I'm sure Urban approved of Ryan Day taking over. If Urban is good with the move, than I am as well.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
I’m already paranoid about him bolting to the NFL after 3-4 years if he’s really successful here. Young guy, great offensive mind, not from OH, or an alum. Just screams bad future news to me.
Dang, 3-4 really successful years? Now I'm worried too!
If it includes another national title (preferably multiple) I’ll take it. Fick or Meyer may be ready for a return by then.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
Coaches at the biggest college programs generally don't bolt for the Jets or Redskins or whomever. Jimmie Johnson and Steve Spurrier did back in the 90s. Pete Carroll got out ahead of the mob at USC. If Day keeps things rolling in Columbus, he will have a better gig-and more satisfaction-than an NFL roller coaster ride.
Buckeye fans will never change. Day hasn't spent a minute as HC, and we're already worried about him leaving.
if it means keeping marotti, pantoni, stamper, and the good assistants, it's the best move.
ideally certain groomsmen and certain joe-pa wannabes (just talking about the pants and black shoes, nothing else, don't freak out) find their way elsewhere.
the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS
As am I... I'm all in for hoping he works out as the HC. Some thoughts are...
GO BUCKS!!! Now I'm really excited for the Rose Bowl
I can't argue the move, Day proved himself in his 3 game audition earlier this year. But, I wonder if the quick hire has any impact on LJ and his future with the program. Wasn't he somewhat pissed that he was passed over without a look at PSU?
Never before in the history of man have lives less lived been more chronicled. - Dennis Miller
I think at this stage in his career, Coach Johnson may no longer be interested in leading a program. He seems very happy handling the Buckeye d-line.
Maybe a younger LJ would be pissed, but I think at his age he is happy being the best DL coach in the country.
I hope he stays for another 5 years. You know the spot is his if he wants it.
The dline recruiting makes me think he is long gone.
I could see Day giving him a pay bump to stick around for sure. LJ is the most valuable coach on the staff lol.
I will pound and pound you until you quit
- Woody Hayes
I think LJ has said in the past something to effect of him being comfortable as a position coach for the rest of his career because he's really good at it.
With Urb's salary coming off the books, back up the Brinks truck to keep LJ.
Exactly... If we can even get 5 more years from him. Plus... Bring up a quality understudy beneath him.
I like it for now. Ask me again after all his staff changes are done. Then ask me again in 2 years. When it comes to staff, he needs a hired gun recruiting closer. Honestly, give Ron Zook a call to be on staff. He could sell a glass of water to a drowning man.
Who (realistically) would be unequivocally better? Not much out there right now.
I wish the real world would just stop hassling me...
Yeah exactly. There’s not really anyone when you’re replacing a hall of fame coach that is more “proven” than what you’re replacing. When Tressel left, Urban was immediately on the board as a replacement possibility.
This time there is no one like that
That you could actually get? Brohm maybe but the list runs short after that and even then you're going to kill/replace the existing culture and recruiting. Fick?
Remember when Urban came in he basically kept the best of the Tres Era and then built on it. Keeping Fick etc was a good move.
Fick would be my only 2nd choice because you could still keep the Urban way. Even then it's a wash.
Matt Campbell? Fickell? Brohm?
I bet there are coaches out there would give up their gigs to come to OSU that we wouldn't expect. Stoops? Vrabel? All lesser likelihoods and less realistic but you never know.
But are Fick, Brohm and Campbell clearly better?
Exactly--there's nothing that shows us that these guys are proven or better. None of them have won a championship. Hell, none of them have won a conference title yet.
Hard to say and I don't think anyone can truly say. Campbell wouldn't be a bad hire by any means. He has 7 seasons as a HC and has won everywhere he's been. Known as a leader. He has a lot traits of a young Urban Meyer.
I think Day has a very high ceiling and potential as a HC. Brohm and Day are pretty similar if you ask me. Brohm has HC experience.
Big difference between winning 9 games at Toledo or 7 games at Iowa State and winning championships and big time bowl games.
or at Youngstown State, right?
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3 or 4 1-AA NCs are a helluva lot different and more impressive than 7 wins at Iowa State...........
that was one of the raps when they hired him IIRC.
Day only has 3 games of head coaching experience at any level and that was here at Ohio State. He has never been a head coach before prior to the 3 games stint this year--not high school, college, or even a church league. Prior head coaching experience is, or at least should be, very important. I would take Fick, Brohm, or Campbell in a heartbeat over Day. This is a lazy hire by Ohio State.
"In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem." George Carlin
I beg to differ with you calling it a “lazy hire”... Obviously a lot of thought and planning went into this... A successful 3 game “primer”, keeping the administrative staff (Pantoni, Marriotti, et.al.), and Urban staying on at OSU in a support staff role...
Continuity and keeping stability within a successful program are key (including the program’s lifeline—recruiting...), and OSU has secured one of the brightest young coaching stars to lead it... I’d say they made the absolute best move possible...
thank you Urban Meyer... Let the Ryan Day era begin...
It is totally a lazy hire. If Day were truly a head coach and in charge of this team/football program he wouldn't keep the entirety of Meyer's admin staff. All admin staff and assistant coaching decisions should be up to Day, but this appears that Day either retained these guys because they were forced on him by Meyer or he doesn't have knowledge/wherewithal to bring in his own guys.
Ohio State is one of the top football jobs in the country. The university could have opened up its coaching search and interviewed any number of better qualified candidates instead of selecting Day, whose coaching experience is a 3 game "primer."
Or because Pantoni and Mick are literally 2 of the absolute best in the business at what they do. Ryan Stamper and Volt are also accomplished behind the scenes personnel.
But yeah, it's lazy and he's being "forced" to keep such terrible staff.
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
My point on the admin staff is that these decisions shouldn't be announced until Day is officially the head coach--Jan 2nd. By announcing the retention of these guys now, it has all the appearances that the decision to keep these guys was heavily influenced by Meyer.
