teams are picking top 12 again and the bulk of the logical candidates pick in the 20s. Just hard to imagine any of them wanting to trade that far up for a backup.
Haskins slides into the 14-20 range then yea you'll see some dealing.... but right now it's just odd.. Haskins will probably end up on most peoples top 5 lists but may be picked outside the top 10 based on team needs..
I am not sure what the Jags are thinking honestly. The QB issue is bad, but their defense went from being top notch to a tire fire. The injuries they have had in particular have been rough in spots.
Bucc's will need a QB they will not be going into next year with Famous, Pats need a QB, Packers need a QB, Steelers need a QB. Those are teams that should seriously consider trading up to get one and what do you know the Pats have the picks to do it this year.
This all speculation. Trying to make a decision about whether to enter the draft or not based on such guessing about which teams may do what when is not a practical exercise. You have to make the decision based on whether you feel ready. If teams value Haskins there is no telling what they might do once they know he is available. There are always teams that need QB upgrades. After what he has done this season if NFL teams don't see value in drafting him high I can't imagine what more he could do to impress them.
it's all speculation but OSU and the NFL have people that will help him speculate to get an idea of where he's going to be picked before he decides when or if to declare.. and some of the speculation is REALLY easy. Browns, Bills, Cardinals etc etc etc are picking in the top 15 and not taking QBs
He's not ready for the NFL. Everyone knows that and everyone in this process has been saying that. Go back to OSU and improve draft position or come out and early and sit... How long he sits just depends on the team..
His decision will be about where he thinks and is told he's going to be picked. If it was just about getting paid he would have already declared.
He'll have some REALLY smart people telling him if he comes back he'll make more money. Potentially a LOT more money..
As I said.. it's just an unusual year because last years class was so QB heavy and a lot of those same teams are picking in the top 10 again..
I just saw a mock draft that had him going third to the Raiders. Hard to improve on that.
Haskins is NFL-ready and primed to be a first-rounder. Weber is better served getting paid even with limited to no playing time rather than returning to split carries with Dobbins, Snead, Teague. I wish KJ Hill would stick around because I love watching him play, but he has great hands and ability and is ready for the next level. The one thing that might hold him back is that Campbell, Dixon, and McLaurin are all leaving as well. Three other good receivers just from OSU alone in this class. If he leaves, I think Victor, Mack, Olave, Saunders, and a couple of the others who haven't seen time yet will represent us well next year. Berry is still an average at best blocker and not good enough an athlete as a playmaker to be worth it for an NFL team. Jordan, as a guard, is probably good enough for the NFL. As a center, well, maybe it's one of those situations where all us guys and gals in the peanut gallery don't really know anything compared to the experts, but it didn't feel like he did that exemplary of a job for us. I mean, we excelled at protecting Haskins, but the line took most of the year to be competent with establishing the run and opening holes. That, and it felt like more than 10% of his snaps to Haskins were misfires.
On defense, Jones is ready. Harrison is an incredible athlete and has the high ceiling that teams love, but I think he's still just scratching the surface of what he can do. Would like to see him give us another year. I think it would help his draft stock, too. Hamilton and Landers get to be the primary anchors of the DL this fall. I think they still have a lot left to show the NFL before going into the draft. What I would say to Arnette and Sheffield is that the early departures of Lattimore, Apple, Conley, Ward, and others from the corner position doesn't make it a birthright. When I think of the others who left early, all of them were playing at a level that was way better than those two. Same thing for Fuller. He's not where Bell and Hooker were when they left the program.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
The Redskins seem to be big on Haskins as well, Regardless now is the time to go. Next year's class is a bit deeper then this years, no need to risk your position.
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I would prefer Haskins stay but it is not in his best interest. Weber is likely gone and so is Hill. I hope Fuller sticks around to help at safety. Either of Sheperd or Arnett would be good to have back another year but it is hard for me to imagine any of those guys except Haskins getting drafted high. Other than Bosa that is.
