A major part of recruiting is getting the right personalities. Matta shouldn't be recruiting players without a drive to get better. It's a natural part of the due diligence process when you're making scholarship offers. Its no excuse.
I believe you on Markell Johnson. He is really fun to watch play. I'm not really there on Andre Wesson, though. I dont really see much athleticism there.
david bell has a long way to go man. Giddens was a lot better
JJ wasn't much of a post player. Think you mean the other Sullinger that has not chimed in on this topic.
Re: Titus' comments on getting better players, who are these guys supposed to be? I don't see any 2016 class guys that will come to OSU with higher rankings than the guys leaving. Markell Johnson may reclassify to 2016, but he's not a higher ranked prospect than Giddens or Grandstaff. Maybe there are transfers out there that we don't know about?
I love Matta but this stuff looks bad. How many of you would take a job if there was a revolving door of players going in and quickly leaving? It's a bad signal that won't help recruiting efforts. I'll cut Matta slack on Grandstaff bc it looks like he had a baby and needed to be closer to family, but these players leaving along with D'Angelo's harsh words about work ethic are concerning.
OSU basketball has trended in the wrong direction the last few years. I wanted to give Matta time bc he had a young team of well thought of recruits, but with these players leaving that foundation of young players must be replaced. I don't see 2016 impact class recruits available, so that leaves 2017 class guys and transfers which may or may not be eligible next season. Funderburk and Potter aren't instant impact guys. Matta has made well over $20 million in his career and has major back problems -- does he want to deal with this? I wouldn't blame him for moving on if that is what he chooses to do.
One thing that has stood out to me over the past few years at Ohio State has been the lack of physical development. A lot of these guys look like they've never set foot in a weight room. Amir Williams, Marc Loving, Sam Thompson are prime examples. LaQuinton Ross was a good player but was also rail thin. I also love JaeSean Tate and he may just not have the build, but he's not muscular at all. I know being muscular doesnt mean youre going to be a good basketball player, but it is an indicator of effort off the court. Its just not too surprising when I hear of laziness b/c it shows.
Football is a different game and muscle is more important, but in the OSU football program when Mickey Marotti gets a hold of you, you get sculpted. I have not seen too much evidence of this with the basketball team.
Ive lived within the city of Chicago for 5+ years and never felt in danger. The violence is heavily concentrated toward certain neighborhoods that anyone with sense would stay away from.
Piece in Wicker Park is great. Its thin crust but is my favorite pizza place in the city. Good bar there and it's seats a lot more people than Pequods. For as popular as Pequods is, its a really small place.
I'm a supporter of Thad Matta. There's a lot of programs out there that would love to have him. I think the thing that has hurt the program the most was the lack of development of the 2011 recruiting class. Shannon Scott, Sam Thompson and Amir Williams were highly recruited and never developed. Often times you mix talented players like them as seniors with a NBA lottery pick freshman (D'Angelo Russell), and you've got a 1-3 seed in the NCAA tournament. Had those 3 players developed and the team performed last year, the struggles of this season would be easily forgiven as a rebuilding year.
Matta has put together a talented group of freshman and sophomores that were highly recruited but not obvious NBA talents. If this crop of talent doesn't develop much like Scott, Thompson and Williams then it may be time to move on. OSU doesn't have many scholarships or major impact talent in the 2016 or 2017 classes after they missed out on Simmons, so future success really depends on Lyle, Giddens, Harris, Tate, Bates-Diop, Thompson, Williams, etc. developing in coming years. I think you give Matta the next two years to see how things go and if this team peaks out as a 5-seed, it'll be time for a change but we're not there yet. This is a really young team with two freshman PG's.
Update; Grimes even just retweeted Birm throwing shame on TTUN
I hypothesize Haskins' tweet was about Trevon Grimes ('17 WR) verballing. Check out Grimes' twitter page; he's hating on Harbaugh's recruiting tactics. Also lots of retweets about Ohio State. He'd be a HUGE get for OSU.
Good luck to Bruce.
There's no need to overload the '16 class with 3 WR's when you've got two stud WR's in the 2017 class that are very interested in Ohio State. Trevon Grimes and Donovan Peoples-Jones are big time WR prospects and apparently very interested in OSU -- I have a feeling this is what Birm means when he says, "Relax, Urban and his coaching staff knows what they are doing". Grimes' tapes are pretty ridiculous.
I think it's Vonn Bell, too. In hindsight, Bosa turned out to be outstanding but Bell was symbolic. Bell was heavily recruited by the SEC schools and to pull him out of Georgia and bring him up to Ohio was huge. I don't think many people thought that Bell would end up at Ohio State, but Urban getting him to Columbus sent a message that Ohio State was a force to be reckoned with in the South. Raekwon McMillan was next, and he was a HUGE boom out of Georgia, too.
I hear people on Bosa but he wasn't the 5 star recruit like Bell and McMillan that were highly coveted by big programs down in the SEC. Bama wanted Bell big time. It was kind of foreshadowing for Bama and those guys that OSU was for real, and that point was hammered home Jan 1, 2015.
Honestly, if you're not a 1st or 2nd round pick, that's not much money after taxes. Even late 2nd round isn't much when you consider how talented/accomplished these guys are. These guys should get a lot more money than they do.
All of these guys that are leaving early played a huge part in bringing a national title to Ohio State. These guys could have easily mailed in the Fiesta Bowl prepping for the NFL Draft, but they didn't. They beat Notre Dame in convincing fashion. They killed TTUN after the season's momentum was lost. These guys played hard until the end. Fans could ask nothing more than what these players have given the program. Best of luck to them in the draft.
What is the deal with Justin Hilliard? He was a major recruit and looked awesome in high school, yet I haven't heard his name as much as I would have thought. It took him a while to get his black stripe removed. What is the story on him?
Thomas, Lee, Bell, Apple, Elliot, Bosa...all of them leaving makes sense. You guys were great, won a national title for Ohio and are due to get big paychecks...everybody wins...thank you and best wishes.
I think Jalin Marshall, Gareon Conley and Tyvis Powell leaving would be a mistake. Marshall has a lot of room for growth and would be the key skill guy on the offense next year. Conley has a lot of potential but had some rough spots this year. Marshall and Conley look like potential 1st round guys in 17, but not 16. Powell never struck me as a big NFL prospect.
Keeping Elflein, Marshall, Conley and Powell with one of Bell or Apple would be a big plus for OSU next year. Also, Torrance Gibson said he's coming back to OSU so that'll squash the transfer rumors. He could be an impact player next year.
Jahsen Wint = Christian Bryant 2.0?
He is very athletic. I don't think he is a shooter, but I think he will be an unconventional player with ball handling and passing skills in a 6'7", 225 lbs frame. I think he's a Small Forward with some point guard characteristics. I think he and Jae'Sean Tate are very unconventional players with no real true position, but Mitchell is going to be really fun to watch. Having Tate and Mitchell on the floor at the same time will be interesting.
Bad news, but DT is an area of a lack of experience for OSU. This is a good opportunity to get some reps for Munger, Hill and Sprinkle in an important game. Definitely let the Sr.’s get their reps in b/c they deserve it but OSU really needs Munger, Hill and Sprinkle to step up next year. Extra motivation for them.
Jarrett Guarantano seems like the perfect fit for OSU's offense. Any news on him? I know OSU wanted him; OSU only offered Wallace after Guarantano committed to Tennessee.
Negotiating leverage to get more $$$ from MSU 'friends of the program'
How about Dwayne Haskins and his Maryland commitment? He doesn't seem to be a lock to sign there.