We could have won by 30 and it wouldn’t matter.
For some odd-as-hell reason, ESPN’s playoff predictor has likelihood to make the playoffs as follows:
Bama = 100%, Clemmie = 99%, ND = 98%, Ohio State??? = 71%, Oklahoma = 26%, and Georgia = 5%.
ESPN HAD to have switched up OSU with Okie by mistake when showing those percentages, right?
No. OSU is apparently 4th in their made up strength of record metric, which they claim is the best predictor of the final 4.
Is this where the “so you’re saying there’s a chance” GIF gets posted?
How ND can be in the conversation after both our and OUs wins. Us beating ttun and NW so much worse than they did, and the number of close games ND had without any real marquee wins has to be playing in that committees mind.
Are we sure he even wants to be in the playoffs?
"Because we couldn't go for three"
You always want in because your recruits want you in.
That was a whiskey take after watching him seem very aloof compared to the other coaches pitching their cases.
My head says: Purdue by 29 pts
But my heart is like: BRING ON BAMA BABYYYYYYY
That is all you have on this season is one loss?
I read this sentence like 4 times and I still have no idea what you’re getting at.
"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."
I think he’s getting at that the Purdue loss wasn’t the only thing that was bad this season. Their defense was atrocious at times and there is no way you should let Nebraska, Maryland, etc. keep games that close.
Rollin, do you see where I’m coming from now when I said Notre Dame has a spot locked up already? I hope they bet destroyed
No wonder people block out 11W comments. Like middle finger waving being celebrated.
This was a great season, led by the best QB Ohio State has had in my life.
You can't call yourself a loser, and then beat Alabama. Bring them on, Go Bucks! Bucks beat Bama by **.
Look at OSU and ND common opponents. OSU far and away better against them.
That is true, but they are not dropping an undefeated ND from the list. Just the way it is.
But they should. 4 best teams right?
so who is on the committee right now?
"Captain, over here, I've found someth... AHHHH!!!!!!"
13 members including Gene Smith: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Playoff
There's a huge southern bias on it. And OSU gets hurt bc Gene has to recuse and there is no other Big Ten area person. Luckily, OU's AD is also on it.
Rose Bowl is where the Buckeyes will go. I am in favor of an 8 team playoff.
4 is better, as long as they get the 4 best teams, downvotes me if you must. Right now I say we are better than ou and nd, but I'm sure committee will feel diffetent. Either way rose bowl is a nice consolation prize, as well as ou getting housed by bama. Buuuuuut after today and knowing bamas weak schedule, still not sold they could beat us
4 is better but it isn’t at all congruent with the shape of college football. You have 5 power conferences and only 4 teams? Make it eight, give auto bids to conference champs and 3 at larges. You have to make the conference championships worth something because right now they’re not. And I can’t wait for the “winning the big ten championship and going to the rose bowl is an accomplishment” response because the high draft pick players that will sit out say otherwise.
While I am all for an 8 team playoff... I feel like ESPN will push super hard for 3 “at large” SEC teams to fill the last three slots. But, at least we could beat up on all the SEC teams which are ESPN’s babies. Maybe then they would respect the B1G more.
I can't wait until there's an eight game playoff and then, finally, after nearly a century and a half of college football, teams from the rest of the country will have to come up north in December to play Big Ten teams on their home fields.
Hey, no matter how impressed anybody might be with Alabama or Clemson, how do you like the thought of them coming to Columbus in mid-December? No, not Indy, but the Shoe!
Until then, we dopes from the Midwest will keep insisting that our kids play road games in their most important games. (For reference, ask your average NFL GM if he'd rather play a home game in Winter?)
Why, like Martin Luther King, I have a dream that some day, the SEC will have to play nine conference games, and ten or more against Power Conference teams, and with no cupcakes before rivals, and then play a road game up north every other year.
Call me crazy, but I'm thinkin' that would be just a tiny bit tougher for them than soft schedules with big breaks and home games in fair weather throughout the playoffs. But then, I guess their Commissioners are less idiotic (or greedy) than ours.
Notre Dame needs to join the ACC or be excluded from the playoffs. WTF is their problem. Not being in a championship game is a crime. They would of played Clemson and lost.
When we got in in 2014, it was on the strength of the big ten championship game while tcu had none in the big 12 at that time.
