The Season Dwayne Haskins Just Put Together Deserved Much More Attention Than It Got

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c92996p's picture

Kyler had an excellent season and I didn't really have a problem with him winning it.  I'll accept the excuse that its harder to compare Dwayne and Kyler since only one is dual threat.  But I maintain that Dwayne is the player you would want to build around if starting a college football team from scratch and no one is going to convince me otherwise.  In my book, he is certainly the best player in the country.

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Yoda888's picture

All three would have been worthy winners of the trophy.  but the national narrative, espoused and perpetuated by ESPN, that only Kyler and Tua were worthy of consideration from such an early time in the season and throughout is just lazy and agenda-filled (for the SECPN conspiracy theorists, which makes them less and less so when things like this keep happening).  it certainly doesn't bode well for ESPN being at sports journalism.  

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Spirit's picture

All year I have lost my taste for their so called journalism and try to avoid their channels and sites.

Spirit

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Buckeye82's picture

I think the simple test is how good would Oklahoma, Bama, OSU have been without each QB. Clearly Bama would have been fine with their backup, as shown in the SEC Championship. Oklahoma and OSU clearly would not have finished where they did without Kyler and Haskins.

I have no problem with Kyler winning, but it should have been Kyler & Haskins as the top two.

Buckeye82

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Colortv1967's picture

Not when Haskins took almost 400 more snaps than Tua and almost 200 more snaps than Murray. Not saying that he is not a good QB, but not # 1 or 2. 

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seyekcuB's picture

We will see what the guys who cut checks think.

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Bucks19's picture

Agree Color. Stats are sometimes misleading. In this case it was. Tua sat whole 4th Q in almost every game 

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Yoda888's picture

@Bucks19 and @Color - you're both correct.  But as always, things must be taken into context.  Bama has a dominant defense, unfortunately, the Bucks did not, and therefore the offense had to be out there and trying to outscore opponents until the very end.  Kyler ran the ball significantly more than Haskins.  

any of them would have earned the Heisman.  but net, net, Haskins should have gotten much more attention than he did from the media and voters.  This, is the ultimate point.  

Yoda888

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Jasper's picture

Take Tua off that team, does it change the outcome of a single game?

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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Red Shirt Ensign's picture

Playing in the SEC (WEAK) and FCS teams will do that to ya!

"Captain, over here, I've found someth... AHHHH!!!!!!"

 

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WC Buckeye's picture

Keep these thoughts in mind when you read yet another pro-ESPN, “no bias”, “no conflict of interest” post on this site. It’s all about the money. ESPN will always do what it thinks is in its best interests, and anyone who sees it differently is fooling himself.

Rece Davis being butthurt for getting called out on it should tell you everything you need to hear. He’s one of the ringleaders, and a lazy “journalist” to boot.

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Homey1970's picture

It may not be a network directed conspiracy; however, the talking heads all bring their own biases.  

For instance, what college did Davis attend?  The answer gives you an idea.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

It rhymes with Roll Tide. 

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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faux_maestro's picture

Parole Tide.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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PhillyNut's picture

I find that typically the more the media defends what they did and try to deny it or play it off as homerism by the fans the more it proves that it is exactly what they did and are guilty of. Rece Davis in particular is coming off badly as having to be the face of ESPN in defend what they did.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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pall bearer's picture

while other teams were touting their players as hesiman finalists. osu was scrambling to cover up the smith ordeal. Guilty or not it distracted  everyone from the  guys who  were on the field raking in millions for the university and  shoe salesmen.

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buckeye1964's picture

haskins will get his due - of the three, he's the one that's going to be a star in the nfl. anyone who watches the 3 qbs play can tell who the #1  qb is 

danny

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buckeyedude's picture

haskins will get his due - of the three, he's the one that's going to be a star in the nfl.

Great point. It will be interesting to see where these three get drafted.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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cledaybuck's picture

It’s going to be hard to compare to Murray because baseball is certainly going to have an effect.

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jpg's picture

Draft, yes ...but he will be the next from OSU that dominates the NFL, a la Zeke, Bosa, Thomas.

Aside, one realizes NFL is the lesser league when the top FBS players come in and consistently dominate the old dogs. Was kinda funny watching Barkley impose his will today ...same one who OSU completely de-clawed in their last matchup.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

 It also means you cede control of the story to a media that won't appreciate that effort if it runs contrary to the storyline of the season that they want to create.

Bama and Oklahoma ran publicity campaigns from the start of the season for their Heisman Candidates, and Ohio State did not.  This makes a huge difference. 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

The problem is OSU let Dwayne down by not promoting him through out the year. The others had Heisman Campaigns running from day 1 OSU didn't mention it until they put out that graphic after the B10 championship game when half of the votes had already been submitted.

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G.'s picture

Sure the media should celebrate what he did more than they are... But then again, he will probably be better off because they didn't. Silent professionalism, and deflecting praise onto all others who make it possible to perform well should be the ultimate goal. Haskins sounds like he probably understands that.

G.

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2morrow's picture

Good point G. I think they did DH a favor.

 It also means you cede control of the story to a media that won't appreciate that effort if it runs contrary to the storyline of the season that they want to create.

And anyone who hasn't figured out yet what journalism has become - you're not trying hard enough.

If the only reason for DH to come back next year is to change the opinion of the media and doubters, it's not going to happen. Would love to see him for another year, but I think that may be foolish on his part.