And hell yes this is a lazy hire. Why not interview other well-qualified coaches before deciding? You're telling me a guy with 3 games of head coaching experience is the best Ohio State can do? I don't buy that at all.
Lincoln Riley, Kirby Smart, and Dabo Swinney never had head coaching experience before they became HC's and none of them seem to have done poorly.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
don't know about Dabo, but Smart (not so) was DC under Saban for some time (7-8 years)
Stoops would be a home run hire, but I like the way Ryan Day had the guys playing in September. Hopefully he’s got the recruiting thing in good hands going forward.
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Remember when Urban came in he basically kept the best of the Tres Era
The best of the Tres Era? He kept one coach (Fickell) and dumped the rest.
How do you put a picture in italics?
No need for italics in this case, no worries.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
Say what you will about Zook, but the dude was a grade A recruiter, no question.
Yes, good hire. Controlled this team in a time of chaos and took down a very good TCU team at the time. Looking forward to seeing what he brings to this program. Thank you Coach Meyer.
Can he recruit at a high level?
Priority #1: Beat Michigan
Rumor is Mick and Marotti are staying too. That can't hurt.
If I'm Day, I'm firing Bill Davis and Greg Schiano as I walk off the podium while I'm on the phone with Marcus Freeman.
I support this move 100%. He sure looks and talks the part. I think he'll be just fine.
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That's what I'd be doing. Also, I'd be making uncomfortable eye contact with them (Schiano and Billy) during the presser. Just straight faced cold emotionless terminator like eye contact.
Seems I've responded to the wrong comment.
Ryan Day called the plays that resulted in Ohio State scoring 62 points on Michigan.
Ryan Day is 2-0 vs Michigan calling plays.
Ryan Day seems to like kicking Michigan's face in.
Ryan Day has my vote of confidence
I love your post !
I think the best part about Day is that he'll keep "the Urban way" in tact. Having Marotti, Stamper and Pantoni is like 50% of the program.
Clearly Day can design and run an offense. It also gives Day the freedom to remove anyone not living up to expectations.
Day as head, Wilson as OC, Schiano as DC, hopefully Johnson, Marotti, Pantoni and Stamper... I'd say that's a hell of a good start!
As long as he gets rid of Bill D. I am happy.
Yeah I didn't want to say it like that, but yes.
This year's Ohio State offensive stats are very similar to Oklahoma 2008. Do you know who the OC of Oklahoma 2008 was? Kevin Wilson. Give Wilson a raise and Schiano's Associate Head Coach title
While I did know that about 2008, it's funny that offense since then has changed so much but Wilson is still at the forefront.
I think Schiano is likely gone after this year for a HC position. He probably thought he was qualified to be the HC here and, I am assuming, he was likely unhappy with Day being appointed interim HC over him. Wilson is more likely, IMO, to stay. Day's tenure will start with decisions on replacing Davis and Schiano.
If all this happens then all is well. I just fear the recruits we lose in the short term.
For every recruit we lose, we will gain another recruit, although the new one may be lower ranked. That could be a good thing, because it'd be nice to get some players to hang around and get experience for once. As good as these past 3 years teams have been talent-wise, they have been lacking in experience and it shows each year at least once or twice a year.
agree, but how much longer will marotti stay now that urban is gone?
I think that depends on if Urban stays retired.
Scarlett & Gray > Blue and Gold
Schiano as DC
LOVE it. The team is staying, too - Marotti, Pantoni, Stamper. No mention of Schiano and Davis. Fingers crossed.
Well, he has to make a decision on Davis with his contract expiring. Schiano maybe interested in other opportunities as HC or in the NFL. He was going to be offered future opportunities elsewhere regardless of Urban's status so who knows what Schiano was planning on doing next year anyways.
I think Schiano waits a year. His stock is low right now, but if the D returns to glory next year he could be a hotter commodity.
I love Schiano but when is his stock going to go up? The stuff that dogged him at Tenn is going to dog him anywhere moving forward regardless of how ridiculous it is.
Wouldn't hurt as much in the NFL. He can be a DC for a few seasons and get serious looks as HC in the NFL or college.
Do we know Marotti and Pantoni are staying?
Nevermind, just saw the Thamel article.
Great hire. There is a reason a lot of people in the football community thinks so highly of him. He got a nice tryout at the beginning of this year. Plus the offensive style isn't going to change and the players we have on the roster won't become a bad fit overnight.
Recruiting will stay the same and there won't be a huge turnover of staff (except Davis hopefully). But the main aspect is who else would you want? There are only 2-3 guys that could legitimately replace Meyer and they are coaching at OU, Clemson, and Alabama.
I think coaching he will do OK, biggest thing is can the program and it’s rep survive the recruiting change? How many if any recruits do we lose? The ability to recruit is heads and tails above the ability to coach! Can he maintain the recruiting?
If he retains the majority of the staff, bye bye Bill Davis, then I like the hire. Day spent 2 years under Urban, basically being groomed for this.
I would bet LJ, Grinch, Johnson, and Alford for sure stick around. Stud probably will. Schiano I think stays as well, knowing that his reputation after the D's performance this year was sub-par is at an all-time low.
Matt Campbell is the only other obvious guy, but I like Day. There's no doubt that he's going to run a wide-open offense.
While I like the pick, I think we'll get another look at how this is viewed between now and national signing day. I want to see some of the changes he makes on the staff as well. Urban is a tough act to follow. I wish Coach Day well.
The King is dead, long live the king, but
Count me as being not happy with this selection.
It was a fun ride while it lasted. Almost caught up to ttun (58-50-6)
Sometimes big names aren’t the best. Michigan is not beating osu with that offense they run
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Like Jim Tressel
Your comment about TTUN includes the no face mask/ leather helmet era... I think we are well above 500 in the modern football era...
