I'm sad to see Urban go but I am excited to see what Ryan Day brings to the table. Maybe it's just me but I feel like we just got a coach similar to Kirby Smart. (Just don't go for a fake punt on 4th and 11 at midfield late in the 4th qtr when the game is tied)
Pretty sure that was the worst play call I’ve ever seen especially since Bama pretty much stayed in their base defense.
Keep fighting CalPoppy
Plus if you pin them deep Jalen then has to orchestrate a long drive to win the game rather than already being in field goal range when they had possession. I yelled at the TV saying his name should be Kirby Dumb
The long pass against Bama was a bad call too leaving them with time outs. If Bama would of scored on that last drive and won in OT imagine that but it worked out barely. lol
He has an established track record with the X's and O's
Now... let's hope he's just as good at bringing in the Jimmy's and Joe's
Life long fan of... The!
Bingo. That is my biggest concern as well...at least in the short term.
We're going to miss out on a few players this year due to the coach change but I have a feeling that those guys will come to realize that they're the ones missing out on playing for Day. They'll kick themselves for opting to go north (or wherever) and play for a wierd guy who is probably going to be running to the NFL sooner rather than later.
Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0
If the offensive attack looks similar to the first three games I'm all in. I hope he nails down the defense, I might keep everyone except Bill Davis. If Tater is the QB I think we may struggle a bit next season. Day is in a tough spot, his first loss will get the worst of our fan base riled up.
“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!” DLR
Urban has proven that even when surrounded with 12 wins, one loss is too much. Amazing.
Day may get the benefit of the doubt with one loss. The Urban hate and losing by 29 points to Purdont was our downfall this year. We can lose a game, just not a blow out loss to a crap team.
Agree.....but let's not downplay the depth or severity of those losses.
In the past two plus calendar years, Meyer's Buckeyes have lost by 31 to Clemson; 30+ to Iowa and 29 to Purdue. Those losses, even only 3 in number, took a lopsided toll if even unfairly, on the credibility of Meyer's program in terms of being qualified to play on the biggest stage.
The tombstoning by Clemson was the hardest pill to swallow. We can chalk Iowa and Purdont into the overlooking category, but the beatdown by Dabo showed some flaws. All three losses are bad, but Clemson just seems worse to me.
And Dabo got tombstoned by Bama last year. Clemson probably shouldn't even show up to the playoff because their flaws were exposed in that terrible loss and it's clear sign that program is no longer ready for the prime time.
Fido, that is not what I'm saying. I was thinking that the loss to Clemson in the playoff was worse than the other two losses as a commentary against OSU on the big stage.
But when you say it's a "commentary," you're suggesting that it's more than just one bad loss in a vacuum, i.e., that it becomes a "narrative" that gets carried forth to future teams in the same program when they get on the "big stage," even two or three years later with mostly different players. In other words, another stupid microwaveable media hot take that becomes a "narrative" among the lazy group think sports media.
Why wasn't it a commentary against Clemson on the big stage when they got embarrassed by Bama on the very same big stage that the "commentary" against Ohio State happened? Especially since a lot more of Clemson's current roster is still around after getting destroyed on the big stage in 2017 compared to Ohio State players still around from the 2016 season.
Fido, the media has a disdain for Ohio State and they know hating on us gets eyeballs. They will bring up the thumping from Florida, the loss to LSU in the championship, both pastings from Clemson and then throw on the loss to MSU in the B1GCCG and the losses to Iowa and Purdue. They still think we got lucky to beat Bama and Oregon to win the Natty and somehow got lucky beating the brakes off of TTUN. We don't get the credit for our quality wins, but they love to give us crap for our losses.
While I am agreeing with most of your themes, Doc, I no longer feel we are "paying for" those older losses on the big stage with Tress.
Where I disagree with Fido, is in comparing a Bama beatdown on Clemson with our thumpings at the hands of Iowa and Purdue...and the lingering stench from Clemson. The bottom line is....as I keep saying, fairly or unfairly, until the lopsided losses end, even if they only happen once a year or every 2 years, the credibility of the OSU program, as compared to Bama, Clemson, and now even, UGA is in question. We don't have to like it -- but it is, what it is, as the trite saying goes.
