It would cause major shake ups in D1. Other dominoes would have to fall. ADs would be scrambling like Taco Bell line cooks.
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It would be the end of the big12 as a conference and there is still the "tech" problem that Gordon Gee spoke of. Also love sticking it to Notre Dame.
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Dissolve the B1G 12. 4 real conferences. 4 champions. 4 team playoff. Enjoy the long trips to the ACC Notre Dame.
So which teams in the West get switched to the east?
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
I'm in favor of keeping Purdue in the west.
It says in there we would do away with divisions. Likely each team would have 3 protected rivalries.
How on Earth would that work with 16 teams and 9 conference games?
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Each team would play 6 conference games that rotate between 12 opponents, essentially playing each team twice every four years. Their other 3 opponents would be annual games. So for example, Ohio State might be locked to play UM, PSU, and Illinois (bring back the Illibuck).
Then year 1, we might play Maryland, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Indiana, Iowa, and Texas. Year 2, we would then play Rutgers, Minnesota, Purdue, Michigan State, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. Both years, we would play UM, PSU, and Illinois.
I think it would actually work better than any other system for scheduling with 16 teams. The Big Ten could also do rotating protected games like they do now, so maybe for four years OSU plays Nebraska every year (like they are now) and then that game rotates to a 4 year annual tilt with Texas.
Yeah but then when you have 6 teams tied for the conference championship how do you determine a winner when a majority of those teams haven't played each other?
It would be determined the same way that the current divisions are determined when there is a 3 way tie between teams. Generally, it is the highest rated team in CFP Rankings.
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Easy. The Buckeyes are in, and then someone else not named Michigan.
Someone said at one point, we would probably go to 4 pods of 4teams. This would mimic a little bit what they do in the NFL. Three games against the other teams in your pod. Four games against another pod. I’m not sure how the rest of the schedule works out, but in the end you have four champions and a BIG football tournament to crown the winner. This would make piles of cash. I’m not entirely sure that I like it, but that’s probably what happens.
Lmao this will never happen. 247 looking for some clicks
Oklahoma has wanted in for a long time. There is a reason B1G signed such a short TV deal while sitting in a cable bubble. They knew what they would be getting soon.
Okay Keith I got it.
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Yea, I remember reading a few years ago during the last conference shake-up that Oklahoma state legislators would never let Okie and Okie State be separated.
Not true. David Boren, the President of OU for over 20 years but not retired, commented that the legislature should make it a requirement to stay together. The legislature took no action. The two universities were in different conferences for about 35 years in the past.
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Typo correction. David Boren is now retired.
I don't see this happening. You may not know this but Tom Herman founded Mensa - he is too smart to sign up to play regularly against a a team that consistently beats him like Maryland does.
Hey now, Maryland-Texas is going to become the rivalry that makes Ohio State-Michigan look like Ohio State-Illinois, the Ten Year War where Herman somehow manages to lose to 11 different Maryland head coaches in only 10 games.
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Put Oklahoma in pen joining the B1G. Texas or Kansas would be the other team. Honestly don't know who I would rather have. Texas fans could make Michigan and Penn State fans look great.
Nothing against Kansas, but the B1G is a football conference who uses basketball to kill time until spring football.
I agree but if we stay at a 4 team playoff all of a sudden Texas Oklahoma Ohio State Penn State Michigan Michigan State Wisconsin and Nebraska would all be competing for one spot. That doesn't sound like much fun and going to Power 4 means it would just be one team from each conference
First of all - Nebraska?
Secondly, I think the CFP would take into account the size of the conference. And bear in mind the B1G still only had one representative if that happened.
Don't we do that right now? In theory? I mean in the current set up, out of more than 100 teams only 4 survive the Season Long Playoff to make it to the playoff. Sounds like great fun! Games are meaningful all season wrong except for East Popcorn State at Alabama in November.
Uh I would say the B1G takes basketball very seriosuly
Tis the Season (for rumors that is). College Football is full of them-- what coaches are on the move, which players are not coming back, not playing in a bowl game, and what about those recruits. Pass the popcorn balls and eggnog.
