Skull Session: Urban Meyer Loves Winning Above All, Jim Tressel is Proud of His Heir, and Ohio State Dishes Out Money For Assistants

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Glad to see Tressel throwing positive vibes towards Meyer. A lesser man would be bitter, but we all know the vest is a man of honor 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Buctor's picture

They also share that loyalty gene too.  Two incredible men.

Going to repeat a story from about eight years  ago.  In the middle of the end for Coach Tressel, when things were at their worst for his career, he took time to call a dying Buckeye.  My nieghbor had been battling cancer for many years and was about to die.  IIRC, he had walked on and played four years for Woody or more accurately was on the team four years.  Anyway Coach called him and thanked him for his time as a Buckeye and apparently gave him a pep talk.  The man was said to be grinning the rest of his last few days.  What kind of man is thinking of others during times like that?  A man that does care about others, a man that's loyal all the time, even the rough times.  You've just got to admire that!!!

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Seeing Tressel and Cooper’s name in the same sentence [just] made me cringe. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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ToTheHouse's picture

"Tressel and John Cooper are the only..."

Here's to seeing the Day, Coach Ryan's name is beside the Vest's & Erbz !

"...the Basketbucks are off for nearly a week."

They weren't exactly on in the first half last night but they got on in the second, check Coach Holtmann & crew and the bogus preseason prediction #8 in the B1G !

They're going to take a few lumps of losses, but if they don't make the Big Dance...this season's experience is priceless. It's gonna be sick Coach Holt has one of the top 10 classes in the nation coming in next year !

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Buck298's picture

Can't you just imagine Jim, Ellen, Urban and Shelley sitting in an Applebee's in Youngstown just shooting the breeze? Half of Ohio would want to be in the next booth listening in. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Dude. I’m there. As long as there’s no onions on my bourbon steak. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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HARDDRIVE's picture

I heard Applebee's has rats.

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Not_Sure's picture

Yep, it’s on page 5 of the menu. Comes with fries and coleslaw. 

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Biomolecular Buckeye's picture

^^This.  Logged in just to upvote. Cheers!

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BuckZealot's picture

Fide Brett McMurphy

Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

The vid of our Man Tressel. Little disappointed in his attire here, but I can overlook it, YSU Prez now and all, and so forth...

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/tressel-proud-of-meyer-s-success-he-took-it-to-the-next-level-/1639831475

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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Doc's picture

Tressel is the GOAT!  He is class to the core.  The quote above was pure Tress, he even threw in an "and so forth".

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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Scarlet's picture

Wow, Coach Tress lookin' very dapper. He seems healthy and relaxed. So glad he landed in a good place. Thanks for sharing the video.

 

 

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DefendYoungstown's picture

But the colors of his outfit...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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LoufromOSU's picture

He owned the state, so he can wear whatever colors he wants...

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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DefendYoungstown's picture

That's a good point...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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Crumb's picture

I'm sure we could hook you up with an internship here.

There goes my hopes of becoming a staffer at Eleven Warriors! 

16-1. Wow. Thank you Urban and Tress. May God bless those awesome guys!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The Hurry Up slot is open. I’m sure Urban could unearth a recruiting nugget for us now and again.

 “Leadership Lessons in Insurgent Warfare & Football Strategy.”

Great name for a class. Sounds like something Woody would’ve taught. But I could also see Leach teaching something like “Yo Ho Ho: How to Prevent Enemy Warships from Plundering and Pillaging College Football’s Most Isolated Outposts, Tales Dead Men Can Tell, and Tricks for Converting Doubloons into Bitcoin in a Global Economy.”

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Woody’s class would have been called Leadership Lessons on Crushing Insurgencies and Football Strategy. 

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Daniel's picture

Having Urban do the Hurry Up would be amazing.  Jason needs to try and get him to write a weekly article.

Va Buck

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Wargor's picture

Yeah, and they'll probably claim it was a targeted hire!

Just no love for talentless hacks trying to compete with Urban Meyer.  Ask Jimmy H, he knows.

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Crumb's picture

I myself will admit I'm a two-bit writer, but comparing me to Harbaugh. You've gone too far, sir!

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Wondering how long it will take PETA to set up a demonstration around that vending machine?

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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denniscolumbus's picture

Oooh, bacon and pita! Sorry, that’s where my brain went. 

Class of 2001 - classless since then.

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Major H's picture

I wonder who will be the first to set up a table next to the machine with a sign, "Will do homework for BACON!"

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

This dog yelling "Bacon!" is going to be in my head all day long.

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

Whenever they decide to take the flower by the thorns is my guess.

TeamGB

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cronimi's picture

Maybe they will feed two birds with one scone and protest the entire Animal Sciences department. That way they'll really bring home the bagels. 

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avail31678's picture

STOP - you're all just feeding a fed horse!

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MichiBuck12's picture

Well if those students still need to do some research I suppose I could be the test tube.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Don’t let Bert know about that Bacon vending machine.

