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Bucks2K18's picture

Fire Delany

That's a Buckeye touchdown!

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

At the very least OSU should threaten to jump ship to another conference like the ACC

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booj's picture

the more plausible threat is threatening either a) independence, or b) rolling up the other conference flagships like Texas, USC, Clemson, FSU, and some Big Ten brands like Michigan and Penn State into a sort of premier league. No one's going to buy Ohio State in the ACC

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Findlay419Buckeye's picture

Why not?  Pittsburgh is only a short 185 mile drive from Columbus and Syracuse is as close to the Atlantic coast as Altoona, Pennsylvania is.  Neither of these teams are anywhere near the Atlantic coast.

Findlay by birth, Buckeye by the grace of God.

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osu78's picture

Never going to happen. Football, and sports in generl, while a very visbile part of the B1G, is not the the main revnue driver, or even a significant portion of it. Research is, which is why the B1G is first and foremst. consortium of major research universities. That is also why Notre Dame is not a good fit.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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SilverHaven's picture

Research? 
The B1G athletic conference is a group of research institutes?
Ohio State will not fit into the ACC because of its major research? 
Is this why Notre Dame football is not a good fit? 

I tho't only Michi Men talked like that.

As recent Heisman winner Tom Harmon rides off into the San Gabriel sunset...

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

Football brings in millions; research brings in billions.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Exactly. Delaney is a business man. His model is more profitable for now. The most interesting question posed is that when his model is no longer optimal, will it be too late?  The obvious answer is yes, but the only answer is time. 

Read my entire screen name....

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SilverHaven's picture

No doubt research brings in big bucks. 
But since when does being in the B1G conference bring in those research dollars??

If so, heaven help Harvard, Princeton, MIT and Chicago.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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osu78's picture

It's the ability to collaborate across all academic areas that makes the B1G a research powerhouse, to the tune of $9.8 billion in funded research. That's not to say other schools don't do well also, but the BTAA gives a lot of advantages to being part of the B1G. Uchicago, btw, was a member of the alliance (then the CIC) for years and still collaborates with it even though it is no longer a member.

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Maxxxx's picture

So you're saying it's NOT parking tickets?

Life is short.  Filled with stuff.

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osu78's picture

Yes, that is the biggest but CampusPARC gets that money. 

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

Becasue the Big 10 institutions work together on the grants - that's the whole point of the Big Ten Academic Alliance (formerly Committee on Institutional Cooperation).

It allows 2-3 schools to jointly bid for grants that acting separately, they may not get.  It's also one of the big reasons for the push for Johns Hopkins in lacrosse; they had Ivy League level grants.

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osu78's picture

Research? 
The B1G athletic conference is a group of research institutes?

Yes. All B1G schools, except UN, are AAU members. Even UChicago retained membership as an affiliate for years after leaving, and still collaborates with the BTAA. Sports are the most visible part of the B1G but sports money is peanuts compared to research dollars. UN was an AAU member but left after Nebraska separated the medical school and it no longer met the requirements for membership.

Ohio State will not fit into the ACC because of its major research? 

Yes. It would be a very stupid idea to risk the benefits of the B1G's research consortiums and billions of dollars for a few million in sports.

Is this why Notre Dame football is not a good fit? 

Yes. While ND is a fine school and its undergraduate academics would be a good fit, with some areas near the top, others mid pack. It is not, however, the type of research university that comprises B1G membership. My ND friends get upset when I point out that is why ND is not a good fit; even though ND is very good at its mission.

While we all focus on sports, it is really a sideshow when it comes to serious money.

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Blackcoffee's picture

Yes yes I get it. Research. Billions. You are still left with the fact that Maryland and Rutgers suck. That we are left out of the playoffs. And I do not follow this site for the latest news on agri research. Delaney can bite me. Go Bucks!

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osu78's picture

And I do not follow this site for the latest news on agri research.

Even if they won the Silver Sow Award?

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BuckeyeBoiler's picture

This whole string and everything below sounds crazy to me. I'd like to see a source that shows that Big Ten schools make 10 - 1000x more (millions vs. billions as suggested in the string) more on research than athletics. Also, researchers can collaborate with whomever they want - and they will if it makes the grant application stronger. Athletics is what drives the conferences - not research...or academics at all for that matter. The AAU thing is about prestige IMO and that's it.

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SilverHaven's picture

^^^ Truth.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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j2gobucks's picture

http://www.btaa.org/docs/default-source/reports/btaa-annual-report-16-17... - the report indicates the BTAA brought in 10B in funded research.  

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/  - the math says the B1G athletic Depts brought in ~1.65B in revenue in 2018.

Both of those numbers are top line.  looks about 10x more from funded research vs athletics. 

Everything that happens-good and bad-should motivate you to be persistent. ~JT

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BuckeyeBoiler's picture

For top line I buy that. The reality is that research doesn't generate much net revenue (profit) for the instituion. It pays salaries, buys supplies, etc. The revenue to the institution is only a fraction of that...the rest is used by the investigator to buy "stuff." In terms of economics, the top line matters because it gives people jobs, helps the region, etc. But I don't think the research helps the university's operating budget as much as the top line would suggest.

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osu78's picture

The research dollars pays a large portion of the school's budget and grants flow to the school. Research is what keeps the lights on, top caliber professors at the school, pays for facilities, etc. Without that, OSU would be a lot different and smaller.

If you look at profit from athletics, it is a drop in the bucket - $5 million last year after the athletic department expenses were paid. That's not even rounding error in OSU's 7.5 billion budget.

Academics and sports can coexist, but in the end you have to follow the money and it isn't in sports.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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Trebor40's picture

It is why so many outdoor sports are free to get into, as stunning as Ohio State's football budget is it is merely a surplus - a very respectable one I might add, yet a surplus none the less. 

The truth is what the SEC is doing is a desperate bid to make money that the B1G simply does not need to make. 

All this being said, I look forward to kicking ANY of those conference's collective ass and enjoy our teams doing well in any sport yet particularly football and men's basketball (with women's soccer also in there thanks to my daughter) 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Jim Delaney is the ultimate double-edged sword. He has given the B1G so much, namely BTN and cutting edge television contracts. Delaney first made the B1G a national brand when he shrewdly negotiated with ABC to back-air all games in the noon and 3:30 time slots on ESPN or ESPN2, if they weren't nationally televised.  In effect, he made all B1G games nationally televised.

But, when the CFP was in the formative stages, Delaney was the most vocal critic of on-campus semifinal games, thereby guaranteeing the B1G would forever remain the only Power 5 conference without a playoff game ever played in their conference footprint (with the exception of every umpteen years when a northern city is gifted the CFP Championship Game).

And, now this?  Slive would roll over in his grave, and Sankey would be placed in his, before the office of the SEC Commissioner ever took a "gee shucks, at least we had a good year" approach to the CFP.  They publicly stump for lesser teams while the B1G sets the cruise control at 55 and eases into the right lane, effectively letting anyone with an accelerator pass them by.

And, Jim Delaney is the guy driving.  But, he bought the car, so who are we to complain?

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CincyBuck's picture

And, now this?  Slive would roll over in his grave, and Sankey would be placed in his, before the office of the SEC Commissioner ever took a "gee shucks, at least we had a good year" approach to the CFP.

Yep.  Wouldn't be surprised if Sankey is currently sending a barrage of letters to the CFP Committee, bitching about how Georgia and/or Florida were left out. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I guarantee you he brings it up next year, stating "you can't rob America for a second year in a row! America deserves the best teams and last year you robbed them and the SEC"!

*cue Kirk Herbstreit smiling and nodding*

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Sunny Buck's picture

Pretty much sums up our commissioner 3M.

BTW, I am a baby boomer and I am not satisfied that a 1 loss B!G champ was kicked to the California curb without any verbal dispute. Yeah, Purdue, I get it. But he didn't even say anything about us ranked 6th in the final poll. TWO loss Georgia, really? He could have at least publicly questioned that decision.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Well, he did say that he was disappointed, and as a grown up he can't just complain because he didn't get what he wanted.

YES YOU CAN, JIM!  

In fact, he should.  In a manner of speaking, it's in his damn job description!

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Sunny Buck's picture

I agree 3M. And to your credit, you did note his positive accomplishments. But... the ultimate goal of our program should be a shot at a title, not a spot in a historic, yet devalued bowl game.

i am old enough to remember the crown jewel of bowl games in Pasadena but it ain't a title game. Times change.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I know the fans raise the issue of, if "SEC team had to come play here in the cold..."  And that might be legit.  But for the fans, please tell me why we would EVER want a playoff game in the rustbelt?  I know many on here live there, but there is no way fans want to travel back tor a bowl game to cold outdoor venues, or frankly Indianapolis when people could go to Florida, California, or other warm weather environments in the winter.  So while I hate neutral site regular season games during the season because it takes games away from the campus environment, I feel exactly the opposite as it pertains to bowl/playoff games, mostly because I have no interest in returning to midwest in Dec-Jan.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Why would I want to see a CFP Playoff game in, say, Indianapolis?