Ohio State is at or above .500 against the University of Michigan since 1907. (For reference, the forward pass was added to college football in 1906.)
Or to illustrate the point graphically, here's a chart showing OSU's record against U of M since any given year:
OSU Class of 1999
You might need to work on your y-axis. If we're .500 against TTUN since 1907, it shouldn't say 0%. Likewise, how does someone born in 1976 only have a .100 record?
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
23 - 19 against Missagain so it’s been good to be a Buckeye for 42 years (minus the Cooper reign of errors)
I love it. And the way they rolled this out. I expect the good times to keep on rollin'.
To hell with the Michigan Wolverines.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0
Good with the move as long as he overhauls the defense staff and can recruit
holy crap relax, youngest secondary and LB i can remember at key positions, but yes the defense has to catch up, I wonder if Martell stays? Baldwin is Day’s type of QB
Ask me on Nov. 30, 2019.
I initially like the pick. I'll get back to you after national signing day and after I see whether LJ will be returning. Hoping Johnson doesn't decide to just hang it up and ride off into the sunset with Urban.
These are literally my exact thoughts. LJ keeps the critical recruits coming and obviously keeps the D-line working like it has been. Losing him would be the bigger hit.
This is a good move to solidify recruiting this year and avoid any uncertainty. I'm concerned moving forward but a lot will depend on his staff choices. I expect some significant turnover before next season, if he returns with a majority of the staff intact I'd be worried. He can't be Urban part 2 he has to be coach Day and start with his own approach.
It really depends on who he can retain and hire. Will Marioti and Johnson stick around? Wilson? Schiano? Grinch? There reason for being here, just retired. They won't be here past 1 year I would guess. Massive changes coming down the pike. Harbaugh just became much, much more dangerous to us, and this rivalry is now back I'm afraid.
Agree. With Urban leaving, staff stability will have a huge impact on the 2019 class. We can have some changes, but if a recruit doesn't know anybody it will be hard to sign them.
LOL at the Harbaugh/rivalry comment. So Urban’s retirement was all that Harbaugh was waiting for before he evolved his ancient offense? Or decided to figure out to stop a quality spread offense?
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"
Day knows how to carve up that D too
Its just gonna be harder to outrecruit him is my biggest reason he will become more dangerous. He may steal some of our best players. And TTuN only beats us when they have our best. That being said...if Day beats Harbaugh this first year, it will go the other way to is fast.
I really don’t think recruiting will be an issue. Especially the offensive side. He has already shown he can run a wide open offense that every player wants to play, and he is only 39, so the he may not be here long negative recruiting won’t work.
Day is the best available in my opinion. He knows the system, the current recruits in cycle, and the current players who are coming back who he helped recruit. Plus he is a real good play caller. Only time will tell now what impact this will have on recruiting. I was hoping he would wait a year and gradually let Day take over but he deserves to go out on his terms and take care of family. Family is more important.
I hope he keeps Hartline. I think that would be a good overall move for Day
first thing that caught my attention were the names of only 3 retained coaches. does that mean the others are up in the air? under consideration? maybe planning their own futures? boy, this changes everything going forward...
I take it as a very good sign. I think we'll see far more consistency on both sides of the ball next year as the team's efforts will be free of the baggage of favoritism.
No, I don't. That's the point. Day is free to keep what's good and fix what's bad.
I think those 3 were named because those are all Urban "inner circle" guys. I would imagine a majority of the staff will remain at OSU. My best guesses are as follows:
Staying: Alford, Hartline, LJ, Wilson, Grinch.
Maybes: Schiano, Taver Johnson, Stud
Probably Gone: Davis
Schiano is going no place, just built a new house in New Albany, not good but GREAT recruiter, the guy is an outstanding defensive coach.
I don't think he is leaving but selling a house in New Albany isn't the hardest thing to do. Even if its worth a couple million.
100% agree, fresh.
My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.
I like the Day move. Pretty much keeps recruiting on a firm foundation. I dont really know his offensive philosophy. Will Tate like this move or does he prefer trying to find Dwayne part 2. No one really knows the parts of this hire that are most important but you can count me in as a guy who believes that Day will be first and foremost win or lose a great representation of all the things we do or should stand for.
Love having Day as our guy! Urban approved of it im sure. All great coaches have to start somewhere and sometime (Dabo, Kirby, Lincoln, etc) I am now worried about Larry Johnson staying!!!
I want a guy that was under Urban Meyer's wing, cutting his teeth as an OC under a legend. Day will be just fine. I am just worried about losing recruits in the meantime...
I like the hire. My only concern: does he fully understand The Rivalry?
"We talkin' about practice?!" -Allen Iverson 2002
I think being here under Urban for a few seasons is a benefit. A huge benefit at that. I wouldn’t like it as much if he were coming from the outside and didn’t get an opportunity to see that The Game is a 365 day a year priority. Under Urban, he was allotted that opportunity that when you’re the coach here, you better beat TTUN, because everything else usually falls into place once you do that.
As long he hangs onto Larry Johnson and Alex Grinch.Sort of thought when Urban stepped down they might go after Matt Campbell of Iowa State
Because he was a very good DC at WSU.
But has he been one here?
We don't know. Schiano has been in charge of the defense.
I'm not sure if he was. He took WSU from terrible to OK. In 2017 Grinch's defense performed its worst on 3rd downs and in the 4th quarter. Their statistical success was built on downs and quarters where it mattered less. It was also ranked 124th in rushing isoPPP, meaning they gave up a lot of successful, explosive run plays to their opposition. That starts to sound an awful lot like the issues we struggled with this season.
- Young and upcoming guy. Innovative on the offensive side of the ball. With success, can be here for decades.