I remember reading about a lot of Big 12 schools who were upset about the Longhorn Network. Oklahoma being the biggest one and they talked about joining the Pac 12. Houston tried to gain interest in the Big 12 and was shrugged off and that was when Herman was there. The Pac 12 showed interest in Houston shortly after that and they had some of the University of Houston big wigs in for a visit. The Pac 12 wants a foot print in Texas so I think this move by the B1G is something to think about.
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Besides Houston, Cincinnati, BYU, and several Florida universities were very interested in joining the Big XII.
It hasn't been posted here but somebody from yahoo Inthink has destroyed the PAC12 recently over how poorly the conference is ran, how far behind and insulated recruiting is on the west coast. And people on the west coast literally don't care about college football. Any interest these schools have had in the PAC12 no longer exists. If Oklahoma comes, which they will, Texas will either come as well or go independent
Take Oklahoma and W Virginia and call it a day. WVU playing in the big 12 doesn't make sense geographically anyway
Or take WVa and Iowa State. Screw OU and Texas.
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I’d rather have the good teams. How about WV and OK?
Be fun watching them learn to play defense
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We already have Iowa. Don't need Iowa State.
The B1G network is already in Iowa. The want new viewers
That's the thing people generally forget about when expansion talks start up. It's mainly based on viewership. We won't take a new team from the same state. Iowa State will never happen because we have Iowa. Pitt won't happen because we have PSU. The only reason ND would work is because their viewership is so large that it doesn't matter where they are. And that is the big reason Texas always comes up. That's a huge state with huge cities and huge numbers of people who will all be paying into the B1G network. Unlike West Virginia. Small state, small cities, probably half the state don't even get satellite signal.
Half of West Virginia still has to drive two hours for fresh potable water. Let that sink in. See what I did there?
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Texas is a cancer. I wouldn't want them anywhere near the B1G.
Don Brown must've attended night school, because he got owned by Day.
I've never been a fan of expansion, but if the B12 is going down anyway, we might as well pluck the jewels from the safe before someone else does. It may be true that Texas fans are Michigan fans with a twang, but Texas is the crown jewel of the B12. Oklahoma, not so much.
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Sooners have twice as many titles as the Longhorns
Texas is a lot better school, and a better addition overall.
A better addition? Yeah right. Ask Nebraska, Colorado, A&M, Missouri, TCU, Texas Tech, OU, Oklahoma State, KU, KState, Iowa State for their opinion.
Texas is far and away the powerful school in the Big 12. All of those schools you mentioned don't come close to them. If, and that's a mighty big if Texas were to join the B1G, they would. be sitting at the table with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin. Those schools will just laugh if Texas tries to bully them around.
Central Florida and South Florida should of been in the B1G, time yesterday
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Agree. Good teams and a big recruiting foothold in Florida.
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Sunny - Not to mention I think Central Florida is the size of Ohio State, student enrollment wise. I think “superconferences” are how this things going to end up, get ahead of the curve. Add UCF/USF to the East, OU/Texas to the West, and you have the SEC surrounded on all sides by the B1G.
Central Florida and Houston get you footprints in two huge states with no buy outs.
Our recruiting would be nuts. Help the teams you HAVE Delany.
Id be a fan of this. Still think ND FOOTBALL should join the B1G or ACC.
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Highly doubtful but it would essentially kill the B12. They'd collapse into the PAC I'd imagine.
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So then do the conference champ. games become quasi-quarterfinals? Or does the CFP still take however many SEC teams they need to get a buzz every year?
Everyone knows the CFP is bs
A true playoff would've been Bama, Georgia, LSU, and Florida. They really need to be picking the best teams to play in this tournament like they say. It pisses me off that they just make up criteria like "most deserving" as they go. They really should expand this to 8 teams to give teams that should be in a shot at winning it all. Kentucky, Texas A&M, Miss St, and Missouri are more than good enough to compete for the title, and an 8-team playoff with those teams would truly tell us who the best team in college football is. C'mon CFP, get yourself together.
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I agree. Pretenders like Ohio State and Oklahoma could never run with the likes of Vanderbilt or Missouri. That is why they keep ducking them in their OOC schedules.
Why not use the English Premiership as an example. We would have a premier league, which would consist of the SEC West and SEC East. The champ automatically would be the CFB champion. Then we would have a second league with all other conferences. Problem solved!
