Because this hasn’t been discussed enough.
“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day
I think the point is that losing the best player in college football had a negative effect on the defense. Clemson got a pass from the committee for dropping a game to a 4-8 team (at home) because their QB was hobbled. I didn't hear the committee mention losing our best defensive player one time this season. OSU is apparently graded by a set of rules that apply only to them.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
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literally not a single time
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
Living in the present, even if just tired of pissing and moaning about what's already transpired (take a look around the forum).
It ended abruptly, but Nick Bosa had a very good run while it lasted. Yet it's great to read the impact he had on his teammates - I think it would be awesome for him to join the team in Pasadena and show his support.
[chuckle]. I’m pissing and moaning? Hardly. He moved on. It was what it was. Part of the game.
Didn't respond to your comment, nor mention you at all. My comment happened to post shortly after yours.
Moving on...novel concept.
Hence the ? Todo bien mi amigo.
Milk of the spilt variety.
Never place a bet on anything that can talk.
I don't understand the entire I have to leave school even if I can't play to get healthy for the pros. Why not continue to go to class and utilize the state of the art healing facilities and doctors The Ohio State offers to get ready for the pros and still be around the team?
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
Columbus vs LA probably a bit to do with it...plus Joey probably has a "trainer" who they trust (not saying they don't trust Mickey and the staff, just putting in my opinion).
The fact that the Bosas felt Nick would be in better hands else where for his recovery tells you Ohio States PT team isn't as good as it should be I.e. the best.
Maybe the injury was more serious than they put out?
What more needs to be said? Recovery time was 10-12 weeks which depending on when the clock started would be around this week. Certainly no one would expect him to chance an injury before the draft for anything other than the "Game" or the playoffs. Losing him exposed the back 7 of our defense which is good for the long term outlook of this team. At least our starting safeties are getting good experience for 2019. Next year's mantra should be "Tackling 2019", so maybe we teach tackling before the season starts this time around.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
I won't jump to that same conclusion, steel.
It is obvious that both Bosas' time spent at Ohio State was in preparation for the NFL -- nothing more, nothing less. A stepping stone to the real goal. To a large extent, that is what any college student is seeking out of their college experience. But in this case, Bosa's leaving left a permanent impression on the team. Despite (and I have posted this before) all of the public instragram or twitter comments, my guess is, that for every player publically cheering on their "bro", someone else had a more negative opinion, but just did not share it, for fear of looking like an asshole. Anyone who thinks these kids (and their coaches) were uniform in their support of Bosa is really being naive, IMHO.
The Bosa story is relevant now that the season is over and for the fact that the Defense on this team, except for a decent showing vs. TCU and a good showing vs. Penn State, was the reason this team did not achieve its goals, and why Ohio State football looked more like Oklahoma State this season. Some or much of this can be blamed on scheme.....and even more of it, arguably, on the impact of losing a leader, who although injured, simply said, "see ya". Some things are tougher to accept and talk about....than others.
IDK man, Braxton and JT recovered pretty quickly. I'd say it was more of an opportunity to rehab with his brother and learn about the NFL life while getting paid by an agent and running through a ridiculous string of Cali girls. Now that I am saying this I can't say as though I blame him, he might've regretted not playing in the playoff (had we made it) though.
Knowing a few people who have graduated from Ohio State's PT program, as well as many others that WISHED they could have gotten in, I can assure you that the physical therapy program at The Ohio State University is every bit as good as it should be.
Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.
If he stayed in school, he would have to be pretty much self reliant in "home life". He would need to spend many hours a day going to class because he would need to maintain full time status as a scholarship player. Oh, yeah, had to attend class, learn, study, do homework and assignments, study for exams, submit projects, etc to pass those classes... doing the student part of the student athlete. Then he would have to do his rehab time.... Oh, let's not forget the he better be at practice showing his leadership and be a brother to the brotherhood, otherwise, he's a punk and abandoned his brothers because he's not there providing this mythical mojo that his physical presence brings.
Because he officially left school, his "home life" has options of being taken care of without NCAA violations. He doesn't have to worry about hours of studying, classes, projects, etc. His focus is solely on rehab and his physical health. The resources and network Joey has as a professional athlete is at least equal if not better than at OSU because it doesn't have restrictions under NCAA.
Its not like he abandoned the team. He is not out there rejecting phone calls and stuff from his brothers when they call. People respond as if he completely cut ties to anything OSU and actively rejects anything/anyone OSU because he withdrew from classes this semester.
Did you read the article, watch how Meyer responded to the Bosa question during his Q&A w the media, or read what dremont jones said About the matter? If you did, you would realise that Bosa had an outsized impact on the team on and off the field, physically and mentally.
Go back and listen to what Meyer said and how he said it.
Yes. nick bosa quit the team. As a person, one can accept or support his decision AND at the same time, as a FAN of the team, thinks that his action was selfish and not reflective of team spirit and whatnot. These two views are not mutually exclusive.
I'd be curious to know if a NFL Scout poses the question, Why did you leave the team, or why did you leave your teammates?
If they asked someone if their mother was a hooker they will most assuredly ask the above question. Probably just to see how he reacts and responds to it. It might even be worded like "Why did you quit on your teammates and school?!" just to see if he is easily pissed off.
TRUST ME!! Scouts don’t see this as quitting! With the magnitude of the injury, they TOTALLY understand. Without question or hesitation.
scouts have huuuge self interest. they couldn't care less about your school or teammates.
You guys may want to re-watch Meyer’s talk to the youngsters Ramzy used in his last Situational
yes. they have a huge self interest in ensuring that you don't quit on their team AFTER they have spent USD50Millions drafting you because of some minor injury.