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Buck298's picture

Sometimes you just have to toot your own horn. 

OSU PR department dropped the ball big time again. What dunderhead runs that department? B1G equally dropped the ball in promoting Haskins and OSU. We know that dunderhead's name. It's Delaney. And then absolutely nothing from the University President to congratulate the team on their B1G Championship and Haskins Heisman candidacy. Yet another dunderhead. 

(dunder)heads need to roll...….all of them!

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garyb's picture

That PR starts with the coach to some degree, Urban didn’t even give him the props he deserved or mention anything about it until it was too late. He was too busy handing out champions dinner awards to Boarland and Werner. 

"All Aboard the Dwayne Train"

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TigerSweat's picture

True. Funny too. +1

Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0

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The Rill Dill's picture

Urban didn’t like Haskins’ game. 

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Spirit's picture

Gee, I would love to see that!

Spirit

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SilverHaven's picture

Right on 298.  PR is not coach Urban's responsibility.  It's the AD's PR dept. It's the OSU president's PR dept.  It's the Big Ten's PR dept.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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faux_maestro's picture

Careful Johnny, you will be called a conspiracy theorist for pointing out facts like this.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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TigerSweat's picture

I'm not even sure it can be labeled as a conspiracy theory at this point... ESPN would be required to actively attempt to hide their bias for it to be a conspiracy. They blatantly prove over and over that they play favorites.

Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0

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The Rill Dill's picture

The fact that they PUSH for one team/player over another, should tell anyone all that’s needed to know. National Enquiree of sports. Oh, forgot.....Herbstreit can swing on deez.

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faux_maestro's picture

I made the point yesterday in the post right after the announcement that maybe Dwayne finished so far behind because he was ignored all season and I was called a conspiracy theorist by a certain poster.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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Buck298's picture

Look at Haskins face in the Heisman pics. This quiet taciturn solemnity about him. He's there silently taking it all in and being polite. But you gotta think he is looking around the room and thinking, OK, don't believe in me, you just wait until you see the show I'm about to put on. 

I feel bad for Washington, they are about to have a very bad horrible day. OK, I don't really feel bad for them.  

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buckeyedude's picture

Agreed. I hope Washington sees a "Michigan-type beatdown."
 

I also wonder if the players are going to wear "URBAN" headbands, like the team did for Earle?

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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J10's picture

Here is a full breakdown of the voting. Sorry for the lack of spacing. Top 6 are QBs
Name 1st 2nd 3rd Total
1. Kyler Murray 517 278 60 2,167
2. Tua Tagovailoa 299 431 112 1,871
3. Dwayne Haskins 46 111 423 783
4. Will Grier 4 17 80 126
5. Gardner Minshew 6 15 74 122
6. McKenzie Milton 4 14 19 39
7. Travis Etienne 0 6 17 29
8. Quinnen Williams 1 4 16 27
9. Jonathan Taylor 0 2 19 26
10. Darrell Henderson 0 3 15 2
 

**This space to be filled with an inspirational quote from a famous Buckeye**

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c92996p's picture

Quinnen Williams isn't even the best defensive player in the country.  What delusional Bama writer gave him a first place vote?

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BuckeyeChief's picture

“Senior Chief reporting as ordered for losing a bet!”

I agree; this whole award season has been a head scratcher, including the Silver Football vote and mid-west Heisman vote.

SCPO, USN (ret)

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

“Senior Chief reporting as ordered for losing a bet!”

(Returns Salute)

As you were, Senior Chief. ;-)

I think Haskins is going to make a huge exclamation point Jan. 1, 2019 in Pasadena.

Go Bucks.

Win the Roses.

For Urban.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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PhillyNut's picture

I am so looking forward to being there in person to see the show. First time ever to the Rose Bowl. Bucket list since I was 7 years old (now 61).

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

You're a lucky guy, PhillyNut.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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buckeyedude's picture

this whole award season has been a head scratcher, including the Silver Football vote and mid-west Heisman vote.

But Shea Patterson DID win the September Heisman, so one can take solace in that!

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Il_Padrino's picture

BC - what are you doing these days?  I retire 1 Aug 2019 and am trying to figure out what I am going to do when I grow up after all these years in.

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002, 2014 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

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Buctor's picture

Well written.  Equally hard to understand.  But I am glad there were no unwieldy interviews.  

It seems that for many, many years it has no longer been the best player (as they claimed Hornug was) but rather a guy from a team with one of the best records.  But even under those conditions, it's still hard to understand why Mr Haskins was not more prominent in the media.

He will do well in everything he does in life!  What an attitude!!  That's both during his football career and after.

Thanks for the wonderful memories!!!  Especially the last game of the regular season.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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DukeofWeimar's picture

It's not just espn or national media. The big hitters that report midwest football ignored him as well. The voting for the Tribune Silver Football is as telling as anything else about Haskins perception. That he did not get unanimous or near unanimous (Taylor maybe deserved a few votes) is an indictment of of local/regional media. If our own base can't see what's in front of them, how could the national media? If you could place Devin Bush, Trace McSorley, or Rashan Gary over Haskins on your local ballot...you are the root of the problem.

btw..Murray deserved the Heisman..4,000 passing and nearly 1,000 rushing is epic...I don't care what power 5 conference you play in.

