Dwayne epitomizes what it means to be a Buckeye! Much respect to him, always.
Dwayne carried this team every week all year. He had enormous pressure put on him as he constantly had to match scores with opposing offenses running wild on our defense. We could have easily been 9-3 if it weren’t for Dwayne’s heroics. I will miss the ridiculously accurate deep balls. Hope he kills it in the NFL!
Ohio St should have been 9-3 at a minimum. The Penn St and Maryland wins were gifts. Haskins had e phenomenal year and I agree he did carry the team. But he did not pull out those two wins.
^^^Alabama Troll ^^^^
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra
See, that’s the tough part about final scores: they pretty much tell the truth. Ohio State, in case you don’t get that, went 12-1, not the “should have been” 9-3 you seem to be positing. That isn’t how this thing works.
The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.
he's on borrowed time right now at -19. Once he gets -50, he's gone for good.
If anyone needed additional proof of the influence of media, look no further than this. He needs to come back next year and push the bar higher, and the athletic and PR departments need to be solidly behind him.
I agree with you, but sadly I don't think it will happen with Drake as president of the university. He has created a rift between academics and athletics in a very passive-aggressive way.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
I don't understand the lack of respect either, but I think he's going to be an amazing pro. Wish he'd be back next year, but that would probably be foolish on his part -- very high risk for very little reward ... other than getting to enjoy college life one more year. But I don't know how that compares to all the millions of dollars he'd be putting at risk.
"Luck is my middle name. Mind you, my first name is Bad."
Some players do like that college lifestyle, though. I remember AJ Hawk saying he was coming back his senior year because he enjoyed college, and because football got to be fun for one more year and not just a job. Not saying Dwayne will, but that sentiment is out there.
Dwayne is going to have to return in '19 to silence the doubters. One can dream.
"Toughness is a choice."
He did get quite a bit of attention - but was just unfortunate to be great in a year with two other slightly greater guys. If he cares about the Heisman, and not sure he should over a first round pick, then he can come back next year and hopefully we have the receivers and line to get him back in the race to win it.
Astonishing for OK to win back-to-back heismans for QB - not sure that has ever been done before.
Wahoo! Wahoo! Rip, Zip, Bazoo! I Yell. I Yell. For O.S.U.
Astonishing for OK to win back-to-back heismans for QB - not sure that has ever been done before.
Archie Griffin did it once.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
I was not totally sold on Dwayne too, until he finally hit that extra gear!
Win he finally started running with the ball like he did a year ago against ttun, I saw a quarterback who was not going to lose another game!
, I saw a quarterback who was not going to lose another game!
yup. Especially if the team would be an underdog.
Minor point and doesnt really change anything here, but I don’t think Meyer should be blamed for the bungled press conference announcing his suspension. That was squarely on Ohio State and I’m still angry about that. We need to be fair to Meyer on this site because nobody else will.
Im not going to beat a dead horse, but there's a pretty obvious reason why Meyer didnt talk up Haskins much this year.
It would have opened up a lot of questions about the depth chart last year...
You just did. Bloody, with a stick, all over the yard. Not obvious at all. Most of us moved on after the 14 year reign of JTBIV and would have been happy to look to the future. Not so much for you, eh?
The thing is that Meyer shouldn’t have had to talk up Dwayne for him to get Heisman attention. The Heisman campaign should not actually be about campaigning. It should be about results on the field, and character. Publicity, marketing, media appearances should not count. Unfortunately, they do. Until that changes, the award is nothing but a popularity/ beauty//publicity contest. As I stated several times previously, I’m over the preseason polls, and all the post season stuff. I only care about watching Ohio State play, and refuse to have a media agenda impact how I feel about my team.
I've seen some posts on the other threads regarding Haskins blame OSU PR department for not rooting up Dwayne.
First, I personally don't believe a PR department should start banging a drum for one student athlete on a team of 100 plus to win an award. Advertising any player's stats after a game, etc. yes. Obviously spending time and resources to promote one player throughout the year, with the goal of getting that player a national award at the end of the year, no.
