I think you missed an obvious candidate in Donovan Munger. The DL will rotate a lot of players and he could emerge and the best 1 technique DT on the team.
I'm late to this thread, but anyone who doesn't think that THE BAND is part of the FOOTBALL tradition/conversation at THE OHIO State University hasn't been paying any attention to what THE BAND means to FOOTBALL.
It's TBDITL. It's part of the core value of the program and sets US apart from the vast majority of the rest of the 120 other BCS schools. I've met multiple long time PAC12 fans who have gone to a game at the Shoe, and each and every one of this says the exact same thing in the first 30 secs when they find out I'm a big time Buckeye... it goes something like this... My friend told me we have to hurry to get into the stadium early and get to our seats BEFORE the band entrance. .. I said why? and bitched the whole time about leaving the tailgate early... and then ... THE DAMN band comes on the field.... never seen anything like it. That's what College Football is all about. Period.
Priorities .... period. Someone is stupid enough to get married on a Saturday btwn the last w/e of August and the second w/e of January... joke's on them....or scheduling a holiday "dinner" in the middle of the afternoon. My true stories.
1. Dissed the entire family and watched the Game of the Century - OK v Nebraska in 1971... AT MY AUNTS HOUSE. Boy was she pissed, but not as much as my Uncle who couldn't join me in the basement. I'll always love my mom for letting me do this. She hated my Aunt.
2. NY Day wedding for family best friend.... Say What?? I said no as soon as I heard about the date, then OSU was playing UCLA in the Rose Bowl... No became HELL NO. No one ever forgave me for about two months.... I never cared.... pretty soon they all forgot about it.
3- N. Multiple times I've been invited - luckily not part of - CFB Day/Night weddings. SoP was to skip either the ceremony, or part of the reception and watch the game from Home, Hotel or worst case nearby bar. In all cases the bride and groom had NO IDEA. Fortunately, the game in question didn't overlap the meal.... If it did and it wasn't the end of the game, and there was a nearby bar.... I'd make the sacrifice for the quarter...
Guys get it straight... the NCAA doesn't enforce or even care about the law or morality. They care about one thing = the principal of amateurism.
Winston steals crab legs = no problem
Booster gives Winston free crab legs at a restaurant = violation
Can't you see the logic? Think the judge in the O'Bannon case will see the logic??? Me either.
Miles is great, but Spurrier is THE BEST media day coach of all freaking time.
couple of faves
On how he got to South Carolina?
“Some people ask, ‘How did you end up there?’ I said, ‘I was available and they were the only ones who offered me a job the end of 2004.' "
On the pending trophy (a bronze sculpture of James Bonham, a South Carolina soldier who died defending the Alamo) awarded to the winner of the South Carolina-Texas A&M game?
“I heard about it. Read about it. Didn’t know it was official yet. I’m actually from Tennessee. I always was taught the hero of the Alamo was Davy Crockett, so this was a new one on me.
“It’s a good story, I’m sure Bonham did some good things. I always thought Davy Crockett was the hero of the Alamo, he and those 33 Tennessee guys that came in there and got killed, so forth. So the trophy was a little surprising to me. I’m sure this guy Bonham was a hero and did a lot of good, after I read the story.”
First of all HOW FREAKING BIG is Pryor. He makes a future LB for the Steelers look tiny.
Also it's clear he's been in the league and the other two dudes are still buyin shit like it's going out of style, which most of their swag is based on the pics.
The process to get there will be interesting, but the end game IMO will be 4 POWER conferences with ~64 teams. That way there is a pure playoff and no committee. The 5 conference set up will have to go, and realignment is already underway.
The BIG5 today comprise 65 teams, and all of them will want a seat at the table (the TV money) but not all of them will be able to afford the "ante" (annual cost to enter/stay). Net net if your school is not in one of the existing 5.... it will take some massive luck to make the initial cut.
My crystal ball says some teams that are currently in will opt out, and some others will take their place. It will be painful but a school with crappy FB and BB teams and crappy facilities to boot will find it financially impossible to "play" = Unless you already have a solid foundation OR Phil Knight or Boone Pickens is an alum OR you are located in/near a zip code with a few million eyeballs.... you are done.
Obvious teams on the bubble.... Washington State, Utah, Oregon State, Iowa and Iowa state, Mississippi State. There are others who may simply not want to pay the fee or have faculty/administration issues with the commitment (GA Tech comes to mind), but the previous list of schools look to be in no man's land.
From a conference perspective... the key is to start the negotiation with the optimum mix of TV rights = eyeballs. Here Delaney is a GENIUS. Rutgers and Maryland were available and who else could he get in those zip codes??
The SEC, B1G and PAC12 are IN. The Big XII as it is.... is toast. This is why Mizzou and TA&M moved among other reasons. The ACC has shitty CFB teams but great CBB teams, the U's are generally LOADED and near major media markets.