Oh I am sure they don't care. I just figured they would try to push his buttons a bit to see what his reaction is.
Easy to understand, he didn't like going to class. Heck he could have tanked his classes, stayed with his team doing what a captain does. What does he do instead. Moves to San Diego and hangs out with his brother. No mention of the great Doctors and rehabbing he's getting there.
Instead, he leaves school and his teammates when? Two days before the Purdue game. Hmmm???
Me either, +1
John Bosa, the father pulled all the strings regarding Nick leaving the OSU football team. Nick should have stayed and given encouragement from however he could to support his fellow soldiers/teammates/brothers. You don't leave your brothers.
I think it would be doing the team a huge disservice. You left, you’re gone. No way.
Sometimes we forget these are just young men learning to become men in front of us.
Gracious take. A man and a captain would have been more supportive of his team....and Bosa certainly could have done that. IMO. Hopefully he “learned” from this.
Learned what exactly? He did what was BEST for his career. 98% of us would have done what his parents did and get him THE BEST medical help available and prepare to be the #1 pick in the draft. Don’t give us the “he quit” garbage
Exactly. Not sure why the dv's. It's easy to say he should of stayed when the people saying it are making 60k a year
Love couch potato coaches
Therein lies the whole problem with sports and athletes these days.... it all comes down to money. Bosa's staying wouldn't have cost him a dime. It's costing him something priceless... maturity.
It's not a lie if YOU believe it
You’re damn right it’s about the money and your ABSOLUTELY wrong about “not costing him a dime.” Damaged goods would have costs him MILLIONS.....literally. Where do you get that?
I didn't say he had to play.... I said staying didn't cost him a dime, which is true.
Yet Knox put off surgery to be on the sideline for the championship. He too could have taken the route of what was best for him and get his recovery moving forward a week earlier but chose not to. Each one is entitled to their choices but when you are a leader (and a good one) you put others ahead of yourself. You take the heat when things go bad, you distribute the praise to others when things go well. Financially the Bosas do not appear to have any issues. We do not know everything that went down but it feels that the idea of staying in school and being with the team was not given much of a chance. Their decision but let's not act like there was not a high amount of "personal" in the decision and "team" along with "leader" had little consideration.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Knox put off surgery seven days for the B1G championship game -- if he'd suffered that injury against Sparty, he wouldn't have waited.
We do not know everything that went down but it feels that the idea of staying in school and being with the team was not given much of a chance.
Bosa stayed with the team for 3 weeks after his injury before deciding to focus on his post-OSU plan. And he wasn't coming back on the field until (at earliest) the bowl game. Seems like there was some thought given to the options.
And let's be honest: the Buckeyes still would have lost at Purdue, which still would have kept them out of the CFP. (While I'm sure Bosa can be a motivator to the D-line, they weren't the only problem in that game, and I doubt any pep talk he could have given would've been worth 30 points.)
A lot of people may be missing the point about the impact of someone like bosa on the team. Both on the field, psychologically and emotionally.
Meyer and the rest of the team are giving lipservice and standard answers. But if you watch and listen to Meyer carefully, he wasn’t too happy about him quitting. He obviously can’t share his real feelings because he still has to go out and recruit. Likewise w players. They can’t be seen or heard as non team players.
That may well be true. And for the sake of argument let's say it is 100% true. Do you really think that Meyer's and/or the team's bitterness/resentment/disappointment/whatever in Bosa's decision is the reason why Ohio State got clobbered by Purdue? Because more than anything -- and regardless what the CFP spokesman says -- that is the reason why OSU is not in the playoffs.
You're right that Meyer is being careful, diplomatic, whatever word you choose. That just makes sense that he wants to show future Buckeye families that he supports them and their kids. What am I watching or listening for that is going to show me that he's unhappy with Bosa "quitting"? (and by unhappy, I'm assuming you mean he disapproves and is not just disappointed).
I think you're projecting a bit.
It might not have mattered against Purdue, but the fact that he did quit showed the culture/leadership void that existed on this team. There were no leaders on this defense. It showed week in, week out. A captain leaving didn't help that fact.
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
On the loss to Purdue. His presence in any game is a game changer. His ejection from the Iowa game was our demise.
Knox and Bosa are two totally separate scenarios. Not even in the same hemisphere.
I did not realize that there was a specific amount of time that makes their decisions different. Both have no more eligibility, both are looking to move on to the NFL. The only differentiator I see is where each is likely to be drafted and therefore how much money is on the table.
And no one knows if Knox would have made the same decision if the injury happened earlier in the season and if it did if there was the possibility of him returning for the bowl game and then if he would have passed on it.
What I do see as a difference, and part of it is simply how much one of them is more naturally gifted, is that Bosa in his career needed Ohio State less than Knox did. So since we are all playing the guessing game I would say that Knox has a stronger feeling of obligation and gratefulness than Bosa does. Do not take it that Bosa is ungrateful, it is that the level of gratefulness I believe is different.
Maybe he is not really a leader
Don’t be so appeasing. He left his team Mid season in search of his own fortunes. It was his right to do so and It may have been the right thing for him. but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do. There is one thing that weighs more than millions of dollars And that is regret.
He quit the team. That’s a fact. As a fan, that’s not acceptable. As a person, I can see and understand why he did it. But I dont have to support it. These things are not mutually exclusive.
You consider yourself a “fan” when this this is about a health issue and about how it hurt results on the field? What if it were were your nephew or son? With a straight face you wouldn’t do what’s best for him?