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avail31678's picture

Umm...Brady Hoke just got fired, if news of this bacon machine gets out, he'll try to get on OSU's staff!

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RK84's picture

Man Fuck PETA and their pansy outlook on life.  

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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RK84's picture

Awww did I hurt some of your little feelings ? :(

Don't mind me I'll just be over eating all the steaks and bacon I can.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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wolfy2014's picture

I mean, it seems like someone hurt your "little feelings"

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RK84's picture

You're cute keep it up.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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BucksLover0214's picture

still one of my favorite tv scenes of all time

They hate us cuz they aint us!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I mean everyone is entitled to an opinion but if you are vegetarian aren’t you still eating something that used to be alive?

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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RK84's picture

This is not going to plan, damn it.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

You forget that most of here agree with meat consumption. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Bacon is a fabulous food.

If some do not wish to eat any, then that leaves more for me.  I don't even care if non-consumers of bacon give me downvotes.  As long as I get more bacon.

Have you ever tried cooking bacon in the oven instead of a frying pan?  Or coating bacon with brown sugar?  I could go on and on...

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buckeyenut74's picture

Let me tell you something. I freaking lived through the painful 90’s. For the posters that weren’t alive for that, it was unbearable as a fan. The other day I posted a lot out of emotion when talking about Day, I have since backed off the ledge. All those postings were concerns steaming from the 90’s. Tress and Meyer changed that. Just think of this. Cooper was 2-10-1 against that team, Tress and Meyer 16-1. Tress and Meyer will forever make me always cherish their years here. Then to hear Meyer say he will miss winning the most....All that combined just makes me so proud to be a Buckeye....those two guys got it. That TTUN record from those two, I’m speechless. 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

And to think that the only reason Cooper was hired was because he beat Michigan in the 1987 Rose Bowl...

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Barry Alvarez hired Gary Andersen because Utah State almost beat Wisconsin. There was some noise about OSU needing to hire Tim Beckman after Toledo played us close in 2011. And Iowa State might’ve hired Matt Campbell anyway but it couldn’t have hurt his chances after the Rockets beat the Cyclones in two overtimes in his last season at Toledo.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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mr.green's picture

I hear ya. And i often wonder what would have happened if The Game in1988 went the other way. Would Cooper have had some of that mojo? 

Being nervous for those of us who were there is natural. But i am confident that this PROGRAM is pointed in the right direction and i know this was a great hire. Go Bucks. 

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cronimi's picture

I lived through the same period (Class of '93). It was brutal, disheartening, sad. The 21st Century has been a remarkable time to be a Buckeye fan, and it almost makes up for the annual soul-crushing loss to TTUN that we experienced in our younger years. 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I attended every single one of The Games under Cooper so I am VERY painfully aware of how awful it was.  Ann Arbor, that whore, is ever more of a cesspool when you're sitting there watching a superior team lose again.  GOD the fans were arrogant insufferable pricks for which I had no ability to defend because, well, 2-10-1!  I love Earle Bruce, but he was a constant 8/4 9/3 coach that always managed to gag against Indiana or Wisconsin... expectations were always low! 

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Buctor's picture

Am very interested in Coach Meyer's next step.  Hopefully they've worked out his medical treatment plan and that goes infinitely, infinitely wel!  Then after some recovery time, his new position at TOSU is announced!   Whether that is in the cards or not, hope he enjoys a more relaxed life, he and his family have earned that!!

Or maybe he will go into real estate, it's frequently a career choice for folks that retire young I'm told.  You would think he would enjoy that.  Especially since he has owned such a large portion of that state to the north!!!  Maybe that is why President Tressel wants to speak with him.  He too may want to unload his portion of this land .

Heard it first right here!!!  M & T Land Sales.

Gosh, maybe they could get cute and call it Empty Land Inc.  

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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buckeyedude's picture

I hope UFM becomes Ohio State Athletic Director, at some point. He'd be a great ambassador for the sports program, IMHO.  

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

At the very least, give him an office at the university as TTUN did for some of their former coaches.

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Wargor's picture

Yeah, but weren't there tensions around Carr and his opinions regarding subsequent coaches?

I'm not saying Meyer would definitely do that or anything, but if Meyer is around the first few years it could be a problem.  Not everyone can handle that perfectly, whether it is Meyer, Day, or anyone else there.

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LoufromOSU's picture

You mean like Tressel did for Cooper and Bruce?   I am sure Day will do that. 

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Zing

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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BrutusB's picture

He's simply not remotely qualified to be AD.  He's good at coaching football.  His media interviewing skills are poor and his past hiring / evaluation of assistants is what we can charitably call "mixed". 

And yes, I've heard of Barry Alvarez.  But Phil Fulmer, Dave Brandon, and Lynn Swann are what you get when you hire someone with no experience most of the time.