Let's not forget that the OSU athletic department was battling with not just the media, but also was dealing with concern over potential NCAA violations from an assistant coach, head coach, and athletic director, and possible violations of employment, contract violations, etc. from all three. The university and it's athletic department were accused via the media and a coach's ex wife of being complicit in covering up accusation of domestic violence, substance abuse, etc, which resulted in a very expensive three week outside investigation and recommendations from outside legal professionals. The assistant coach was fired, the head coach and AD both received suspensions for violating OSU's employment and reporting standards regarding said asst. coach.
This situation took up all of August, then three weeks into September. No one was talking about Haskins for the Heisman at that point, the media was still pouncing on anything OSU published as tone deaf, etc. Remember the "silence" video that was attacked prior to the Penn State game that was removed by OSU due to internet howlers? The next week was Indiana, where Urban went down on the sidelines, and the AD was dealing with that PR mess. Then came Purdue.....Then a bye, and we then almost lost to Nebraska, at home.
Let's not forget McMurphy's accusations in late November that fired asst. coach was also a racist, to which all present said was totally false, and resulted in the AD suggesting they might take legal action...
It would have looked ridiculous for the PR department to have been spending time openly campaigning for a Heisman for Haskins.
Several great points!
Let's also admit that It's tough for national media outlets to simultaneously deride a head coach and university for radically overblown and largely false charges and admit that there is a generational talent playing the quarterback position who is every bit as good as the pre-season 'anointed ones' at said school.
And to think fans were questioning his toughness & commitment to the program only a month ago. Eager to see what Dwayne becomes in the near future.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
He would already have 5000, if he was playing the full game, aside from TCU to start.
He took almost 400 more snaps than Tua. Murray had over 200 more snaps tha Tua. What are you talking about?
Pass attempts are more important than snaps. And having lower attempts should result in higher percentage. Unless you’re awesome
Dwayne Haskins 496 & 70.2%
Tua. 294 66.7%
So you have to use an imaginary season where Tua has more snaps or more attempts. His already inferior passing percentage would drop. Not go up. Plus, he was ‘injured’ at the end of a conf championship game he was losing and Hurts had to clean his mess. So I would extrapolate that Tua would be ‘injured’ more frequently if he had more snaps. You can’t imagine more touchdowns to win awards, you actually have to make touchdowns.
Well, if you watched Ohio State football, you would know Haskins had about 300 passing yards at the half. Or even “just” 200.
Haskins played 1 series in the second half against Rutgers. He had no series in the second half against Tulane. Both teams are miles better than the Citadel.
And with Alabama's cake walk schedule, Tua was never under pressure to perform. Not until Georgiain the SEC title game, and you know how that went. In the MNC game last year against Georgia, there was no film, yet.
Both teams are miles better than the Citadel.
this is the shame of both the SEC and the cfp committee looking the other way. Bama would have a more meaningful intrasquad scrimmage than this fake game they play every year. Almost the most shameful,,,,, wait for it,,,, until you compare citadel to no 13th game. Like Our Lady (nd)
He deserves a tree regardless of list
Legacy Cemented. Indeed.
Fields of Dreams
I'm really going to enjoy watching Dwayne on Sundays. And the occasional Monday and Thursday.
After that PSU game, and his first experience against a relentless front 7, he grew up quick and learned fast how to deal with the pressure. I really won't go as far as others in proclaiming him to be a great future NFL QB, but his learning trajectory from last year to this one shows a ton of potential.
And that arm... my god, that arm.
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
Urban may have been hesitant to talk up Dwayne because of last year. One week, JT becomes Heisman talk because of the PSU comeback and the next week he's playing pitch and catch with that Iowa d-back.
I season my simple food with hunger
It wasn’t just the media. I remember seeing quite a few posters on the game threads criticizing Haskins anytime he threw an incompletion and howling for Tate Martell to replace him. Haskins got shit on and disregarded all year because our entire program was a mess this season. Funny thing given that he was literally the only person in the entire program, player or coach, who actually demonstrated consistent excellence all year long.
Well, on the game day threads you are only as good as your last throw.
One incomplete pass makes a guy from a hero into a bum who should be replaced at the earliest opportunity. But then he's a hero again after a couple good passes. I'm sure it's only that way with a very small minority, but it's a VERY vocal minority.