Same reason the Super Bowl they hosted is considered one of the best ever. 

Or, the same reason the Final Four goes back there regularly. Or, the same reason the CFP Championship Game is there in 2020. Or, for the many reason the 3 B1G Championship Games and B1G basketball tournaments I've been to Indy have all been absolutely great. 

But, the bigger picture is because the B1G fans should have a game they can drive to, to allow them to attend without having to factor in the additional costs that price many out of going to see their team play. Plus, yes, have a geographical advantage would be nice for a change. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

The Magic Fanboy goto card (I will call it the Sol Rosenberg), "Fire everybody!" 

It's as if some of you believe that if he just waived his verbal magic wand the Committee would have let OSU in.

Don't lose to Purdue by almost 30.  Problem solved.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

What no one is talking about is the makeup of the committee this year. With the exception of the Oregon AD, the Ohio State AD (Smith had to recuse himself on Ohio State), and an ex directional Michigan coach -- everyone is from the southwest or the south. I wasn't surprised Georgia was ranked higher than Ohio State in the final ranking.

What needs to happen is that the Big Ten needs to perform better (or as good as we did last year) in the bowls. Should we do that and then get left out a third year in a row next year -- I say it's time to shake up college football once again. We could probably enlist the PAC and G5 in a new bowl series.

Of course I don't think Delany has the energy to do that at this stage of his career. He's really starting to show his age.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I disagree. If everyone is from the south, then we either try to re randomize them, or we randomize the system away from people. I’m in favor of no polls, no committees, no subjectivitivity - pure, yet minimal formula. 

Read my entire screen name....

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ibuck's picture

If everyone is from the south,

Astonishing to me that people in this country accept blatant unfairness—even cheating—without even whimpering. In politics too (Shhh).

If ESPN/SEC is going to cheat exert undue influence, then the B1G, Pac12, Big 12 (who've been excluded too much), and ACC could withdraw from the heavily influenced politics of the Committee, and start their own playoffs, whereby the 4 conference championship game winners advance automatically—no selection needed: win and advance. Let the SEC and unaffiliated schools like ND pound sand.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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NC_Buckeye's picture

My point is that it appears that reps from the SEC, ACC, and Big XII are colluding on the committee to make sure schools from their leagues are getting bids to the CFP. The B1G proved we were the best football conference last bowl season. I think there's a good chance we'll do it again. Should that happen this bowl season and then next year the B1G champ is again excluded from the CFP. Then I say we tell the SEC, ACC, and Big XII to fuck off and we create new bowl alliances with the PAC and G5 conferences and withdraw from the CFP.

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Blackcoffee's picture

I am a fanboy! Yey! Fanboy fanboy fanboy. Delaney sucks! I do not want anyone to get fired. I want to see Haskins Tua Kyler in the playoffs. No reason this should not happen. Lose by 1, lose by 30. A loss is a loss. Gonna fuck up, fuck up good and move on. Stomp #4 TTUN, beat a NU team solid, have the most prolific passer in BIG history, wtf? are you thinking. Ohh, yes shame on you Buckeyes for losing a game on the heels of the best defensive player in college football grabbing his toothbrush to go sit on the beach in San Diego. The word we use here is "bassa" which in this case translates to take the purdue loss narrative and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Signed...fanboy in the hinterlands.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

If you watched the games carefully and have a discernible football eye, you know this OSU teams is not a playoff team.  Nebraska had them on the ropes.  The 2 point conversion against Maryland was open.  Oregano State who was woeful, dropped 31 on them.  Yes wins matter, but when you pick only 4 from 132, it isn’t all that matters.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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blackmagick20's picture

Except...the two point conversion was open because of offensive holding in the end zone

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fear_the_nut70's picture

that may be true.  But you have to admit, being up 52-21 against Maryland isn't a good look.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Yoda888's picture

great article and hit the point on the bulleyes. advocacy for one's cause is the main job of a leader. to this, Delaney has failed miserably. it was disappointing to see Delaney squandered it during the B1G championship. eSECPN does it for the SEC all year long, all the other ADs and commissioners do it for their respective conferences. why not the commissioner of the B1G?!

Yoda888

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

The Big Ten needs a younger commish who actually realizes that the Rose Bowl ::genuflects:: is not the primary year-in-year-out goal of the highest caliber Big Ten and Pac 12 teams anymore. It's the playoffs. Just like it was the BCS National Title game before that or the Fiesta Bowl in 2002.

In the world of consolation games, yeah, it's the best one. But I don't think I've ever heard Urban or anyone say, "Our top goal is to play for a conference title...and a trip to the Rose Bowl".

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FalcotoyourMartel's picture

*glances at his paycheck*

I'll submit my resume. My qualifications include being a buckeye fan. Any others needed?

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever. -Falco

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Byaaaahhh's picture

I don't know, but you've got my vote.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

No, this isn't correct.  No one believes the Rose Bowl is the ultimate prize in a year when it isn't one of the play in games.  But maybe, just maybe, Commish knows he doesn't have a lot of ammo in a year where there are 3 undefeated conference champs (yes I know, ND isn't in a conference) and the other 1 loss conference champ lost a close game to higher ranked team than your conference champ.  In other words, the committee got it right, so might as well accept the reality and play up the invite, cuz well, that's the girl you are going to the dance with, not the prettier one in the corner you wish you were going with.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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cronimi's picture

the committee got it right, so might as well accept the reality and play up the invite, cuz well, that's the girl you are going to the dance with, not the prettier one in the corner you wish you were going with.  

Well, that's just your opinion (and mine too TBH). But I think your comment fails to take into account what the Commish's job is, and that is (at least in part) to stump for its members. As Ramzy pointed out, he's supposed to be politicking and getting OSU the best chance of getting into the CFP. Instead, he sat on his hands so that he could join the Buckeyes in Pasadena. Maybe any politicking would have been unsuccessful, but that doesn't mean you don't try. Sankey or Slive would have raised holy hell if it were even hinted at that a 1-loss SEC champ would be left out of the CFP. If you hire a lawyer to represent you in a murder trial, you don't expect him to just say "well, their evidence is pretty good, so I guess you might be convicted" -- you expect him to strenuously defend you. At the end of the day, Delany put himself and his desires above those of the conference. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

And this is where we disagree, I don't think that is part of his job.  Now, I don't want to be naive, plenty of people are out their politicking, and maybe since that has become the norm, maybe he should do it.  But that is NOT part of any of his job descriptions in print anywhere, I guarantee it. I am so sick of anyone politicking at all, I think it has no place in this equation.  The Committee is supposed to pick the 4 best teams from objective data and subjective analysis of game film (from trained eyes), and it it shouldn't matter who has the prettiest campaign.  I wouldn't mind if any of the so called leaders were fined for making any public statements in this regard at all.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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BlockO's picture

Alex haley???

"faith seeking understanding” (fides quaerens intellectum)

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Michael needs to chew with his mouth closed......

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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Darksungm's picture

As exactly right as this article is it still breaks my heart a little when I'm disappointed in a big ten championship and rose bowl appearance.

God bless and go Bucks.

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OSUandUofMGrad's picture

Agree so much with this post.  I clicked it expecting to roll my eyes at some Ramzy conspiracy theory nonsense, but actually was persuaded to agree with his point.  Delany campaigned after the thumping of Wisconsin, and again last year, so why not this year?  

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Still, even if he had stumped for us it wouldn't have happened.  Pasadena isn't a bad consolation prize.

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osusteveb5875's picture

It may have still happened, but you at least want him to TRY.  No different than when a team throws a Hail Mary at the end of a game.  Likely won’t end in our benefit, but it’s at least an attempt.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Exactly right. The SEC Commissioner no doubt knew it was hopeless to make a pitch to get Georgia in the playoff, but he knows his job: promote the conference as much as possible, even to the point of looking ridiculous.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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booj's picture

and hey, what did he get? he got a 2-loss non-champion over a 1-loss champion, setting all sorts of precedents for the next time he has to stump for his overhyped conference. "it's not unprecedented!" he'll be able to say with a straight face.

delaney just grabbed his ankles. aren't you sick of the SEC beating the shit out of us everywhere but on the field?

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Darksungm's picture

Your point about setting a precedent is amazing

God bless and go Bucks.

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WC Buckeye's picture

That is exacty right. We need to stop whining about it and enjoy the Rose Bowl. That said, the position taken here is also correct - the commissioner's job is to at least put up a fight; Delany rolled over. 

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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BucksLover0214's picture

In the Skull Session the day after the decision I said that Delaney should have feigned more outrage, but I think he got what he wanted.  Look at the B1G's bowl record last year when its best team was left out of the CFP.  He's the commissioner of the whole conference, and with certain bowl tie-ins, each B1G team got a more favorable matchup by not having a representative in the CFP.  If we walk away with wins in 2 NY6 bowl games and the Citrus Bowl it allows us to puff out our chests and claim dominance next year when we might have a better team. I would have liked a chance to compete for the title, but I don't think this Buckeye team would have won it.  Next best option then was winning the Rose Bowl. 