Wrong, 84.7% of us parents would have suggested that he stay in school, make use of the medical care that comes with the hard earned scholly and remain active with the school. 61.4% of us parents would then have him ready himself for the April draft with a cheat code program starting in January. Only 12.6% of us could have afforded to do anything different though perhaps 39% might have considered taking out a loan to pay for it.
Upvote consistent with your s/ post. Good to not take this SO SERIOUS!
again, the most valuable player on the team, a captain. Left his team, left the brotherhood 2 days before Ohio State's only loss of the season. THAT will be his legacy at Ohio State.
No it won’t be his legacy for 98% of us. Maybe you but not a majority.
Why was it best for him t leave? BS! I seriously doubt there are better athletic Doctors, physical training and rehabbing facilities than there are at Ohio State. Coach Mick is at Ohio State. If he stayed to the end of the year there would have still been FOUR months to prepare for the combine.
Where is he now? In San Diego hanging out with his brother.
Ohio State is great but not top of the line or near his doctor.
Is his Doctor in San Diego, also hanging out with the Bosa brothers?
Don't blame him at all for what he did, and I'm pretty sure anybody in his shoes would have done the same. Thank you Nick for being a great buckeye, even tho it was cut short.
He could have been a great Buckeye. But he quit. No team should ever honor someone who quit to seek a greater fortune. That’s the trade off. He made his choice.
Quitters don’t and shouldn’t be honoured. Unless you’re assuming that guys like Favre, Brady, Montana, etc...has never played hurt before and only decided to play when they are 100% healthy. Sit out a few games, half a season, or the whole season. You know...to “protect their playing career”. Or why play if you’re hurt and there’s no chance of making the playoffs, or it was just a non meaningful game? You know...to “protect” your playing career.
Don't know why he hasn't been taken off the official roster yet.
Excellent point, Ishi. I wouldn’t be surprised at all, if sometime in a decade or two, Nick Bosa doesn’t express a little regret for not finishing out the season with his brothers. Sometimes it takes time and experience to understand that you’re only part of a college team once in your life. Then it becomes a job, which can suck a lot of the fun out of the ‘game.’
"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott
I've been thinking that since he left. Once you have live the fame and fortune of the NFL and it wears off a bit, I think some start looking back and wondering about some of their decisions. I'm sure his father had his foot in his back ( I probably would have also) and maybe Joey. I can't help thinking that he looked unhappy about something on the sideline after he got hurt.
I don't think it takes a decade or two... Nick probably felt regret a week or two after the injury that he wasn't able to finish out the season.
Well said. He probably regreted having to make the decision while he was thinking about it. As you said earlier he had a major surgery and a variety of competing and conflicting roles.
The fact of the matter he is a top 3 draft choice no matter what...moving to the good life in Cali was a lifestyle choice more than a medical one. His injury was a fairly common one and he will be back to 100% with the surgery a half year before the first nfl pre-season game.
He sure as hell woulda wanted to play in our smackdown of Michigan. Perhaps if the doctors had said he would be ok by Michigan he woulda stuck around.
Ishi: couldn't help but sight in on your handle. Are you a fellow traditional archer?
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Yep. Switched over about 10 years ago. You?
I've done both. Loved shooting 3D. Have owned Martin compound bows; did a little hunting with them. I've got a couple of recurves: a 48# Groves Flame Hunter and a 55# Bear Kodiak Magnum.
My late old man was an accomplished archer. His license plates read "ISHI." So I knew the story.
Would have loved to met your father. I love shooting the old Bear bows. Own several. Not sure of your age but I shot at west campus a lot while a student. Early 80's. Had a great group of guys.
Business and money > The Brotherhood
That said, if I was in his position and had the same choice in front of me, I would have done exactly the same.
I don’t think Nick’s future as a professional can be simplified to just “business & money” & brotherhood goes both ways, hence why we’ve heard nothing but support from his “brothers”.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
Of course you've heard nothing but "brotherhood" from his teammates. Would you be the outlier at 20 yrs old in a society where every little thing you say or do is on video or social media and scrutinized by everybody with a keyboard or phone? I doubt it. I guarantee there are a more than a few of his so called "brothers" who aren't impressed with his decision making.
Maybe, or maybe as his “brothers” they understand the amount of work he’s put in & what’s at stake for him & thus support his decision.
What's at stake by staying in school and still being a member of the team even with an injury? What's at stake by standing on the sidelines in games and in the huddles at practice and coaching up the guys who need some guidance and extra eyes on their technique and effort? I don't see what he loses by acting like the captain that his "brothers" voted him to be.
Based on the interviews I heard with Papa Bosa, I think the answer is: "Daddy's love"
You do realize he would still have to attend classes, take exams & handle his responsibilities as a student right? This wasn’t just about being around the program, but that’s shows how narrow your perspective is. Away from school he can focus purely on his rehab, having already suffered a major injury & watching his brother do the same, he decided to focus on doing what’s best for him. Brotherhood is a two way street & his brothers recognized that & supported him through a tough decision.
Baloney - he could have spent the practice time doing his rehab at the Center.
remember the definition of Brotherhood...
...where the least of the brothers must sacrifice everything to support the one that don't need it. .
...where the injured must help the healthy.
Maybe folks like you feel this way because the millions and millions that he will make seems so tempting compared to potentially losing it is too high of a risk. The seductive power and influence of money can be blinding and overpowering.
Hadn't thought about this aspect of it, or the timing of his departure. I don't think his presence would have changed the outcome of the Purdue game, but it would be interesting to go back and see if the team responds better and dominates the rest of the schedule with him still around, leading his unit and the rest of the defense as well. I'd bet we would finish the season a little stronger.