ND will have to pick between mega TV contract money or ACC affiliation. I’d like to see them join the acc because as it stands, Clemson has absolutely no one standing in their way each year. Miami ? FSU ?
Buuuuuut after today and knowing bamas weak schedule, still not sold they could beat us
Are you kidding? They beat The Frickin' Citadel!
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
Maybe if we put up another 7 in that last two mins ... Urban has never been one for style points.
I am skeptical that it matters to a point. If OSU would have held them to 7 and won like this than it would be fine. I still do not think it is enough.
Given how the blow out at Purdue went. That is a monster anchor.
Purdue eliminated us this year. You don't get beat by a bad team by 29 points (who was 6-6 this year).
So Purdue screwed us twice, first by beating us, and then not having the decency to beat enough other teams? Damn black wearing mo-fos!
I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.
To me, it's enough, however, it's another question if it's enough for the Committee, which no longer has any guidelines other than what they subjectively feel, which tends to conform to the national narrative, which tends to conform to what ESPN says.
Nobody needs to be a conspiracy theorist to make such a suggestion. Besides, the word "conspiracy" comes from the Latin words "con spirare," which mean "to breathe together," so in the broadest, it simply refers to the narrative that most people are inhaling or consuming, and who can deny that more people consume ESPN's college football narrative than any other media outlet?
If anybody can name a bigger influence on the national stage--if there's any single bigger influence for framing CPF narratives--or any entity that's even remotely close--then I'd like to hear it.
Fact is, the Purdue narrative has been their narrative, and it's not the only one that needs to exist. For example, they easily could have driven the narrative that offense is so big that the D doesn't matter. Ya' know, like Oklahoma.
Or, they could have said, look nobody is going to take away the championships of the Patriots or the Warriors or the Red Sox and on because they had a horrible game or bad streak in the middle of the season. The quesiton would be who's better overall, and even more than that, who looks like the best and most complete team?
Well, per that latter narrative, which is a totally logical narrative that COULD HAVE BEEN ADOPTED, has been tossed aside even though Ohio State is clearly better than Oklahoma per the ONLY meaningful differentiator between the two teams that extends over a whole season vs. one game, which ought to be the tie-breaker, and that's defense.
All other factors are virtually tied except that one, where the Buckeyes win hands down.
Nah, coaches hate thay shit. It’s disrespectful. NW was a noble opponent and deserved the victory formation.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Tell that to Dabba Dabba Doo last week against SC
There’s a reason nobody likes him. Imma enjoy seeing him get his ass beat again when they finally play someone. No Watson to save him now. Sunshine ain’t gonna save him with that long flowing hair.
Upvote for "Remember the Titans" reference.
Well, I'm with you OldTown, and most coaches seem to hate it, but I'm not so sure about the coaches on the Committee. Those guys now uncharacteristically seem to care about losses more than wins and style points more than substance.
Fact is, when it comes to substance, the Buckeye O, special teams, and strength of schedule is virtually dead even, and the only true differentiator is defense.
Coaches used to like defense, too, and they've even cited D as being a reason for selecting prior teams for including in the playoffs, but suddenly, per the Committee Head's recent comments, defense no longer matters, that is, at least if you're Oklahoma.
See, if you're Oho State and you have some good games on D mixed with some bad ones, that's totally unacceptable, whereas if you're Oklahoma, you get a pass for being consistent, because your D is predictably horrible, in which case, the Committee members aren't as confused as with Ohio State and so their feeble brains don't hurt.
Well, I guess the times are changing, and from where I sit, football is sadly becoming almost unwatchable, because all of the "WOW" offense (in the college or pros) is becoming totally meaningless when nobody plays defense.
So, gee, maybe Oklahoma is being rewarded for helping to hasten the decline of football.
*dog sniffs* 'He hit! We found something! He hit!' Good posts.
The other things, OldTown, is that if Ohio State doesn't get in, then sadly, coaches seem to love style points that count against you, because Purdue scored points at the end of the game that really added nothing to the foregone conclusion on the scoreboard except... style points.
In other words, Ohio State might not get into the playoffs because of negative style points, which then, apparently, woulnd't trump positive style points, such as against TTUN.
Actually, the 62 the Buckeyes scored were all legit, and if anything, they took their foot off the pedal to avoid racking up style points. If that's what mattered to them, then they at least would have taken shots near the end of the game against TTUN when they were near the goal line, but instead, they took a knee.