They hate us cuz they aint us!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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3cent's picture

If we walk away with wins in 2 NY6 bowl games and the Citrus Bowl it allows us to puff out our chests and claim dominance next year

yeah, because that sure helped us thus year

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BucksLover0214's picture

We had some really high ranked teams coming into the season actually.  Then Wisconsin lost to BYU, Michigan lost to Notre Dame, Nebraska lost to Troy, Northwestern lost to Akron, Michigan State lost to Arizona State, Illinois lost to USF, Penn State went to OT to beat App State, OSU gave up 31 points to Oregon State in a win....

Fact is, we came in riding high and quickly learned it was a down year for the conference.  You could make an argument OSU should be in the playoff, but nothing excuses our crushing loss to Purdue.  Oklahoma avenged their only loss of the year.  If Purdue had a better overall record, we might have gotten in.

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

^This is my take, too.  This isn't the year (and neither was last year, for that matter) to charge into the breech waving the OSU to the playoffs flag, not with the bad loss to Purdue (and Iowa last year).

And until the playoff committee decides to penalize (or at least not reward) teams with 8 game schedules and FCS games, The Big 10 champ is more likely to be facing the PAC-12 champ in Pasedena (or Dallas, or Miami, or wherever they shift the Rose matchup due to the CFP) than playing in the CFP.

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Dstacify's picture

Move all the teams on the B1G West side of the division to the AAC or Mountain West conference until they get their shit together and start pulling their weight. A big reason why the B1G gets so little respect is because the West is so mediocre year in and year out and is often led by 4-loss teams. And a big reason why OSU has been snubbed from the last two CFP's is because they've gotten lobotomized each of the last two years by mediocre teams from the B1G West.

11 Strong.

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holby's picture

I think that they should pluck a powerful East team, and put them in the West. My vote would be Penn State. When Penn State is good, it seems that the national media actually respects their name. Even when Wisconsin is really good (or undefeated), the national media doesn't put them on the pedestal like they might with an undefeated SEC, BIG12 or even ACC school. 

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Dstacify's picture

Tbf Wisky often dominates because they play in the West and don't face that much stiff competition. Whereas once they get into the B1G Championship Game against a team like OSU they usually get completely exposed. The fact that the B1G West has yet to have a B1G champion in now going on 5 years that the current format exists is extremely telling. Not only do their representatives always lose when they get to Indy they tend to lose in lopsided manners.

11 Strong.

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Nutinpa's picture

True.  But before UGA’s recent ascendancy, we could say the same about the SEC east.  Since Tebow left, FL has been a joke and Mizzou’s SEC championship appearance was a sham too 

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Dstacify's picture

Agreed. Georgia's recent ascendance has only made the SEC arrogance go up tenfold. Not to mention the fact that they are coached by a Saban disciple just makes it that much worse lol.

11 Strong.

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BuckNutzGasMan's picture

Except when they kick LSU in the dick

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LMS1971's picture

The B1G West champs in 2015 and 2017 were both undefeated in the regular season. That's 40% of the time during the existence of the B1G West Division.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Hate to rain on this take a little but the 'often led by a 4-loss team' is a little off. This is the first year a 4 loss team has led the west division (or whatever the name of our divisional opposite was prior to 2014). Over the last four years the west was won by a team with 0, 2, 1, and 2 losses heading into the championship game. Those teams also went 3-1 in their bowl games. Prior to that our opposite division champ had 1, 2 and 2 losses (2-1 in their bowl games). Until this year there had never been a 4 loss team in a B1G championship game other than the year both Ohio State and Penn State were on probation and Wisconsin, a team from our division got the nod to play for the title. As you point out we got our ass handed to us two years in a row by a team from the west. Makes it tough to argue the problem is the weak west when it is actually our inexplicably brutal losses to inferior opponents in each of the last two years. 

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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Dstacify's picture

The West is a bad division. That's been the case since the B1G was stacked that way. Just because OSU sleepwalked to two meltdown performances against teams from the West the last two years doesn't make that division good. Look at how much Purdue went down the shitter after they beat OSU this year? Good teams build on big wins like that going forward. Even Iowa last year after they beat us went out and got their asses handed to them by Wisconsin the following week (which made that loss look even worse). The conference is badly imbalanced right now in terms of where all the elite programs are stacked and that's why the West simply isn't pulling their weight enough. This year was especially bad for the West because Wisconsin decided to take a complete nosedive as well. It was almost like no one WANTED to win that division this year. It was bad and it's a big reason why the B1G Championship has been kind of devalued in recent years. Beating up on the weaker teams from the other half of the conference isn't viewed as much of an accomplishment.

11 Strong.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Sure, just not as bad as you were describing. Wisconsin needs to return to form and Nebraska could be a force again sooner than later. Not much worse than the SEC East top to bottom. 

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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Dstacify's picture

If Frost returns Nebraska to national power status and Wisconsin returns to the top once the Graham Mertz era begins (it almost seemed like Chryst was tanking this season to preserve redshirts for future years cause there is no way Hornibrook should've kept his job the whole year the way he was playing) there may be hope for the West yet. With teams like NW and Iowa you're going to get surges on occasion but for every good year those teams have they tend be far and few between. Minnesota and Purdue are both trending the right direction but Brohm didn't a great job with his team after the OSU win. If the record they achieved this year is truly his peak at Purdue (which very well might be the case) he might've been better off taking the Louisville job. The point is there is not a single team in the West right now that is anywhere close to elite. Not by a long shot.

11 Strong.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

I'm guessing we need to rest that 'west is a bad division' take for at least the next several months after this bowl season. The east (other than our beloved Buckeyes) laid a big hot steaming turd the past week. 

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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SilverHaven's picture

Or Delaney and the B1G can realign the conference divisions southeasterly and northwesterly-- with Michi and Michi State in the NW separate from Ohio State and Penn State in the SE.  Fixed.  Now there is not a mediocre NW division.

And Ohio State will still get to play Michi in the final game of the season-- in Indy.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Crumb's picture

Sure, the Purdue game was a catastrophe. Yes, the Buckeyes defense was not good this year either. We know. Everyone knows.

But Oklahoma's is and was objectively worse.

Delaney is a hack, but I'm afraid we're stuck with him until he says otherwise. He has that tight a grip on his power. 

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Too bad that job doesn't have term limits.

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jedkat's picture

Yeah, it's time for Sam Eagle to fly away.

"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone

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John-A-Tron's picture

Sure, the Rose Bowl is nice and all, but how does this guy not defend his own conference. Too complacent.

"Ice! It's in my veins!" - D'Angelo Russell

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

This guy would have fit in well at Michigan.  They like to live in the past, too.

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Dethsyth47's picture

Well Herbie is a fake Buckeye so that first part's not surprising. I'm convinced Delany didn't want Urban in the CFP, if *ichigan won a few weeks ago and then won the B1G Title, he would've lobbied harder for the B1G to get in. 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Herbie is a fake Buckeye

Can we please stop this ridiculousness? The dude genuinely roots for the Buckeyes with as much vigor as the impartiality he’s supposed to exhibit in his current position will allow.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Dillon G's picture

He is paid by ESPN to say 2 loss Georgia is better than Ohio State. And he did. Sometimes I wonder about people that post here. I have no idea who you even are, yet wonder how in the hell you come to such a bad conclusion.

ESPN has a 2 BILLION dollar deal with the SEC to air games and promote the conference. Because Jim Delany rightly said go pound sand to their bullshit offer.

#walkaway

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CincyOSU's picture

ESPN has a 2 BILLION dollar deal with the SEC to air games and promote the conference. Because Jim Delany rightly said go pound sand to their bullshit offer.

That is NOT what the deal is for. ESPN owns the SEC Network, just like FOX owns the B1G. Both deals are INVESTMENTS into brands that have rabid fanbases, with content that is marketed solely to that segment. Just like FOX doesn't need the B1G to be successful for the B1G Network to be successful, ESPN doesn't need to prop up the SEC for the SEC Network to be successful...both sets of fanbases make up the overwhelming majority of viewers and will tune in regardless of record or CFP appearances.

But, if you want to play the TV contract game, why do you COMPLETELY ignore the FACT that ESPN pays the B1G more money than any conferences for it's TV deal, and for only half the rights? If, using your logic, ESPN loves the SEC because of a huge TV contract, why don't you apply that same logic to the B1G's massive TV deal with ESPN? This doesn't even take into account the BILLION dollar deal ESPN had with the B1G before the current contract. Yea yea, ESPN is still mad at the B1G...so mad in fact that since that day they have invested close to 2 BILLION dollars into a league just so they can turn around and shit on them every chance they get. Makes PERFECT sense.

Also, who gives a shit about his opinions on GA? My God, isn't it possible it was just a freaking (bad)opinion? Does everything have to be something to yell at the clouds over?

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KBonay's picture

Not to agree or disagree.  But you can still have money in Apple stocks while you push for Google to become more valuable. 