Im in the minority (dont fucking care what anyone thinks) but he was a Captain and abandoned his team. Do not fault him for protecting his future millions. I DO fault him for leaving his team behind. I mean they all voted him Captain right? They were counting on him and he left. That would bother me if I were an OSU player. He couldnt rehab at the WHAC or in a place like Indianapolis or Cleveland where he could stop in and visit the team from time to time?
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
There is no I in team. Wait you may have heard that somewhere in the past......
I believe he would have been back by Michigan State. Needed him for Purdue. Water under the bridge at this point. Time to find the next great de for the buckeyes.
Where did you hear that?
I've only heard commenters say that. From his dad, who I believe would lean the other way, said december at the earliest. Answer was probably sometime in late november but I wouldn't be surprised if it carried some elevated risk for re-injury. IMO, he wasn't going to be playing in the regular season whether he left school or not.
IBSAG - Couldn’t agree more. He moved on. We moved on. Team had to move on.
Completely agree with everything except your cursing.
And we don’t fucking care what you think either. He has a one in a million opportunity in front of him. So go ahead and moan about him being a quitter if that makes you feel better. YOU are the SELFISH one. #clueless
Are you his agent, father, or do you get a share of his millions? So as a fan of the team, you celebrate a captain that quits the team? Is this really your logic or you just wanted to demonstrate some sort of higher magnanimity than those who disagree w you? Not sure how expecting a captain to not quit his team is being selfish. Isn’t the quitter the selfish one?
He left in his best interest for his health and recovery. What’s wrong with that? You wouldn’t do the same with your son?
Some of you are just 100% selfish and it’s quite pathetic that you look at him as a quitter. Sad sad sad
We look at him as a quitter because he literally quit. But keep on making personal attacks on those who follow the facts, just because they don't follow your opinion.
Without the fans Bosa would be nothing (either at OSU or in the NFL).
So staying in school and being a teammate and a Captain would've jeopardized his millions? Please enlighten me how that's remotely logical.
Yep, and 30 years from now, when the former captain's breakfast is taking place before some random regular season game and Bosa isn't a part of that, or when this B1G title team and Rose Bowl champion reunites to reminisce and Bosa isn't a part of that, he'll regret the way he handled it. I struggle to understand his behavior, but he's 21, so that's probably a part of it. His dad, on the other hand, advising him to just pack up on a weekday and walk out the door is dumbfounding. It was a poor, selfish decision which was completely unbefitting an Ohio State captain.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Not even close to the same thing, but I had a HS senior, team captain declared academically ineligible theee games into an 18 game season. They were so embarrassed they never addressed the team and never came back to practice. I know they’ll regret it forever.
Your college experience is extremely finite and fleeting. Enjoy the hell out of every single moment. Because when your game becomes a job, it’s never going to be as much fun.
I could not agree more. I’m just tired of this “me” generation
What is ironic is all the fans who are personalizing and ruminating over the personal decisions of a young man they never met who owes them nothing.
Talk about "me"...
It's an issue with implications larger than that, norcal. No offense, but I think you are over-simplifying this -- as are many who are criticizing Bosa as well.
Someone posted a comment which really hit the nail on the head when this whole episode revealed itself several months back. As Fans of the team, we have a right to be pissed if someone does something that’s not good for the team. Anyone, especially a captain, quitting the team can be construed as being not good for the team. But we can also be human beings and be understanding of his decision, but we don’t have to support it by projecting his situation onto ourselves and personalising it as if we are the ones who have the opportunity to make millions and those not supporting us are our enemies.
You have a right to be pissed at whomever you choose, but it's pretty silly when we're not members of the athletic program or even "shareholders" of a professional team. They're amateur athletes on a team that 99% of us are just fans of without direct ties to team itself.
Silliness the keystone of fandom.
Right there with you. Everyone wants to make money in life and of course its never guaranteed. Some things are more important than money. Most will say family, faith, etc. But the chance to play for championships in a game you LOVE is right up there too. Even if he wasnt healthy for Purdue his presence could have helped...maybe we lose by less than 10. Then where would we be today? What if he played 1/2 game versus TTUN and 3/4 game versus NW? Is the committee gonna leave tOSU out knowing the best defensive player in the game is gonna be 100%? Who knows but I think we would be in and I think we would mop Bama.
Losing Bosa makes this a different team on defense.
Media gave it small reference, or none at all.
He was a playmaker, solid on the line, and apparently a team leader as well.
A big hole is still there on this defense that has not been fully compensated.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
Like the media would throw positives our way....
Therein lies the biggest problem. If this happened to an SEC team, it would have been a mitigating factor and used to handicap them.
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If an SEC team lost Nick Bosa they would have moved up in the CFP rankings after a loss
SEC = where a loss is half a win
B1G = where a win by 20+ pts is half a loss
It's only going to get worse since Dremont Jones is leaving early for the draft.
Gotta respect his decision... don't have to be happy about it, but Nick was a great Buckeye and has the right to steer his own ship. I wish him the very best... may he and Joey have successful careers, find the love of their lives, and produce many future Buckeyes.
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
I don't think we have to respect it or be happy about it. We can accept it. Or acknowledge the sense it made financially, but I don't have to respect him leaving his team.
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
The asshurt one must have to DV this. “Yes, you MUST respect it! Accepting it is not enough!”
Respect? Kinda hard to give that to someone who quit, no? Let’s just start and finish with trying to understand and accept.
Joey Bosa? Yeah. He’s earned his respect from the fans.