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Dillon G's picture

Laurenitis also mentioned the combined run of the 2 coaches. It is the best stretch of dominance in school history. There was some continuity, even with the interim season where there was nobody playing.

2 National Championships (games they will get smoked in narrative), countless Big Ten Championships, and 16-1.

#walkaway

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Hartline making almost half a million dollars less than Zach Smith is borderline criminal.

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brutus0717's picture

My guess/hope is that part of the reduction in HC expenses will go to the new, PERMANENT, WR coach.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Hartline will get his. After all, when the D staff [- LJ of course] gets cleared out, there’ll be plenty of $. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Hartline will get his. I’m just hoping it’s at Ohio State. He is clearly a rising star and other schools are going to take notice, if they haven’t already. We finally saw what Zone 6 was capable of once we had a WR coach who was worthy of all that talent and knew what he could do with it.

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Wargor's picture

Not to discredit Hartline, but it helps having a gunslinger at QB.  ;)

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wjpalumbo's picture

^THIS! It really helps when the qb throwing the ball is a 1st round NFL talent and the offensive line is giving him time to throw. Remember also that Smith recruited all of these guys.

 

 

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Brutus's picture

Remember also that Smith recruited all of these guys.

I'd prefer to remember nothing about Smith at all. 

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buckeyepastor's picture

True, but the gunslinger has nothing to do with Victor finally learning to block and be physical.  It’s nothing to do with how the unit handled themselves without the ball.  And Olave being ready to break through when Mack was injured?  Think it’s coincidence that a guy without a lot of Zach Smith’s influence in him was the one reserve guy that stepped up when needed?  Because I don’t.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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BucksHave7's picture

Hartline is 31y/o with $10M in the bank.  He's not doing this job for the $. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

I think we all know he doesn’t need the money. I was trying to say he’ll be rewarded for his efforts. Realize we had some great young men in his position group already, but I’d say he helped make that the best group on the team. He deserves a “real” shot. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

My comment was more focused on how much incompetent Z Smith was making, not so much on how little Hartline is making.  That said, I’m sure Hartline will meet and exceed Smith’s salary shortly.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

There’s an old saying that if you have a job you love, you’ll never work a day in your life. And there are those who say they love what they do so much, they’d do it for free. But the world doesn’t work that way. Compensation based on performance and commensurate with your peers is the gold standard. Did Urban Meyer need to be paid $7 million a year to live comfortably? Of course not. Same with Hartline: it’s not about what he has in the bank from playing in the NFL, it’s about what he’s worth in the open market for what he does today. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Wargor's picture

Yes and no.  I get your point, but he'd likely take a serious lifestyle hit if he retired and just lived off the interest from that $10M.  Of course he could do it and not go hungry, but like any normal human he's likely developed a taste for the finer things and has seen what bigger $'s than he already has can bring.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Even if he only invested half of that $10M in some realatively low-risk mutual funds making 5%, he'd be making $250k a year.

A 1% savings account on $10M is making $100k per year. That's probably not a significant lifestyle hit for a man who was wise enough to sock away that much money.

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Wargor's picture

He made 18.6M in the NFL, so not counting investment income over the last 9 years (unrealistic) he 'spent' almost 1 million per year over the last 9 years.  Yes taxes (somewhat offset by investment income) and yes plenty we obviously don't know about the situation, but I wouldn't be convinced that he could live on $250K (have to factor taxes into this too) with the same spending habits he'd developed over the last 9 years.  I'll certainly grant that he's been prudent with 10M in the bank and that that reflects him not being drunken sailoresque with his money, but I still think that $250K would be a step back from what he's used to and come to expect given his surroundings.  If nothing else, doesn't his current situation predict $500K plus for the next several years, even if he doesn't work out as a college position coach?  Hard for me to not consider that it would be a step back when his (somewhat) fixed income is half his near term expected income.  

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brutus0717's picture

The greats are often motivated more by the hatred of losing than the love of winning. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that were the case with Urban (or Saban, for that matter). I'm sure Day has his motivation as well, and I'm looking forward to seeing the results. My angst for the future revolves around the assistants, who stays and who goes. There's only one in particular that you could find an obvious upgrade for. I think Day needs some continuity and retaining the rest might not be a bad idea. With some experience, the Buckeye D could be a whole lot better in 2019.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Maybe work out a plan to adjust his compensation based on the number of games and injuries it took for him to find a starting safety?

This take really disappoints me.  I expect more from 11W.  Finding players with the fooball talent to play here is the first battle and that's 100% on the staff.  But all the intangibles that it takes to actually earn playing time is NOT 100% on the coaches.  A significant part is the responsibility of the player himself..  Knowing the playbook.  Knowing his off the field resposibilities.  Knowing how to practice. Knowig how to be a teammate/  There are all things that the player needs to do before he earns a spot on the depth chart.  Blaming the coordinator because it takes a significant amout of time before that happens demonstrates a lack of understanding how a college football team (particularly one at this level) operates.

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Here here!!

