Yep, JT blew that one. But I think Urban is reaching for something to challenge JT with. I'm guessing JT makes the right read around 85% of the time - which is pretty good as often as they run read plays. For comparison (without doing a statistical analysis), I would guess Braxton Miller made the correct read about half of the time, but he would turn a good number of his bad reads into great plays using his freakish athleticism. In short, JT is ridiculous in his decision-making. He has been described as "surgical". I ain't arguing.
The worst experience I ever had with fans occurred in Ohio Stadium with a couple of boys that were Ohio State students and fans. I was sitting there with my 14 year old daughter (who looked 18) to my right, and to her right were these morons. They were drunk, but I had barely noticed because I put my headphones on, tuned in to The Fan, and was listening to the broadcast. I was totally concentrating on the game. At some point in the 1st qtr my baby girl elbows me and says, "Daddy, this guy next to me keeps spitting snuff by my foot and splashing it on my ankle." Sure enough, she had stains on her anklet socks and her shoes. Then she says, "And they are saying (sexually) suggestive stuff to me." Oh my God. Papa Bear went into a rage. I was so pissed. I threw down my headphones, started screaming at those idiots, and everyone about 3 bleachers around started clearing out because, evidently, I looked and sounded like I was going to murder those boys. They thought so too, it seems, because they beat cheeks out of there, and we didn't see them the rest of the day. Good thing they did or I would probably still be serving time. :)
I always chuckle at these threads. It's a study in sociology. I can guarantee you that Oklahoma forums have similar threads that have the following general observations: "Ohio State fans were... awesome...mixed bag...one guy was horrible."
Sports breaks us up into "us" and "them" - and "them" are the enemy, so they must be bad throughout, otherwise we will not be able to view them as "them", and that confuses us. At the same time, when the event is over, we feel good that "them" weren't as bad as we expected, or perhaps we feel good that they were as bad as we expected. But you walk through a crowd of "them" and sit around a few hundred of "them", and depending on where you walked and sat, you are willing to draw conclusions about a much larger group of people.
My experience has been that people are people no matter where you go. Every group that's not criminal or evil in its intentions has a sizable majority of good folks, a number of people you would prefer to keep some distance from, and another number that are deplorable. Sometimes alcohol or other factors turn good folks into bad ones. I've been to tons of sporting events at all levels, and I've met some of the best and worst people from opposing fan bases - and I've found the exact same thing setting in the middle of a throng in Ohio Stadium.
So, we can end these threads if we just accept that truth that people are people - no matter where you go. Don't tell anyone, but this even applies to those people in Ann Arbor.
There is some hype with this kid, but that's what happens when you have great ability - and anyone who can't see his ability just doesn't want to. I watch all scUM games. Heck, I watch almost every game that's on TV, but I like to know my enemy. Jabrill is an enemy worthy of respect.
That said, he's not the greatest defensive player of all time like some delusional scUM fans think, and he didn't make that great of an impact in The Game last year. In fact, JT did a little wiggle and went for a TD on him, making him look silly. He's not Charles Woodson, and implying he is Woodson is an insult to Woodson. But he is a very, very versatile and good player. He is reaping the benefits of being used in special pressure and run blitz packages that free him up and he is cashing that in for sacks and TFLs. Good for him, but can you use him like that against Ohio State? You are going to run him at the QB or RB and let one of our monster's run free or be covered by a lesser athlete? I wouldn't, but that's why they are paying Don Brown the big bucks.
I love how opposing fans and Urban haters keep adjusting their schedule for his breakdown. When he was hired: "He won't last 3 years". A couple years in: "The 20 players arrested will put him over the edge." When Harbaugh was hired: "He will have another anxiety attack when Jim the Booger Eater beats him." And, yet, here we are.
It is a legit point to say that Ohio State has not played a team with the talent and coaching to be able to exploit the Buckeye's youth - although I think Tulsa did to a small degree in the first half of last week's game - a game Ohio State won 48-3.
You beat the Buckeyes by employing Tressel-ball (Dantonio 2x), taking advantage of the youth/inexperience of a unit (VT), or by finding and exploiting a major weakness like pass coverage (Clemson). Oklahoma doesn't play Tressel-ball. It will be interesting to see what inexperience and weakness they think OSU has and whether they can exploit it. If they can't find something to exploit, it will be a long night in Norman as the Bucks lower the boomer on the Sooners. But if they can exploit something on both sides of the ball, it will be a classic.
My gut instinct is to say that Ohio State can do to Oklahoma what Houston did, except the Bucks have better, faster players to do it with. I think Tulsa provided a partial blueprint on limiting OSU. Throw something at the OL they don't expect, and keep the OSU offense out of rhythm for as long as possible. Stunt on defense, be aggressive with run and pass blitz, and hope you don't get burned. But over 60 min. you have to find a way defensively to limit Weber run, Barrett run and pass, Samuel and Wilson run and catch, and TE/WR catch. Offensively you have to establish the run against the front 7 or the pass against the back 7. Too much for mortal defenses and offenses to handle, but we will see.