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BucksHave7's picture

Its all jealousy about tOSU.   We have a Heisman candidate by season's end who didnt start a single game before this season

Funny is No Shae Patterson or Trace McShorty at all?    We had wanna be's in here just 90 days ago telling us how great their QB would do this season.   

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Bucks19's picture

Is this the same poster who said 3 undefeated teams wouldn’t be in the playoffs because it’s never happened before?

And the same poster who guaranteed that if we won out we would be guaranteed a spot in the playoffs?

is this that same guy or am I mistaken?

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BucksHave7's picture

Way to restate facts.  LOL    Yes. Prior to this year there were only 3 undefeated teams in all prior playoffs in total.  This year there are 3 undefeated's in the playoff. 

Do we know yet which HS Trace Mcshorty is gonna be coaching at? 

BucksHave7

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Bucks19's picture

It’s Mr TOSU himself  

So how’d it work out we were a lock to be in by winning out? You were o’fer as in zero correct. I’m shocked. 

So please let me know how I can get my Ohio State season tickets again? Oh that’s right. You did tell me and were ......WRONG 

0-3

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Brooksie's picture

Dwayne will have a LOT more Super Bowl rings than Tua - book it. Not fair to pin that on Kyler, as he will have a successful MLB career. But Tua - please......
 

Bucks Fan since 1970

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Ehh, predicting super bowl rings for NFL QBs is impossible. Will he be more successful and win more games as a starter? Yes I think so. Let's stick with that.

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ELJTSA76's picture

Dan Marino thought so too. Football is a team sport. 

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Blackcoffee's picture

Just fuck the narrative! Fuck it all to hell! He was amazinng to watch. All season!

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JMeadows's picture

The ESPN model for sports reporting is becoming tiresome.  They focus on whoever is doing best, whichever team is having the best year and then they do in-depth stories of the players on those teams while glossing over everyone else and interjecting a bit of tear-candy for those who can't get control of the remote to change channels.  They insist, of course, they are just doing detailed analysis on teams and people of interest, but because of their model, their format, they have too much say in things like awards and CFP rankings and it rubs most fans the wrong way.  If only their executives would realize this, they might be able to reverse the slide in ratings they've been having the past decade or so.  I don't really despise Kirk Herbstreit, but he has no business applauding the CFP committee for "getting it right" and I'm pointing this particular statement out because of its real impact upon how the CFP and groups like it react to it.  One television network should not have that much power in influencing what happens.  

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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prdoctor's picture

Yes, and it's all in the name of driving viewership - all pointed to the next televised event. Hell, we barely got to enjoy the sandblasting of TTUN before they were out there bitching about this team's flaws, talking about what they didn't deserve -- but, hey, be sure to catch this NEXT big game because it's sure to impact Ohio State's playoff chances. I get why they're doing it, but that doesn't make it any less grating.

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Homey1970's picture

Don’t forget about the SJW slant to its programming.

 <cue the inspirational instrumental music and Tom Rinaldi’s voice>

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SpringtuckyBuck's picture

I disagree as I've grown increasingly tired of Kirk. The guy tries so hard to not look biased that he moved his family to Nashville and his kids are even going to Clemson??

The problem is his non-bias has evolved to a significant south of the Mason-dixon line bias. Luckily I can tune him down during the Rose Bowl and listen to the radio commentary.

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DUNNELLONFLBUCK's picture

Galloway has become a ESPN bootlicker too.

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earthpig's picture

It's called fallout folks..  The ZS issue, and then the Purdue L wrote the narrative long before yesterday.  The thing that irked me was the flat out rude behavior by ESPN in general.  Rece is OK with it, I think deep down Herbie knows it was wrong.  CBS pulled off having all three together for a halftime segment during Army/Navy, but ESPN couldn't manage to pull it off on Gameday when they had all morning..

Pigskins & Porkrinds

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buellerC11's picture

I think we all know it's fallout deep down, but we expect a higher standard from the likes of ESPN and the rest of the media and so don't want to believe it.  We expect a more honest approach to the whole thing and not immature backlash because a school didn't fire the coach like the media wanted them to.

I feel this season was a mix of politics and sports that should never happen.  I'm glad it's almost over and really want next year to be better.

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JMeadows's picture

There's something to be said for this and not just with ESPN.  The term scandal is still applied to ZS and attached to Meyer and that is neither fair nor accurate.  Smith was less of a villain than he was someone you would not want singing first tenor in your boychoir  Even now Jerry DiNardo is calling for Meyer to do something in his retirement to atone about domestic violence as though he should be somehow penitent. On the other hand, I don't think the press is held to a high enough standard in terms of their own atonement for not getting the story right to begin with.  The Press will always attach Urban's suspension to any future articles about him, but I seriously doubt that Brett McMurphy will be remembered as the guy who edited an inconvenient error from his post or who used false evidence in support of a post on alleged racist comments. The Press should heed the words of my hero, Pogo, "we have met the enemy and he is us." 

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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earthpig's picture

Yep..  You are 100% spot on..  The thing is these folks (press) have no problem welcoming Hugh Freeze back into coaching..

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jpg's picture

"we expect a higher standard from the likes of ESPN"

Really?

"this season was a mix of politics and sports that should never happen. "

Yes, this. So there's political football, but really... Who the fuck would watch football if it was a game of Politics?