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CincyOSU's picture

But you can still have money in Apple stocks while you push for Google to become more valuable. 

That's very true. But, that does NOT mean you actively root for your Apple stock to plummet. If ESPN has stock in Apple(B1G) and Google(SEC), they may want Google(SEC) to go higher because of it's position. But, there is no circumstance whatsoever where they would actively root against, or even sabotage, their Apple(B1G) stock.
 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

ESPN owns the SEC Network, just like FOX owns the B1G. 

Well, there is a huge difference.  The Big Ten Network, now BTN, started as an independent network and Fox purchased 51% of the shares to become the majority owner.  BTN owned their own studios and broadcast equipment before Fox got on board.

The SEC Network was started as a partnership between the conference and ESPN.  They do not own their own studios or broadcast equipment, utilizing ESPN's property to host and broadcast their programming.  In fact, the same is true for the ACC Network.

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Horvath22's picture

Thank you, Cincy (Sgt. Friday). Just the facts, Ma'am.

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Dstacify's picture

+1. Herbie's Twitter post congratulating OSU after the domination of our rivals this year is absolute proof of where his loyalties lie. Just because he doesn't always have blind faith in OSU like Desmond Howard does with his alma mater doesn't make him a "fake Buckeye." Herbstreit is paid well by ESPN to think critically and provide a technical analysis team by team on their shows and that doesn't exclude OSU. All these BS OSU fans who are attacking the guy simply for doing his job need to shut the hell up. You are exactly what's wrong with this fanbase and the rest of us don't really care for you taking it upon yourselves to speak for all of Buckeye Nation that way.

11 Strong.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Completely agree

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ChicagoBuckeye10's picture

What fucking evidence do you have that Herbie is a "fake Buckeye" other than his objective calls that he is obligated to make as an employee of ESPN?  Come on man.  Guy gave more to OSU than you ever have or will as a mere fan.

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t-dub's picture

Herbie is NOT a fake Buckeye, but he is wrong from time to time.  That has to be okay.  Desmond Howard never picks against UM, that doesn't make him more real it just makes him stooopid 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

What fucking evidence do you have that Herbie is a "fake Buckeye"

Well there is that picture of him trying to strangle Eddie George on the sideline of the OSU / Miami National Championship game

/S

Shandy is not beer

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Dethsyth47's picture

He must be the only ESPN employee then that's required to be "objective" against his former school/team. Robert Smith on Fox is objective but doesn't only praise OSU when the camera's are off. Herbie almost always picks against them (Second year in a row he picked Penn State to win the B1G, has worn Blue to The Game for the second or third year now. His commentary during the Penn State Game, he was openly rooting for the Nittany Lions (Probably because they were his pick to win the B1G) 
 

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ChicagoBuckeye10's picture

Everything you've described (though ludicrous and unfounded, e.g. "Probably because" bullshit), still doesn't support the idea that he's a "Fake Buckeye."  Unfair assessment, Dethsyth.

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saintstephen11's picture

I was at the game so I didn't not hear the call, but was he openly rooting for PSU or was he describing how badly PSU kicked the shit out of us everywhere but on the scoreboard?  Because the latter was a fact. We were thoroughly dominated in that game so anyone calling that game would have said more favorable things about PSU than OSU.

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CincyOSU's picture

Herbie almost always picks against them

Confirmation bias.

has worn Blue to The Game for the second or third year now.

Who cares?

during the Penn State Game, he was openly rooting for the Nittany Lions (Probably because they were his pick to win the B1G) 

Complete and total BS. Yes, he was rooting against a team, nevermind the fact he played for this team, because it would make his meaningless preseason prediction look good.

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McFate's picture

What fucking evidence do you have that Herbie is a "fake Buckeye" other than his objective calls that he is obligated to make as an employee of ESPN?

One might ask: what evidence do you have that Herbie is "obligated" to make "objective calls" "as an employee of ESPN"?

I'd bet he's "obligated" to take whatever positions are decided upon in production meetings.

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ChicagoBuckeye10's picture

Okay well that's programming. If they decide he has to take a take during production meetings, or if he determines beforehand that's the take he has to make, he's obligated to stick with it.

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3cent's picture

Well Herbie is a fake Buckeye

Upvote from me

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Dethsyth47's picture

You're about the only one. This whole site is all about ESPN has it out for Ohio State...except Herbie....he's just "impartial."

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Harsh as it may seem, the genuine issue is that Delany’s opinion matches that of a majority of the B1G school’s administrations. OSU, UM, PSU, and MSU (and to some degree, Wisconsin) set reaching the CFP and having a shot at winning it as their primary target. I genuinely believe that the rest of the conference is perfectly content with the Rose Bowl being the ceiling for their programs.

I love the Rose Bowl too and have very fond memories of that 1997 trip (I know, technically it was the 1996 season). However, as soon as the BCS, and now the CFP, came into existence, it became my favorite consolation bowl destination for the Buckeyes.

For schools like Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, and the like, there are exactly three bowls that matter. You’re either playing for a national title or not. Outside of about 5 B1G programs, the conference leadership is content with the latter.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

the rest of the conference is perfectly content with the Rose Bowl being the ceiling for their programs

Hell Rutgers would be happy just to go bowling someday

Shandy is not beer

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

Win the league and go to the Rose Bowl is the mentality of yesteryear. It’s what I grew up with in the 70’s and 80’s. There’s  nothing wrong with the Rose Bowl but my 87 year old mother in law still thinks it’s the grand prize. Maybe she and Jim Delany can hook up. 

Winning the B1G now should 9/10 times lead to the CFP as at least a 4 seed. To not promote the team that has saved the league from football oblivion this century is criminal. 

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Keze's picture

Herbie , Herbie , Herbie

I would put Galloway in the same boat. Did he even have 1 good word about the Buckeyes this year?

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GallowayGambleGinnWAR7's picture

Yes, but Galloway had Palmer hyping Ohio State for him, for the most part his top-4 included everyone’s  Buckeyes prior to purdoo. Unless David pollack’s opinion matters, I thought he was too harsh on the bucks all year.

I don’t see it.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Conspiracy theory: Delany did not want the B1G champion to be OSU because of the Urban/ZS thing and did everything in his power to prevent it including ordering officials to throw excessive penalties. Him refusing to stick up for OSU in the CFP discussion is further proof he tried to distance the B1G from OSU. 

Hey Jim, your conference would be fucked if OSU went independent. Go to hell.

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Steelydan54's picture

Came late to this story, but reading thru comments to see who would be first to get the REAL REASON Delaney didn't push hard for the Buckeyes in the CFP. URBAN messed up on B1G press day, blowing the ZS Fiasco across the country. The story was BS and Urban didn't deserve the treatment he got, but he mishandled the mic that day big time. IF we'd been the lucky pick for spot #4 between OK, GA, OSU (it was a crap shoot certainly between us and sooners), the pre game press would have been all about Urban and his retirement and did he/we deserve to be there at all. We Buckeye fans wouldn't have cared, but the rest of the B1G would have seen it as a major black eye. Like it or not, we didn't play well enough to take it out of the committees hands. That's on us and no amount of bitching about the CFP OR DELANEY will change that. I rarely disagree with Ramzy, but I think he missed a major point in this article. We are toxic. For all the wrong reasons, but Delaney keeps his head down for one year, sends the Buckeyes to the Best. Consolation. Game. Ever. And hopes that the Ryan Day era clears the air so he can charge hard for the CFP next year. 

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Davebuck187's picture

Just like they went after Tressel multiple times and Urban Meyer. The media will go after Ryan Day for something. They will dig deep if he becomes too successful. You watch!

"Woody is a God-fearing man. It's good to know that he's afraid of somebody."
-Archie Griffin.

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The Braden's picture

Between Drake and Delany, who needs enemies?

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SilverHaven's picture

What's good for the goose is good for the Drake?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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CardaleFTW's picture

Mr. Delaney; It's 2018, not 1978. The only time we want to go to Pasadena is the years that the Rose Bowl is a playoff game.

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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toad1204's picture

So Big D is getting ready to retire... How stressful is the B1G commissioner job for someone who may have some extra time on their hands come January 2?  Strictly hypothetical.

The offseason is the longest season.

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OhioStGoon's picture

As long as Delany is in charge the Big10 will continue to be looked at as a mediocre conference with little to know vision for the future.

GO BUCKS

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BeatMeechigun's picture

I'll go the opposite route here.  I think Delaney messed up by NOT sticking to the Rose Bowl when the BCS discussions emerged.

At that time the Big Ten and PAC had much more power than today.  The Big Ten was ABC/ESPN's focus, not the SEC and Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State were perennial NC contenders throughout the 90s with the Bucks on the verge in 93, 95, 96, and 98, Penn State knocking on the door in 94 and most of the 99 season, and yes, even those weasels up North getting a half cherry in 97 and fielding some decent teams in the early 90s.  Wisconsin and NW were fielding conference champion contenders and Iowa was not far removed.

The Big Ten and PAC had a stranglehold on the indisputable premier bowl game in college football and the other conferences were not welcome.