As a side note, the Committee's guidelines supposedly tell them, point blank, that they shouldn't incentivize style points. But that's just another farce, because tell me, if the Buckeyes don't get in, the going forward, what fool of a coach isn't going to do everything in his power to minimize that garbage points against his teams while maximizing garbage points against other teams?
Frankly, Urban already should have learned this lesson vs. Iowa last year, but going forward, it virtually has to become a 'no apologies" strategy for any coach. In other words, there goes good sportsmanship, as well as the importance of defense.
Gee, hasn't the Playoff Committee and current playoff system been wonderful for football?
Sadly, we are not within the margin of an extra seven points vs. NW meaning anything.
It was a really good year and this was a pretty good game. The game last week was great. Haskins is great. Being Big Ten champs is great. But the full measure of this season is just short of great. And that’s okay.
Oklahoma is great, though?
This is about what did WE do.
Is Oklahoma great? Nope. Neither are we. But when you limp through a third of the season and get demolished by a very average team, you do not get to act like it’s everyone else’s fault.
If the Buckeyes were to get in, that would be amazing and they could do well. But we were responsible for sewing the doubt into the minds of the committee. Own it.
No, they’re definitely not, and I believe that OSU is probably the hottest team out there, minus that disaster of a 3rd quarter tonight. But, the best teams absolutely do NOT lose by 29 to f@cking Purdue. That alone is the disqualifier. I just wish the committee would say so instead of trying to rationalize between OU and OSU completely disingenuously.
And, most painfully, tonight OSU had their shot in the 3rd to make a serious statement, and they didn’t. And that sucks. Oh well, beat the hell out of Washington. I just hope Dwayne doesn’t sit out.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
I know we should have beaten Purdue, but I wish someone would point out that that was a tough road game.
Cold nasty weather, a team pumped up because they would be on national TV, with a full stadium, playing for the sick kid... I mean, it was a tough environment. We still should have won, but I expected a close, close game.
Maryland was Haskins' original commitment team, so they were pissed and stoked. So yeah we barely beat them but...
So we're a throwing team! I think subconsciously that bothers a lot of us old timers, because we think of the Bucks as having solid, solid defense and a great running game.
If Day is our head coach, we'd better get used to this. Not that it's bad - it's entertaining as hell.
You know what? You’re right, Ole Buckeye, Purdue was a tough game all around. I’ll admit that. But I’m having a tough time understanding, 1) Just how the Buckeyes dumpster-fired so spectacularly (is that redundant?) for the third time in three years; and 2) Why doesn’t the committee just say it instead of trying to compare which team has the less-worse offense-to-defense performance ratio? I can totally live with the truth.
And you’re also right about OSU being a throwing team now, and the fact that it’s entertaining as hell.
not bad considering all the 'flaws' with this team!
16-2 is SWEET!
The arm pit of America? No, thanks!
(Or is L.A. the *ss crack of America?)
Bama didn’t look good today. That did nothing for Tua’s heisman campaign. Looks to me like Kyler gets it, then dashes off to the MLB. Haskins would get my vote, though.
Playoff should be
#4 Ohio State
Hey ND, join a conference!
I know they won't... But this is so true. Notre Dame is by far not as good as OSU or Oklahoma. Who would Vegas list as the favorite? It wouldn't be ND. My only consolation... My son's last year in tbdbitl... He finally goes to the Rose Bowl.
Congrats to your son! That’s awesome! Tbdbitl! What a great last year for him, playoff or rose!
538 agrees with you sir.. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-college-football-predictions/
I hope the committee looks at this.
If this happens , ND will join the ACC on Monday.
"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H
Yep. Committee needs to punish them. They will join a conference ASAP if that happens.
I wanna see the meltdown from Notre Dame folks if this were to happen.
Not playing in a championship game should count as a loss. Then compare the 12 games they won with Ohio States 12 games.
Absolutely we do. Let’s do this thought exercise: tonight’s B1G Championship, a solid win over a worthy opponent, is the 13th game of the season. One more than ND. Basically it negates the Purdue game. Here’s your top four tomorrow:
4. THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY
Nope the Purdue game very much happened.
Dont' come out of the 2nd half flat and we have a shot Buckeyes. But they did. Sadly that's what's going to keep us out, something like that.