I think he made the best decision for his future to not play, but as a captain and a team leader he should have at least stayed with the team for support. That disappointed me a bit. Even with his departure the defensive line was still the best unit on the defense and had some phenomenal games.
Why? And not get the best medical attention money can buy?
Apparently according to all the dv I received earlier people feel OSU provides the best medical treatment in the country
You're assuming that the best medical care is in San Diego. That's quite a coincidence that his brother happens to live there. I would assume that Ohio State has some of the best physicians and trainers in the country. Maybe we're both wrong.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
One would think an advantage of a human committee over a computer model would be recognizing the impact of losing the #1 pick in the draft and it taking a while for the defense to adjust in his absence. Obviously wishful thinking and water under the bridge but it irritated me all season the rhetoric of "what is wrong w/ OSU's defense?" as if every team wouldn't skip a beat losing literally the best player in college football and still going 12-1....
Leadership on a team is paramount and Nick provided that is a big way. His departure hurt a lot. That said, when a void is left, it needs to be filled and that is where others need to step up and I believe Dre'mont did his best to do that.
Sure, Nick leaving was a blow, but he's not the one who took 10 weeks to find a decent safety, nor has he tolerated abysmal LB play for an entire season-plus. The coaching staff needed to manage the situation. I refuse to blame Bosa. The problems with the defense rest at the doorstep of the defensive staff, not some kid who decided to drop out of school. Because, you know, he was a student and not a highly paid professional with shitloads of experience.
Nick Bosa would have been fun to watch for a full season this year even if we ended up losing every damn game. the time has passed to question his motives, worry about his injury or play what ifs but the whole foundation for any ones opinions positive or negative was Nicks greatness as a player.
Since he wasn’t playing, Nick was told to leave the team by Urban Meyer.
- Brett McMurphy
Get busy living.
I respect Bosa's decision to do whats best for him long term financially.
But, couldnt he have bought an insurance policy to do this while he is playing in college?
Im really curious if anyone in here has specific knowledge about this.
It’s not about the money. It’s about the surgery and rehab.
So lets assume its about a $50M payday. I would still like an answer.
Unless something has changed those insurance policies don't come anywhere close to replacing the potential lost earnings of a top five draft pick not to mention that polices like those often have a lot of fine print when it comes to collecting. If you are playing for money do it right and go to the NFL. Don't play college ball with an insurance policy thinking that is the same thing.
I thought (guessing) those insurance policies are pretty lucrative for a potential #1 draft pick. Like I said, I have all the respect in the world for Nick Bosa. He is and always will be a great Buckeye.
Was just curious about it, given it sounds like the wave of the future that is going to happen every year.
The policies pay out far less than the lost earnings. Look at Jaylon Smith: projected top pick plays in a bowl game (against The Local Team), blows out his knee and falls to the second round. He signs a 4-year deal worth $6,494,970, including a $2,923,615 signing bonus, Meanwhile, Jared Goff went #1 overall. He signed a 4-year deal worth $27.9 million, along with an $18.6 million signing bonus. No insurance policy is going to cover the lost salary as a result of that fall. Leonard Fournette had a $10M policy, and even that wouldn't cover Smith's loss. How much was Smith's policy worth? Only $700,000.
The maximum payout for football players is ten million lifetime (each sport's maximum is its own, and while basketball and football maximums are the same there isn't one max amount for all athletes). I believe the higher your draft projection the bigger the policy you can purchase. In football, only those with round one or round two draft grades are eligible for the policy. The premiums are paid for by the athlete, but via a loan provided by the NCAA. These policies, if you end up crippled, seem to provide a ten million dollar maximum lifetime payout for healthcare, private nursing, vehicle modifications, home modifications, et al. Smith was not totally disabled, and his payout, as mentioned above, was 700k. He paid 55k in premiums and I think his payout amount was subtracted from his rookie contract's total value (negotiated contract was 7.2 million, but the contract signed was 6.5 million, or 700k less). In addition, I believe his second contract, which will be huge, will require him to pay back a portion of the money he received. The policies, like the VAST majority of insurance, seem to be extremely limited, tremendously complicated by design, and will not cover one's projected income loss as a first or second round pick in the NFL. They seem to exist to take SOME of the sting out of injuries like the ones Jake Butt or Jaylon Smith suffered, but they do not appear to be a winning lottery ticket that sets up the player for life who blew out his knee and will never be able to play professional football.
His brother made it sound like it was about the money. Joey compared it to hitting the lottery and said it would be dumb to risk an injury.
At Ohio State it is and always will be "Next man up". Tagovailoa goes out for Bama in the SEC championship game and the next guy comes in and wins the game. Same at OSU with Miller->Barrett->Jones. No excuses. Attributing any loss or season outcome on a single player is a disservice to the others on the team. As Buckeyes, it's our expectation to replace a "Joey" with a "Nick" and that is usually the case. The program is at a point where it's "problems" are keeping up with the yearly loss of underclassmen to the NFL, narrowly missing the CFP and going to the Rose Bowl instead, not winning games by enough points and potentially ruining its "rivalry" game because it's no longer a rivalry due to OSU domination.
Enjoy the "problems" we have as OSU fans and know that 13 othe B1G teams would kill to have the same.
Agreed with everything you said. Except, Nick didn’t get seriously hurt and couldn’t play for the rest of the season. He decided to quit over a minor injury. The keyword being quit. He had a year of eligibility left. He could have come back next year.
Minor injury? It required surgery to repair and months of rehabilitation. Just because an injury is not career threating does not make it minor with regard to the length of time needed to regain playing status. And why in God's name would a projected top five pick come back next year. The injury was to his abdomen not his brain. College football is about playing for a degree, he doesn't need the degree. Coming back next season would be an inane business decision.