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NOBLUE's picture

its only a popularity contest ..just like politics...mostly hyped by the news media according to their agenda...the award really isn't that relevant anymore as far as all the BULL***T that is involved..GO BUCKS BEAT WASHINGTON!! GO GATORS!!

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Chewbucca's picture

Being as the media starts publishing lists and pushing players before the season even starts, it's impossible to take the award seriously. There is a TV formula that reduces the award to a player that has to be in the NC hunt. I don't remember that as a condition of the selection process, but it's certainly there.

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Homey1970's picture

It’s got to have something to fill the airwaves...like it’s CFP ranking shows starting in what, October?!  What the hell does the CFP rankings have to do with anything until the last couple of weeks of the season?

ANSWER: Viewers and ad revenue.

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DUNNELLONFLBUCK's picture

Amazing the power and influence the media has.

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buckeyedude's picture

...and the amazing amount of manipulation they employ on the unknowing, unsophisticated masses. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I’ve previously said to folks, in an effort to entice Haskins to come back, it’s been said that he could win the Heisman next year.

My point was, in a historic season such as this one, OSU didn’t nothing to promote him, why would they do anything any differently next season.

I’m of the (personal) opinion that his stats could’ve been even more, but he was “managed” while the backup QB got snaps early in blowout games and the season, much earlier than Haskins EVER did last year as the backup to JT !

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Jammosu's picture

Tia will win next year unless he is exposed.

Jammosu

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Bucks19's picture

And Tua played a couple hundred less snaps than Haskins. Is that taken into account with stats?

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Neilwoodgables's picture

I wonder if makes the young man think that he wants to come back and lay waste to college football on his way to a heisman, national title and being the number one overall pick?

I Hate Michigan.

 

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GlenBuck's picture

My recollection is that OSU did a lot of campaigning for Troy Smith and Eddie George back in the day.  Would be interesting to go back and look at the details compared what the University didn’t do this year.

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prdoctor's picture

Orlando Pace, even. The difference this time is we were dealing with a first-year starter and an unknown. (In fact, we weren't sure he'd even BE the starter.) What we ended up with was the most optimistic outcome any of us could've imagined.

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Brutus's picture

Isn’t the genesis of the pancake block a stat that was created by Ohio State to promote Pace’s candidacy for the Heisman? Serious question.  If so, that was some grade A marketing.

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prdoctor's picture

It is. In fact, I still have a "Pace" pancake magnet Ohio State mailed to media members in '96.

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buckeyedude's picture

...and Chris Gamble(two-way player) and Joey Galloway. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Dillon G's picture

Imagine the news you’re missing if consume all the fake news.

#walkaway

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GrapeApe's picture

The media is not your friend, people. They are the 5th column. Started around Vietnam. Open your eyes 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Dillon G,

I’d be careful if I was you; there’s a two word phrase you used that led me to be banned once (albeit for only 24 hrs).

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buckeyedude's picture

If you think we have free speech in this country... look around. People getting fired daily for things they SAY because it might hurt someone's feelings. 

We've come a long ways since The Greatest Generation, my father(WWII U.S. Navy Seabee) and mother's generation, and not for the better, IMO. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Waterbeagle's picture

I find Reece Davis irritating...full of himself

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

Ever since reece davis took fowler’s old spot on college game day his head has been inflated. He’s a bama boy. So, what can one really expect?

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LB U's picture

He's a huge Notre Dame fan boy also for some reason. I can't stand Rece Davis. He used to be a voice of reason.. those days are long gone.

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Crumb's picture

That's just cause he was partnered with Mark May a lot. ESPN does this. They like to have blithering idiots around to make their so called experts look smarter. May made Davis look smart. Desmond and Corso make Herbstreit look like Einstein. Truth is they're all jokes. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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BornAndBredABuckeye's picture

Between the Haskins snub and Meyer retiring, the Huskies have already lost, they just don't know it yet.

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Wildragei's picture

Oh they know they have lost already however, they don’t get paid if they don’t show up.

Wildragei

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BuckEYEdoctor's picture

I hope Dwayne isn’t as disappointed as most of our fans seem to be. Dwayne should be proud of his unprecedented accomplishments. Now pull a Zeke and show everyone who the true Heisman is in the pro ranks. 

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Homey1970's picture

What bothers me most about the heisman is the extremely large number of people who get a vote.  Many get a vote because they simply cover the sport on TV or print.

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Kalmar's picture

That and the friggen early voting. No votes should come in before the championship games.

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OH-IO's picture

F ESECPN

OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

Who chooses the players that go to New York? After that happens why can’t then and only then the ballots be sent out to all the voters? I don’t understand how votes can come in before the season is over. That’s ridiculous. A few of the other players on the list shouldn’t even be considered and if people are voting for them, they should lose that privilege. Change the system. Even if the process got the right winner, that doesn’t mean the process is correct. 

Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!!!

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

The balloting occurs before the invite. So the invites to NY are based on the votes. The Heisman trust or Deloitte or whoever tallies the votes, and then determines how many players get invited to NY.

In other words, the voters don't vote on only those who get invited, they vote for their Heisman winner on their ballots, and those results are used to determine invites/the winner.

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jrgdds's picture

Haskins didn't win the Heisman at least last night although there is a very tiny chance that he stays and wins it next year.  In 2018, no player did more for their team.  Out of the three on the stage there was only one pro caliber QB standing there, and that was Haskins. Whenever he decides to go pro, he'll be the one laughing all the way to the bank.

