The guy with the #44 jersey never persuaded me to vote for him, but the man is a pro at events like this. I'm sure he was briefed on who was who with the Ohio State team, but he has a comfort in talking about sports that can't be faked. I thoroughly enjoyed watching that.
2030? I'll go with the under - way under. He will not be here longer than 10 years. There is a ton of pressure here. Expectations are usually too high. Stress has gotten to him before. A few 3-4 loss seasons with some arrests and 5 star busts could do him in. What's this guy got to prove? There will come a point where he will have to decide whether he wants to put up with all of it any longer. I will say, if they get on a roll like Alabama has been on, he will ride that wave for as long as it lasts. But folks, it won't last to 2030.
I was told by a CEO a while back when I asked him why he left a successful position to take another position. He told me, "Any leader of an organization spends the first two years instilling a culture into the organization, then spends the next 8-13 years riding the wave of that culture. Somewhere between 10-15 years, your wave has crested, you are tired of everyone around you, they are tired of you, and it's time to move on to the next challenge. It's good for everyone." Having watched some good leaders, some of them coaches, stay too long - I'm inclined to believe the CEO is on to something.
As a fan who likes to sit at home in his comfortable easy chair and eat stuff out of my relatively inexpensive fridge - and yet one who likes to attend at least a game a year - I have taken in a lot of these in-state games in Ohio Stadium over the years. Most of them have been blow outs. A few of them have had me squirming, but that also might have been due to the sun beating down on me, the heat, or a bad hot dog, or the fact that I had someone's knees in my back for 4 hours.
But I am thankful that I got to see the famous mascot fight with Ohio U a few years ago. Brutus got his ass kicked, but Ohio State won the game. I've seen most of the Buckeye wins over all the in-state teams in the last 30 years. A few of them were close affairs - mainly because Tressel beleived in defense, special teams, and Dave, but on some occasions it was because the other guys were playing really well.
But here is hoping I never have to walk out of Ohio Stadium with my tail between my legs because OSU lost to Miami or the like.
Corruption, or righteousness, is in the eye of the beholder. If your are pre-disposed to believe Urban does stuff like running guys off, then it's clear evidence of what you already believe. If you think Urban is a coach who cares about his players, but also makes decisions based on what is best for the entire team, then this is evidence of that.
I'm not naive to the ways of the world, but I also have faith in Urban that he is trying to do the right thing by everyone. But to those who believe different, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind.
I know this conversation petered out, but I think I have a little something different to add.
Are we talking about Bob Knight the man or the coach? If we are talking about the coach, his record speaks for itself. There were multiple national championships, including an undefeated season, and tons of accomplishments. There was obviously an element of genius in the man related to coaching basketball. That can't be taken away, although he stayed at least 5 years too long at Indiana. He wore out his welcome and wore out everyone else. The game, the kids, and culture was changing, but the General does not change. His coaching at TT was above average, but not great. Maybe that had more to do with TT than Bob, but I sensed his best coaching days were way, way behind him at that point.
The Bob Knight I observed for 40 years was too volatile, couldn't shut up when he was angry, couldn't apologize, went out of his way to be prickly, and rarely had an ounce of tact. If he wasn't winning basketball games, we would call him a giant asshole (and many outside of Indiana did). He once took a crap at halftime, wiped his butt, and came out to show it to his team (metaphor for how they were playing). He went nose to nose while snarling the worst profanities at his players. He shoved them, grabbed them, head-butted, and choked them. His rape comments give you an insight into his strange mind. If any one of these events were isolated, you could argue that they were simply due to momentary human fallibility, but they occured consistently over decades. He could not control his anger and his behavior, and it would appear that he didn't want to - or perhaps he felt he was above having to conform to normal human decency toward others. He expressed this perfectly when he said, "I beg they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my ass." His apologists like to embrace, even celebrate, this attitude/behavior, but I would argue that they would not tolerate the same living under their roofs. He wore his disdain for everyone that he didn't respect (evidently a very large list) on his sleeve, and rarely passed up an opportunity to demean and intimidate people. In short, he was a bully. Also in short, as a man, he was despicable, and someone I would use as an example to my children and grandchildren to illustrate how NOT to act and treat others.