ND’s last game was a squeaker against a seven loss USC team. Believe me, they’re on shaky ground. OU and OSU both deserve to be in the playoffs WAY more than ND. Be prepared to be surprised. How can you honestly penalize an OSU team for a loss mid season especially when you play an extra game? Sorry. I’m not gonna believe they gonna keep out the B1G Champ three years in a row. We’re by far the best conference. Nope!!!
And we didn’t come out “flat,” NW, a solid squad that went 8-1 in conference play, showed why they won the west. That was a good squad. They have some playmakers and veteran leadership. They gave us all they had. Respect.
Woody is spinning in his grave right now. We killed UM, we are Big Ten champs. Savor it boys. These are the glory days.
End of story.
A loss is a loss ... if it’s by 1 or 30. I’m not sure why their is more weight being put on losses over who the teams have actually beat. Just saying.
The committee has claimed in years past that they're interested in who a team has beat, not who they lost to. They just talk out of their ass.
The browns suck and always will. Baker is a huge douche too. May a drunken mod edit this signature because it hurts his butt
I think the committee changes the rules week to week to fit their bias nature, simple and true. One year SOS, next Conference champs, every week they comer up with another bs excuse for the sec to be in there.
Let’s face it. We’re th only fans who cheer for a team that gets penalized for winning games but move up after bye week. Every one else who played today and won by a touchdown or two will be worshipped for winning and their opponents will be considered worthy.
No conf Championship?, no problem ND
Play fcs late ??? All good Nick
Osu wins by less than 59 points? Tua is #1 Heisman candidate and you lost one game worse than others did so you’re out !!
Sot on, Knite. It's time for them to go. I mean, why pay for the subjective whims who meet in secret and then pretend to be objective in public? We could get random results by drawing lots out of a hat.
Meanwhile, if this process doesn't follow consistent guidelines or it isn't truly random, then logic says that there are only two other possibilities left, neither of which would be acceptable: 1) some members have agendas, or 2) they're merely a stupid group of so-called experts.
I'm not saying the last two possibilities are true, but there's no doubt that the guidelines are NOT consistent, and by all appearances, they aren't random. So... cupidity and/ore stupidity are all that remain.
Not to mention OSU has better quality wins...its stupid st this point...
It is time!!!!!
A loss by 29 is not just a loss. I’m sorry. It just isn’t.
We have a Big Ten championship, a transcendent QB, and we smashed the Revenge Tour. That’s all fantastic.
But we also lost by 29 to Purdue which is not a slip-up; it’s an implosion. And there were several other ugly games too.
i’m proud Of this team and what it accomplished. But sometimes a loss is more than just a loss. Ask Jim Harbaugh.
All I’m saying is they both show up the same in the record books.
I don't get how anyone is selling out the Buckeyes other than they want to conform to a BS ESPN narrative, not to mention the guys on the Bit Ten Network. I mean, heck, the SEC Commissioner was already strongly selling two-loss Georgia over Oklahoma or the Buckeyes before Ohio State ever even took the field.
And yet, there's Jim Delany, the Big 10 Commissioner... totally silent and lame as usual (except for when it's time to fill his pockets), even as their home TV network was rolling over for Oklahoma.
I'm critical of the Buckeyes where warranted, but let's not miss the forest for the trees, Buckeye fans.
Yeah, I get the Purdue loss, but the Buckeyes canceled that out with the best win of the year, which ought to be at least as important as the loss. That being the case, you then look for tiebreakers, so you turn to strength of schedule, which is about equal between the two team, or the strength of their offenses, which is about equal (#1 vs. #2), but beyond that, what's THE one single differentiator where you can definitively say one team is better than the other?
Despite the problems that the Buckeye defense has experienced this year, this key factor nonetheless remains the SINGLE important difference between the two teams, and it clearly favors the Buckeyes. And yet, here we are, so that somehow Ohio State and its fans are supposed to hang their heads low and humbly concede the argument to the Sooners without a fight.
The resaon for that goes beyond the clear tie-breaker of defense, and it's this:
If the Buckeyes don't make the playoffs, don't tell me it's about the Purdue game. Like it or not, that's THE narrative about the Purdee game to the exclusion of all other factors, which is quite convenient for everyone but the Buckeyes.
If I'm Alabama, I couldn't be happier that I'll be playing either a one-sided team like Oklahoma or else a Notre Dame team that didn't have to play in a conference championship, and whose two big marquis wins this year were against TTUN and Northwestern in too close games.