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TLB's picture

I wish Fox would throw enough cash at the B1G so they could pull out of the 4letter all together.

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Davebuck187's picture

Oh it's coming. ESPN will eventually go out of business. Disney dosen't even want them.

"Woody is a God-fearing man. It's good to know that he's afraid of somebody."
-Archie Griffin.

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Bucks19's picture

Fox?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Not 4 hour games. At no expense!

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subUrbanBuck22's picture

Set big ten records and slayed Michigan,

And still no Respect,

How Come, ESPN???

Go Bucks!

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WezBuck28's picture

Can't spell "worthless fucking bastards" without ESPN...well..you can, but you get the point..

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buckeyearchie76's picture

I go back to the Rex Kern days and the super sophs. Dwayne is the best quarterback of them all.  Yes, the numbers are off the chart this year.  But, just remember that last game in Ann Arbor.  He came in and beat the Wolverines in the fourth quarter.  Without his play late in the game, we could have easily been beaten.  What a joy it was to watch him this year--if it was only for one complete season.  And he did a great job to help hide what I will call an "off season" for our defense.  We are going to miss him next year.  

Louis Haynes

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mockjocks's picture

My main issue with the Heisman presentation show, was that during Haskins segment they only talked about beating Michigan. Like he was some one-trick pony. He literally broke every B1G single season record - I didn't hear one mention of Drew Brees. 

I also didn't like that there was no side-by-side-by-side comparison of season stats. I like that graphic because it shows how close all 3 of them are in their season performances. All 3 performances were Heisman worthy.

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Iwouldliketotalktoyou's picture

I thought of Drew Brees last night. So, out of curiosity, I looked at where he placed in the Heisman voting in 1999 and 2000, the 2 years he was a finalist. Now, keep in mind he had beaten Ohio State and Michigan in 2000, won the Big Ten and set the bar for single season yardage in the conference. He finished..... wait for it......THIRD......I believe a precedent had been set long before Mr. Haskins showed off his talents this year. He also was amazing in 1999 and finished FOURTH. This is nothing new for the Big Ten.

Gotta love it.

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mockjocks's picture

This is good stuff +1. I don't have a gripe on Haskins finishing 3rd at all. I am agreeing with folks who feel the coverage was poor. 

And, if I was a betting man - had Drew Brees been playing in a Scarlet and Gray or Maize and Blue uni, he would've won the Heisman in all likelihood.

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Iwouldliketotalktoyou's picture

I have to agree with you as well. I dont believe Murray didnt deserve the Heisman. He did. I put his rushing numbers as the one thing that stands out to me.

I also think you are right about Brees. Put him in a high profile uniform and he wins it. Purdue was known for quarterback play, but it still isnt the same.

Gotta love it.

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BuckminsterFullback's picture

Imagine, for a moment, that Nick Bosa hadn't gotten hurt, and had put up crazy numbers: 18 sacks, 30 TFL, a fumble return for TD, etc.

Do you think he would have cracked the top 5 for Heisman voting? Could he get more votes than the Gardner Minshew? I doubt it.

I understand the indignation; as UFM would say, if they're going to keep score, we want to win. But the Heisman is seldom actually awarded to the best player in the country. It's a nice honor that validates a great season, and I guess it buys you a role in a series of silly commercials, but maybe we're all taking it a wee bit too seriously.

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Spoon's picture

The Heisman is a sham of an award and has been for a very long time. It is, supposedly, an award for the most outstanding player in all of college football. Can anybody keep a straight face while saying the most outstanding player is, with a small handful of exceptions, always a QB or RB? It's pretty asinine if you think about it.

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livinthedream's picture

That first statement in the SBnation is so spot on. As is your last.  Reece Davis can try to excuse it away all he wants but the truth is the media (as usual) is the most culpable, feeding stories that shape public perception.  

I also believe tOSU media machine let Dwayne down. The vote is clearly a popularity contest and like any other name recognition is key.  No he wasn’t a seasoned veteran like Troy or Eddie but if you have a talent like him you still promote the product early and build upon the successes.  Hence you avoid his name being excluded on 40 percent of ballots.  If he were to stay they better start the  campaign immediately. 

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dbit's picture

It seems like the consensus is: Tua is good, but didn't deserve to win. Kyler is great, did deserve to win.  

I agree regarding Tua.  However, I think we need to consider that maybe Kyler is a product of the system and his Big12 schedule.  Kyler put up 4000 passing and 1000 rushing, while the QB right before him (Baker) put up 4700 passing and 300 rushing.  Baker had 3700 and 4000 passing yards the years before that, albeit without the rushing numbers.  

Haskins put up 4600 passing and 100 rushing. The QB preceding him (JT) in the two prior years put up 3000 passing and 800 rushing, and then 2600 passing and 800 rushing.  This is a stark difference.

To me, we know Haskins is not a system quarterback playing against soft defenses, whereas, while Kyler is likely very talented, there also may be a large component of the Lincoln Riley system combined with Big 12 defenses.  This makes Haskins the clear winner in my book.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Lemme put this as as bluntly and succinctly as I can. ESPN, CBS, ABC, and pretty much ALL of the sports MSM have one purpose in life: DESTROY THE OSU and the B1G 10. Pure and simple. I marvel at the narratives and premises that are developed each year to throw shade at OSU. A conference that won all but ONE (TTUN!) bowl game last year will not be represented in the playoffs for a third straight year. And hear me, Kyler Murray is NO BETTER THAN Trace McSorley, it’s just that Trace plays against defenses. Murray wouldn’t have half the numbers he had in the B1G. And Tua? Please. Alabama did BETTER against Georgia with Hurt. If Tua doesn’t get hurt, Alabama loses that game. OHIO AGAINST THE WORLD!