My vet, Dr. Eric Shaver (OSU alum) has had one of those scUM hydrants outside of his office in Berlin, Ohio for at least 15 years.
Several years ago, Dr. Gee visited Dr. Shaver's office and took delight in seeing the hydrant. It makes me wonder if Dr. Shaver isn't involved in seeing it replicated at the vet clinic at OSU.
I had a thought on this, and then I read down and saw that you had expressed it perfectly. I was going to say Warriner could take my little sister at RG and get 200 rushing on Alabama, but dog poo works too. Not that there is any other relationship between my sister and dog poo.
It may be time to put away the Grown and Sexy, but that is a rich and deep pool. Something tells me it will live on.
Sorry, I couldn't resist. No wish for injury, just a play on words. Sense of humor is variable.
Big break? Did our 6'11" post suffer a fracture?
It ain't right, but I'm going to do it anyway. I am so happy that the career of a certain player is coming to an end. I can't stand to watch a guy any longer who can't catch the ball, can't grab the ball, can't score from 2 feet away, and mainly just chews up minutes without contributing anything of any significant value. It's been an excruciating 4 years. The gap between potential and actualization is as wide as any player in my memory.
A wife with the remote control can do a lot of damage. There ought to be a law.
And another thing - if she isn't conscious, she can't consent. If she says "no", stop yourself.
I wonder what Vegas would set the over/under at regarding "Well, shit" moments from now through August?
Michael, you may be asking too much of 100 or so 18-22 year old college men. There are always a couple of dumbasses.
"Arrogance unknown to human kind."
Dang you. When I saw this topic I was going to use that one. Some of us have to work before we can play. :)
ScUM is no different than any other B1G or other school in the sense that their fan base is made up of really good folks, haters, and nut jobs. The problem I have with them is this air they put off where graduating from, or cheering for, the school whose football team puts wings on their helmets creates a higher class of human beings. It reminds me of the kids I went to college with who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run, had never done a hard days work in their life, sat around tasting white wine and brie, wearing elbow pads on their jackets, and looking down on us poor slobs who worked our way through school, drank beer while eating peanuts, and wore jeans and t shirts. I hated that attitude then, hate it now, and especially hate it when I see it coming out of Ann Arbor - which is often.
Home is where the fart is.
I get your point. I know some guys who boycott, and are pretty committed to it, but they still "cheat". I did say "most", not "all". But my sense of it is that many who claim to absolutely boycott at all times, are not being completely honest.
I would like to avoid ESPN. It's just too dang convenient, and they are really good at covering CFB.
I have always said in regards to MM that if I see him, I am obligated to fight him.
That said, proud members of Buckeye Nation, he is playing a role - although I do suspect that there are some underlying reasons he enjoys that role so much. But his role is to put OSU football into the worst light, exaggerate their failures, and diminish their successes. In doing so, he is tweaking the nose of a large and passionate fan base, which draws eyeballs to ESPN, and they are laughing all the way to the bank.
Some in our nation proudly claim that they boycott ESPN because of May and the "bias". I think most of them are liars. ESPN covers college football better than anyone ever has, or probably ever will. If you love CFB, you are watching ESPN. The better response to May, or any other ESPN personality who wants to play that role, is to ignore them. That's what will really bother them. But when May hurls insults, and he gets a bunch of venom coming back at him through the Twitterverse, he is getting exactly what he wants.
And, of course, the ultimate victory - the thing that shuts him up - is for Urban's Buckeyes to beat Alabama and Oregon. At that point, his role becomes absurd - which is why we haven't seen him on the air. Unfortunately, he is at home calculating how to speak from the angle that the 2014 season is over, and the Buckeyes will not be able to duplicate that success this fall. And when he starts spouting that stuff, we will be outraged, and that will be his signal that he is still doing exactly what ESPN is paying him to do.