(Funny, but my short-term memory has the impression that the Buckeyes played a tad better against those teams).
Anyway, so it is that the Buckeyes are probably stuck with biggest, most boring and most overrated booby prize in sports: The Rose Bowl, otherwise known as the Pac 12's Big Annual Home Game held in the ghastly suburbs of the ugliest city in America (give me the reclaimed prairies of Detroit anyday over the seismic hole known as Los Angeles).
Personally, I'd rather take on the challenge of playing Georgia (in a de factor home game for the SEC in the Sugar Bowl) rather than watching a dud of a game against the Washington Huskies. I mean, man, I love the Buckeyes, and I love that they did enough (relatively) to earn a playoff spot, but I absolutely hate the media narrative B.S., and I probably hate the Rose Bowl even more.
Special teams favor the Buckeyes also.
"...even as their home TV network was rolling over for Oklahoma." Yeah, what's up with that?
Right now fivethirtyeight.com has us in over ND...
Let's hope the committee thinks that way.
I'll literally eat my shoe if we jump ND
I free ead this week thta 538 doesn't know how to factor ND without a conference championship to factor in, so unfortunately I wouldn't put much stock in it.
I do know the Buckeyes looked way better than Notre Dame against their two common opponents.
Tailgate Fare Historical Archive
Eye test. Conference Championship. Performance against common opponents.
Sounds like an argument to me.
Oh, but that's right--the Committee now officials goes by how it feels.
And by "feels," of course, I mean, how ESPN feels.
No, 538 says the Buckeyes have a 66% chance ~ ND 61%.
"Ninety percent of the game is half mental!" ~ Yogi Berra
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain
Doctors say he has a 50-50 chance of living, though there's only a ten percent chance of that.
AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built
Wow! God I hope they're right. They should be. And apparently, they're more willing to defy the national media more than a whole lot of conformist Buckeye fans who are bowing to Finebaum World.
Personally, I'd love to play ND, and they ought to be punished for not being in a conference and playing in a championship game. I mean, would ANY ODDS MAKER in Vegas tell you that ND would be a favorite over the OSU, OU or Georgia per their money, their stats, or their eye test?
I just wish there was a way to punish the SEC for not skipping a 9th conference game as well as scheduling cupcakes before their big games. Think how big that is.
For example, what if West Virginia didn't have to play either Iowa State this year, in which case, they'd have one loss off their books, and then what if instead of playing Oklahoma State on the road the week before playing Oklahoma at home, they got to play Citadel and rest up for Oklahoma, in which case, they certainly could have beaten the Sooners.
In other words, if West Virginia did what Alabama did with its schedule, it very likely could have only one loss and they'd probably be headed for the playoffs.
How about if Mike "Mullet" Gundy kicks an extra point and takes Oklahoma into overtime and gives Oklahoma State a better chance to win. That idiot blew any chance to win the game for his team, and then talked to the media afterwards that anyone who should question him for making the decision is stupid. Gundy belongs in the "Harbaugh Hairbrained School for the Dumb."
Unfortunately they are trying to model illogical decisions based on past illogical decisions made by committees composed of completely different people.
Absolutely spot on Hanwai, which underscores the problem--they need to design a system whose guidelines absolutely minimize subjectivity.
Granted, some subjectivity is understandable if you're going to have a non-computer-based system, but then, you still need to restrict and guide human factors in accordance with consistent human guidelines that leave little room for going off the chain, and that clearly isn't happening.
The contradictions from year to year are now glaring, and that speaks to a system that wasn't "built to last" precisely because it's not based on the changing whims of individual biases, whatever they might be.
If the Buckeyes get a shot, I like our chances.
I like Dwayne beating anyone you put before him. And in fairness the d had 1 bad quarter
Seals my hatred for the golden domers. I can’t wait to see them get smashed in the playoffs.
Fortune favors the bold.
Not gonna happen. We needed a dominating blowout to be in the conversation and it didn't happen. Oklahoma played well enough against a better opponent that it's really hard to imagine them not being the pick. Just like last year, don't get blown out by a mediocre team.
Sure that isn't Script-Oklahoma? Man, with the way you defend, you ought to play for the Sooner's defense!
I guess you don't like gargantuan wins, such as against the TTUN, while you also prefer a bottom-dweller defense that has been consistently bad against mediocre teams or worse.