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Big XII may collapse into the Pac12, SEC, ACC, and B1G. Four teams to Pac and two each to the other three.
i like it...but we'd have to get rid of Rutgers and Maryland.
There was a lot of talk about this like 4 years ago or so. Back when all the shake ups were happening and Nebraska joined the B1G, Mizzou and Texas A&M went to the SEC. If it did happen then the Big 12 would quickly go the way of the Big East. People were talking about "super conferences" where there would only be 4 major conferences of 16+ teams. It ended up dying off and not happening. Having 5 main conferences doesn't make much sense when you have a 4 team play off but even if you only had 4 main conferences the committee doesn't really give enough weight to conference championships so it doesn't matter. Also, from an academic standpoint, UT could definitely fit in with the B1G but OU wouldn't. If they did decide to leave the Big 12 together they would probably end up in the SEC or Pac 12 because the B1G would be too stuck up to take OU and OU would probably want their little bro OkSU to come along with them and the B1G definitely would not have any of that. The SEC or Pac 12 would play along though.
With 4 super conferences, each requiring 9 conference games, and each playing OOC games the same weeks, and each committing to 4 year scholarships, then conf champs would be more similar and the CFP should just be the 4 conf champs—period.
Plus, ND would be forced to join the ACC as a full time member...none of this part time bs.
I totally agree that 4 super conferences with the playoff being the 4 conference champs (and ND being forced to actually join a conference). I just don't think it's realistic with the political landscape of college football today. Idealistically, yeah, that's what I think should happen but realistically I don't think it will.
I also don't think it makes sense to have all these non-"power 5" conferences in the same division as us. I mean UCF proves it. Even if a non-power-5 team goes undefeated and wins their conference they have almost no chance of playing for title barring extreme circumstances. The power conferences should be their own division at this point and the non-power-5 conferences should break off and be their own division. It's not fair that they have to compete with schools that have 100 times more resources, fans, etc.... but that's my idealistic side speaking. That would probably be too much of a shake up for it to happen in today's world.
The B1G should have taken Mizzou and TAMU
I'm not a fan of the B1G expanding again. Fourteen teams is enough. Any more than that is way too many. The only team I'd love to see join the B1G, so that we can beat them up on a yearly basis, is Notre Dame, and in the process, kick out Rutgers from the conference. But geographically speaking, they're so far down south; I just can't imagine them joining at all, too far from the rest of the B1G teams.
Me neither. There'd be some sweet games. But it's hard to think of a better way of bashing your future playoff hopes than adding two top-10 teams to an already tough conference. Heck, might as well make it a 10-game conference schedule while you're at it.
Not sure why the SEC would care much about this. Every media outlet and the Committee will continue to inflate every one of their teams. While additional losses in the B1G will push our best teams down the rankings.
Unless the B1G relaxes the AAU requirement, the only candidates are Texas, ISU, and Kansas. Not positive about ISU without checking.
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Nebraska is no longer AAU, so that may not be much of a hindrance.
ISU is a member. Nebraska is not, so that may lead the way for Oklahoma to get inclusion in the Big Ten. I dont see how you can keep Oklahoma out if Nebraska is not in. It would be awesome if these 2 schools would be invited, so we can get to a 64 team super football setup, 4, 16 team conferences so there is no more of this eyeball crap. Have it all play out on the field, like every other football organization on the planet. After checking, Oklahoma is ranked higher than Nebraska in the Forbes rankings for Colleges too. https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#tab:rank
To be fair, Nebraska was an AAU school when they received an invitation and officially joined. They had a rather unpleasant university president that went before the AAU and convinced them to drop Agricultural Research as valid contributions.
That’s Nebraska’s bread and butter and it led to that president’s ousting iirc. Syracuse actually dropped out immediately after in criticism of the AAU Board’s standards I believe.
OU probably gets a golden pass for their program value, but it would make NU & OU the "lowest" academic rated schools in the B1G.
Nebraska was a member for nearly a century. Back then, agricultural research was the most important thing. Now it holds the least importance for the AAU. What also killed them is not being able to use research at their medical center at their Omaha campus since it wasn't located in Lincoln.
I'm pretty sure Nebraska's own president didn't convince the AAU to drop agricultural research as valid contributions. He would have been fired that day.