I love Hill and Jones but they are not first round guys.
Haskins, Hill, Weber, both CBs, Borland should go.
Haskins and Hill will never see their stock higher and Weber won't either. He is what he is as was mentioned before. The CBs could very likely both be replaced by the dudes we have on the roster now. Wade, Okudah, Williamson, Reip and Johnson are ready and will be better than both CBs so no guarantee they start here!
Jordan should come back and become one of the best centers in the country after a full offseason of work. Or slide back to guard with Harry Miller Matthew Jones at center.
Jordan Fuller is a 5-6th rounder IMO after this season. He comes back and could be a 1-3. I think coming back is smart for him. Same with Harrison. If we stop putting the F******* backers at the line of scrimmage and let that dude read plays and attack or blitz off the edge he could be a 2nd round pick too! 75% of a season devoted to walking to the line and standing still really hurt his stock.
Do you honestly think Borland would get drafted or do you just want to see him move on?
I am neither a drug user nor am I crazy. We have Baron Browning and Terajda Mitchell chomping at the bits and we are still playing a slow, undersized dude. He's gotta go!
Can’t argue with that. Watching Tuf try to chase down guys in space can be hard to watch. I’d rather see Hilliard if not Browning. Hilliard isn’t very big either, but at least he’s fast.
I really don't understand why this site constantly downplays Tuf Borland. He's a freaking middle linebacker lol of course he's not that fast. Chris Borland wasn't fast either but he was all pro. James Laurinaitis was slow too and guess what? He was all pro too.. Zach Thomas anyone? Also all pro and not the fastest. I think Tuf is a hell of a football player and his stats would be alot bigger if ohio st didn't take him off the field so much. We play nickel wayyy too much.
The future is bright at Ohio state.
laurinaitis was just a better football player than Tuf. Comparing them is absurd. And Tuf’s stats would be better if he wasn’t a liability in coverage, necessitating his removal from the field on obvious passing downs. I would love to be proved wrong, but I don’t see Tuf picking up three consensus AAs while he’s at OSau.
The game isn't the same. You didn't have tight ends who could run sub 4.5 40s 10 or 20 years ago. Guys like Spielman have said they were born and played at the right time.
Plus look at run vs pass from right now to 10 and 20 years ago. Every level of football is pass happy. You have to have linebackers that are fast enough to cover backs and tight ends.
And Laurinaitis was like 4.80 guy. By todays standards that's not fast enough... But Borland ran some 40s over 4.9 and that was before the injury... He's just really SLOW!!!!!!!!!! He's off the field because he's too slow to cover anyone.. that's not me knocking the kid. All heart. He just doesn't have the speed.
1st of all I can't believe Jordan was 1st team all American (maybe at guard but he was a terrible center)
#2 LB Harrison, K.J. Hill, D.T. Jones,Wr. Campbell can make it in the NFL, the others can forget it.
It's one thing to get drafted it's another to make the roster, several of these (Webber,Fuller) will be out of football next season if they go.
Harrison said he has had discussions about his future with former teammate Jerome Baker – who, like Harrison, clearly needed to improve in several areas of his game when he declared for the draft as a junior last season, yet went on to be selected in the third round of the draft and has been successful as a starting linebacker in his rookie season for the Dolphins.
Baker is an interesting case, because his year being coached by Bill Davis took him out of first round consideration and knocked him down to the third round. Now he's showing that he was a first round talent all along. It's possible that some scouts see Harrison as another one who will flourish with better coaching. Having said that, i selfishly hope he decides to come back.
I pretty much agree with the way they're ranked here: I think all of the players listed as "Seems Likely" will go; those who aren't listed there could possibly help their future draft status by returning (though as always, I would never criticize anyone who gets a degree and gives up his eligibility for that reason).
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Being under Davis didnt cost him anything. Baker said it himself he was half-assing his entire last season with OSU.
