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Triv 12th Warrior

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Comment 05 May 2017

It perpetuates the fallacy that Harbaugh inherited a team with no talent - they had top 10 recruiting classes every year

I love to hate on Harbaugh just as much as the next guy, but this isn't entirely true. 2012 and 2013 were top 10 classes, but 2014 and 2015 (the two classes prior to Harbaugh taking over) were 20th and 37th respectively. There was plenty of talent, but not Ohio State/Alabama/Clemson levels of talent waiting for Harbaugh upon his arrival. That 2013 class just graduated, so now we get to see how well he does with 2 mediocre classes (by Michigan standards) and then his own recruits.

Comment 19 Apr 2017

Leaders lead their team to victory, or at the very least to score.

JT needs 11 wins to become Ohio State's all time wins leader. The offense in 2014 and 2016 (his two years as primary starter) averaged 46.0 and 44.8 ppg respectively. He is within 200 yards of becoming the all time leader in career yards at Ohio State.

Not to mention he is the only 3 time captain in Buckeye history.

2) Domestic Violence

Lol you mean the incident where JT called the police first and neither party was arrested and there was zero sign of injury on either party?

3) His making up names for incoming QB's (incredibly arrogant for such a sub-par passer)

You're grasping at straws man. If you think THAT is the worst thing the freshman go through... whew

4) Throwing the previous assistants under the bus (there was an article a while back on here that had quotes from JT)

Find the article and I might be inclined to believe you. I don't recall ever reading about JT throwing a coach under the bus 

There are plenty of things to bash JT for, but leadership is not one of them

Comment 19 Apr 2017

Not sure about the silent ones (the downvoters) but most of the rational fans that are pro-JT starting have made multiple posts stating he needs to show he can return to 2014 form or be replaced. Obviously a few are going to be so blindly pro-JT they say he should start regardless. Just like there are some so blindly anti-JT they think he's solely responsible for all 4 losses he has to his name. I think in general though most Buckeye fans feel the same: Start JT but if his performance doesn't return to the JT we all fell in love with, Burrow/Haskins needs to be ready.

Also, and this is just the statistician in me being petty, Jones had less pass attempts in 2014 prior to Barrett going down (17) than Burrow had in 2016 (28). So theoretically Burrow is more prepared than Jones was

Comment 19 Apr 2017

So wait... you're insinuating that Day prefers Burrow or Haskins? What could you possible base that on? Hell, Kevin Wilson called JT Barret the best QB in the country when he was at IU. Now I think we can all agree that's a stretch, but it's not a stretch to think the coaches that work with these QBs everyday all think JT should be our starter (when they've publicly stated as much)

Comment 19 Apr 2017

Saying "he's only done well because he has a talent advantage" and "he doesn't perform against good defenses" is saying he is not a good QB without actually saying it,.

And advocating for Burrow to start over Barrett implies you're convinced he's a better QB

So I'm not sure where anybody misquoted you. Just made completely reasonable conclusions from every post you've made on this thread bashing Barrett and praising Burrow/Haskins spring game numbers

Comment 19 Apr 2017

If you think there's a chance JT isn't starting week 1, I have some bridges to sell you

And to your point about Cincy and I "jumping in posts that don't flatter JT" if you actually look at the posts we comment on and the points we make, you'd notice the only threads we jump in on are ones that use stats to "prove" Burrow is a better QB than JT. He's had 28 live throws against 3rd string defenses. JT has 2 silver footballs and a 26-4 record. Both Cincy and Myself have stated on multiple occasions that we'd not be against a change at QB if JT struggles early in the season, but posters like you can point to scheme issues in 2015 and 16 and sculpt them into the idea that Barrett is a bad quarterback, despite his accomplishments when given a competent OC and scheme.

At the end of the day we're all Buckeyes though, banter makes the offseason go faster.

Comment 18 Apr 2017

I feel like you missed the fact where JT had a 169.8 PE over the entirety of the 2014 season, against defenses starters (aka better than anything Burrow played against). JT has proven at this level that with a competent OC and scheme, he can thrive. If he struggles with Wilson early, I'm happy to see either backup get a shot. But you can't just discredit JTs best season when its the only one he had a competent scheme offensively.

At the end of the day, everyone is kidding themselves if you think there's a snowballs chance in hell anybody other than JT Barrett (barring injury) is taking the first snap against IU come August. We can have this debate as much as we want, but until we see how JT does with the "new and improved" offensive scheme we won't know if JT is truly an average QB or if his subpar play the past 2 years was more due to scheme than his talent

Comment 18 Apr 2017

Disregarding Cardale's final 3 games, JT finished 5th in the Heisman that season. Dig into the stats all you want, he still broke almost every big ten freshman record that year, came damn near 4000 total yards, and threw the ball plenty efficiently (just as well as Joe Burrow has in his 28 career attempts!).

To call JT a poor quarterback is simply absurd. To say without a doubt that Burrow or Hasinks, with zero combined meaningful snaps between them, is a better all around QB is also absurd. You can have your opinion that one or both MIGHT be better. But you need to do it while looking at both sides of the story i.e. crediting Cardale for the 2014 NC but ignoring the fact that he was atrocious in 2015 after the coaching change.

Comment 18 Apr 2017

  JTs records are based on stats where Urban Meyer has provided JT with a huge talent advantage on the field

Joe Burrow's passer rating in mop up duty is nearly identical to JTs over to course of the 2014 season. So when Burrow had an extremely large talent advantage against teams second and third string defenses, he performed as well as JT did over the course of a whole season against starters.

See, I can use distorted facts to argue a point too

Comment 18 Apr 2017

If you read my post, it clearly states I feel Burrow and Haskins are better passers than JT Barrett. Neither of them however, can sniff JT in the read option (the staple of Meyer's offense), scrambling, or leadership skills. I think the latter 3 better suit the offense as it is designed when run with a competent offensive coaching staff. Urban Meyer and Kevin Wilson appear to agree as well.

Now should JT struggle early in the season, I would have zero problem with making a change. But we all saw what JT can do with a competent OC in 2014, and he's earned the right to prove he can return to that form because unlike Haskins or Burrow, he's proven he can do it.