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Mortc15's picture

Or maybe they just didn’t let a youngster get a shot. It took 2 guys being out for him to get a chance on a Saturday. I get what you’re saying, but I highly doubt WILLIAM WHITE’s son has many school/off the field problems. Just saying. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Nope.  Not how it works.  Coaches don't use a player just to be a dick.  There's a reason.  We just aren't privey to it.  To suggest otherwise demonstrates a lack of understandning how things work on a major college football team.

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Nobody is saying they aren’t using a player to be a dick. We’re questioning their roster evaluation skills and the biases that impact those skills. I don’t think anyone is saying 100% of their starter picks are bad either, just that it appears they miss hard sometimes. Even if White wasn’t ready 4 games prior, based on how poorly Pryor and Wint were playing, they should’ve given him a shot. He couldn’t possibly have been much worse. 

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Mortc15's picture

Thanks for reiterating my point. There was little reason not to give him a shot based on the “EVALUATION” of game day play.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Did I stutter?  There is a shit ton of reasons not to give him a shot.  You NEVER "give a player a shot".  If he can't recognize coverages enough.  If he's not a good teammate (based on Urban's definition/ not yours), if he doesn't take care of business in meetings.  If he doesn't come prepared to meetings.  There are literally hundreds of little details that have to be met IN URBAN'S SYSTEM before a player EARNS a spot in the depth chart.  If you have a problem with that, I don't know what to tell you.  I guess you're happy that Urban is retiring.  I have no idea if Day will be as much of a stickler for this, so we will see.  But blaming a coach you have a hard-on for because you think a player should have played sooner is ignorant.

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Mortc15's picture

Lol. If he didn’t deserve a chance to play why was he EVER put on the field? If he truly didn’t deserve it, it wouldn’t have mattered how many injuries or ejections happened. Why was he even dressed then? You know no more than I do, but based on game day play, there’s no reason not to try SOMEONE else because who was out there was CLEARLY  not getting the job done. Idc who it would’ve been they put in. 

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BbBnD's picture

Obviously not the case because there are other safeties on the roster that he got the nod ahead of. Your point is moot. 

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wjpalumbo's picture

So true! Most of what I saw was linebackers, safeties, and corners not filling gaps or losing contain. I saw numerous times where the linebackers and safeties were either late or ran to the ball instead of keeping gap integrity resulting in a big play. In a high pressure defense, doing your job is critical. This is a player issue more than a coaching issue.

 

 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Lol. My guy, I know how a college football team operates. I know about evaluation, and experience mattering, and having to earn your spot on the depth chart. That's why I thought it was insane that folks were calling for Dwayne Haskins last season over J.T. Barrett.

I'm also not saying it doesn't come down to the players or that they need to earn their spot on the depth chart with practice reps (from talking to folks, that's my understanding of why Brendan White didn't get looks initially) but I think it's insane and an indictment on the coordinator (who evaluates the talent) that the safety play was so horrendous, especially in terms of tackling, and it took an injury and a targeting penalty for the staff to throw in the guy who immediately was one of the better tackling defensive backs on the roster. That's a problem for me. To me, that reflects extremely poorly on the staff, and more specifically, Schiano. That comment was mostly just a quick jab, but the truth is still there.

And honestly, that's not even my biggest qualm with Schiano this season. My biggest issue was him neglecting to adjust his defense to fit his personnel and constantly getting out-schemed by guys like Matt Canada, Scott Frost or Jeff Brohm. Schiano was an elite coordinator the past two seasons and coached two top-5 defenses. He also did an extremely poor job this season and I think it's hilarious and flawed that he gets a half million dollar bonus for that.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Kevin,

my only beef (I guess because I have coached) is that I don't like takes that appear to just "blame the coach."  it feeds too many trolls.  Players at this program FORCE their way into the depth chart.  Too many people on here think its as simple as clicking a name on the roster and moving him into the lineup like its on playstation.  You and I both know its not like that.  I also agreed that it isn't schiano's best year this year.  And, yes the buck as coordinator stops with him; but until a player produces in practice and meeting rooms, he was hamstrung with what he could do.  And that seems to be where you and I disagree.  Schiano's defense is fairly simple.  But changing entire playbooks isn't possible within a season.  

I didn't want to be specific about Brandon, but I had heard the same things.  I won't ever post hearsay on here, particularly about players.  I think it sets a bad precident for an anonymous poster to post things like that.  That's you guys' job to do.  If you report it, that's the kind of inside info that I like from this site.  But, while I might know something to be true, I have no way to prove it and we don't need more character assassination here.  There are too many trolls as it is.

Where you and I disagree, fundamentally is I want to blame the players more.  And as an example, I want to blame Brandon White as one.  HE's been around long enough, that he should have had his shit together more and earned PT sooner.  That could've helped the defense sooner.  The fact that a kid with that talent couldn't beat out Wint is infuriating.  You want to blame the coach for not putting him in.  I want to blame him for not earning the spot sooner. 