Perlman did the exact opposite, he tried to push the importance of Ag research and talked about how Nebraska had been among the highest gainers in Fed research grants.
What really hurt things was the tone he took in his speech. He was very aggressive towards his peers going full fire and brimstone.
I know for a fact that his behavior at the meeting directly influenced one University President to vote against Nebraska.
Back when Nebraska was added to the conference during the last bout of conference-expansion; the Big Ten was in talks with Texas and Texas AM and Oklahoma, about them joining the Big Ten with Nebraska, and I think Kansas. If I recall at the time it fell apart because state officials in Texas refused to okay the move unless Texas Tech was included; and the Big Ten refused to bring Tech into the fold for a combination of bad TV rights and bad academics (having already agreed to allow Oklahoma whom they viewed as bad on both of those fronts but good on the program-tradition front). Pretty sure they actually got a lot of this info from a FoIA request of Gordon Gee's e-mails (he was in direct contact with the Texas University President or whatever they have).
Dissolve the Big 12?
Texas and OU - to - B1G
WVU - to - ACC
TxTech, Baylor - to - Pac12
TCU - to - AAC
KSU and ISU - to - MAC
Ok St to SEC
Kansas to ???
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This is just poo tossed at the wall from Greg Flugaur. He Minnesota's version of 'TheDude' (WV realignment rumormonger). Take anything he says with a metric tonne of salt.
Notre Dame are cowards that hide behind the 1940’s and NBC Sports while leeching from the ACC in their other athletic teams.
Let Texas follow suit if they cherish their "elite" television network and branding so much.
If this happened and the Big 12 broke up, at least there would be 4 conferences for 4 playoff spots. Probably the best chance for this playoff system to survive long-term.
If the Big Ten isn’t trying this, they are dumb. Adding Texas to the conference is a win on all fronts, and Oklahoma adds significant football value. I’d keep divisions, personally. The west plus UT and Oklahoma minus Purdue (2018 massacre aside) is really pretty balanced. I don’t like the idea of how to tiebreak 3 teams at 8-1 who haven’t played each other.
Geographically it would make more sense to add WVU and one of the Kansas teams. Strategically OU, Texas, and some Florida schools would establish major recruiting strongholds. Texas and OU would also cause a Nebraska revival as they could start recruiting Texas again.
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There would be, in essence, four power conferences which helps the college football playoff system
The B1G should have added Missouri and Kansas years ago. They kind of f'd up by letting Missouri go to the SEC. Both teams are AAU and they both touch Oklahoma on the map
As simple as it sounds of just taking Texas and OU from the Big 12 and putting them in the B1G would cause a massive ripple effect throughout all of the country. As much as I would love to have the tradition and excellence both Texas and Oklahoma would bring to the table I just don't see it happening but I would welcome them with open arms! PS, we will trade you Rutgers and Indiana in return
Any expansion in the B1G is going to be about revenue and strategic footprint. The school needs to be a larger school with a large alumni base in a major metropolitan location. This is why Maryland and Rutgers were added - major east coast markets (Baltimore, NY/NJ, DC) suddenly got opened up with their inclusion.
Using this criteria, Texas qualifies due to program size, market size, and location. Oklahoma doesn't.
There was talk previously about Ga. Tech. for both academic and geographic locations (i.e. the Atlanta market), but they would have to be poached from the ACC.
If Notre Dame would get their sh!t together, then they could be included as they fit in terms of alumni viewership, tradition, and location, plus they have local established rivalries.
Personally, I'd take Texas and ND and call it a day.
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Oklahoma is a huge television draw in the state of Texas.
I'd be ok with Oklahoma, but I don't think the B1G should expand much farther southward, also I don't know if they'll want the balance of power to get so crazy when you add a powerhouse like Texas.
Kansas makes a lot of sense because of how great an addition they would be to the basketball side of things.
Kansas State would be a team to average out the weight of Oklahoma (adding one powerhouse and one middle of the road program).
Texas and OU at the same time would be pretty insane.
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Kansas was near the top of the polls and BCS rankings when Mark Mangino was the head coach. And Les Miles is coming in now.