So instead of caving to the BCS, Delaney should have held firm and lobbied that the annual winner of the Rose Bowl would play the Bowl Alliance (SEC/ACC/Big XII/ND top-ranked team post New Year's bowls) in a National Championship game.

Had he accomplished that, the Big Ten and PAC would have had a seat at a 4-team playoff EVERY year, while maintaining a stranglehold on the premier bowl game.

Instead, 20 years later, we are outside-looking-in as Big Ten champs for the second year in a row and for the second year in a row, TWO SEC teams entered the final college football playoff rankings ahead of BOTH the Big Ten and PAC 12 champions.

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adrianbuck's picture

he needs to go retire,like yesterday.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

It's not popular to say around these parts, but I find Oklahoma's loss better than OSU's loss, and their Conference Championship win was more impressive than OSU's.

I believe Okie belongs in the Playoffs; however, I believe Delaney should have argued for OSU because that's his job.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

and their Conference Championship win was more impressive than OSU's.

People keep saying this. I don't agree. Our game wasn't tied with a quarter to play.

We beat a lesser team more impressively. I call that a draw.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

Wasn't the BTCG 24-21 well into the 3rd quarter?  I'll grant you that's not a tie, but it's also not the best look when you're trying to distinguish yourself from another 1 loss that is team playing a superior opponent.

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IHadToGoogleArchiesMiddleName's picture

BuckeyeChuck - Late to the party, but I think the difference is that OU avenged their only loss of the year in their CCG. Had we played Purdue and beaten them by a touchdown or two, I think the committee puts OSU into the playoff instead of OU. I believe the difference wasn't necessarily in the quality of opponent, but in the fact that OU got a second chance at the same opponent that gave them their loss. 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Yeah, Oklahoma split with a team that lost 4 games, one of those a five point loss to Maryland. First we were told that our poor defense was the reason that we wouldn't make the CFP. Then, after the CFP committee realized that our defense was ranked 44 spots (41 now) ahead of the Sooner defense the narrative turned to our bad loss to Purdue.

One thing you need to know, the CFP committee doesn't gather the information, sift through it according to its criteria, and then pick the four best teams...it picks its four favorite teams and then shapes its findings to fit that narrative.

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buckeyepastor's picture

I agree that Delany’s reverence for the Rose Bowl is pathetic and detrimental to the conference.  And I agree that he could have done a helluva lot more to stump for OSU, and should have in spite of the circumstances.  

But I think it’s possible that his silence on the CFP rankings had less to do with some nostalgic love for Pasadena, and more to do with 1. OSU’s really bad loss to Purdue  2. That if trouncing TTUN didn’t get us slotted ahead of Oklahoma it was going to take an astronomical “59-0” style beatdown of NW to trump an Oklahoma win over Texas and  3. The suspension of Smith and Meyer that left the two of them far more docile and less aggressive than usual about their playoff chances also made Delaney a little reticent to open his mouth.  

I think if we lose to Purdue by 10 points or less, Delaney and others are far more vocal in spite of the suspension.  I think if we get blown out by Purdue and Meyer and the administration hadn’t been put through an inquisition in August that is still brought up every week during the game, Delaney and others are more bold in making their case.  I think that if Oklahoma got in by not just holding serve after beating Texas but jumped OSU in the process, there would be more noise made about the injustice.  But the fact that all three of these things conspired against our resume influenced things a lot.  

Given the economics of making a semifinal vs. making a Rose Bowl (which Xichigan possibly gets if we are in the playoff), I find it hard to believe that Delany’s weak and pathetic advocacy for Ohio State was really that much about getting to go to Pasadena.   Especially since, again, the skunkbears with what would have been two losses to two playoff teams would have been solid prospects for Pasadena if we had gotten the 4 spot. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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andretolstoy's picture

I agree Preacher-man. The caveat to this that as long as the BIG teams continue to schedule like they do and not invite cupcakes mid season, a blow out like Purdue will always be a possibility. 

Personally, I like the match-ups early in the season with elite competition because screw Roll Tide and the SEC. They're weak and they know it. Let them play a game in Wisconsin in November.

But if we're going to change, then we change here and start scheduling Austin Peay the second week of November. Next year we get FAU the first game, and then Cinicinnati, which I don't think is a cupcake. But then some genius decided to put Penn State before The Game. 

Scheduling is our issue. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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andretolstoy's picture

Didn't we all agree that Ohio State didn't earn a playoff spot this year, but should have been ranked ahead of Georgia? 

I'm all about lobbying for the Big Ten teams, however I'm not sure Delany's supposed love affair with the Grand Daddy of em' all is the reason for it. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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1928Buckeye's picture

Exactly right, it’s easy, and lazy, to go after Delany.  Don’t get destroyed by Purdue and if you’re trying to make a statement, leading NW by a touchdown with 10 minutes left in the game isn’t the way to do it.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Actually, we should join the SEC and we will be in the playoff conversation every year with Alabama and Georgia. Say what you will, but one thing in all of this rings true...the Big Ten Commissioner should stump for his teams no matter what.

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VanillaStache's picture

True and I would have loved to play Georgia rather than Wash. 

"Let me quote the late great Cornel Sanders, I'm to drunk to taste this chicken"

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bucknutz18's picture

Since I have been old enough to watch and understand Ohio State football (circa 2000) I have seen Ohio State play in exactly one Rose Bowl.  I have witnessed two national championships and arguably the most successful stretch over 15 years in program history.  The Rose Bowl means nothing to me outside of a fun bowl game to watch in a beautiful setting.  Hell I remember more about the USC Texas Rose Bowl than any game involving a Big Ten team.  

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andretolstoy's picture

If you love the game; then it should mean something to you. It doesn't matter that it was before your time

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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saintstephen11's picture

Agreed. The Rose Bowl is meaningless to me as well and I am older than 90% of the people on this site.  Just an exhibition game that no one but a few over the hill traditionalists gives a shit about.  CFP or bust. 

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andretolstoy's picture

Well. It seems there is an entire commission of so-called college football pundits, media, and bags of money who find TheOhioState's football program, traditions, and efforts on the field meaningless. So the knife cuts both ways. 

We need to show a little more respect to traditions and pillars of the past. We have Grid Iron heroes in our past who, literally, gave body and mind to create those. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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tmothy07's picture

I was at the Sugar Bowl vs Alabama, and am over the moon to go to the Rose Bowl this year (to the point that I ordered plane tickets prior to the B1G CCG in anticipation). The Rose Bowl still means something, and y'all are acting spoiled. Appreciate what we have. For the record, I'm 25, so not only "over-the-hill" people are still excited to see the Rose Bowl.

Ohio State Engineering - Class of 2015

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brothadudeguy's picture

I just don't understand this thinking. It literally means nothing. The Rose Bowl is not different than any other NY6 Bowl. Hell, even the NY6 Bowls don't mean anything. It's the same as going to the NIT in basketball. For some schools thats a big deal but not at The Ohio State University. The standard is higher. 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

And there it is... a poster says they are excited about the Rose Bowl game and somebody else comes along and posts how that person is wrong.  You know - not every statement is an invitation to try and prove how big your dick is by telling somebody their opinion is wrong!

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brothadudeguy's picture

Not saying his opinion is wrong. He has a right to have his own opinion and share it as well. I was just simply saying I disagree with his opinion. Nice try though. This site is for people that can debate in a mature fashion. I hear there is another site you may be interested in. It's called Mgoblog. Enjoy!!

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Ohio Against the World.

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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Jerseyboy7's picture

How you can have a big ten commissioner who is ok with the conference being left out of the cfp 2 years in a row tells me he is two comfortable in his job and is way over paid!
Sec commissioners would declare war on the system if they were left out, let alone they believe they should have 2 teams in!
Jim Delaney, he doesn't even care!
He's gotta go, or nothing will change!

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andretolstoy's picture

So is it that we think we're entitled to be in the Playoffs or do we actually have argumentation that we earned it? 

Because I specifically remember the chatter from our own fans saying that we shouldn't be looked at by the CFP Committee because of our inconsistent play and bad losses? 

Somehow, it all became Jim Delaney's fault. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Sail Buck's picture

...and the bourbon for this situation is: Listerine.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

It does annoy me that Delany punted on clamoring for us in the playoffs, as I watch the SEC's commissioner try to argue for fucking Georgia, losers of 2 games, winners of...not their conference...to be in the top 4 because of how close they lost to Alabama.  That's what it's come down to - "OMG Georgia is the only team that gave Alabama a game, they should be in the playoff!!!" - the fucking self-back patting, stroking off to each other...it's just disgusting.  