- Not an Ohio guy. Possibly wants to go to the NFL; this isn’t a “stepping stone” job to even the NFL. No real head coaching experience at this level, sans the three game stint as acting coach.
Gut feeling just a few minutes into this, I believe we will be ok. I think we can grow offensively with Day, and with the right hires, can grow defensively from where we were this season. My only worry is that he bolts for an NFL job one day, and like I said, this isn’t a stepping stone type of program. Other than that, I think we will be ok.
Ohio State is a tough place to be a first time HC and to learn that role.
My only worry is that he bolts for an NFL job one day
That's a valid point. No indication that he's a "college" guy.
As for the Ohioan part, it's okay with me. He's not from here, but I think he gets it as much as an outsider can. And his family really loves Columbus so who knows? He might decide that he'd like Columbus to be home for a good while.
Don't care about an "Ohio guy". How's it worked out for those Michigan Men lately?
Yeah, but that's because it's Michigan.
Honestly, he's been here knee deep long enough to know what Ohio culture is. I personally hope he maintains strong Ohio ties with the area programs and that he puts a good amount of Ohio coaches on his staff. We do know that the guy can coach an offense and call plays, so I'm totally looking forward to that. Gotta imagine that he'll bring in some guys for a new defensive flavor. Oh well, more stuff to make the offseason somewhat entertaining.
I think he had a taste of NFL and didn't like it much. Its rare recently that a college head coach jumps to the NFL. A lot of times NFL teams like to hire guys already in the NFL. If he wanted to end up there, I think he could have found a job with a team as an OC instead of coming to OSU.
Yup, if he wanted back in the NFL game, the Titans OC gig this year was his for the taking.
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I'm good with it. Can't think of many other candidates at the moment that would be obtainable and could compare to Urban. And for other young coaching stars, very few that would bring the ability that is worth sacrificing the continuity that Day could offer being in the program for the past 2 years.
I'm good with the decision. Some people scratch their heads due to the speed of the decision, no search for other candidates, etc. I don't see it that way. This was a tactical withdrawal, well-thought out for some time and I'm sure this was done this way to keep the highest level of stability and continuity in the program and with recruiting process.
I'm also sure Day had Meyer's personal endorsement. I know previously I read that some of our biggest recruits have stated that they wouldn't waver on their commitment so long as either Meyer or Day were coaching, I think we're in good hands.
I don't buy into "Well he's never been a head coach anywhere..." Who cares? How many re-treads keep cycling around in sports with lots of experience and proven mediocre results? Get on board, let's roll. Go Buckeyes
I LOVE that there wasn't a protracted coaching search. After the season we had, I don't want any part of that news cycle. Congrats, Coach Day.
Does this mean he's the only person in OSU history to be named head coach twice?
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Does this mean he's the only person in OSU history to be named head coach twice?
Surprisingly, no. Frederick Ryder was the coach from 1892-1895. Then was the coach again in 1898 for one year.
Going all conspiracy theory here, but it makes me wonder that back with the bs in the summer if the board told UM that he wouldn't be fired as long as he accepted a suspension and then stepped down after the season. The suspension allows them to see how Ryan would be at the helm...could be another reason why Schiano wasn't named interim hc? I don't know, but it makes me wonder. All that aside, it was a damn good run.
As for Ryan, I like him and hope that when he steps it's a smooth transition. Go Bucks.
One of the VP's at my company asked me about Urban right before he returned from suspension earlier this season. I told him "Urban will retire this season, Ryan Day will be our head coach and we will win 11 games next year". Maybe it ends up being 12.
The only thing Gene Smith is good for is hiring great coaches. I have to assume he continues that track record.
I think Day is the best option. I hope Urban takes a year or two off and replaces Gene Smith as our AD.
Remember when OSU passed on bigger name coaches for some bum named Jim Tressel? Man, they really screwed up there...
I think Day is a smart hire because 1. He knows the kids 2. Hes had a couple years under Urban 3. Hes ran the ship once already for 3 games and 4. Who else?
I'm a little nervous, but honestly unless we had just Godfather-offered someone like Dabo you're basically taking a huge risk no matter what.
In a word, YES!!
Tressel and Meyer both won national titles in their first three seasons, I'm going to bank on Day doing the same.
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
Good move for now. Can we find an assistant that knows how to coach the DB's?
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You mean like Taver Johnson who has coached multiple AA's, a Thorpe award winner, and turned many 3 stars into NFL draft picks?
welp.....they were NOT impressive this year. Maybe if they learn to track the ball and not the receiver, they'll be okay.
Maybe Arnette and Sheffield just arent as good as Lattimore, Conley, and Ward. Maybe Taver got the absolute best out of them. Cant blame him for that, he didnt recruit them. And if you noticed, Okudah and Wade improved considerably this season.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Maybe all the top nfl picks that left early finally bit us in the ass. Great dbs usually take time to develop. If the defense as a whole is struggling you can't blame one part of it. And when did giving up big runs become the secondarys fault. That's a line and lb problem. If our leading tackler isn't a lb, then I'm concerned. Really I'd wager our big pass plays given up are on par with other seasons. It was the huge amount of big runs that we gave up.
Kerry Coombs recruited Sheffield, Wint and Pryor-just sayin'....................
QB Coach candidate thoughts?
Not a ton of high quality other candidates, Fick, Campbell....no other names would inspire much and any outside name would probably doom the current and 2020 classes. Seems like the move that had to be made, hopefully Day proves himself. I mean it is currently Urban, Saban, Dabo, Lincoln, Kribry and the rest so hopefully he can quickly elevate himself into that group. A lot of it will just be keeping the momentum going the next couple years so kids are still excited to come and play here, shouldn't be hard if he can keep the offense humming.