Poor angles and over running counter motion are things that I know they addressed in practice every effin day.  But they would revert to bad habits in game.  Is that the coach's fault, or are they just not that good?  That's why I reacted to your take as I did.  I hope that explains it.

Go Bucks.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

That's fair, and I do get that frustration that it's up to the player to prove he can perform in practice. Otherwise, how is the staff to know he can contribute if they don't show them in practice? And I know how much this staff – particularly the outgoing man at the top – values practice performance. If you go back and read what Urban said about Brendon White even after his performance, he didn't name him a starter immediately, but later in the week talked about how good he was in practice that week. That's not a coincidence. They wanted to see him perform and give effort consistently in practice.

I genuinely do agree with you. I think Brendon White shares in the blame for not playing. He might even deserve most of the blame, like you suggest (though as you point out, we disagree in that I tend to put a little more blame on the coaching staff). But in context of my complaint, it had little to do with Brendon White and everything to do with Greg Schiano.

I was just tossing out one isolated reason (of many) why I disagree with Schiano receiving a half-million dollar bonus. I wasn't saying the players didn't share in the blame, I was just pointing out one example of how the unit and the side of the ball he coaches was a mess this season. Whether it's due to player development, a mismanagement of players or scheme, it all ultimately reflects on him and it's not deserving of a $450,000 bonus. That's all I meant.

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I tend to be a strategic thinker more than a tactical thinker.  So that will manifest itself in comments like how Schiano performed across multiple seasons determines his value in my eyes.  As I’ve said before, he didn’t suddenly get stupid.  Therefore, I believe that there is a reasonable explanation why we sucked on D.  But his contract is a multiple year contract.  His bonuses are for measurable things.  Specifically wins.  So, in my way of thinking, I don’t have a huge issue with his bonus.  And I certainly don’t want to cut my nose off to spite my face by getting rid of one of the top assistant coaches in college football.

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

Very well stated! I couldn't agree more.

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Schiano getting that much in bonuses is ridiculous. But I will not begrudge the man for negotiating one hell of a deal. I need to get ahold of his agent. I would love to be that mediocre at my job and still get that kind of bonus structure.

Urban teaching a class with Mike Leach sounds like the greatest thing ever. The youtube videos that would come out of that classroom would be incredible.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Last year, Sciano was considered the greatest coordinator on the planet.  So what happened to cause him to get stupid?  Did he have a stroke?  Meth?  Or did graduation, leaving early, injuries and slower than needed development in the intangibles necessary to play at this level by the youngsters have something to do with it?

Did he have as good of a year as last year?  Nlo.  But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Like most other issues with this team, how the defense performed was not a simple problem.  

The fact that the defense played better in November than it did in September is still a good thing.  It could be worse.  Our DC could've been the dude from whoreville.  His defense, like everything else about that program, won the September versions of all the awards as its high water mark.

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mtrotb's picture

I agree as 5 guys from last year are playing on Sunday-Ward, Baker, Hubbard, Holmes & Lewis.  Combine that with essentially not having Bosa, that is a hell of a lot of talent that went bye bye.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water. I'm not saying Schiano isn't a good coach. But the defense this year has been overall mediocre. We agree that there are a lot of different reasons for that. But the leader of the defensive unit making nearly a half million dollars in performance bonuses for a performance we can all agree was not great is a bit ridiculous. I don't understand why this concept bothers you.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Seriously. This is the guy you want to go to bat for? He’s gone anyway. Day is not going to retain a guy as big as Schiano. And I’d doubt Schiano would want to stay.

Past is prologue. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

And you know this HOW?  You're Day's best ftriend that he confides in, or are you just talking out of your ass?

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MichiBuck12's picture

Dude, not everyone that has a different opinion than you is talking out their ass, or doesn't understand how football works. Relax.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Dude, not everyone that has a different opinion than you is talking out their ass, or doesn't understand how football works. 

You're right.  If he's talking about his opinion and its well thought out, I'll agree to disagree.  When he makes a statement of fact that he can't possibly know as fact, that is indeed talking out of his ass.  And I'll call him out for it.  Urban Meyer's reputation has taken a hit because too many people talked about their opinion as fact.  And my repeatedly talking out of their collective asses, the narrative took on a life of its own.  So I'll never give that a pass.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

And I'm going to step in ask both of you politely to please let it die here. Thanks.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Seriously. I got put in TO for a lot less the other day. 

What did I say soooo inflammatory about Schiano. IMO...Day doesn’t keep him. Schiano D was marginal at best, and Day I’d assume would want to make changes. Also....IMO. 

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LoufromOSU's picture

Day said he wants a defense that is simplified to allow the players to play fast.  That is the farthest thing from Schiano's scheme.  Figure it out.  He will likely want his own guys on the defensive side. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Yeah, because Schiano is too stupid to adjust to the gameplan.  He coached at Rutgers for Gosh sakes.  How simple did THAT system have to be to be successful?