Now, obviously, at the end of the day, Delany is probably little to not at all to blame for OSU not getting in the playoff.  The reality is that Delany could have cut a Rock-like promo about how OSU should be in the playoffs, while making fun of Oklahoma and Georgia, and in all likelihood, it wouldn't have mattered.  At the end of the day, OSU's argument can be countered by one word - Purdue.  Can't lose by 29 to Purdue, a team that carried the momentum of that huge upset to...losses in 3 of their next 4 games, needing to beat Indiana in their 12th game to get to 6-6 and bowl eligibility.  On top of the Purdue loss, there were several games where OSU didn't play very well.  It adds up.  62-39 over TTUN was great.  45-24 over Northwestern, while impressive, and more impressive than what it may seem to many, wasn't exactly the huge statement OSU really needed to have a shot.  I'm not sure there would have been a big enough statement possible, but if there was, 45-24 wasn't it.  And there may be an argument that the Zach Smith stuff put a stain on the whole thing before a down of football was even played.

Pasadena is still a good consolation prize.  The Rose Bowl is nothing to sniff at.  The playoffs are what we really want, though.  Oh and btw, if OSU got in as a 4 seed last year...Sugar Bowl.  

Class of 2010.

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buckeye2148's picture

People like yourself puts toooooo much into losses A loss is A loss 12 wins are 12 wins conference championships are conference championship stop playing secpn ,s excuse game on any given day in the bigten anyone could beat you noone can say that about the sec ir acc so stop trying to compare it like we all play the same calaiber of schools and coaches bigten has proven it in the last several years it is clearly tougher conference

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Eph97's picture

All Delaney cares about is earning money for the B1G, not if its teams win championships. He is an ACC guy from North Carolina.

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Trebor40's picture

Much to my wife's amusement I am a very big fan of the Rose Bowl when we play USC, the camera is often wondering in the direction of impressive vista's 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Delany did not pick up the slack for the 12-1 Buckeyes, and for the second year in a row Ohio State gets to pretend it doesn't feel bad about only winning the Big Ten.

It does get to posture about the goals and accomplishments it did achieve, and promise to learn from the very bad, high-profile mistakes it made that prevented the team from having a shot at even more goals and accomplishments. This time it gets to pretend it doesn't feel bad about only playing in the Rose Bowl, to which you might say "well, I don't feel bad; it's the best bowl game."

I think you hit the nail on the head, Ramzy. I'm convinced that ZachGate poisoned the well for the Buckeyes this season, not only for the team's post-season chances in the CFB playoff, but also for Haskins' Heisman hopes.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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SilverHaven's picture

Hear, hear.

Mahalo, GTH.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Back at you, Silver.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Cruiser79's picture

To blame Jim Delaney for the fact that Ohio St. has been left out of the playoffs two yrs. in a row is misplaced in my opinion. It allows the committee off the hook and it allows this sham of determining a National Champion in D1 football to continue. The committee who put Georgia ahead of Ohio St. should move more than Jim Delaney to change this system.

Bourbon of the day - Any brand you choose, Go Bucks!!!

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saintstephen11's picture

no one is blaming him for not getting in ... they are blaming him for not doing any lobbying ... that is all.  It is his job as commissioner to be an advocate.  He wasn't.

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Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

no one is blaming him for not getting in ... they are blaming him for not doing any lobbying ... that is all.  It is his job as commissioner to be an advocate.  He wasn't.

Thank you for your service.

Cruiser79's picture

What type of lobbying do you want? I don't want the Commissioner of the BIG to need to do anything since we have a system already in place that everyone agreed upon. I sure don't need him poor mouthing other conferences in order to make a case for the BIG. I will go back to my original point, this system is flawed in my opinion. Anyway, I respect your writing and opinion Ramzy. Have a nice evening and keep up the great writing you provide this site. Go Bucks!!!

Cruiser79

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andretolstoy's picture

There is something to, perhaps, the Comish needed fodder for his lobbying services. He did openly lobby for us in 2014 after we trounced Wisky. He had reason too.

Maybe we didn't give that to him the last two years and the dude would rather us be outside the playoffs than for him to lobby, get us in, and then get run over by Clemson again? 

To be honest, the last two years I felt that we're better off at the Rose or some place like that, than back into the CFP again and get blown away. I'm not up on listening to Clemson fans . 

I love him. And I'm heartbroken that he's going to retire, but there was some stuff the Meyer was supposed to fix that he didn't. I don't think that makes us CFP caliber. 

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Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

There is something to, perhaps, the Comish needed fodder for his lobbying services. He did openly lobby for us in 2014 after we trounced Wisky. He had reason too.

Because the Rose Bowl was in the CFP rotation in 2014. It took the Pac 12 champ and the ACC champ, to Delany's dismay.

andretolstoy's picture

So, if the Rose wasn't in the rotation he would not have lobbied the Buckeyes in 2014? 

Now I need Bourbon.... 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

What type of lobbying do you want? I don't want the Commissioner of the BIG to need to do anything since we have a system already in place that everyone agreed upon. I sure don't need him poor mouthing other conferences in order to make a case for the BIG. 

He could have been publicly rebuking America's dismissal of his West Division Champions, for one.  He doesn't need to tear down another conference to do that.  He could have easily pointed out the 9 game conference schedule, for one, stating that Northwestern scheduled tougher out of conference AND had a tougher conference schedule.

He could have done a lot of things to prop up his conference, like how Ohio State going to East Lansing and winning in that weather shouldn't have been viewed as a negative.  Or, how Ohio State going on the road to do the exact same thing Oklahoma did at home shouldn't be viewed as a negative (winning on a failed two point conversion attempt against a team hovering at .500).

He could have, and should have done so much more.

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buckme's picture

Akron was a tough OOC opponent! Right

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Akron, at Duke, and Notre Dame is a tough out of conference schedule.

You conveniently omitted a couple of facts.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

When you have other commissioners lobbying for their teams to get in and ours not, it seems like our guy doesn't feel like we deserve to be considered. That has to have an effect on the decision makers. Delany's job is to promote the Big Ten, period. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

What type of lobbying do you want? I don't want the Commissioner of the BIG to need to do anything since we have a system already in place that everyone agreed upon.

So long as there is a degree of subjectivity to the rankings why wouldn't you want an advocate lobbying that your conference deserves to be included?

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shiloh's picture

Delaney notwithstanding and Urban's 3 game suspension aside the Buckeye were never getting into the playoffs regardless.

49 - 20 ~ You may want to watch that game a second time ... or not.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Delany's argument against compensating players is the same as his argument against a playoff. It's an odd two-word defense of tradition, heritage, culture, legacy and other sepia-tinted dime store words Baby Boomers like him throw at the rest of us too young to have grown up with actual dime stores: Rose Bowl.

LOL. Anybody around here besides me remember the old Woolworth stores? Geez, I'm really dating myself.

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Cruiser79's picture

Lol, I do GTH. The one that used to be at Eastland Mall. Always ended up getting popcorn when I left.

Cruiser79

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andretolstoy's picture

Anyone who hasn't eaten in the Kahiki shouldn't be allowed an opinion on this thread. ;o)

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Anybody around here besides me remember the old Woolworth stores? Geez, I'm really dating myself.

Yes, I remember them quite well. They were still easy to find into the early 90s.

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SilverHaven's picture

Five and dime.  And cherry phosphates.

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Smudman's picture

Beat IOWA, Beat Purdue. Tell Delany to go home. That's it.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Delany has done a PISS POOR JOB navigating the waters for the B1G 10. I can point to about a dozen times or more over the last 10-15 years where OSU has gotten screwed in one way or another by the college football universe. And I can't for the life of me understand why he'd expand the B1G to include MD and Rutgers. If you want that media market, go after Boston College. OSU should just break away from the B1G and form a super conference with MSU, TTUN, WIS, PSU, Notre Dame, NE, IA, OU, and TX. You could call it "The Power 10." Screw the B1G 10. The rest of the conference is a drag on OSU along with Delany. 

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BeatMeechigun's picture

Wikipedia: "Delany grew up in South Orange, New Jersey and attended Saint Benedict's Preparatory School in Newark, New Jersey."

I am not sure the Rutgers and MD additions will ever pay off.  (To be worthwhile, the conference needs to generate 14.3% more revenue that can be directly attributed to these two schools - anything short and they are financial drains).

That said, I think the Big Ten could greatly benefit from any addition of OU, Texas, and/or ND.  TVs.  Proven football brands.  Strong athletics overall.  Acceptable (OU and ND) to great (Texas) public research institutions.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Rutgers is a bane on the B1G 10. At least MD has a history of being a decent basketball squad, and is definitely a better football program. Selfishly, I love MD in the B1G because every two years I get to drive 40 minutes and watch the Good Guys play in College Park. That is all. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

The Southeastern Conference, which is an organization geared entirely toward winning national championships, is more likely to place two teams in the CFP than Delany's conference is to get one. That's as much of a function of football quality as it is of commissioner priority.

Boom. Shut it down.

The B1G has been steps behind with their archaic love of the Rose Bowl.  The conference focused exclusively on roses long after the SEC changed their focus to national championships.  This is not a recent phenomenon. 