I'm good with it. Hand-picked successor being handed the keys to a program that's in great shape with a lot of the key pieces of the staff remaining intact...it's probably better to keep continuity with as great shape the program is than to overhaul it. And Day is considered one of the next bright stars in the profession, himself. So long as we don't plummet recruiting-wise, I think Ohio State football is going to be just fine. I don't know if it'll be quite as great as with Urban in charge, seeing as how he's one of the best ever...but given the circumstances, I think this is the right move.
Does Schiano have a contract next season?
If you don't make Day the head coach then you lose him and I don't think what the Buckeyes don't need right now is to be looking for a head coach and an offensive coordinator at the same time. I think if it did come down to that then you'd start to see recruits looking else where especially on offense. I think that LJ would be a fine head coach for someone, but as we have seen up north when you have a defensive minded head coach you only get so far. Offer him a raise to hang around is what I would do if Day is smart. Less core turnover makes for a smoother transition and that in turn makes for a smoother future
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My only beef with him is will he be like Urban where it's not a merit based system? Will there be accountability for players or coaches when they under perform? Those are two traits that I hope he didn't pick up from Urban.
No coach or AD is going to publicly endorse panic firings to appease the chicken littles in the fan base
It isn't that I necessarily dislike the hire, but I absolutely hate the refusal to conduct a national search. That is shortsighted, imo. Explore all options, because when you're a definitive top three job in college football you can take your time and make certain the fit is right. If Ryan Day is a part of that process then fine, and if he doesn't want to wait until all interviews are complete, well, see ya. When you're The Ohio State football Buckeyes, almost without exception, whoever you call will be willing to listen. It's not that I'm in favor of retreading old heads, like the NFL is prone to doing, but Day has zero connection to Ohio or Ohio State, and I personally believe that guys who have OSU in their DNA are better fits than guys who are hired guns. We'll see... I hope I'm flat-out wrong.
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I hear you, but the way they handled this tells me it was very planned and intended for swift execution. Recruiting shouldn't be too heavily impacted and that's great seeing as how we're right on the edge of competing for a national title. Big things in 2019. Big things.
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
That kills recruiting momentum which is crucial right now. Make this transition as easy as possible.
I tend to agree with the "Ohio connections get it" theory of coaching at tOSU, but I will also say that Day's 2 years on staff groomed him into that mentality. If tOSU had done a national search and hired some hotshot OC, w zero current or past connections to the program, I would be pissed. Internal promotions are a tricky thing sometimes in hiring, but they also preserve the program DNA better,imo.
I'd rather have Ryan Day with 2 years of actually recruiting for, and coaching/coordinating AT tOSU, than Matt Campbell coming in and saying "Whassup" to all his HS contacts in Willoughby-Kareem Hunt or Akron, despite never having worked a day in is life at tOSU
Recruiting as many have stated will be key. Let's make a role for Urban as a recruiting consultant to Day?
Day is the best option but I hope for his sake and the teams he doesnt try to be Urban 2.0. He should keep recruiting methods in place, he should of course keep that 365 mentality towards the game, but Day will need to find his own footing and figure out who he is as a coach as well. If he tries to copy meyer at every turn he is going to struggle. I think given some initial patience and a chance to build his thing, Day will be great
Right now the reaction on Mgoblog to Meyer's retiring and Day's hiring is a mix between licking their chops because they think Day can't possibly be as dominant as Meyer and some who are quietly despairing because they think "Oh shit, what if he's actually better than Meyer?"
Ryan Day's audition went very well.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I am fine with it. The guy is a good offensive mind and a good coach. If he sticks around for five years or so than it is a good run really. It depends on his success and such. I imagine most of the position coaches will stick around but have to see how that goes. LJ is probably the most critical to keep around to keep the defensive line strong and Grinch will be there.
That is what I am most curious about with this announcement is what happens with that now. I imagine Hartline gets his tag removed and is the WR coach, or it would be a shock. There were going to be a ton of questions going into the offseason with position coaches anyway. This at least gets rid of questions around the HC spot.
It is continuity within the program and about the best they could ask for. As they can keep on the recruiting trail as it is and push things forward. As opposed to looking for a head coach and trying to sort it out for a few months while things are in limbo.
Terrible. The guy is too young. It's gonna be prisoners running the jail. You think the discipline and focus sucked this year? Wait until this.
Holy cow, this program is gonna get real soft real fast. This is real bad. Gonna be a bad next 2-3 years, then they'll hopefully wise up and get a real head coach in here. Holy cow, this is just the worst. I can't believe it. Just unbelievable.
And I thought I could be a Negative Nancy. Damn, take a chill pill.
You do realize that Urban was only 3 years older than Day when he blew us and our Heisman winner out in the NC game, right?
Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.
Have you seen the schedule for the next two years? Easiest looking schedule for the last 10+ years. Talent alone will get you about seven or eight wins, coaching discipline will start pushing that to nine, and if he can develop leadership, we are looking at getting rings. (someone smarter than me said something like that).
next year ends w/ PSU at home and then a trip up north. Not an easy assignment
Sure, not easy but it is at the end of the year when the team should have grown/developed. But PSU will be with 1st year starter 3* senior dual qb Tommy Stevens leading the "great" but not "elite" team. I think this down grades to "good" not "great" team seeing how Stevens played when McSorley was hurt.
2016- @ MSU, then UM back to back. I think that was tougher.
Days most important assignment: Start your HC career 1-0 against ttun.
I’d like a few wins next season before that contest.
I like Ryan Day as an OC, he appears to be a good recruiter, and was impressed how he kept the team together when Urban was out. He handled himself extremely well under some very tough circumstances. But as has been echoed by a lot of people on here and elsewhere, I worry about how he will do vs. TTUN. As our OC he kicked their teeth in. Hoping that killer instinct continues as HC.
Would’ve preferred Vrabel. Hopefully they attempted to see if he was interested. But I’ll be happy to have Day rub my doubt in my face.
There are some in the NFL who think Vrabel is the next Belichick. I doubt we ever get him.