I have some friends who are Husker fans. I asked about him, and I basically got the complaints almost every fan base levels at their OC - "predictable play calling, not creative enough, would like to see him throw/run more, we lost this game because of that play call, etc."
As has been noted, Taylor Martinez was a good athlete, but there is no other way of saying it - he threw like a girl. Tommy Armstrong is a decent QB. He can grow into a good one over the next few years, but probably will never be a great one. Ron Kellogg was a brief blip on the radar screen.
I've heard old coaches asked a question, and they all deliver a variation of the same answer:
"What made you such a successful coach?"
"I had great players."
Thank you for your service - and your opinion.
My pony is Johnny Dixon - as a field-stretcher. I base that on his HS reputation, and the reputation of the coaching staff developing players.
But I love Corey. He has had some infamous moments: the drop in the endzone vs. Va Tech and the fumble in the NC game. But he did some phenomenal things on kick coverage and seemed to mostly conquer his dropsies. I think he can be big for whoever the QB is/QB's are next fall.
I know the rules. Someone noted that a parade might be a target for terrorism - a reasonable assumption. My comment was neither political or religious. Congratulations - you noted the absurdity of something that was meant to make a point by being absurd.
Now, as for soldiers who actually have put their lives on the line to protect us from these morons, their job is to kill the enemy before the enemy kills them and us. They necessarily develop a negative attitude toward the enemy. They dehumanize the enemy because it's hard to kill someone when you think that they are really just misguided souls who have a mother, siblings, and people who love them.
But I just love people who miss the irony of the fact that the reason they have the freedom to not do this kind of dirty work, sit on their ass, and criticize what soldiers do, and the attitude they have to do it with - that this freedom of theirs is precidely because soldiers do what they do with the attitude they do it with.
That's my son's line. I adapted it. He fought these people in Iraq during "The Surge" in 2008. His solution to the problem was: "Build a lead shield dome over Israel, and turn the whole region into glass."
Nothing seems to deter these Islamist terrorists, but you don't mess with Buckeye Nation's celebration of a national championship. That's how sand gets turned into glass.
Cardale's ceiling is higher? What house are we in? I suspect it's the NFL house. If so, I agree. But the Ohio State QB's aren't going to be playing in the NFL next fall. In Urban Meyer's offense, they run the zone read as the base play, put the ball in the QB's hands, and let him make almost all the decisions as to where the ball goes on the ground and in the air - and JT Barrett ran that offense as well as I've ever seen it run. I think you may want to go back and look at what he did from the Va Tech game on, or just consult the Ohio State and B1G record books. I mean, seriously, it's not even debatable. And he did that with an OL that was developing, and a Zeke that was in pre-monster status. He is accurate, not just according to stats, but to the eye in terms of where he places the ball, allowing the receiver to do a lot with it after it is caught. Again, go back and look at the last 10 regular seasons games. It is true that he is not as good of a downfield 40 yards passer as 12 (who is?), but on the shorter throws that the offense requires to move the chains, he was incredibly accurate.
Not taking anything away from Cardale. He throws that deep ball really well, and he ran over people for all those 1st downs on his own, but to think his play didn't benefit from the rise in level of play from the entire team, is a little short-sighted. Because he does those couple things well, eventually teams would develop ways to limit him in those, but with JT the offense becomes a nightmare for defenses because the ball can go to every skill player, in a variety of ways, on any play.
Cardale is a hero. He was unbelievable, and he led us to a national championship. If Urban wants to change the offense to power running and downfield passing, then 12 is the guy for that. But just remember, the guy he most often connected with, #9, won't be playing for Ohio State next year. But if Urban Meyer wants to primarily run the offense he has run since BG, JT is the guy to do that - and it's not even close.
I don't think it matters a hoot what we think, but I have a little experience with lockerrooms. With three guys, you have the potential for three factions - and that ain't good for a football team. Ohio State won the national championship because they had "it" in Dec and Jan. I'm not sure I know what "it" is fully, but part of what "it" is is togetherness. Urban has to resolve this in a way that allows next year's team to have "it".