Now anyone who leaves with eligibility on the table is a quitter too?!?! So have you dumped on Haskins yet, or are you waiting for his declaration to be official? Did you dump all over Joey and the (literal) dozens of other Buckeyes who have left school early? And all because you feel aggrieved you didn't get to watch him in an OSU jersey again??
You’re right, we do have a next man up mentality. We started Cooper and Young and while they weren’t Bosa, they played well. But leadership is different. You can’t just “change leaders” that’s not how it works. Braxton could have did the exact same thing in 2014, to leave the team and prepare for the draft. But he didn’t, because he was a captain. Knox, while not a captain, could have left too. But he stayed, and I guarantee you’ll see him with the team up through the Rose Bowl.
Plain and simple: most people aren’t mad Nick isn’t playing, we understand and the ones who don’t are ignorant. BUT, Nick quit on this team and his brothers. Meyer and the players are never going to talk bad about him to the media, but this article just goes to show how bad this team misses the leadership of this “Captain.” You don’t quit on your team.
Hey let’s tear off a scab and pour salt in it.
It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.
I heard Urban in his presser say the team would see him in Pasadena.
Everybody wants to be heard, and the easiest way to be the loudest is to be the hater
I think Nick Bosa tweeted that out
He did, but Urban actually said it in his presser, aside from the tweet.
Let's see, losing the very presence of the best fb player in America and THEE Captain and leader of the defense days before your only loss, a program and Head Coach accused unjustly of racism , a great Head Coach barred from Seeing his team for the first 5 weeks of practice...THEE most important time for team evaluation and planning, a Head Coach(and his wife) attacked unjustly by a frenzied, out of control media with no backing from the gutless administration and BOT. To me the wonder of it all ...Big Ten Champs...Crushed scUM...6th in country(we know better)...Smiling, watching a great QB and Zone 6. Almost a miracle!!!!!
Yes, yes, & YES! So much agreed!
a lot of 'psychology' 'going on here'... as always.
Including... 'all the usual suspects'.
So, it all comes down to answering this question.
Would any of us, if winning the lottery, split it evenly between 100 other people because we feel we owe them something because we have known them for 2-3 years, and we did most of the work ourselves to earn it? (if they all saved your life you can say yes) :)
This question requires honesty. I’m down in the NO column.
Lol this question has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand, but I like the effort. No one expected him to play through the injury and risk his career. Some people simply expected him to stick with the team, which wouldn't have risked anything. Making the assumption that the best medical care and rehab just so happens to be in San Diego where his brother lives would be a huge coincidence.
It does have something to do with it because we don’t play football and the only way we can make millions with just a signature is to win the lottery.
Hey, what can I say, I’m a deep thinker ..lol
I actually think Ohio State just saw the polar opposite of the injury effect of 2014.
When JT went down, it was one of the galvanizing moments of that team. The impact of that injury provided the team with cohesion.
Conversely, the Bosa injury did the exact opposite. While it wasn't malicious, or born of any bad intentions, when Bosa left the team, the wheels came off the bus.
I don't blame Bosa, but I do believe that in the land of unintended consequences, his departure was an aggravating factor in the defensive malaise we witnessed from that point forward.
Interesting parallel, 3M. I think the timing of the injuries (game 3 vs game 12), and the fact that Barrett was on the sideline at the Big Ten CCG and CFP were the major differences in these two events.
I’m surprised that Meyer is only realizing this now. You only have to look back to the 2017 Iowa game to see what a huge factor Nick’ Bosa’s absence can have on that defense. They looked absolutely leaderless las year after he was ejected for targeting.
Especially since they were already missing Booker and Harrison, but nobody talks about that the way we heard weekly about Alabama's injuries. But, I digress. You're right, his absence had a profound impact.
I'm quite sure Meyer realized this would be an issue the minute Bosa made his intentions known. He just didn't want to publicly give his team an excuse during the season.
Can't wait for the comments when future nfl prospects sit out of the Rose Bowl. Let the average Joe's who would absolutely play for the team and not setup themselves and family for future generations start crying. To say you would play no matter what cracks me up.. ie ibleedscarletand gray
Still not sure about some of the venom towards the guy. I wish he would have stayed with the team, even if he could not play, but it sounds like there was no chance of him coming back to participate in anything other than potential playoff. And even then, he may not have been in top football shape yet.
I said this from jump. The loss of Bosa completely changed the team especially on defense. Bosa was a mistake eraser, how many drives could he alone have ended this season? How many impact plays would he have made that would’ve turned close games into routes or stymied an upset minded underdog’s momentum? And that’s just his direct impact as a player, the impact of his presence & leadership on the psyche of this team can’t be accounted for. The defense lost what edge it had when it lost Bosa. IMO with Bosa OSU is undefeated & preparing to take on Clemson or ND right now.
IMO with Bosa OSU is undefeated & preparing to take on Clemson or ND right now.
You mean non-injured Bosa, or an injured Bosa who stayed with the team? Because the former might be reasonable -- still hard to believe one DL would account for 30 points -- but the latter is laughable. It would mean his mere presence on the sideline (assuming he traveled with the team) would have accounted for 30 points, which ... no.
I can't say for certain that his presence on the sideline would have made a 30 point difference, but I think you're minimizing the psychological effect his decision had on the team. The defense looked uninspired, at best, for large parts of the season, especially so during the Purdue game.