If not Day then who? There is no must-have coach on the market.
My only worry with Day is that he like throwing the ball too much. We threw the ball 70+ times against Purdue. Air-raid offenses are a thing of beauty when they are working, but Purdue happens whenever they stall even a bit. Also, air-raid offenses negatively affect the defensive side of the ball. I have never seen a good D paired with an air-raid offense.
Nut on top
We threw so much because we couldnt run the ball. It is clear Day's offense runs at optimal levels when the ground game works, hence why we saw more Haskins runs in the 2nd half of the season.
I hope now , even more , Haskins stays another year , it will make Days job so much easier .
How about Campbell? Hell, I'd even go after Brohm before I'd take this. Somebody with head coaching experience. How about Gundy? He's a man. He's 40. Over 40 now. They need a man to do this job. This is not a kid's job.
Riley at OU is the exception to the rule, and I still think he's gonna fall flat on his face before too long. You can't have kids teaching the class. Won't work out. I've seen it even in business. It doesn't work.
How about Sean McVey in the NFL? Early 30s.
Given the talent disparity between OSU and most of the teams it will play, I think Day will be successful--it would be hard for him not to be. With that said, I think OSU is doing a disservice by not interviewing other potential candidates for the head coaching job. Day's head coaching experience is all of 3 games. OSU should be able to get a coach with more experience and qualifications than that for its next head coach. I think hiring Day as the next head coach is a lazy move by the university and a mistake.
I like it. There is no one who is a proven great coach available. There rarely is. None of the proven great coaches are going to leave their current jobs. Hiring Day is probably about what they think his ceiling might be. There is more risk with this hire that with a more experienced coach. I think they are going for a home run knowing that they are taking some chances to do it.
Forever is forever. Choose wisely.
This method has worked so far for OU and Lincoln Riley, so I’ll give Day a chance. He’s earned respect for the offense, that much is certain.
However, I’m not 100% convinced. He was "HC" against 3 absolutely terrible teams. TCU gave us fits until the defense stepped up, and Oregon State scored way too many points. He didn’t do it alone, either, as Meyer was coaching during the week and no doubt had contact and explicit instructions for Ryan.
We’ll see if he’s actually head coach & top recruiting material. If the staff stays intact I’d call anything short of 10-wins next year a failure.
I like the hire and cant really think of anyone on a national level that we may have "missed" by not doing a coaching search. Matt Campbell...helluva jump from ISU to OSU, coordinator from another school...no one sticks out as a cant miss. Day had a 3-game interview to start the season (along with a rocky pre-season) and executed as well as possible. My only concern is that he stays long term (7+ years). Due to the unrealistic expectations from the fan base, can he handle the BS that goes along with it or would he bolt for the NFL in 3-4 yrs.
tOSU has fumbled their way through a lot this season, but they nailed this. Everyone in the coaching business knows Day is a superstar. If Meyer was retiring anytime soon, doing it now and passing the baton to him was HUGE. Especially since we know the key staff is staying around.
Oklahoma showed the path for this with Stoops-Riley, and Buckeyes are following the same mold.
Side note - hiring an offensive coach is vital in this era of football. NFL is doing this and colleges should too!
“I have yet to be in a game where luck was involved. Well-prepared players make plays. I have yet to be in a game where the most prepared team didn't win.” - Urban Meyer
I understand partially why they kept him. They got a small sample of what he was capable of when Urban was gone. He is obviously highly recommended or it appears to be by Meyer. They keep continuity of their players and hopefully some of the incoming recruits as well as coaches (hopefully Larry Johnson stays). The administration has seen was Lincoln Riley has done with Oklahoma and think that Day could also do this (this is complete speculation). But, like many others this is TOSU and anyone not named Nick Saban would be very interested in this position. It surprises me that we at least did not interview certain candidates. I will obviously support Day but it will be interesting several months as he fills out the coaching positions.
Day was the best option available, aside from luring Nick Saban north from Tuscaloosa. Matt Campbell-please-7 wins a year at Iowa State do not a legend make. Mike Vrabel-pipe dream. He is an NFLer who happened to play at tOSU-and is comfortable in the NF milieu. Fickell? Not a bad Plan B, but Day is certainly the better choice for program continuity
Day proved himself to be a capable game manager, and is definitely the best choice to keep the recruiting plates spinning. Good luck to our new coach.
Take the interim tag off Brian Hartline immediately. That dude coached the best position group through some serious adversity this year.
Agree 1000% on this.
Love it. Rally behind Coach Day.
Would Day have been hired after a coaching search at USC, Clemson, Alabama, Michigan, etc.?
I think we have a much higher chance of a fast downward spiral over the next three or four years resulting in a total regime change and rebuild than continued success at or near our current level.
Hiring from within just doesn't work as well for a number of reasons. Our very stable program can help that but entropy is fast at work.
I wish them all the best, I wont bad mouth Day, taking over like this is a huge challenge I just think that this is a giant hurtle for him to be truly successful. Interim anything is easier than permanent. So when in charge take charge needs to be his motto because if he shows any weakness we are going to feel it for the next three to four years.
This is about being able to lead, not how smart your are.
These scars are from the "90's, Don't ask me to explain for I cannot bear to recount the horrors of those years.
The trend in the NFL right now seems to be to hire the best play caller you can as your head coach and try and build around him. I think Day would have had a high likelihood of getting hired by a major program. He's a capable play caller that hung 62 on the number 1 D in the country and coaches a Heisman finalist QB.
I think right now Day is the right move. It's more of a transition then a whole new ballgame for a guy who hasn't been involved in the program.