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LoufromOSU's picture

I never said he was too stupid to adjust to a gameplan.  I mean, he did that most of the season since his initial gameplans were getting owned in the first half.  However, you want a 52 year old coach to change his defensive philosophy to appease a new 39 year old head coach?  We will see if he is retained.   No need to get so fired up about it. 

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BuckAlum09's picture

Way off topic... But can I assume you watch the Canadian dynamite comedy show, Letterkenny? 

If not, figure it out.

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not too long ago

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Kevin Harrish's picture

FWIW, Schiano's scheme is pretty simplified. It's certainly not the opposite of Schiano's scheme.

That said, I don't really expect Schiano to be back next season. I certainly don't expect Schiano and Grinch to both be back next season.

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Well, the Grinch hiring was meh to me.  So I’d say that losing Schiano would hurt the program more than losing Grinch.

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wjpalumbo's picture

I wouldn't say mediocre. I would say feast or famine . (Maybe the same thing) I thought our corners covered well but lost too many 50/50 balls and run defense had lots of tfls but gave up too many long runs. Plenty of blame to go around as to why but I put most of the blame on the players lack of awareness and inexperience.

 

 

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Texbuckbear's picture

Too bad Schiano can't give most of his bonus to this guy, the one who bailed his butt out for most of the season.

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J-Buck's picture

Ok, it’s official, I went to Ohio State waaaay too soon. That bacon vending machine would have changed my world!  

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Buck298's picture

I would have not graduated. I would have spent the next quarter's tuition on bacon. 

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Not_Sure's picture

You could always go back to get your Master’s or PhD. 

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Yoda888's picture

"Meyer and Tressel went a combined 16-1 against Michigan – borderline unrealistic. Every other Ohio State coach is a combined 35-58-5 against that team. Those two dudes single-handedly brought the Buckeyes within striking distance of the all-time series lead."

WOW.

GO BUCKS.

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hetuck's picture

1. Today's lesson in epicaricacy: It's hard to be supercilious when you are 0-4 against your rival. 2, 566 days.

2. Put a kale vending machine next to the bacon vending machine and see which needs restocked first. 

3. It sounds like Day has some specific ideas about what kind of defense he wants. Whether Schiano could adapt remains to be seen. Do not judge Grinch by what you see this season. Coombs didn't excel in the Withers-lead scheme. Perhaps Kyle needs to examine what he did at WSU to the current scheme. 

4. Leach needs his own TED talk series: Geronimo, pirates, and whales for starters. Then dating and wedding advice with why golf is for people who don't know how to swear. Must-see viewing. Let Netflix and Amazon Prime bid for the rights. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Let Netflix and Amazon Prime bid for the rights.

Genius.  +100

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brutus0717's picture

I'm pretty sure Kyle's name is actually Alex, unless you're talking about the Christmas Grinch. I have no idea what that guy's first name is.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Pretty sure that reference was to Kyle at 11W, who does the film studies.

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brutus0717's picture

Oops. I shouldn't try to get snarky at the end of a 12 hour shift. Too bad the Skully isn't posted at 1700.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I believe the Christmas Grinch’s first name is Mister, as in “you’re a mean one, Mister Grinch...”

If Day doesn’t retain Schiano, I’m not sure where he goes. He was only in Columbus because Urban was willing to give him another chance. Wilson, too. If Day is confident and secure in his leadership and abilities, he won’t be afraid to have former head coaches on his staff.

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SilverHaven's picture

Hetuck, gotta love that Leach-- swing your swords.

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Barfolomew's picture

BREAKING: Ohio State gets bacon vending machine

ALSO BREAKING: Bert Bielema offers to be an assistant coach at Ohio State for no charge

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brutus0717's picture

Might be the only way Bert can resurrect his career.

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Wargor's picture

He'd better get in line with the rest of us.

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cledaybuck's picture

I know this is a joke, but I would consider trading Schiano for Bielema.

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avail31678's picture

Ummm...or Brady Hoke, who is currently unemployed.

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Erniebuckeye's picture

Ha! So true! He’s not just asking, but begging. 

As a 3-time Animal Science dept alum(with one of those in meat sci), and person that works for pig farmers, I must say this is one of the best ideas I’ve seen from Ohio State Animal Sciences. This has gone viral and people at other schools are jealous. I got an email forwarded on Friday from an upset Iowa Stater saying- “How does Ohio State have this and we don’t?!”. In the Ag world this is a high compliment because in Ag, ISU is a powerhouse and the state with the most pigs... and we beat ‘em to the punch. Go Animal Science Bucks! 

PS, please don’t overcook your pork chops and roasts... stop at 145F. Trust me, it will be life-changing for your pork chops. No more dry, shoe leather. 

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2morrow's picture

This is awesome:

In the midst of Jim Tressel's 10-year reign as Archduke of Ann Arbor, it seemed impossible that someone would ever match his level of dominance over that school to the north.