Oh, and I guess you like conforming to the national narratives that ESPN, Finebaum, and company spout?
Fact is, the Purdue loss won't--and shouldn't--keep the Buckeyes out of the playoffs, but a conformity to THE NARRATIVE about the Purdue loss just might keep them out.
Sorry I'm not a blatant homer like you are
Ask yourself who you want to play if you're Bama or Clemson. It's unequivocally ND. Put the Heisman candidates in.
the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS
Put the Heisman candidates in.
I think he pretty clearly means it ought to be Ohio State, Oklahoma, Alabama (the three teams with Heisman candidates) plus Clemson in the playoffs, while ND stays home.
I don't get why so many Buckeye fans conform to the ESPN narrative about not getting into the playoffs. I mean, gee, maybe they should be playing defense on Oklahoma!
Because if you don't then you get called conspiracy theorist or tin foil hat.
They can't attack the opinion so they attack the person.
Purdue is probably, and deservedly so, this teams downfall. Buuuut atleast say the loss is the reason why we get left out. I dont see a huge difference between OU's offense and ours. Despite our defensive issues, I do see a huge difference between our defense and theirs. Why do we get heat for a failed 2 pt conversion win vs maryland (who beat texas) but OU gets different treatment vs Ok. St. Why is our win vs Mich St sloppy but their win vs Kansas is not? Why does Army/Iowa St count as quality win but PSU does not for us? Is Texas better than Northwestern? Maybe, but cant help but think if Maryland can beat them 2 years in a row that Texas may be a middle of the road BIG 10 team. All in all, I am ecstatic with a conference championship considering the distractions this years team dealt with. I will forever believe our team is better than ND, is more complete than OU, and Clemson got away with playing virtually nobody all year
Agreed. To me, if big wins matter more than losses, which USED TO BE the Committee's standard (but they subjectively change their standards whenever they feel like it), then the TTUN win negates the Purdue loss, in which case, everything else is equal between the teams except defense, where Ohio State is clearly superior, and that factor--which ought to be a huge consideration--should be the tie breaker.
But maybe Ohio State fans have themselves to blame for not at least defending the Buckeyes against the narrative of the media mouthpieces. Apparently, Oklahoma fans are a lot smarter, because they have sold the notion that defense just doesn't matter in the Big 12, so it shouldn't be a factor, whereas Buckeye fans argue that defense matters and we're not good enough.
Our fans don't seem to be smart enough to argue that it's all relative. Speaking of which, if the Buckeyes are inconsistent because they lost one game plus had three games that were less than 10 point margins of victory, then wasn't Oklahoma more inconsistent per losing one game plus have five games with less than a 10 point margin of victory.
Oh, yeah, Notre Dame had SEVEN games where they won by less than 10 points, and needless to say, they didn't play remotely close to the level of Oho State against common opponents--TTUN and NU.
It's jsut bizarre to me that so many Buckeye fans have no fight in them even though they have the superior argument when it comes to the only clear tie breaker between the two teams.
Maybe the committee should use a point system. Big losses get large negative points and big wins get large positive points. Better yet, let's just go to 8 teams. Every major conference gets at least one team in and we can argue between who's 6, 7, 8 or 9.
Purdue dominated us. Just like Iowa played the game of their life last year to eliminate us.
Yes we lost by 29. But what a lot of people forget about that game is we outgained Purdue in total yards, had 1 turnover vs 0 for Purdue, and made critical mistakes at the worst times (Hamilton doing a cartwheel to rough the punter and extend a drive that led to a TD, Jones roughing Blough on a 3rd down stop to extend a drive that led to a touchdown, etc.) Were we dominated? No. Did we self destruct? Yes. Self destruction is a shortcoming for this team. Just saying, WHEN this OSU team doesn't shoot itself in the foot they are hard to beat
I wouldn’t say Texas is better than Northwestern when Texas has Tim Beck, “perpetual destroyer of seasons,” as it’s Offensive Courdinator. That call they made for the late developing play that cost them the safety and game was classic Beck! Didn’t see Fitz calling for that crap against OSU.
If Oklahoma had lost the committee would put Georgia in. But as a consolation prize hopefully *they* put ND at 4 and 'bama cleans their clock!
carry on ...
Ohio State both deserves to be in the field and is one of the four best teams, but probably will not get selected. This playoff system is getting progressively more awkward and contrived each year.