To me, the only move that would've been better would be to unload the brinks truck for Nick Saban, and we know he's not going anywhere. So I think giving Day the job was the best move for the team at this point.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I like it. It seems like the coaching world in general sees Day as a future star HC, and he seemed to handle his "audition" well. I think it speaks volumes about Day's leadership that Schiano and the other veteran assistant coaches were in his corner during those first 3 games, and I never heard of any sniping. He knows the players, he knows the fan base. And naming him now means we don't lose a month of recruiting while the HC job is in limbo.
Finally, there's nobody out there who is realistically available that stands out as a sure success. As I have written before, very different to take a crummy team and make them into a good team that to keep a great team great. I would hire Saban, Dabo or the current coach at Oklahoma, but that's about it.
I'm cautiously optimistic, very anxious to see how he recruits
Shandy is not beer
From an outsiders perspective I think he's a good coach X's & O's wise. I'll be curious to see if Larry Johnson sticks around and/or who he brings in to handle the defense. But, the real curiosity is how his program will recruit. Meyer has averaged a top 5 class during his 7 year tenure. Only Bama has been better during that span. It would be unprecedented in the modern to continue to put together another 7-year span at that level, but I think recruiting will be the main thing folks are curios if he can maintain.
Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.
I'm not sure about Day.Haskins and the receivers made him look good and their gone after this year i'm taking a wait and see attitude
I would love to see Coach Day accompany Dwayne (and Urban) at the Heisman ceremony. Send a little message to future recruits--this is what you should expect at Ohio State.
Ryan seems to be a good coach but my question is, can he recruit?
Good luck to Coach Day and I'm glad he has Urb's endorsement. It remains to be seen, though, if Coach Day has what it really takes to be a numero uno, top echelon college head coach. That's pretty rarefied air. Just not many Saban's, UFM's out there. We shall see. Buckeyes expect nothing but the best, I hope Day can deliver.
Not a fan of the move. OSU is not a starter gig.
That said, Gene forgot to call me before making the decision. So all I can do is accept it, support Day and hope he's up to the gargantuan task of meeting the expectations Meyer has set in Columbus.
Neither are Clemson and Oklahoma and that has worked well
Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.
Or Georgia with Kirby Smart.
Or Georgia with Kirby Smart.
Clemson was not an elite job and those fans suffered through 29-19 Dabo's first 4 years. (Plus, they didn't have a lot of choices that first half season after firing Bowden mid-season.) OSU is a much better gig than Clemson back then and I don't think OSU fans would put up with that record.
At Okie, the incoming coach inherited the QB who went on to win the Heisman and everybody else (staff) stayed in place. However, you could be right on that front.
UGA is clearly a point toward your argument.
Purely an ignorant move by Ohio State in this.
OSU kept rolling after Woody was fired. OSU survived after Tressel was fired. OSU will keep rolling with Day.
All is good.
Thankful we don't have to deal with lifelong coaches hanging on too long like Beamer, Paterno, and Bowden. This is the perfect shakeup moving on. Revitalizes a team that has been blown out a few times in recent years. New blood is a good thing.
I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people.
But as Earle said;
Ask me on Nov. 30, 2019.
at about 4:00 PM.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
This is going to sound bizarre, but one small reason why I am confident in Day's ability to succeed at tOSU, is b/c he was offered the job last year at Mississippi State, of all places. The Bulldogs have a very smart AD/athletic department, and don't play the normal SEC good ol' boy/coordinator of the week carousel w/ their coaching hires, in all sports. They identify the best national talent available-from a coaching pov-not just bagman cruitin' connetions, and consistently outkick the coverage in program performance.They saw something in Day last year-and that is an excellent sign.
Beating TTUN must remain priority #1, failing to grasp that goal is grasping failure. I am hopeful and optimistic Coach Day is successful, I hope the staff and players support him and I hope he has a long and successful career here. GO BUCKS!!!
It may come in time, but Day doesn't have the charisma or seemingly the confidence that I have seen in other head coaches.
Now all the pretenders ( friends that were on staff ) can be cleaned out and replaced with competent coaching, bring back Kerry Coombs as defensive coordinator
Ya I do,Gene Smith wanted to keep the continuity.The HC was leaving but the Program wasn't broken.If the program cleaned house the recruits except for the diehards would have walked.Day is on a lot of programs short list.I love that MM is staying on as strength & conditioning coach.The one coach I was thinking about was Matt Campbell at Iowa State.And Day is reputed to be a great recruiter.When Bobby Bowden left Fla.St.Jimbo Fisher stepped right in and they didn't miss a beat - so it can be done.Stoops-Riley as previously noted has so far worked pretty good
And say what you will about Gene Smith, but he hired Matta, Urban, and Holtmann ... knowing when it was time for Thad to go.
I'd like to remind everyone how excited Ryan's son got when NPF committed...
You think RJ is all in??? pic.twitter.com/mQCURv2mP0
— Ryan Day (@ryandaytime) February 9, 2018
They're a buckeye family.
Well we'll find out if Day is his own man.Next season if Schiano is still on the staff half way thru the season he can send him packing like Riley did to Stoops
I like the hire because he is offensive minded. Put a staff together on defense that you can trust to recruit, develop and scheme. I am wondering what his staff will look like on offense.
I feel very confident about Coach Day considering he has been working with one of the all time great coaches the last 2 years. Coach Meyer didn't pick his name out of a hat. He saw something very good about Ryan Day when he hired him.
No. Unproven head coach, Unproven recruiter..... Recruits will flock away from the program based on how this was handled. They were essentially lied to all season with being told Urban was coming back. How do you walk in as a coach now and say ohh by the way that coach who we told you was going to be here isnt here any more. But look here is another guy who we think might be good but we dont really know. The job should have been opened to see if any big names wanted in. That the only way to save recruiting for the next 3-4 cycles. As it is right now I do not see this being a long term solution to the current problem. To everyone who is jolly ho about the hire just wait till were looking at multiple 8-4 7-5 seasons with losses to our rivals and then you would have wished this hire would have been slow played.