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Beat Michigan's picture

Compounding the problem is the B1G Ten Network. Instead of hiring unabashed homers (Paul Finebaum-types) to aggressively promote the B1G conference and offset ESPN propaganda, they outsource the “spin” to journalists like Teddy Greenstein (Chicago Tribune), Mike DeCourcy (Sporting News), Pat Forde (Yahoo) and Dave Wannstedt (FOX Sports). These guys view themselves as objective journalists with a national following and never carry the B1G flag because - heaven forbid - they wouldn’t be viewed as objective journalists. Who cares - we need homers! If Delaney won’t carry the torch, then he needs to get rid of these mopes and hire Big Ten homers with B1G Ten pedigrees and then put them out front to pound the B1G message home.

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andretolstoy's picture

It's not Delany. Well, it MAY be Delany in as much as he hasn't built a culture of support among BIG Teams. No BIG Teams show the voting power (support) for fellow players in the league when it comes to national honors. Instead we get butt hurt coaches voting for Big 12 and SEC players. And guys like Chase Winovich who has an All American mouth, but got hammered by Buckeye linemen calling the entire thing a mirage instead of taking ownership and telling the Buckeyes to give 'em hell. I remember Matta's reaction to Turner's mid court three against TTUN because he knew Beilen didn't vote for Turner for Player of the Year. 

The BIG eats its own. The SEC never does this. 

That stuff hurts more than Delany's supposed lack of lobbying. 

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tmothy07's picture

Is it bad that this is something I absolutely LOVE about the Big Ten? Fuck the "SEC SEC SEC" back patting and dick holding. I get that it's "counterproductive" but god help us if we're ever sucking off TTUN after they beat us. Fuck that.

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countrybuckeye's picture

The Game for Buckeyes is Bloodsport and Hatfield-McCoys rolled into one — the SEC folk can’t muster anything close to it

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buckeye2148's picture

The ohio state university should dump the worthless pc of shit bigten let them sink to tge bottom with their shitty refs. Ohio state clearly has a target on our backs not only from the shitty refs but from lay down delany so piss on this shitty conference become independent pick the teams we want to play, so we dont have to go places like shitty iowa and prudue and get 12 or 13 flags thrown against us so shitty 7-5 teams look good. Then use it as an excuse to leave us out of playoff screw the bigten and its hacks

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CincyOSU's picture

I'm hoping this was sarcasm...

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Well, B1G refs are pretty shitty

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LMS1971's picture

Pretty soon OSU will go 13-0 and people on here will be saying "Of course we don't deserve to go to the CFP. We only outscored Michigan by 3 points in the 2nd quarter"

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AZBuck LHC's picture

I guess I'm having trouble understanding people's train of thought on this. Yes, Ohio State is the Big Ten Champions, but should that fact alone guarantee them a spot in the four-team playoff? I realize that many of the Buckeye's supporters honestly feel this team is one of the four best in the country, but their performance in several of the games this season seriously calls that into question. I would have been happy to see them have a shot against Alabama, but this is not remotely like 2014. Anything can happen in games, but the way the team has played most of the year 2016 Clemson is more likely then 2014 Alabama. Just saying! This year's team doesn't have a championship defense and would really struggle against Alabama and/or Clemson to just keep the game close, but that doesn't mean I was hoping they wouldn't get selected......it just takes some of the sting out of it. If the playoff is not a possibility then the Rose Bowl would be my number two choice.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

And Oklahoma's defense is ranked 41 spots lower than Ohio State's defense. 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

And Oklahoma did not get carpet bombed for 60 minutes by an unranked team either!

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

True, but they did let every team that they played run up and down the field like a track meet...and Army took them to overtime. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Yes. Yes it should. Especially coming off a bowl season when only ONE B1G 10 team loses its bowl game (TTUN!!), and the NFL is literally full of Buckeye talent. You could make an All-Madden team out of just Buckeyes currently playing in the NFL at every position, and when you add the likes of OTHER B1G talent whether it be Barkley at the NYG, Drew Brees, or Russell Wilson, the B1G is second to none in talent put in the NFL. SO for the B1G Champs to be frozen out three years in a row, that's a function of a failure at the top. Nobody top to bottom plays a more legit regular season than the B1G. NOBODY. 

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Lighteyes's picture

The part that worries me most about Delany's whole "four teams is good spiel" is that it shows a complete lack of awareness about the benefits of an 8-team playoff to the Big Ten. You know what conference would have benefited most from an 8 team playoff (5-6 conference champs, 2-3 at larges) the past five years? The Big Ten!

In 2014, #8 Michigan State might make it in, depending on the exact parameters of the system.

In 2015, Iowa AND Ohio State both make it in since they were the two highest non-champions.

In 2016, #5 Penn State AND #6 Michigan both make it in.

In 2017, #5 Ohio State AND #6 Wisconsin both make it in.

In 2018, #6 Ohio State makes it in, possibly #7 Michigan as well depending on how the system is set up. 

Out of the 20 'extra' playoff spots, that's at least 7 more, maybe as much as 9 extra. So regardless of whether or not it would have mattered this year, Delany should absolutely be agitating for a bigger system because it would be the best thing for his conference. Not some 'well, the Rose Bowl is good too, let's stick with 4' argument.

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lew-e's picture

Fire his old decrepit ass

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Need to drop the 9th conference game too. The B1G is guaranteed 7 extra losses in conference every year due to the extra game (Pac12 is guaranteed 6 and the Big 12 is guaranteed 5). Think about that next year while the sec is rolling thru chickenshit Saturday

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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countrybuckeye's picture

best comparative math example I have ever seen to make the point about the advantage held by conference “SEC”

+1^ for you

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elitesmithie's picture

I don't care if they lose 100-0. If you go 12-1 in the Big Ten and play no FCS teams you get in the playoffs. Big Ten is a top 3 conference. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

They just weren't 12-1 enough.

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BigDrill's picture

Here’s a thought:

With all the over the top, pro Rose Bowl talk Delaney has done over the years, especially highlighted when the playoffs were created as Ramzy mentioned, could Delaney be on the take? I understand the desire to keep the time honored relationship with the Grandaddy of Them All, but his logic just doesn’t pass the sanity test.

It seems he has placed sending the conference to the Rose Bowl over sending a team to the CFP, but his reasoning is flawed.

There must be a reason beyond loyalty to Pasadena.

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thedewman10's picture

With all due respect.

No

TheDewMan10

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thedewman10's picture

And I would add I would like to see an sec team play in freezing temps, snow and sleet in a conference game. It does make a difference where you play also that can make it more difficult to win. The ball bounces different in those games. 

TheDewMan10

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Eph97's picture

Once a ton of players start skipping the Rose Bowl then Delaney will get cold water thrown on his face and be forced to face reality that only the playoffs matter.

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andretolstoy's picture

There is an underlying theme to this piece and thread.. I HATE the fact that it's become acceptable for these young men to skip games in case of injury or because they don't feel it's worth their time.  

Football used to be a sport of honor and heroism. Players having NFL stock didn't just happen last year. Players have always risked their financial reward because the game with the team meant more. Playing for something bigger than yourself. It's not just the CFP.

That stuff is gone now. The Rose Bowl means less to nothing, our uniforms and traditions are a side note, brotherhood is a gimmicky video to attract recruits, and the game itself has been rendered to an entitlement, a protest, or a payout ... 

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Bigmarty's picture

None of those things are valued anymore.  Just watch the news. I agree with you 100% and Delaney is a part of that movement.  He should have known better on the entertainment pie in the NYC area.  Not gonna get a part of that.  Texas and Okie was the move for football,

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SilverHaven's picture

Honor and heroism and Damsel Ward.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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andretolstoy's picture

I have to correct myself here. Both Dre'Mont and Robert Landers destroyed my narrative. Good for them for showing respect to the Rose Bowl and bustin' my chops. 

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semperfibuck's picture

Much as we may hate Delaney for his uncaring approach. The B1G relies on him for $$$$MMMM and $$$ always will top fan desires.

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Turban Meyer's picture

How hard is it to guide one of the top athletic conferences in the country to $$$$? It's not rocket surgery. 

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osu78's picture

In defense of boomers and the Rose Bowl preoccupation, it's the result of how boomers grew up. We grew up in an era where there was only one bowl, wether it was in your house or football. As a result, it was the preferred location when you got to go; and that was imprinted on boomers at an early age.

Now, with the proliferation of bowls in homes and football, one bowl is not necessarily the only location to go. While you still may have a preferred one, but others will do when the preferred one is unattainable. CF Bowl games are the same, you have many choices, even the football equivalent of a port-a potty.  As a result, later generations, having grown up with the luxury of many bowls to chose from, don't have the same nostalgia for one, whether to is porcelain or Rose.

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Buckeyeman17's picture

Jim Delany does what benefits himself. He added Rutgers and Maryland, two programs that belong in the MAC, to line his pockets. He has a headquarters in NYC and schedules the Big 10 basketball tournament there due to the fact that he likes to be there. This is done despite the fact that NYC does not care about the conference.

He does not care about our Buckeyes, who are the best football program in the conference. He sent a pathetic crew of officials to the Michigan game, hoping that they could help them win the game.