I may have to borrow this and post on mgoblog. LOL

If the Vest was the archduke,  UFM is the "Landlord of ann arbor."

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Do they honestly think I [or anyone else] care what the McRib is made from? Have you seen some of things I eat? No.

Close your eyes, pretended it’s meatchicken and bask in the Glory that is....

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TMac's picture

I'd like to see Ryan Day promote Alex Grinch before he losses him. But he can let OU have Schiano and Billy Davis right now. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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zurdo248's picture

What did Alex Grinch do that makes him so good and important to retain? What unit was he in charge of?

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TMac's picture

Co-DC and Safeties. He's from Grove City, I liked his hire last cycle, and I'd like to see his D without Schiano's thumb over top. But that's just my $0.02. 

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LoufromOSU's picture

He watched WSU's defense improve after his departure, FWIW.   He got paid a lot of money to have awful safety play this season. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Shhh....they’re dug in around here. 

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avail31678's picture

It also improved while he was there...One could argue it was players previously under his tutelage continuing on with their development that he provided the base for.

I'm not saying that IS the case - just saying the D improved while he was there too.

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LoufromOSU's picture

it did improve while he was there and you are correct.  I was just being a little contrarian. 

I was excited at his hire, but then I watched the safety play this season and wondered what the heck was going on.  So the verdict is certainly out on him in my opinion.  Brendan White was an improvement, but then he seemed to regress with more playing time. 

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blueblazer22's picture

One of the great mysteries of life: why is the McRib seasonal? I have looked at the list of ingredients and other than still using high fructose corn syrup in the bun, really not so terrible. But why isn't it around all year? Got me. Maybe one Kevinish needs to get a McRib and then stop at the bacon vending machine and put these things together?!

The Vest and Urban are 15-1 vs ttun. Just beautiful. Sorry Lloyd, and Rich, and Brady, and especially Jimmy. Oh wait, not sorry one damn bit. 

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dan_isaacs's picture

My understanding is that it varies based on the prices of the commodities used to make them.  When pork prices are at seasonal lows, for instance, the profit margin will be higher.

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blueblazer22's picture

Makes sense, but not nearly as fun as some weird conspiracy theory that makes it appear around November. Whatever the case, I think I have only tried one once, but that has more to do with me not really liking McDonald's in general than it does having an issue with the McRib. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

In the event you've got a hankering:

https://mcriblocator.com/find.html

Supposedly, McDonald's also released an app to help you find the elusive McRib.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

A big part of why they do the McRib sporadically is to create excitement relative to scarcity. You see this concept occasionally with other companies and it works to generate free advertising and clicks. It works  - we’re talking about it.

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BucksHave7's picture

Would be awesome if Urban took a role in the tOSU Coaches Box as a Full-Time Game Day special consultant to the HC. 

I sense that being the BEST active HC v AP top 25 takes 75% motivating the team and pressing the right buttons in preparation and 25% Xs and Os.   

Geno, please run w this idea!

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buckeyedude's picture

I hope the coaches are busy on the recruiting trail this week. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

No.  They're all up at Moretti's drinking.

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good call on the font

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osu78's picture
  1. The WMD on Chinese counterfeit goods doesn't surprise me. One quick trip through AliExpress shows you can get a knock-off or non-branded version of just about anything made in China. Given where the vape containers were being sold I would not be surprised if the legitimate suppliers are simply maxing out their production to make as much money as possible. A lot of the stuff isn't bad, I buy keyboard covers for my computer for a couple of bucks shipped and they're as good as the ones in the stores that cost 10x as much; but quality is hit or miss.
  2. The resume one was spot on. No one reads past the first page anyway. The only place a long resume is a must is if you apply for a Federal job, where you have to prove you have done everything in the requirements section at the highest level to get as many points as possible so you make the cut to for the candidate list that gets forwarded. Another mistake people make is telling what their job was, not what they accomplished.

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kmp10's picture

I also get the impression that as much as he loved winning, he hated losing infinitely, infinitely more...

I get it, because as much as I love beating *ichigan, I despise losing to them 100 times more. Fortunately, I haven't had to hate that hate very much over the past 20 years.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Ask nearly any coach which games stick out the most to them; more than likely they'll mention a few losses that got away from them.  These things stick in your craw for a long, long time.

Some anthropologist could do a disertation on losing in Homo Sapiens. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if fear of losing is hard wired into our DNA. Losing meant death once upon a time, and the survival instinct is strong.

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Wargor's picture

You are likely right.  For me though it was the underdog wins (8 seed against the 1 seed in a 10 team little league field) and the losses where I felt there was actual cheating going on.  

Of course that might be part of why I don't perform at quite the level of UFM.  Among other reasons.

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Kyson12's picture

16-1 about to be let’s say 26-1???  You can do it. Still unbelievable. We beat Michigan, that’s what we do. 