School of thought???? try this. Read the DAMN article, which was well written. Recruiting services miss.... a lot. No knock on them. There are 1000's of HS FB players and the talent range from state/division to state/division is HUGE.
Some kids are flat out ballers who don't run around cones very fast, or jump over stationary objects very well. But they can make plays. See Chris Borland.
Some are late bloomers who play in woebegone conferences, see JL or MJ.
Some are absolute studs who may be mature in many ways not having to do with their athletic ability, see Mike Mitchell, or they get injured in a sport where the public isn't always told how badly they are hurt, or they get brain cramps when the lights go on.
Specifically, neither item in your school of thought apply to this case. His coach is excellent, and the kid has worked his ass off by all accounts.
The issue is one that is VERY typical. Curtis should have been moved to WDE. This is what Heacock was going to do with him. But Jim left, and we had a rash of injuries and off field issues with a number oft he other LB recruits so Curtis stayed at his original position. Curtis is built like an armored car and he is FAST. He has grown into a SOLID run stuffing MLB. He struggled last season in pass coverage. He doesn't have the hips for it = plays stiff. Some of that may have been uncertainty in coverage.... he wasn't alone.
I'm one for being solidly in this kid's corner all the way through. I hope he gets a huge ovation on senior day!
The drop off for the entire passing game happened for one simple reason. The game plan shifted - far too aggressively IMO - to feature Hyde and Smith running the ball, and in particular to emphasize explosive running plays.
The passing game went almost entirely vertical, and Devin was used as a deep threat... and when he was left inside Braxton never checked down to him. Watch the MSU game first half. Braxton is waiting on yet another deep downfield route to develop, while Devin is standing all alone in the flat.
Devin struggles to get off of press coverage, and his route running is inconsistent. His biggest issue tho is concentration and it really falls off if he doesn't see the ball.
No doubt playing a better schedule is a key. That's been cited everywhere. I don't think dominating a poor schedule matters at all.
Part of the schedule problem is the move to a 12 game schedule, and the "greedy" desire to fill that schedule with home games against teams you should easily beat. Funny huh. Maybe the fan's staying away and the playoff format will fix that. Better to play fewer home games against better opponents.
Good Thread... One thing that John U is all over that seems to be missed in the thread though is TRADITION! Michigan has it. Dave Brandon is ignoring it. It's not simply advertising around the stadium which most folks ignore... sort of like the ads on the side boards in a hockey game.
It's how the game is packaged AND priced.
Gene Smith came ohhhh sooo close to screwing the pooch on the latter this spring game by raising the price for the scrimmage to $20 on day of the game.
Buckeye fans don't want the Superbowl. We want a B1G football experience. Not Beyonce. WE want TBDBITL. TTUN fans want their Damn Band.
John U ALSO GOES ON big time to point out that TTUN didn't play cupcakes in Bo's day. The schedule was 10 games with good competition and no byes. They also didn't tee it up at noon or 3:30 or 8 PM. Shoe hit leather at 1:05. Set your watch to it.
John U's principal point and I fully agree is that the University Administrators need to get their shit together, and specifically take some control BACK from Disney and Fox. He points out the NW did this to a limited extent by telling ESPN where they could set up the live in stadium venue for the OSU NW game in Chicago last season.
Why do we want TTUN to be good again
Any questions.... they don't make HBO documentaries about Ohio State versus Purdue... for a reason. There is no rivalry if the other team sucks.
The Rivalry is well into its second century. But if TTUN keeps losing the way they have been for another 2 years .... the last ten years will be the Lost Decade.... or Ten Year Drought.
There is only one possible reason not to rotate... you have very poor depth.
This was the case in 2011, 12 and 13. A combination of recruiting misfires and injuries.
This season - unless injuries crop up - we will have some very solid experience and depth.
The open question is how LJ will deploy the starters who are effectively all DE's, and then mix in some of the next 4-6 guys. The issue is that the top 5-6 DL (assuming Smith and Lewis as next up) are all DEs. The three DT bodies (Schutt, Hill and Munger with Carter thrown in for "good measure") all have very little experience.
I see rotation as critical to the success - not so much for endurance, but to get some true NG's on the field. Playing either Washington or Bennett at the 1 Tech is a waste of talent IMO.
Folks hate to say it but Cell Phone performance is NOT the defining issue... at least not according to surveys taken at schools where the Student attendance is a problem ALREADY.
#1 In-stadium game environment. It's really "corporate" at TTUN and GA. Many of the PAC12 schools have general disinterest. The lack of beer sales is an issue, but OSU could "fix" that by letting people leave and come back during the game.
#1A Crappy opponent tied with an early start time. Get both and you WILL NOT get the students to come on time period, and/or come at all in many cases.
DJ your post in the back and forth over paying athletes is SOLID.
The trick is how to allocate the dough ray me in a way that doesn't further pollute the game in ways - that as you said TV has done without really trying.