The Buckeyes should tell this stupid conference to go to hell. Go to the SEC, ACC or Big 12. 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

How about not getting bludgeoned and amazingly outplayed, in every single facet of the game, for 60 minutes, by an unranked team!  How about the defense not letting average or previously unknown running backs and quarterbacks put up Heisman qualifying type performances!  How about dominating teams we're supposed to blow out instead of going into overtime to barely eek out a win?  Sorry, but we did not get screwed by the CFP last year or this year!  I absolutely love Ohio State football and was behind this team all year - but seriously, it looked like they worked on playing down to their opponent game after game, except, of course TTUN!  Yes, ESPN and the vast majority of the media heads did not help during the last half of the season, but neither did the players or coaches!  They never put in the dominating performance, for an entire game, to change the narrative!  Hopefully next year, we will come out swinging and set the narrative earlier!

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Sorry but there is no way you actually watched the Purdue game, or managed to glance at the box score, to make a comment like that. OSU had over 500 yds offense and outgained them slightly.  Won third downs, won time of possession.  What they didn't do was convert anything in the red zone while Purdue 100% maximized all scoring opportunities.  Some helped by idiotic OSU penalties (a theme for the season).  Then the 4th quarter and a meaningless pick 6 got the final score out of hand.

It's no excuse, 49-20 against is 49-20 and they are gonna have to wear that the rest of their lives.  But they did not get "bludgeoned and amazingly outplayed, in every single facet of the game, for 60 minutes".  That's way over the top. 

But this is an important lesson in psychology and the average fan or nincompoop on the CFP committee's mind.  They only thing they can really compute about a game that happened 2 months ago is the final score.  And if I am Ryan Day I am beating into to my new team's brain is that every single play matters over the course of the year.  Whether it is to pile on a team and win by 60 instead of 40, or not give up in the 4th quarter of a lost cause and lose by 10 instead of 30, that's what they are being judged on.  It's a beauty pageant, and these coaches who think a win is a win and a loss is a loss aren't in touch with reality.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I watched every single second of that game, twice!  Only a blind person can look at any facet of that game to say Ohio State was not beaten, severely at every single facet.  Big deal, Haskins had to throw the ball 73 times because they were kicking our ass for the entire game!  I am at a loss to see how you can pull anything remotely positive out of a 49-20 ass kicking from the opening kick-off to the end of the game! 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

Is he getting kickbacks to not push the Big Ten?

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Tarponrandy's picture

Sometimes I think we should use our power (big set fan base, highest watched games, most hated...) and start our own final four.   Big ten/ Pac12 tourney at the rose bowl.   Invite a power 6 school and maybe an at large.  

This yesr- osu, Washington, UCF: invite Oklahoma or ND.  If they pass move on to Michigan or Georgia.  

Split title.

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subUrbanBuck22's picture

At this point you wonder if he is slowly slipping into senility? Just give em his Rose Bowl and slowly back away 

Go Bucks!

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andretolstoy's picture

I was talking to a PAC 12 friend about the issues with the BIG Commissioner  He was silent for a minute and then smacked me in the face with this response: 

“Yes,  but at least the B1G regularly gets multiple teams into the New Years six games. The PAC never does. This year, two loss Wash St didnt get a NY six game, while two 3 loss SEC teams got in, and FOUR loss Texas got in. Larry scott wouldnt go to bat for them bc hes mad at Mike Leach, bc Leach exposed the shenanigans that were going on with replay reviews in the PAC 12 office

Combine that with the fact that the PAC 12 commish, is highly overpaid (3 times as much as the SEC commish, more than twice as much as Jim Delaney in the Big 10), arrogant, vindictive,  corrupt, and incompetent.....well thats not helping any of the teams in the PAC 12”

So maybe we have it good in the BIG?

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Turban Meyer's picture

Yeah, but they at least get to win the College World Series every once in a while. 

/s

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Buckinnati's picture

The Big Ten East is the toughest division to win. Alabama has a worse record against its division rival than we do over the past 8 years... 5-3 for Parole Tide vs 7-1 for us. Yet, Alabama has made all 5 CFP's. We can't compete with the SEC hype and propaganda, plain and simple.

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

Will he voluntarily retire or do we have to force him? #pleasegoaway

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OH...IO's picture

Ramzy this time I have to disagree with you in regards to the buckeyes belonging in the CFP this year instead of Ou   I know your point is that Delany should stick up for the buckeyes but do you really think they deserve to be in after their body of work yes we crushed that team up north but even in the third quarter against the wildcats it got a little shaky 

Go Bucks

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Delaney is worried about no one but his own self interest, and that ridiculous a#% salary he commands  !

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CowCat's picture

I'm going to continue to be Old Man Grumpus.

Just get rid of the playoff system. Let 1 loss Ohio State play 2 loss Georgia. I'm tired of all of this.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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BucksHave7's picture

As long as the committee puts in the playoff an undefeated Non Champ and a 2 loss Non Champ, the conference championships arent worth anything.  Need to have an 8 team playoff: 

-5 P5 champs as auto bids

-3 at large selections by the committee and no more than 2 teams from 1 conf.

Although, is going to be fun to watch Clemson hammer ND.  What a sham the rankings are today, do you really the separation between the legit #2 and #3 team is a 12 pt spread?   No way, ND isnt even a top 10 team.  Watch, you will agree after the Clemson game.

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earthpig's picture

Its called fall out folks..  Ohio State could have ran the table and would have been on it's way to the Rose Bowl.  The CFP didn't want all the ZS baggage being a narrative during their premier event.  Take our lumps and move on to next season.. 

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CincyOSU's picture

Ohio State could have ran the table and would have been on it's way to the Rose Bowl.

There is absolutely NO way an undefeated OSU team would have been left out of the CFP.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

If they can keep out an undefeated UCF team that destroyed Auburn on national TV they could have kept OSU out. At the very, very least a 2018 unbeaten OSU would have been ranked No. 4 and the narrative would have been "Does OSU belong in the playoff?" and we would have been waiting nervously for the playoff field announcement. 

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earthpig's picture

You are probably right, but a 2 L Georgia would have been in over the Bucks this year..  The writing was on the wall.. 

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Chicago Connection's picture

I love the Buckeyes but man I hate the Rose Bowl--it's the biggest booby prize in all of sports (other than Delany himself, of course) located in the middle of the *ss crack of America, i.e., the San Andreas fault region along with the whole state of California. Small surprise the sordid affair takes place on National Hangover Day, and  being drunk and/or cheering the Buckeyes are about the only possible reasons to visit that hideously ugly godforsaken excuse for an overgrown suburb.

I guess Delany is old, infirm and suffering from dementia, so that maybe his mind is drifting back to pre-WWI days when crass tinhorns from out East could still kid themselves that California was a postcard-worthy place instead of the epicenter of bad taste in our solar system. 

I say its' time for Delany to wake up and stop sending his conference on the road for the post-season. If anybody has a remote idea as to what sort of advantage home teams have, well, just imagine what the Big Ten's record would be over the last century if they played at least half of their biggest games in the midwest? 

Maybe once the last clump of Earth is piled on Delany, the next conference chief can start protecting the home boys with post-season games on home turf. Gimme an Ice Bowl in Minnesota, Chicago, or Columbus any day over the annual Toilet Bowl in Pasadena, much less all of the sad bowls of sugar and fruit down south. 

chicagobuckeye

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Mr. Bungle's picture

Set the cruise control and drift over to the right lane. Beautiful. Delaney's Rascal Scooter does not sport a Buckeye bumper sticker.

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VanillaStache's picture

Imagine being so in love with a place that it forces you to be incompetent at your job. I don't believe the Bucks deserved to get in this year but the evidence in this article is eye opening. 

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bucksfan92's picture

I've said for years I would love to see OSU leave the B1G.  It does nothing for us, and often drags us down. It's been that way for decades.  The Rose Bowl is not special.  It's just another bowl game, and in years when it's not in the CFP rotation it IS a consolation prize.  I'm an old guy, so I remember when the Rose Bowl had meaning, it does not and has not for 20 years. Delany and his ilk need to quit pretending like it's some type of prize.  And by the way, the stadium itself is a piece of shit. In 2010 it was showing its age very badly, and was in dire need of major repairs or bulldozing.

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45has2's picture

No wonder Mike Slive ate his lunch for years. He just doesn’t give a shit nor is he relevant. Lame. 

Censores irrumasti.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

 Yes, the Buckeyes defense was not good this year either. We know. Everyone knows.

But Oklahoma's is and was objectively worse. 

The Big12 does not play defense.

Huge numbers happen on offense because of this.

Ramzy with his usual word strong writing. 

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Maxxxx's picture

I wonder...?

Will TOSU vs West Coast team... in the cherry New Years Day Rose Bowl time slot... get better ratings than a playoff semifinal?

Predictions anyone?

Life is short.  Filled with stuff.

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AllAboutBuckeyes's picture

Delany needs to go.  He doesn’t fight for the very teams he represents and let’s espn walk all over us and disrespect us.

buckeyestrong

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