Here's the thing though Fido, whether it's a fair or unfair narrative, it's a narrative none-the-less. I 100% agree with you, it's ridiculous to make any correlations between the Clemson loss a few years ago, and to now. But many do. Heck, there's still some that bring up the lopsided losses by Tressel against LSU and Florida. For whatever reason, OSU seems to often be judged differently than others. Look at this year, you have an Oklahoma team that needed OT to beat Army, pulled out close, high scoring wins against unranked teams like OK State and Texas Tech, and gave up 40 to Kansas. Yet, there was this narrative that OSU was less consistent throughout the year, primarily for the same things that happened to OK, giving up lots of points and pulling out close wins against unranked teams. So fair or not, they simply seem to not be able to afford and overcome a loss like Iowa or Purdue. And I still believe the Clemson blowout is part of that, because that feeds into a perception that if you put a mediocre(not my thoughts, the narrative) OSU team into the playoffs, they may embarrass the committee like they did versus Clemson.
Bing, bing, bing, bing!!!
Anyone else get their comments randomly placed, instead of where they were supposed to go?
That was a rough one, maybe it was personal karma to Urban for the beat down he put on us at Florida. Now he understands how we felt.
Sarcasm noted.....but for reasons we can all disagree with, Clemson is carrying more street cred on the national scene right now than we are.
The offense attack will look different next year. I think Day would prefer to deploy a big armed QB that stretch the field but we don't have many of those left on the roster after Dwayne gets picked in the top 5 of the upcoming draft.
*Haskins will be the first or second QB taken. I've said this since week 2 and i feel good about that prediction after getting a better look at the other QBs in the draft.
I think he likes the big armed QB too. Tater Tot doesn't fit that mold, but there are not many kids that do.
Yea, I'm curious if Ohio State is going to recruit more Haskins style players (and like Jack Miller) as opposed to the Barret, Miller, Martell type scramble QB's that Meyer so loved (and like Tressel loved too frankly with Pryor and Miller).
If he's more of a Chip Kelly disciple still, you'd think that while he wants some mobility, he cares far more about the ability to launch the football and let's face it, Mariota is still in on Sundays while the past 25 years of mobile OSU QB's recruited by Tressel and Meyer continue to struggle to find playing time behind center.
Frankly, before Haskins we haven't had an NFL Caliber QB at OSU since Art Schlichter.
If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.
We had others go to the league that were pro style qb's here and excelled in college but not the NFL. In another thread two days ago a poster mentioned something I never thought about. Martell plays a lot like Murry of Oklahoma that's promising to me.
Murray without the arm.
Not so fast! Agree that we haven't seen Tater throw the ball in the "package" that was more of a straight jacket. But we saw some arm strength earlier in the season and his HS tape is sound. I really believe that his combo of escapability and solid arm will give the Buckeyes a "Oklahoma style offense", and hopefully we go back to a Silver Bullet defense. Our run game is going to love having Dobbins and two RS freshmen vying for time in the ground game.
Who owns the OSU record for consecutive pass completions? Hint: It's not Haskins. Martell went 10-10.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
Unfortunately we are losing most of our WR core which doesn’t help Tate. Hopefully the Mack’s and Victor’s of the world can really step up and show out next season. They’ve shown flashes at times but need to be more consistent.
WR is one of my least concerns, personally. You lose a lot, but with Mack and Victor likely both returning, and Olave looking like a budding star, you have a good start. Then you hope somebody like Harris, Baab, or Blue Smith takes a leap with added playing time opportunities. Lastly, even though it's difficult to count on true Freshman, I think Wilson can be an exception, an instant impact WR, especially given all the WR's moving on. Oh, and while he's not a WR, I also look for Ruckert to have his coming out party next year.
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. I enjoy watching the QB take the top off of the defense. The quick scoring strike is a dagger, now if we could just get the defense to be lock down...
Troy Smith would like a word with you. Then again, Troy got into his own way, however.
We struggled at times with Haskins this year as well. Especially short yardage situations. Which I think once Day has full control of the offense he'll come up with some short yardage plays with Martel as QB. If Dwayne' s a projected 1st rounder and decides to wow them @ the combine he definitely should declare early.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
I don't think we'll see a big change in the assistant coaching staff immediately, but the linebacker coach needs to go. Yes, I realize that the talent level in that position group is not as high as previous years, but this group has been one of the worse in the BIG conference despite having some highly rated recruits with great athletic ability. That speaks mostly to coaching!