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Johnny Ginter's picture

national networks love ohio state, and the viewers it brings in. don't lose to purdue and iowa and you've got consecutive playoff appearances.

my point is that the national media is lazy, not malicious. troy Smith was the beneficiary of the narrative back in 2006, when he had a great but not historic heisman campaign and faced no serious challengers for the award

OldTownBuckNut's picture

National networks LOVE OSU’s RATINGS, but they love the SEC MORE. If you think the slick media campaign and clips on ESPN that only featured Tua and Kyler were due to “laziness,” I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe find a different avocation. It was a purposeful effort to snub Haskins. Maybe not “malicious,” but it’s college sports, but certainly purposeful. And I’m sick to death of this “don’t lose to Purdue/Iowa” BS. With our legit schedule with NINE CONFERENCE GAMES, two P5 OOC games, and one top G5 game, we should have the benefit of the doubt, especially when Alabama and the rest of the SEC plays three cupcakes a season. Why do THEY get the benefit of the doubt? Heck, I’d settle for it just being a topic of conversation but there’s NONE in the national media. Why isn’t OOC/number of conference games part of the precious, infallible committees moving goalposts called “criteria?” We can chronicle the past five years of the playoffs and see how specifically the goal posts have been moved to favor the SEC. We’re not some fly by night operation, we’re THE Ohio State University! 

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Johnny Ginter's picture

lol my dude bama gets the benefit of the doubt because they're undefeated, coached by nick saban, and have won like every other national championship for the past decade. not exactly a fly by night operation either.

OldTownBuckNut's picture

“My dude,” Nick Saban couldn’t win in the B1G, then goes to the SEC and is now considered “the goat.” C’mon. Alabama’s won more championships because they’ve gotten WAY more opportunities based upon the bias. Look at their championship games. How would we have fared against those teams? Probably just as well. With the exception of Clemson three years ago, and Florida game we’ve always played well in the BCS/CFP. Stop perpetuating this myth of Alabama. We saw what happens when we play them. They’re very beatable. And again, now that we’ve entrusted the selection of the “four best teams” by 13 individuals (and the B1G reps recuse themselves), is it any wonder Alabama’s made it five straight years with their garbage schedule? Last year they lost to the only ranked team they played, didn’t play in their conference championship, and got in over Wisconsin. I mean c’mon. What more proof do you need? I get that WE had two losses, but so did Georgia this season and look at where they finished in the rankings. THE BIAS IS REAL. 

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Bucks19's picture

Old - are you on drugs? Bias towards Bama? How about looking at ON FIELD RESULTS? 

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Homey1970's picture

national networks love ohio state, and the viewers it Ohio State brings in.

FIFY

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Haha thanks!! Nailed it!!

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Bucks19's picture

Are you out of your mind????!!!!!! Why would any network want to trash a program who brings ratings? Do you not understand marketing? Seriously. Answer that. 

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Texbuckbear's picture

Looks like Dwayne needs to play for OSU one more season to lock-down that Heisman, once and for all. 

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AZBuck LHC's picture

Even if I remove my Ohio State hat, I can make a strong case that media didn't give Haskins equal coverage. Unfortunate, but his accomplishments should be celebrated by our fan base for sure. Sadly, even a big percentage of Buckeye fans have not been totally appreciative of how great his season has been because the team struggled at times and failed to be the dominate team everyone was hoping for. Looking back, it is unfortunate that he didn't have a chance to start on last year's team that had a much better defense(Despite the Iowa debacle), but we can grateful for his record-breaking season and wish him well in the NFL next season.

Buckeye B

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Bucks19's picture

Exactly! This exact board was trashing Dwayne 5 weeks ago because of his lack of ability to run. Now he’s the GOAT. SMH

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Ocbucks's picture

Lost opportunity yes but not just this year. If Haskins was at least given a chance that he deserved last year osu would have gone father. He beat Michigan and was clearly a better QB than J.T.  urban says the best man plays but he does not live by that. A victim again of loyalty over reality. 

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buckeyeradar's picture

I feel the problem that Ohio State players have starts with our own conference.  If you're not recognized in your own conference other so called media networks pick up on it.  Urban in his seven years as coach never pick up coach of the year in the Big 10, even though he was named coach of the year nationally in 2014 for his national championship.  Too much bias.  This year Haskins wasn't even considered for the Maxwell, if that doesn't show bias then we all live in a vacuum.

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buckeyeradar's picture

Oh I forgot to mention that I'm proud of what Kyler Murray did for my community for winning the Hiesman.  I moved to Allen, Texas after retiring from Ohio.  I had two horses in the race.

I may not be the sharpest crayon in the box but I'm one of the most colorful.

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BluntedBrutus's picture

Tua was definitely last in the this vote.... below Haskins. Glad he didn't win at least. Go Buckeyes...

"Conversely, Urban Meyer and his players are an unstoppable army of football automatons that feel no emotion and win in any and every setting."