CFB is SPECIAL.... and if everyone involved isn't careful it will crumble.
The athletes - in the main - don't become professional athletes and they do compete for their school. Even the stars. Tyrelle Pryor wants to come back and visit. Hell almost all of the ex players want to come back and hang out with the new kids their team mates and the fans.... They LOVE it.
How may pro team does that happen for where the ex star isn't getting PAID.
Should Braxton and the other dudes who likely will go pro get some smack. Absolutely. They could handle this the way they used to with Olympic athletes before TV and lame leadership ruined that sporting event.
I don't buy the argument that the kid who ends up as a bank teller got a raw deal, so long as he at least received a stipend and superior health insurance - as is being discussed. He got to play a sport he loves. He will take those memories and those moments with him to the grave and maybe beyond... who knows. He was never going to go pro. BTW I expect he doesn't buy too many meals or drinks when he's out on the town in Tuscaloosa.
The lab grad assistant is a bad analogy. The Sousaphone player in the band is a better analogy....
Who in the hell is Jordan Wagner, and why would 11W allow him or her to write anything on their site?
Speaking of playing D FENSE.... How about Hunter S Freaking Thompson. I've been a huge fan since reading his rants in the Rolling Stone in the 60's. WOW.
Great Find DJ!
Sadly... if the team doesn't win a B1G CG his legacy will be largely unfulfilled in a team sport and program that measures success by championships won.
And for that Alex can be glad... b/c whoever does lead the TTUN into the Shoe is going to get beat up pretty good.
Gardner might be able to avoid the rush, but he is an interception waiting to happen.
Sugar Shane if he is unfortunate enough to play much, will end up like the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz after his stuffing gets knocked out.
The DL needs one/both of the "true DT's" in the 2 deep to step up.
If Schutt and Hill don't establish themselves, 2014 will be the photo negative of the 2011 and 2012 DL's that didn't have effective rush ends when Williams got hurt and never recovered, and Simon was still built like a DT in '11 and then he got hurt too in 2012.
I'm sure LJ will maximize the talent, but at some point ya gotta stuff the A gap and neither of the starting DT's are built to do that and neither one of them showed they could do that in 2013.
All of the DL are DE's. Might happen, but I think at least one DT makes the list.
Also agree that I despise Ryan, but it's really envy that we didn't get him. I'd love that kid in S&G.
I'm really sorry to see the kid go and he showed a lot of promise, but it makes me glad I'm not a DC or DL coach since most fans are pretty clueless.
Marcus made a solid handful of great plays and showcased his outstanding athletic ability and nose for the football.
He also made a handful - being generous - of horrid plays that ended up in the end zone or significant gains for Clemson. He simply isn't/wasn't capable at the point of attack versus the run and in some cases didn't take the proper lane on his pass rush. The problem is that on D if you blow 5% of your assignments that could be 21 or more points the other way.
It's much more important on D to be consistently good, than occasionally outstanding. I'm sorry he's gone b/c you can coach consistency.... but some kids won't take it.
I don't think no huddle has anything necessarily to do with the spread. You can certainly run no huddle out of the I... and you can also run option and option pass plays out of the I.....
I also don't think that Saban wants to slow things down so he can sub in DBs. I do think he's trying to protect is 2 gap D linemen who by scheme have to be HUGE boys.... and esp the 0/1 technique kid.
No huddle with a ball control style will absolutely GAS your DL. ... and in spread so the kid is running hash to hash...
I don't see Cincy as a trap either. It'll be a tough game, but it's hardly like we'll be surprised.
By the time we play them I expect them to look solid on both sides of the ball.
A trap game in my definition is one where the opponent is generally thought to be weak, but could surprise you, and is right before or after a tough game. Cincy is right before B1G play, but we open with Maryland and Rutgers who I expect will be regarded as weaker than the Bearcats.
Minnesota - after Sparty and Indiana - before TTUN fit the bill IMO.
This is one of the few articles from Ramzy that misses the bigger picture, which is that attendance at CFB games is declining slightly overall and the decline is dramatic in some cases with the student base.
The spring game should have sent a pretty clear message.... the core fan base at OSU is VERY keen on the price of the tickets.
THE THING that separates CFB (and CBB to a lesser extent) from all other major sports is the game day experience, and how that is translated to the media. Whether the athletes are "true" students or not is debatable. But there isn't much to debate about the fans.. they are either students at the school now, were students at the school before or in some way relate to the school and the students from outside... and live somewhat vicariously through the them. For example, Buckeye Nation loves the jump in Mirror Lake or Tiger Nation love Toilet Papering the trees in Toomers Corner whether they ever did it or not.
If jackasses like Gene Smith and the folks that run ESPN, CBS, Fox and BTN don't take special care to foster and ensure the stadiums are full, the students are included as part of the action and the tailgates are thriving.... CFB could become just another minor league sport