People are forgetting the last round of expansion, when big brother (Oklahoma) was told by his parents (OK state government) that he had to stay with little brother (OK St) even if he & his buddy (TX) wanted to chase hot chicks (Big Ten).
Never happened. That was the talk of David Boren who was OU President at the time. He appealed to the legislature to keep the two together but nothing came of it and Boren is now retired.
Obviously, we'd protect The Game. I wouldn't be a fan of protecting the game with PSU. Doesn't make sense for us to have 2 of the top 4 teams in the B1G guaranteed on our schedule every year. Give me scUM, IU and ILL and I'm good.
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Jesus Christ. You were the Rose Bowl over Playoffs type weren’t you? Fuck Illinois and Indiana. Give us Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Northwestern, Purdue, and Indiana/Minnesota every year.
that's a great way to lose and get shut out of the CFP altogether.
Participation trophy counts as criteria for playoff inclusion. LOL.
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If by some SMALL chance the conferences combine, they should have and promote the last game as Rivalry week big time. Maryland-Rutgers, W. Virginia-PSU, Iowa-ISU, KU-KU St- Texas-Baylor, TTU-TCU, OSU-UM, NW-MSU, Indiana-Purdue, Wisconsin-Minnesota, IU-Nebraska, OK-OK ST.
This is such an awful, awful idea. I hope it's 100% baseless clickbait.
I’m out in adding OU and Texas. So now we have to deal with Penn St. Mich St. Mich. Okla. Texas. And maybe Nebraska. Nope. See ya later. I’m not saying I want an easy road I’m saying that to consistently play those teams all year and get to the conference Championship or the playoff I’d be really interested to see how banged up we are
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Well, you'd be the best conference by a country mile and your champ would probably be the best team in the country. SEC star would be diminished.
I completely agree. But what makes bama so good is by the end of the year they are fresh and only play one to two games that are physically demanding.
Add OU and Texas.
Send Maryland and Rutgers the ACC.
Send Minnesota and Iowa (or NW) to the B12.
Now we have a viable 12 team conference. No divisions, just identify 1 rival per team that is played every year. Or hell, pick 3 or 4 per team. then rotate everyone else. It's too good to happen.
If we're going the way of super conferences, the Big 12 is the weakest of the power 5 so they will be poached and if they do, might as well grab the two biggest names. If this happens, I think they'd have to eliminate divisions, but have pods of protected games that are played every year. If they did pods of 4, then they could set it up where you play the other 3 games and plus two teams from each of the other 3 pods to complete a 9 game schedule. This way even with 16 teams you'd still play your protected games annually and everyone else in the conference twice every 4 years. And with divisions eliminated, the teams with the best records play for the B1G title.
If there’s any truth to the article, I see it hinting at conference semifinals and a championship after that. That would be revolutionary and would shake up college football quite a bit. You’d be hands down the most powerful conference in terms of competition and finances.
The B1G TV deal was short so that it would end around the time that the Big 12 deal ended so they could potentially take some schools, if I recall. Not sure if anything will happen but it is intriguing.
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Do they pass the academic requirements for Big Ten Schools?. The reason for logical choices of Pittsburgh and Iowa State not becoming Big Ten schools.
If Texas then why not USC?
Texas is a better school than Ohio State.
Pitt isn't a member because of overlap with PSU. It's an AAU member and is well within the academic average of B1G schools.
If we're looking for quality, I say add them and drop some of the dead weight we have in the conference.
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03-26-2018, 10:55 AM
Whomever it is or will be.... Just get us the fk out of this clown car vagina conference.
Get rid of Rutgers and Maryland.
Take 8 teams, go to 20, and have four divisions with 5 teams each. Play 8 conference games, one semifinal and one championship.
WVU, Texas, OU, OSU, ISU, KSU, Kansas (for bball), TCU. Tech and Baylor can go to SEC, Pac12, or AAC, who cares.
Become a juggernaut with a near nationwide reach. Screw the SEC, and ESPN.
My friend who is an Oklahoma fan says that they have an invite to the SEC while Texas does not.
A&M would be lobbying hard to keep Texas out of the SEC, since they caused the SWC and Big XII to collapse the first time.
Have to imagine Nebraska and Oklahoma would be lobbying just as hard to keep Texas out of the B1G for similar reasons.