Fine, I may be minimizing the psychological effect his decision had on the team. But I think you're maximizing the same psychological effect. Step back and look at what you're implying: This team couldn't beat Purdue without Nick cheering for them and giving them pep talks from the sideline; that this is the most delicate bunch of "warriors" ever to walk into Ohio Stadium that they couldn't play inspired without #97 within their midst. I don't believe that, because frankly that makes this team look even worse. I don't think their bad play had much if anything to do with Bosa's absence, and everything to do with coaching scheme and playing down to competition.
I think it’s possible to be grateful for all that Bosa gave to the team, regard him as a Buckeye for life and a part of the championship, but also be disappointed in his decision to leave the team altogether. Maybe staying with the team was requiring his presence at team functions when he and his family preferred he be at training and rehab sessions. Seems like that sort of thing could have been worked out. But, what’s done is done.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
I wonder how many of us will look back in 10-20 years and regret the things we posted on internet message boards.
I have no problem with Bosa making the decision he made. After all, the only people who know all the details are him and his family. The one thing though that surprised me was that he didn't show up for the The Game or the B1G Championship game. I'd have thought he'd be there for one or both of those. His absence makes me wonder "why?". I'd think if he was truly what Urban says he was to the team, he'd have been there. Hell, if nothing else...just to be a part of it one last time, even if just from the sideline. To me, that's perplexing.
Personally I’m glad for the TEAM’s achievements!
When Bosa moved on, I did too and was glad that the TEAM did too!
It was his choice to make, and he made it!
I spent no time lamenting and longing for someone who didn’t want to be a part of the Team in AMY capaciry!
Aside from Tennis, Golf maybe there’s unthought of ofhers, but most sports don’t revolve around one player, OSU, it’s football and the world doesn’t either!
Wish Bosa the best going forward !
Maybe we can leverage the cancer that is some of our commenters and call that our cancer kid*. If so, we will beat Washington by about 350 points.
* I am, in no way, attempting to minimize the gravity of cancer, the strain it puts on families, or the trials of Tyler Trent
This is our life; there's no use in asking what-if. No one could ever give you the answers. I try, I really do, but it's hard for me to accept this way of thinking. I'm always wondering about the what-ifs, about the road not taken.
Jenny Han,To All the Boys I've Loved Before
Buckeye Pastor is absolutely correct. It's done, but we will still wonder about what could have been. More fans are upset that Nick left than upset that he didn't play. It is none of our business in reality, but this is where people come together to throw out ideas, let off steam, and discuss. Maybe Nick didn't want to deal with class. Perhaps John thought that he'd be safer under Joey's watchful eye. Possibly Joey said, "Cmon bro, it's a chance for us to hang out and we can work together." And maybe there were trainers and doctors in Cali who were trusted. I don't believe that Nick would have given up that 50 million lotto ticket by merely staying, rehabbing and training at OSU. Evidently his dad felt differently. Nick didn't owe us anything, but in my humble opinion, he short-changed his brothers. I wish him well, though, and hope he gets his big payday.
I've been in the Army for almost 26 years now. I truly appreciate the usage and adoption of the "brotherhood" mentality. It's a real thing. But the cold, hard reality is "brothers" don't leave "brothers" for money. Ever. "Brothers" help "brothers" recover when wounded. They visit them in Walter Reed. Take them to VA appointments. Follow up with them during tough times of the year. Nobody can ever fault Nick, Joey, or any of the other players who've left early for the NFL, but in this case, Nick left his "brothers" behind. Sorry if that's cruel or "not with the times," but it's a fact. I wish him all the best but clearly this team needed him. His "brothers" needed him and he wasn't there for them. I've gone through years of intense physical therapy and will continue to do so for the rest of my life as a 70% disabled combat veteran. Each painful step, each trip to the physical therapist, each laugh through the pain is better because I know all my buddies that humped a ruck for too many years, landed like a sack of potatoes on the DZ, were concussed by the overpressure of all kinds of explosions, were shot, blown up, or just saw too much shit for too long went through it too. BROTHERS. Brothers require shared suffering and perseverance. Most of all, brotherhood requires SACRIFICE. And if staying on the sidelines, in the weightroom, in the classroom, someplace Nick's "brothers" could cheer him on and he do same is too much, these guys have absolutely, positively NO IDEA what the true meaning of "The Brotherhood" truly is. Which is sad because MY BROTHERS have been going to OSU's football program for years telling them exactly what "The Brotherhood" truly means. I won't say any further than that, but I feel like it needs to be said. Sorry not sorry.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
And with this post, shut down the thread.
Thank you for your service and sacrifice, you are a true patriot.
why? just someone expressing their opinion. apparently mods want to leave it active.
Thank you, sir. It’s been the greatest honor of my life to serve this country.
Enough said as of this comment. I won't be shocked by how many can't wrap their heads around what it takes to be a member of a "brotherhood". Thank you fellow veteran for your service.
Right back at you, brother. Salute!
I was hoping that someone with a military background would weigh in on this - well said!
Wonder if the committee would have made any different choices if Bosa had kept the door open the entire time.
Life is full of personal choices.
He went from being top 10 as my favorites to being around #57. If he stayed local and rehabbing was number 1 priority while being a captain and mentor followed - he would have remained near the top. Me, money, me fame, me me me money me me is what I hear.
I wish him well and hope he succeeds and is happy. My 57th favorite Buckeye is a great individual player and an average team player. So much for leadership.
The thing is, I think the Bosa family had a lot of other things going on vs. just will he be back to play for Ohio State.
They handled everything privately at not in Columbus because they probably wanted to handle the amount of information traffic surrounding Nick and the injury so they didn't do any undue damage to his draft stock before the combine.