Three years in a row the champion of the best conference will be omitted from the playoff.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
It's a shame the Buckeyes will probably get left out of the playoff because of that strange Purdue loss and inconsistent play most of the year. Who would have ever thought we would make the playoffs once in the last 3 years and it was the only time we didn't play in or win the big ten championship. It's crazy!
It’s a compelling case for each team. I think The deciding factor is Ohio State is better ratings, better TV and much more money;)
I love Kirby Smart loses almost at home to a backup QB team he led by 2 TDs and argues Georgia should be in. Please. We played better defenses than OU yet they have a higher SOS? I don't understand that one. And, we played allegedly the best defense in college football and annihilated it. So I say Ohio State has a solid case.
I disagree with all the anti-Rose Bowl sentiment. It remains the Mecca of college football (the venue). If that's where we go I hope the players and their families have a wonderful time in the best weather in the world and that Ohio State wins the Rose Bowl!
Alabama vs Ohio State rematch! CLASSIC MONEY MAKER!!!;)
It's not just Purdue it's the damn mid-season slump. Doesn't look good letting lesser opponents hang with you.
First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but Oklahoma has done the exact same thing. Kansas lost to Nicholls State, yet put 40 on Oklahoma in their stadium. They allowed 47 to Oklahoma State, 46 to Texas Tech, 56 to West Virginia, these teams went a combined 23-25. Why aren't they punished for their struggles?
You make clear reasons. You are not looking through scarlet and gray glasses. I think Georgia is in the 4 best. Otherwise, Okeys will.
Nobody in the South wants to watch Alabama whip Oklahoma azz. They want payback on them Yankees!
They'll get the rating they deserve, I, for one, will make a point of not watching more southern in-breeding on live TV... I'll easily find something else to do, just like last year.
SVP just reported that strength of record has been the most important determination of who gets in. The best teams on strength of record have went to the CFP. Ohio State is currently 4th in that metric.
The last time a team that didn't have one of the best 4? Ohio State in 2014.
The ornery bad side of me says there’s gonna be some blasphemy in the priesthood if ND gets jumped. Oh please make this happen God!
"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes
The gold dome is 12-0. They are in for sure.
Just SO not fair to move up or maintain for not working
Dwayne can beat Bama. Can anyone else say that?
OSU should be included in the Playoff given strength of schedule, but the committee will probably rank all of OK’s opponents ahead to justify putting them in over OSU. They should pass on ND given their weak schedule, OSU’s much better performance against common opponents, OSU’s conference championship and improvement (rather than regression like ND with that horrible last game against 5-7 USC). Maybe OSU should lead a boycott of the CFP if they are kept out again and have to play a 9-4 Utah team in the Rose Bowl (not a nice consolation prize as others have claimed). Give the Bucks a month to work on fundamentals and Urban will have the defense already. OSU will play well against the pro style offense run by Bama.
My bad. The PAC-12 game was so bad I forgot Washington (10-3) won it 10 to 3 with a defensive touchdown with half the Utah starters injured on the sideline :(
I hope you all bet the rent. They covered.
Plus Oklahoma guts shunned (as they should in this case) the whole Southern part of the country is angry! Highested rated game in COLLEGE FOOTBALL HISTORY
Sauce for the goose;)
Will Iowa State fall out of the top 25 ranking after squeaking by Drake today? Does it matter?
Too little too late. If they're left out, as I believe they will be, Meyer needs to take a hard look in the mirror and ask himself: is Saban, 13+ years older than Meyer, hungrier for national championships? Because Saban doesn't choose buddies over coaching ability on his staff.
The on thing that definitely ought to come out of this is Schiano, Davis and Tavers are gone. People can point to inconsistency or Purdue or other factors all they want, but if you drill down further, the fact is that this O was good enough all year, and so was the special teams, and so, we all the D was the problem, BUT...
If you drill down still further, the D line was good enough to be in the playoffs, and so it was the back 7 that was clearly the problem, however, if we drill down further, we see why they were bad, and it's of positioning, scheme, personnel decisions, and apparently, motivation to play consistently, all of which goes to coaching.
In other words, this team has a clear defensive coaching problem, and if it doesn't make the playoffs, don't tell me it's all because of the Purdue loss, because that's B.S. per reasons I've given above. No, it's all because three of the highest paid assistants in college football--Schiano, Davis and Tavers are horrible.