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Brutus's picture

Had Haskins won, he could have etched his name alongside the likes of Winston, Manziel, and Newton (don’t talk to me about how great he is with kids...he still took $150k to sign with Auburn). All these guys won the award despite ample evidence at the time that they were unworthy of the supposed distinction that the Heisman should go to the player “whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity”. So I ask you, how much of a loss is it really that Haskins didn’t win this award. 

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Brutus's picture

Also, consider for a moment the juxtaposition of us and TTUN right now. This morning we are bitching that our record breaking QB wasn’t voted high enough in the Heisman balloting. Meanwhile, over at MGo the site almost crashed because they lost a 5* to Bama and most blame the 62 points that our Heisman candidate put on him (ok, it was only 55). Talk about first world problems.

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woodyson's picture

What about the disrespect a noteworthy contingent of this fanbase showed by calling him soft and saying he was saving himself for the draft?  Wonder if that had any impact on the Heisman narrative?

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I am Kirok's picture

^ This.
Half the people in this thread calling it an outrageous called for Tate to play or called Haskins soft.

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Silver_Bullet's picture

I could care less what Rece Davis has to say.  He's just a little ole ESPN personality, many of which I'm completely tired of listening to.  ESPN is so SEC biased, it's downright sickening.  Bottom line is our historic QB deserved more attention, and my hope is that Fox and the B1G Network will come through and do a documentary on his 2018 season.  My other hope is that Haskins returns for his RS Junior season and blows away his own records, and leads Ohio State to another B1G title.  I said this last year, and again this season: Ohio State got hot at the right time both years, and my belief is had they made the playoff, they would have been repeat National Champs.

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SchnikeyPete's picture

Haskins just entered the conversation too late.  A lot of those votes are already in by the Michigan game and that was his "Heisman" moment.  We all know how this works.  I'm really surprised that people are bitching about this.  I suspect that some just want to use this as another proof positive that the world is out to get OSU.  I just don't think that this is a case for outrage.

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Buxki84's picture

I posted this on another thread:

Haskins' signature moment was in the win over Maryland. Down by 14 twice, comeback twice. Down by 7, no timeouts, under a minute to go and he drives the team down for the tying score. Delivers a perfect TD ball to Victor. And Haskins scores the winning TD in OT. If the Buckeyes lose that game, no Big Ten title. The outcome of the season hung in the balance, and he delivered. Clearly, a Heisman moment.

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Bucks19's picture

You need to go look at when the votes came in. You aren’t even in the same hemisphere. You are making statements that are factually false. 

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FireManBuckeye87's picture

Is anyone actually surprised by this? Although I cannot say I felt Kyler Murray didn't deserve the Heisman, he did! He had to put that team on his back multiple times when their god awful defense failed. He was instrumental in bringing Oklahoma back in the first matchup against Texas. They were down huge in that game, and it was a tie game before the field goal that sealed it for Texas. What pisses me off is the typical Ohio State treatment, Haskins had zero chance and he was simply there to fill a seat. The truth of the matter is, even though he threw for 480 yards on 73 passing attempts against Purdue, his Heisman chance was shot after we lost the game, even though it remained to be seen, ESPN had plenty of reason not to choose Haskins and make certain he wouldn't be chosen after we got blown out by a "bad" team. If a buckeye is going to win the Heisman, they have to be light years better than the competition. Unfortunately most any other year Haskins is the Heisman winner.

It should not be discounted the season he had, absolutely brilliant. If he returns to Ohio State, most likely he will not produce the same numbers. We lose a ton of Wide Receivers and there's just no replacing all of that in 1 year. There's way more to those historic numbers than Dwayne simply throwing amazing passes. 

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newmexicanbrutus's picture

Rece Davis is a tool. The dude responds on twitter to people questioning ESPN bias, and he responds with salt! Why justify your position at all?  Dude complains about time he won’t get back that he willing gave up. Seriously who gives a shit what people think, especially if you’ve done the right thing. Bottom line is fake news got the ball rolling for an ugly and very disrespectful season of coverage from the SECsupepac, ESPN. 

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TLeeUpInThisJ's picture

Nobody should be surprised. ESPN is airing the Oklahoma/Alabama CFP game on Dec 29th and the Heisman is a great way to promote their investment. ESPN is owned by a public company that has shareholders seeking return. This isn’t PBS. Do we like to see college football games on TV? Nobody is going to go through the effort to put games on TV if there isn’t money to be made. Media bias is a part of the game and without the media were not watching the games in our living rooms. Sure there is bias with ESPN and SEC just like there is with Fox and B1G — they are promoting their economic interests which is the job of for profit media. I’m tired of OSU fans complaining about ESPN SEC bias — stop watching the talking head shows if you don’t like it. Quit torturing yourselves.

Besides, Haskins finished a distant 3rd on the voting so there isn’t really a big conspiracy here. He deserved more votes but he had a long way to go to to 2nd place.