Yup, he told teams looking to draft him he got caught looking at his future and wasn't giving 100%. That's on Baker not Davis..
Coach should bench him.
PLEASE all come back and we can run the table!! Tired of leading college football in most guys going pro early! Give us 4 years and win a championship and then go on to the pros. You will still make more $$ than you could eve spend in a lifetime
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I didn't see it anywhere in the main article or the comments, but the NFL early entry draft declaration deadline is Monday, January 14, 2019.
"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes
College recruiting for football is becoming like basketball. Not only is it difficult for the coaches, but also for the fans. One and done on the court made it difficult for teams to remain at the top from year to year. Now there are 2 years and your done for gridiron players. But, somehow teams like Bama remain at the top, or should I say, most of the time beat the teams they are supposed to beat from year to year, though they lose players early.
Coaches must recruit 4 & 5 stars in order to remain competitive in this play-off system era. So, they understand they will only have them a couple of years, before they move on to the NFL. But, as fans, it is tough knowing these great players will move on early. For those players that have their degrees-AWESOME! For them it is time to move on, no matter what their football eligibility is within the program. But, again, as fans, it makes it tough.
Bottom line-root for your favorite college team, or alma mater, no matter who plays from year to year. Be happy that OSU is one of the top teams in the nation, and always in the hunt for glory.
I am thankful for Tress, and Urban who had the Buckeyes in the conversation every year. And, though Coop struggled to beat TTUN, he also brought OSU to the forefront. Ever since Woody began, it has been fun to be a fan of THE. And I would be remiss not to mention Earle. Though he also struggled with the maize and blue--HE WAS A BUCKEYE THROUGH AND THROUGH. Thank you gentlemen! It is great to be a Buckeye fan!
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I think you will see Mr.Day play freshmen in a larger role, UM held people back, (example was D Haskins). Who was yards ahead of JT.
The coaching staff cost Rashod Berry an NFL career when they moved him from DE to TE. I always wonder how many guys that has happened to.
they should all stay and give Day a Natty in his first year of being HC
Obviously they should all come back and ship it
My son and I just had this discussion. He's in his 20's and he still laughs and shakes his head when I tell him that I don't lose any sleep over anyone staying or going. Just like these young men had to make a decision as to which school to attend, they are now men who need to do what they feel is best for them. I do think that there are a few who will make a decision based upon the player/s behind them coming up. If they stay and end up losing their job, that's potential money lost. This year will be especially unique in that Coach Day will want to get more of "his style" players playing. Given the names mentioned earlier, I will say that I do believe that we've seen the last of Weber. I believe KJ makes his decision based upon Haskins decision. I don't see any DB leaving as I don't believe any of those mentioned flashed the promise that NFL teams are looking for. I wish all the players all the best in their decisions. Lets get this Rose Bowl victory and land some recruits to start the Coach Day era off....
Thanks for listening...
Selfishly I would love for Dwayne to stay. It’s not without precedent for a top QB prospect to stay for another season.
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Hope nobody declares on the field after the Rose Bowl--that moment belongs to the departing head coach. Players after two weeks after to declare. Santonio Holmes declared right on the field after an OSU bowl win and took away from the win.
Haskins should go especially if he's rated a top 10 pick 1st QB off the board wow is that hard to turn down. Everybody else except for maybe "MAYBE" the O lineman should return. But the way the Buckeyes rotate players in and out in and out in and out how is anyone expected to have a grip on the flow of the game and be able to "prove" his metal if he can't even stay on the field full time? I'm sure it's a question scouts asks a lot I know the answer is that's just what they do type of blah blah blah. But as a scout and I'm not I can sit down and watch tape of almost every single solitary school and top prospect in the draft entire game tape except for guys at one school I would have to watch 2 plays here 1 play there 3 here etc. Its been successful in the past I get it so as a Player with the OPTION of turning pro do you come back just to Rotate? And on a recruiting note do you want to go to a school where you can't play an entire game regardless of how well you're playing?
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