The game has clearly passed them by, BUT if we drill down still further...
Their failure falls on Meyer's shoulders, and so, if he doesn't fire the D coaches (except Larry Johnson) after the season for being THE reason for the Buckeyes not making the playoffs, then the game has clearly passed him by, and maybe it actually is time for him to go.
I hope that doesn't happen, because he's had a great record, and I'd like to think that he's smart enough to see how much it helped when he fired Tim Beck and Ed Warriner. This case is every bit as much of a parallel to the 2015 under performance, except it's on the other side of the ball.
Notre Dame is a joke. ND shared 3 opponents between Clemson and Ohio State : Pitt, Northwestern and Michigan and beat those 3 teams by a combined 22 points.
Clemson beat Pitt by 32 points and Ohio State beat Michigan and Northwestern by a combined 44 points.
Last time we saw them they were struggling to finish off a 5 win team. And frankly, they shouldn't be awarded for sitting at home eating Cheetos on Dec 1 while all the conference champions we're out there knocking people out.
It should be Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State.
If ND wants to be invited to the party, they should play the ACC team (or B1G) with the best record in a conference championship game. Get that piss weak ACC Busch Light schedule out of here!
I promise you America doesn't want or need to see Alabama and Georgia play AGAIN.
Maybe they could just start their own four team league: Bama, Georgia, The Citadel and Lousiana-Lafayette. Every year the first and second place teams would get automatic bids to the CFP.
Then reduce the CFP to 2 teams.
Here is espn’s own predictor:
TEAM MAKE PLAYOFF MAKE CHAMP WIN CHAMP
Alabama >99% 72% 43%
Clemson >99% 70% 37%
Notre Dame 98% 27% 8%
Ohio State 71% 21% 8%
Oklahoma 26% 8% 3%
Georgia 5% 2% <1%
Michigan <1% <1% <1%
UCF <1% <1% <1%
so is it their numbers or pundits that are full of shite?
Who is the serial downvoter? Any comment not fanatically in favor of OSU’s playoff chances is getting downvoted like crazy.
For ratings, entertainment, and just pure fact of deserving it, go Bama (Tua), Clemson (whatever QB name is), OU (Murray), OSU (Haskins). Four best QBs. Four best teams. Let the heisman guys go at each other and honest, screw ND. You wanna get into the playoff and taken seriously? Join a freaking conference. Refuse? Then stop complaining about being left out bc it’s your fault.
TBH I think the four best teams right now in order are Bama, Georgia, Clemson and Bucks. I'd like to see conference championships eliminated and have an 8 team playoff instead (if that's what it takes to get an 8 team playoff). Would be awesome to have a playoff this season consisting of AL, GA, Clemson, OSU, OU, ND in it, toss in UCF and maybe (bias aside) TTUN (come to think of it, that's basically the AP top eight).
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
With respect to winning the natty, I guess we could have just damn well quit playing football after the Purdue game. /s
I always encourage everyone to join the light side of the Force and love and root for the Buckeyes, but if you think Ohio State should be punished for Purdue, but Oklahoma gets a pass for giving up 40+ 5 times and taken to OT by Army, and Alabama and the SEC get a pass for their chicken crap Saturday where they play an FCS team at home in November, and Notre Dame gets a pass for playing one less game than everyone else, and Clemson gets a pass for playing Furman, then maybe you should find a different hobby than college football.
Clemson and Alabama get the nod over Ohio State for 13-0 and 13-0 only. Ohio State is just as good if not better than Notre Dame and Oklahoma.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
"...then maybe you should find a different hobby than college football."
Canasta, stamp collecting, line dancing, tiddlewinks...uhh, no thanks. I like college football, and love our Buckeyes. If we beat the Huskies in the Rose Bowl, I say we hang a national championship banner in the 'Shoe, and screw the "powers that be." Woody would approve.
I'm with ya, and if UCF wins their bowl I hope they throw up back-to-back champs too. The system is so jacked up we should just go back to when everyone claimed their own titles. At least we'd be honest in how we felt about our teams and can tell the world to get effed!
Didn't appear to me the Bucks were trying to impress the committee. Chip shot 27 yd. FG blocked? Defense gashed again!
Pasadena is a nice location. Go, Bucks! Beat the Huskies!
JI row end 78
no team ranked above OSU got taken to the woodshed like Purdue did to OSU.....