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Timbucktoo's picture

College football ain't what it used to be. These days, ESPN seemingly just as often finds itself creating news as reporting it. Its presence and influence is so ubiquitous, ESPN's "perceptions" become our reality. Case in point:  ESPN talking heads anointed Alabama as one of the greatest teams, and Tua one of the greatest QBs, ever... in August. That narrative has been near impossible to overcome such that, according to the talking heads, Alabama would've been guaranteed a slot in the CFP even had Georgia blown them out in the SEC championship. And by virtue of Alabama's greatness, a mere 7-point loss to Alabama in the SEC championship deemed a two-loss Georgia (with a bad, 20 pt loss to offensively-challenged LSU) more deserving of the 4th seed than one-loss Power-5 conference champs tOSU and Oklahoma. And the Heisman was Tua's to lose - despite having meager stats relative to Murray and Haskins, and barely playing in the 4th quarter (until Georgia), when Murray and Haskins shined - which he did with his horrible performance in the SEC championship. This last week, I've found myself avoiding ESPN's website and channels - even when there are good NBA or NCAA basketball games on. Hopefully, enough people will do this such that ESPN is forced to scale back to become a baby seal rather than the elephant in the room.

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Buckeye-Bliggidy's picture

This is strikingly similar to when Derrick Henry won the Heisman, when Zeke was clearly much more advanced and rounded.

Now look at the two in the NFL.

Clear as day...

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Silver_Bullet's picture

Agreed, but rushing stats are similar per carry.  From a total player aspect; blocking, receiving and rushing, it's Zeke all day long.

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JSH0717's picture

Great article! As a fan I also cry foul because two seasons ago we all had Jabrill Freaking Peppers shoved down our throats as an amazing Heisman worthy candidate, he was not.  Yet the young man who broke long standing records gets just under 5 minutes of the segment and was largely ignored? For what? It's infuriating, ESPN in general has been infuriating for over a decade now.
 

GO BUCKS!

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

There was no problem with who won. Each school promoted their candidate...except for OSU. They waited way to long to get on board. The promotion media dept needs to look at themselves and ask why they waited. It cost this youn man a real chance.

The truth hurts...CoNgraT Mr Haskins 

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

There was no problem with who won. Each school promoted their candidate...except for OSU. They waited way to long to get on board. The promotion media dept needs to look at themselves and ask why they waited. It cost this youn man a real chance.

The truth hurts...CoNgraT Mr Haskins 

Nikki emmerson

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

There was no problem with who won. Each school promoted their candidate...except for OSU. They waited way to long to get on board. The promotion media dept needs to look at themselves and ask why they waited. It cost this youn man a real chance.

The truth hurts...CoNgraT Mr Haskins 

Nikki emmerson

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CowCat's picture

The Heisman is a popularity contest. It's hard to be popular when practically nobody is giving you positive gossip.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Timbucktoo's picture

In defense of tOSU's lack of promotion of Haskins' Heisman candidacy, it was all-hands-on-deck to respond to the Zach Smith fiasco; and, since the story first broke, no news was good news. Therefore, my guess would be tOSU sports administration took a low-key approach to most of its affairs, including any Haskins campaign, fair or not.

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SilverHaven's picture

Unfair?  Or illogical? 
What better way to take the focus away from the off-field drama, by promoting on-field performance.

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Timbucktoo's picture

Can't argue against your point.

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Buck68's picture

better 1 instance of 'respect' given in H&I by one who strives for same...

than... all the usual-lies of 'so respecting'... 'by all means necessary'.

Buck68

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Homey1970's picture

The SJWs will be calling for a do-over since Murray’s ‘homophobic’ tweets have somehow just now surfaced.

https://nypost.com/2018/12/09/kyler-murrays-homophobic-tweets-emerge-after-winning-heisman/

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Crumb's picture

Chic Harley > John Heisman

2018 Chic Harley Award Winner: Dwayne Haskins

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

His NFL highlights are going to be much longer than 5.5min. Move on! 

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OSU56's picture

ESPN's agenda does NOT include Ohio State on games,players and season successes-they will only "use" Ohio State when their agenda is to discredit the program. 

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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bwherbert's picture

ESPN trying to say they're not anti-B1G is a lot like Fox News and CNN claiming they have fair and unbiased reporting. I really wish OSU could get a clean break from that joke of a network.

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LeRegiment's picture

Haskins paid for the pre season drama - the university didn’t want the attention so failed to get the propaganda machine behind Dwayne until it was too late.  Shame on Drake and his BS leadership.  Nobody beats Dwayne if OSU PR gets behind him.

Criminal....

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Toilrt Paper's picture

He can return for another year and gain MUCH more attention. 

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

A yearly tradition I greatly look forward to every fall is a cup of coffee and college game day. Not next year. Fuck them. ESPN is slowly killing college football.

Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

The only thing worse than this obsession we have with feeling slighted by ESPN is my inability to stop being bothered by how bothered you all are.

Thus, when I say for the millionth time, “get over it,” I tell myself the same thing.

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Buxki84's picture

The DJ got more airtime than Haskins.

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curiousrash's picture

Not surprised by the outcome. The media is full of #25 ranking Jonny Millers, or at least 40 percent of it is. 

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aledyard's picture

I don't dispute that Haskins is a great QB, but I think there were multiple story lines surrounding OSU this season that likely impacted his chances of winning the Heisman.  Claiming that Haskins' Heisman snub is "disrespectful" I think is a bit petty.

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AllAboutBuckeyes's picture

The article written by Johnny Ginter was superb!  He does what many writers fail to do in pinning an opinion, and that is to back it up with facts and stats.  He should submit his article to the AP and Fox Sports titled, “How The Heisman Selection Committee Fumbled The Ball.”  He might also cc ESPN and the bowl selection committee, just maybe they would see the negative parallels in the two processes.

buckeyestrong

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