THE D coaches cost us a lot last two years !! GOT to change!!!!!
The blowouts are on both coaches and players.
No question -- very - VERY unfortunate our defense was so subpar by OSU standards b/c IMHO (ok maybe not so humble, lol) the ONLY time an OSU team on any given night can have a shot to knock off the more mega-talented rosters of Alabama, Clemson, and Georgia's of the world is when we have a QB like C. Jones or Haskins that can sling it to all corners of the field -- it's a shame Haskins will not get his chance this year to give it a shot -- a missed opportunity for OSU's program -- and no dreamers, he is not coming back nor should he as he will be a top 10 pick in Round 1 at worst.
I’ll second this. We’d be right in the mix right now if our D was even remotely close to that of prior years. 67th or wherever they landed in the nation didn’t cut it this year. Fichigan finished at number 1 btw, which only adds salt to the lack of respect Haskins received after torching the hell out them.
Dwayne Haskins and like-minded souls:
may you keep on putting the light you have been given,
on a lampstand not hidden,
so that others may see His light in you.
All American or not, Haskins deserves a Buckeye tree planted somewhere with a plaque.
Don't spook the horse.
I actually think Haskins wants to come back for his senior season. The pressure from the outside will probably push him to the draft. If he does come back and has another season like this one he’ll be legendary GOAT status as a Buckeye.
Ohio State better offer him a great insurance policy to return.
I actually think Haskins wants to come back for his senior season.
Next year would be his Junior season (redshirt) if he comes back.
And rightfully so.
I take issue with this statement. Surprised & disappointed to see it on 11W.
Haskins' season was certainly Heisman worthy. Dunno if OSU's PR campaign for him was.
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
I interpreted the rightfully so mean that the media was being criticized for their lack of promotion of Haskins. Almost like they’re trying to take a dig at the university by spurning this young man.
Thanks, SS, for your reply. I misinterpreted the original post.
There was NEVER any question watching Haskins early in the year that he could absolutely 'throw it' -- and throw it likely better than anyone in OSU history -- the criticism of Haskins most of the year for me was when he to set up to scan his reads/throw @ the end of his drop he would seem most often (with very rare,sporadic exceptions, showing he could do it) look like a statue with his feet in cement and he would do very little if anything to either avoid the rush to buy a few more seconds to throw or simply scramble forward for a few positive yards/slide, etc...instead it was basically like, "Oh well, here comes a rusher, I better hurry to get rid of this pass or just take the sack" -- finally, the 'light went on' and he was able to totally take his game to a big-time new level the last 3 games by VASTLY IMPROVING in moving his feet in the pocket to avoid pass rushers while still keeping his eyes down field and/or scrambling when necessary for what the defense was giving him -- the first TD pass in the B10 CG was a perfect example of this CRUCIAL part of any QB's growth -- once he got that incorporated into his game -- forget about it -- best ever QB @ OSU!
I enjoy his work this year. Just hoping it's not his last.
Thanks Dwayne for an amazing show that we are unlikely to see again. Totally agree with others who stated he is the reason we were not a 3-4 loss team. I jumped on the D-Train during the '17 TTUN game and enjoyed every subsequent performance. Be looking forward to watching him again next year, no matter if it is Saturday or Sunday.
Haskins should go to the League. The window is small and injuries are real. That said, if some wealthy alumnus wants to ser up a trust fund for Haskins to return to The Ohio State University, that would be fine with me. He is a legend.
Day and Haskins will have some SERIOUS conversations about the pros and cons of coming back. If he plays Buckeye Football next year with the same outcomes as this year, he wins by the highest margin ever and is #1 pick in 2020 draft. If he plays and is hurt he probably goes where he would this year; 10-15. The money is a wash cuz his longevity in NFL is not affected by the year he comes out; 2019 or 2020 = same # of nfl years played, say 15 for arguments sake. The later you start, the more you make, with the NFL pie growing as it has. If he's picked higher next year than this, with Heisman cred, rookie contract is 10 mill more over 4 years, with $30+ mill in second contract. He's rich for life unless he blows it either way, so if he'd like to play another year for whatever reason, there's no reason not to. Martell will transfer though.