You can have the best LBer coach in the world and take the same players that we have and still struggle trying to play in that scheme of Schianos'. Davis may not be a very good position coach I don't know but to lay all the blame on him when it's not his decision what scheme they run?
I agree there needs to be a coaching change, maybe Davis does need to go, Schiano surely does!
This will be his biggest challenge. It impacts the play on the field, it impacts the strategy you want to deploy, and it impacts whether or not a recruit comes to Ohio State. How he handles changeover in the coaching staff will be a leading indicator of how everything else will go. We have to remember that he has never had to do this. He has recruited, he has done the X and O part, he has I assume been in the middle of the strategic discussions. But he has never had to assemble a staff designed to execute the plan.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Tuff's athletic ability was virtually non existing this year. I assume the achilles injury was a big factor in that. Its hard to have success when your Mike backer gets outran by opposing o lineman.
whenever i "make my mark"... i miss The Mark.
Consider others. How about the Buckeye 'commitments'... for example? As a few have suggested, 'let us' listen to what they build their commitment upon.
Meanwhille, the existing foundation is according to the present Head Coach, Urban Meyer. But... although officially The Head until late in the Day of Jan 2 2019... has not Urban "given over" his 'plan' to the one who follows... who carries out the plan?
So...instead of expressing our feelings about who should do what... why not 'let' the already appointed future Head... lead? And thus first - "re-commit" to our H&I standard IN HIS EXACT WORDS... or, 'revise' them?
'setting the example' comes with 'leadership... for good or for ill, but NEVER... in absentia....
...perhaps the Day... follows the Dei...? Wouldn't that be...just a tad 'reassuring'?
Uhh, sir, this is a Wendy's.
TigerSeat... maybe Wendy's is a "3"
Urban vs Harbaugh is a '4'
n'est-ce pas ?
+1 for the Office quote. Well done.
I like turtles.
Who is blue, fast and likes rangs? The Dankey Kang.
thanks for putting a ...mystery... in "relevance"
And nachos. Don't forget about the nachos.
Fields of Dreams
Are you picking up or dropping off?
The juice is worth the squeeze
Take the foundation and continue to drop it on Michigan's face.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
Here, here! I hope Ryan has been properly indoctrinated on the importance of that rivalry game. He doesn't have to look any further than John Cooper's tenure (and how it ended) to know how much that game can impact his future.
Coach Mick and Coach Johnson are key, the rest are expendable.
I hope he does it his way.
Take a little something from the coaches and jobs he had.
No coaches are the same.
For me, every new season brings change. Whether it be an assistant coach or a position/player. That's the exciting part for me. I love change. That being said, it's not that I'm excited that Coach Meyer to go. I would say that some of us all share a certain frustration with his loyalty to certain players and coaches, but you can't argue with the results. In the end, this day was going to come at some point and it's nice to have Coach Day on staff for a smooth transition. The exciting part, for me, is to see what new wrinkles Coach Day brings and what his vision is. I think that Coach Day has is going to surprise many (none of which are Buckeyes fans).
Let's hope he surprises a particular band of glorified rodents up north.
I aim to misbehave.
It is the best of times; it is the worst of times.
No one replaces Urban Myer nor Woody, Tress, etc. Buckeye fans expectations are probably as high as they have ever been (with many, many more fans than ever). While Day may well keep the infrastructure and most of the coaching staff and he might have similar success, will the narrative be that he did it with Urban's blueprint (same was said of Tress and the 2002 National title).
What if Day decides to quickly (not this year) create his on path or key individuals decide that their loyalty was with Urban and don't want to stay under Day long-term. How much time will he be given to weave his own path, hire his own people and recruit players that fit his vision for the team?
The only thing certain is that we will know eventually (3-5 years best guess) and that there will be ups and downs, highs and lows. I hope that through it all, we stick together as Buckeye Nation and throw our full support behind the 25th Head Coach in Ohio State Football history and look back in 15-25 years and say "Ryan Day is in the conversation for greatest Buckeye Coach of all-time".