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Buckeyeneer's picture

USA Today released its assistant coach salary database for 2018 and Greg Schiano, Ryan Day and Alex Grinch each cracked the top-15 highest paid coaches.

Get Larry Johnson on that list today!

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Buckeyeneer's picture

porkcares.org on the bacon vending machine. I love it.

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BBQ_Fan's picture

I say Day will be okay with just the one Wray today as long as he can play.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

That’s the actress who plays Claire Dunphy on Modern Family back when she was younger. Definite upvote.

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Sir, I'll give you an "A"

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hetuck's picture

Make Urban "Special Projects Advisor" to the athletic director. Job #1 should be to expand "Real Life Wednesday" to the entire athletic department. Job#2 could be to look at strategic changes for the athletic department. Some day soon - as much as we wax nostalgic - SJA, the ice rink, and French Field House are coming down. Covelli will replace SJA for events other than basketball, yet a new ice facility and indoor track will be needed. What should they look like? Job#3 visit other schools for best practices. Job#4 could be how to get better ROI on existing facilities. That should keep Urban busy for the next decade. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

expand "Real Life Wednesday" to the entire athletic department.

Why stop there? Shouldn't that be a mission for the entire University? Prepare all those students for real life after college. Maybe that's where higher education has fallen short for so many in the past.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

I’m still waiting for Tuition Lowering Thursday’s......

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Fair-priced books Fridays...

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Tell me about it. We’ve got two more years to pay for our first, and Teen Navy #2 starts college next fall. 

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

We've paid for 14 years of OSU tuition, with 2 to go between the wife and I and kids. Maybe we should get a bacon vending machine named after us......

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stxbuck's picture

Class w/ Mike Leach-Urban isn't a history buff, and Leach isn't into corporate psych-leadership babble. I guess it would have to be about offensive football.

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TkeBuck's picture

just like every other sport and business on every level...there's a tipping point where you start cutting payroll. coming soon to a theater near you.

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JACKTATUMSFOREARM's picture

Regarding the cover picture: Anyone know why Weber is wearing #5?  I've looked around for answers, but not found anything yet.

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I read where it was his HS number

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PhxBuckeye's picture

"Elite company" is right. Even after George H.W. Bush's death last week, there are still more living United States presidents than there are living non-interim Ohio State football coaches.

Which job is more stressful? 

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45has2's picture

Urb could again follow Tress and teach a class on football or winning or winning football. Yeah, that's it.

Censores irrumasti.

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osufan2002's picture

I suffered the late 80s and especially the 90s, making losing trips to Ann Arbor in 1989, 1991, 1993, 1995, 1997, and 1999 before concluding I brought negative mojo and vowing never to return to that hellhole of a football venue.  scUM fans were insufferable and patronizing to the core during the Cooper era, explaining patiently that the problem with tOSU fans was that we cared too much.  I would seethe internally, thinking sure, let us kick your butts 5 years in a row and let's see who cares too much.  Along came Tress, and as he piled on success, what was the scUM response?  To get rid of their old Carr (a Michigan man no less), get a new hot Rod (lured from his own alma mater), and lose their way in the rivalry even after getting Mr. Guarantee himself back on campus!  So much for their arrogance, and their half a natty since 1940 added to all the others gained before football had helmets and rules.  Here is to Coach Day continuing the 65+ year uninterrupted HOF coaching at tOSU, winning the rivalry game first, and then all the of the others!!  Go Bucks!!!

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CalBuck555's picture

I just want coaches who can recruit well, develop players and know how to scheme. Also a head coach who wins 92.3% of his games. Is that too much to ask ?

Rose Bowl or Bust

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sawesome's picture

I also get the impression that as much as he loved winning, he hated losing infinitely, infinitely more, to the point that he admitted an overtime loss to Maryland would have ruined his and his families lives for the next seven (!!!) months.

If you haven't read Agassi's autobiography, Open, you have to.  The dirty secret, he shares, is that losing is much worse than winning is better, at least for a certain kind of people for whom the sport is the end in itself, and it robs even the best victories of their rightful accomplishment. Tressel, I think, always had a compass outside of football; I like to think Meyer found it during his retirement from Florida, but I really don't know.

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OSU_JD's picture

"Elite company" is right. Even after George H.W. Bush's death last week, there are still more living United States presidents than there are living non-interim Ohio State football coaches.

Wait, I have Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Trump;  Cooper, Tressel, Urban, and Day. 

So the number is equal, right?  Am I missing something? 

EDIT: Crap, I forgot about W. Mea culpa, mea culpa, maxima mea culpa. 

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Respectthebox's picture

If he’s still around next year, I think they maybe ought to think about a new rider on Sciano’s contract that forfeits his bonuses in any unranked teams roll up 50 points on the Buckeyes. Just a thought. 

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MMMMMMM, bacon.....

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ScarletGray43157's picture

a $400,000 drop from Zach Smith to Brian Hartline

This is an injustice that must be corrected immediately.

That is all. 

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