What would you have wanted Urban to do...announce it in the early/middle part of the season? The team would have imploded, never mind the recruits!
"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir
Our recruiting is about to take a huge nose dive folks and the decommits have already begun . If you thought it was hard to compete with the Bamas and Clemson's now just wait till we aren't getting the 5 star athletes and high 4 stars and our recruiting classes start finishing around 9th or 10th in the country. We will be hard pressed to win the big ten let alone win national titles against Bama or Clemson and making the playoffs. Will we continue to get some good recruit's yes but nothing like the past 7 years. Urban is the top 1 or 2 recruiter in the country and without him these recruiting classes are going to fall dramatically.
" we play to win the game "
I'll wait to give a full endorsement until a few things happen. Those things are what Day does with the defensive staff after the season and ultimately what is OSU looking like after next season as a team. The schedule next year sets up perfectly for Day to be very successful so there will be no margin for error..
I'm cautiously optimistic.
A member of Urban's staff has replaced him at all four of his coaching stops. So far the least disastrous has been Kyle Wittingham at Utah. He's been on and off the hot seat multiple times, but has managed to hang around to this day.
Mrs. Day be like..................................
I do not like this hire. In my opinion, they are gambling with this hire. Taking a guy that has not been a head coach in college (those 3 games do not count) and that has not demonstrated that he can be successful is very risky. If you think about it, they did not interview anyone for the position; the job is a top a tier position and they did not interview any one else?
When I was listening to Day speak at the beginning of the year, he did not sound like a head coach to me. Specifically, he was asked questions regarding the defense and basically just diverted them to Schiano. In my opinion, when you are the head coach, you need to be cognizant of everything that is going on. Therefore, when problems arise, you can fix them.
I was not a huge fan of the idea either, but unless your name is Gene Smith or your last donation to OSU had 6 zeroes to the left of the decimal place nobody cares.
All we can do is support the man (and team) and hope for the best. Go Bucks!
PS. I'm sure you'll get hammered with votes, but I won't be one of them.
This hire felt too rushed and quite frankly it was not a splash hire. I think we are going to know very quickly if this hire was good. First, if recruiting takes a hit in 2020, then that is a bad sign. Also, Day is going to be under a microscope because he is not well-known and revered in the buckeye community. People are not going to be patient with him as they would be with a top-tier coach. If the team looks dysfunctional next (e.g., linebacker play, penalties, secondary play) year like they did this year, that is not going to look well. He is going to need to fix those problems pretty quickly because he likely wont have Haskins bailing him out.
Frankly I would have liked to seen Fick get his shot. He has turned UC into a monster in just a few seasons. I also would have been happy to see Dantonio. I Really would like to see OSU replace Meyer with a X&O coach, something Meyer was not. I do worry about the recruiting drop we are certain to take.
scUM will now have a HUGE recruiting advantage over OSU with Meyer gone.
Theire is only one truth...
I wish Urban Meyer would have stayed but, his health is more important. I hope I do not see him back in the coaching ranks and he stays true to staying close to the Athletic program at Ohio State. I do some how believe that he will return somewhere. I just think he is to young and he will get the itch again. We will see on that. I do like the hire of Coach Day. I believe he has been next coach up and he knew it for a while. I do know he is a great OC. I hope it continues into the head coaching role. I think he learned a lot under Urban Meyer and so, I trust he will be succesful.
After a few hours of thinking about the decision, I still believe it's the right move, right now. Campbell is the hot name, but to me that's it, just a name. Days proven he can win here, under some of the biggest pressure.
For those questioning if he gets the rivalry, the guy just hung 55 points on ttun (special teams score not included) I would venture to say he gets it
When Day passed up a big time SEC gig last year, it was writing on the wall that this was going to happen sooner rather than later. I am completely satisfied with the pick as it was one they made over time. I would have liked Matt Campbell as well but I think Day is who we need to breathe some fire into this program while keeping the continuity in the staff and program (with some changes to staff, here's looking at you Bill Davis and Stud)
"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI
I don't think I can guage just yet. Let's see what he does with the coaching staff, then I'll have a better idea. Day is unproven so we have no history to go on to make a judgement. I would have preferred they interview for the job, and see who was interested. It would have been nice to give some of my favorites a chance, Dantonio, Fleck, Fick, Vrable, Brohm, Campbell, Mike Houston, Jason Candle, Neal Brown, Scott Satterfield and maybe even that new old coach in Wyoming, forgot his name, he won all those championships at North Dakota State. I'm sure there are others, but my point is, they should have opened it up, and took their time. This was rushed, and there was no need to be.
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra
Before the angry mob gets the pitchforks and torches out if Day doesn't go undefeated and win a Natty next year, I would like to gently remind everyone of the following :
Wes Fessler, 1st year and tOSU coaching legend, 1947 2-6-1
Woody Hayes, 1st year. .. you may have heard of him, 1951 4-3-2
John Cooper, 1st year. . . not big on rivalry games, 1988 4-6-1
Jim Tressel, 1st year, senator from Ohio 2001 7-5
Luke Fickell, 1st year interim, HC of University of Cincinnati now, 2011 6-7
Let's go easy on the new guy eh?
Urban's effect on the culture at the OSU cannot be understated... Urban brought a method to his coaching, a high-standard of recruiting, and an overall no-nonsense vision to the program. And, considering Day's inexperience as a head coach, and his time as an assistant under Urban, the high-standards of Urban's culture should continue to have a strong influence.
I like the hire... it adds consistency during a coaching transition, maintains the exceptional culture, and hopefully keeps the recruiting model in place.
Day is in a position to change some of the coaches that Urban was obviously struggling to part ways with (Davis), continue to improve and attract highly rated recruits to a high-powered offensive scheme that appears to be in the direction of the new NFL (i.e Rams)... and he knows how to beat ttun.