Nick made the best decision for him, and even if it bummed me out I'm not going to allow myself to forget how great he was while he was here.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Anybody ever work on a sales team and the very best salesman eventually gets pick to become the district Manager? Only to find out the guy has is not very good at leadership?
A Captain, a leader has a very big big load of responsibility, their impact to the team is immeasurable good & bad. There is a selflessness that is 100% required regardless of the situation. The team, their families, everyone else comes before you as an individual. When young men are selected to a leadership position and then, in this particular instance, they leave/ quit. They voided the notion that were ready for or even were a leader. No way he should have played again with that injury, that's understandable. But leaving, no, that flies in the face of team first & leadership. Being injured was a blow to the team, not his fault, but it was magnified when he left. That he could have avoided and still continued to lead, inspire, mentor, etc.
"I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy!"
maybe the bosa family struggles financially? He had to choose a payday over football. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity that only happened to every male in his family.
I have to return some videotapes
I think he should suit up and just stand there on the sideline...see what happens.
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All I want to know is if there is some connection or relation between Brett McMurphy and the TCU O-lineman who hurt Bosa. Maybe a 3rd cousin twice removed or something.
AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built
O please, please join the team for Rose Bowl, it's only a stones throw and without you life would not seem worth living. Sure, you couldn't be bothered for the rest of the season but grant us this one favor.
I'm reading all these comments about "understanding his decision to leave" or the "financial sense it makes". Please tell me how LEAVING the school and team made Nick Bosa another dime? His draft status didn't change from the time the play occured he was hurt on till now. So how did his deciding to completely exit the team and school equate to being a "smart financial decision"? I get not risking further injury by rushing through rehab or coming back for 1 more game when you haven't been in "game shape" for months, but to completely leave? Not "buying" any of it.
On a different note, I'd like to see a film study about (a) how the 2018 defense was set up to let Bosa and the other linemen "make plays" .... as opposed to many defensive schemes that call for linemen to mainly eat up block and let LBs make tackles.
Then I'd like to see (b) what changes -- if any -- we made to the scheme after Bosa was hurt.
My guess is that Schiano realized he had an all-time great in Nick Bosa and designed the defensive around him. That scheme may have been harder to "fix" in mid-season than we as fans can imagine.
Hence Urban's comments on what a big loss the team sustained when Nick went down.
Losing Bosa hurt and may have changed things more than we will ever know but still proud of the D for fighting on and coming up big down the stretch! Funny thing is last year’s Iowa game could be seen as a microcosm for this season regarding Bosa’s impact on the field and as a leader for the team-we’ll just never know, smh but still wishing him the best!
Having a Roster full of 4 and 5 ☆ recruits at all 3 levels it just amazes me how 1 player even Bosa could dismantle a defensive outlook so dramatically. 1 either the kids aren't truly 4 & 5 ☆, 2 the kids have zero upperclassmen in a leadership role or 3 it's flat out coaching! Now you tell me huh? But sounds like the perfect excuse though
NONE are more hopelessly Enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free!
That injury just needed time. If he stayed he was the first pick. If he left he was first pick. Doesn't really matter. All that mattered was his decision. I would have stayed for teammates. It doesn't make me right and him wrong I don't think.
Since Nick Bosa made that much of an impact on the entire team (most notably on the linebacker coaches), get another Nick Bosa or get rid of the linebackers coach before next season.
Buckeye by birth. Christian by 2nd birth. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1
We were a few games in when I realized this was the first time Meyer and Schianno didn't have a Bosa on the DL in 5 seasons. And it showed.
as someone said...he moved on ..the team moved on..so please let us as fans move on ...give it a rest....
not surprised really that there's a lot of down voting in this thread. it's still raw, losing your leader. but fans who thought he should've been the one to announce that he was leaving, not john bosa; or fans who thought he should've been on the sidelines even though he wasnt playing (flying's allowed)... everybody's entitled to express their feelings. yeah, he was a good football player, but the team looked to him as their leader...until he wasnt.
I was not critical of him deciding not to rush his rehab and risk additional injury, but I didn't like the decision to quit the team. Just my opinion, but I do agree its time to move on. No sense in playing the "What if" scenarios.
I'm kind of curious to know if Bosa was still on the roster does this team make the playoff? Committee seems to love star power and no bigger star then Bosa.
I’ll say this: the coaches lost us the game at Purdue not Nick Bosas absence. They walked in there with a vanilla game plan thinking Purdue would lay down.
My opinion on the young man. Get healthy go play in the league. If I was the coach; he could buy a ticket like the rest of the fans and go sit in the stands, but he’s not going in my locker room.
Fortune favors the bold.
Geez Most people are missing the point here. I get the feeling that Bosa was an inspirational leader in the locker room and on the field. He had that knack for making a big play when needed and pushed everyone to work harder in the gym/practice. He became the identity of the defense to an extent. I find it curious that Bosa was ejected only 3 minutes into the Iowa game and left the team just 2 days before the Purdue game...we all know the results. He meant more to the team than even he probably realized. While I think he made the best decision for his future one cannot ignore the impact he had during not just 1, but 2 games.
One last point about the CFP-the example used in the other relevant factors section is that of losing a player due to injury. I can say without a doubt losing Bosa in my opinion is the reason we aren’t in the CFP. He is the type of player who could change a game single handily and probably would have.
It's the future or, in many cases, the present. 5 stars don't view college as an education. Heck, probably the majority of 4 stars. I'm not sure how, or even if, the NCAA takes it on. Honestly, how can you blame the kid? A 5 star KNOWS that if they keep on teh straight and narrow, work hard for 12 or 24 months, they will be rewarded with more money than they can spend in 10 lifetimes.