He needs to come in act like nothing has changed. Because for him, it really hasn’t. The loss to Purdue and the close wins are all on the defense. It was the worst 2nd level I have ever seen as far as tackling and space. I’m not even sure you can blame coaches for that because at times you saw the same players making the same mistakes. Like they are not smart enough to figure it out. And it was Grinch first season. Another commenter said, if LJ leaves, that will have more of an impact than Meyer leaving. Calming recruits fears and in-home visits are crucial right now.
I’m sure Day knows there isn’t a “honeymoon” here at rOSU. He needs to get this recruiting class under control, like yesterday.
Why the hell do I have to keep seeing Wint give up big plays? Is our defensive coaches fucking blind???
The hire of Day to replace Urban is a huge home run. He knows the established culture and will continue to good and work to improve things that need it. Home Run Hire!
Recruiting recruiting recruiting! We already lost a few. For 2019 we are 18th! Not acceptable for Ohio state! Stop the bleeding and add on, otherwise we will not stay at the top of college football!
Hector m Rivera
We haven't lost anyone yet. 3 kids saying they are keeping their options open doesn't mean lost...
Ryan Day is smart, well-spoken, and a class act. I think his #1 priority is to take the lead in recruiting and get the 2019 class locked in. He needs to be transparent and honest with recruits and just sell the program, regardless of who he ultimately decides to retain and hire as assistant coaches. I know that can be a tough sell for 17-18 year old kids who may have built relationships with the current staff. It's Days program now and some staff changes are inevitable, so I hope these kids are motivated to be Buckeyes and are not swayed by negative recruiting. I hope he can find some diamonds in the rough, especially Ohio kids who really understand our TTUN rivalry, traditions, and history. I also hope Urban Meyer is retained by tOSU is some capacity that benefits the football program and the entire athletic department. Time and change will surely show.........
Something that hasn't been mentioned is Real Life Weds. That is a huge tool towards recruiting. I heard many times that was one of the big reasons to come here from recruits.
Since word has gotten out about Urban’s real life Wednesday’s many other schools have done something similar. They might not have all the connections that Ohio State has, but other schools can offer something along the same lines.
I want the best defensive coordinator that exists for Christmas.
Don't spook the horse.
We might have one here now in the guy you want out. I have never seen a good defense with out good linebacker play. It puts to much pressure on the d backs when your linebackers play poorly. What made it even worse was the youth in the back end. I feel he will leave on his own since being passed over for the head coaching job. Grinch is another super star in the making and not sure if he could move to DC or not. I think we are going to be surprised how the coaching staff will shake out but I'm 100% sure Day knows who will be replaced. Schiano Davis and Studs I see as the only movement and not sure about Schiano unless he gets a head coaching job????
Does anyone have the recruiting schedule as to who they meet with and when ? If so could you please share it.
Mark May is a mental midget
I doubt anyone has that info for most visits and who. Some of you fans would be waiting in a car and ask for pictures and get in the way. I always wanted to be a fly on the wall though and see how a in home visit is done though.
UFM also commented once during the presser that he tried to delegate and become CEO, allowing others to take over. And I believe he used the word "failed" or "failure" when describing what happened. So for UFM's foundation is to be used and trusted, Day may have to control it as much as he did. Will be interesting to see if that is in Day's DNA.
"Success is the only motivational factor that a boy with character needs." Woody
He failed only in letting up and couldn't do it. Not that he didn't trust his staff but backing off when he probably could of been home resting with family. It's how he is made up and also said he knows nothing else. Ever read the story about his up bringing. One of my favorites was his dad chewing him out after baseball practice and making him walk home. I know Ashtabula a little and have a rough idea where the family lived. Trust me the baseball fields are not close to his home at least 2 miles or more away.
I don't know Ryan Day, but I sense he and Meyer, in this regard, have little in common. Ryan Day saw firsthand....that Meyer "doing it his way" probably got the best of him, over time. Day seems like more of a delegator, but we'll see next year.
This is The Ohio State University, we'll be fine and a year from now when we stand undefeated heading into the CFP's as the #2 team we'll have forgotten all about this little blip by that time. With Baldwin & Tate platooning our offense can take on many different looks.