We had tons of talent on offense and defense last year, and those guys moved on. We have tons of talent this year, particularly at skill positions. The difference I see is that this group is HUNGRIER. Let's hope they stay that way.
I don't disagree with your take on that except in the sense that talent is a necessary ingredient in attaining the ultimate success, but not the determining ingredient. A team that reaches its potential has to avoid injuries at key positions, have a closeness/togetherness/unity, remain properly motivated over a season, and have a whole bunch of things go right that coaches and players can't necessarily control or create.
But I upvoted you because the talent was there last year and the expectations were reasonable. However, as we saw, they looked more like a #20 team while winning those first 6-7 games, then started pulling it together, only to lose it against Sparty, and then they refocused to look like the team we thought they would be against scUM and ND. But it was a process for them to get there, despite the talent level, and the intangibles weren't good until late in the year.
I've watched Ohio State look meh in a lot of season openers. They looked pretty sharp at VT last year, but that was a veteran team against a fairly high profile opponent. The motivation and mindset is different at home vs. a MAC opponent you are supposed to beat by 4 TD's.
So, I'm expecting issues with OL, interior DL, some back 7 missteps, some dropped balls, wrong routes, etc. If we get a sharp game out of the Bucks, we won't know what their issues are and whether that game helped fix them. We won't find out against Tulsa either. We will know where they are in Norman.
This team will have to grow like the 14 team did. It's going to be fun to watch them do it. But I think it's more realistic to expect us to have some real concerns once the BG game is over.
You can say what you want about Finebaum - and probably half of it will be true - but he is the only guy talking CFB May-Aug. I'm a CFB junkie so I dvr his show 3 times a week during that period. I will tape it on Mondays if the SEC has an epic fail during the season. So, if Wisky downs LSU, I will want to see the meltdown.
It's interesting that his show simultaneously celebrates southern culture AND makes fun of it. One of the best things about his show is hearing these people, like Tammy, totally lose it or the absolutely stupid things some of them say. On the other hand, you have callers and guests who give great analysis and info or those who are just amazingly funny and entertaining. It's a mixed bag of the ridiculous and worthwhile - which seems to be a pretty good formula. I'm in.
BTN needs to learn and give me something from May-Aug besides the 40th airing of the previous year's Bucks-scUM game. I understand that they don't want to be outrageous and ridiculous, but have a couple of analysts talk about CFB a few times a week. As it is, Finebaum is all we junkies have, and it isn't half-bad.
The big variable is how good of a season these guys' teams will have. If you are the MOP on a playoff-contending team, you will be in New York. I love JTB, but I am also extremely biased toward him. If I think about the players that have made me say, "Wow!", I'm putting Watson and McCaffrey on that list. It's too easy for Fournette and Cook to end up with 80 yards in a couple of big games and take them out of the running. As darkhorses I would suggest the Pitt and PSU RB's.
I will give, possibly, two or three shits about all of this on signing day 2017. Until then, OK. But just in general, I love what Urban does in recruiting.
2014. He was the guy that got them there up to thru 11 3/4 games. He was on the team. He won a national championship.
So this doesn't turn into a JT vs. Cardale thing tho, we JT fans love Cardale for what he did to finish that thing off, and no one can ever take that away from him.
JT would have had something close to 88 TD's responsible for if he had actually played 13 games last year.
But I'm not bitter. :)
"Play" is not defined. Several of the guys Urban says will "play" will be on special teams. To not minimize that, Urban has said that guys will not play offense or defense unless they have played well on ST.
If Ohio State's defense is better than last year, it's over for the Big Ten.
And there it is. The best analysis of the 2016 season in one line. Nothing more needs to be said... but more will be said.
Rules are rules.
I wonder if Nick Saban allows his players to imitate him.
I just checked: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=alabama+players+imitate+coach+saban&view=detail&mid=D1FD3BE70CBF0680852DD1FD3BE70CBF0680852D&FORM=VIRE
Not bad, but I'll take our guys.
This time of year I have learned to temper expectations. There are so many variables that go into a CFB season that you can't be right about what things will look like in December - and if you are, you are just lucky.
Based on that thinking, the only thing I will predict is that we will not be feeling all that confident after less than awe-inspiring wins over BG and Tulsa - which is why the Bucks will win at Oklahoma. Can't wait to see if I'm right - I mean, lucky - on that one.
Yeah, I agree with that and don't want to be misunderstood. I'm not saying Danny Clark is a bad QB. He is obviously very talented. But his talent has to be put into the context of being a candidate to QB THE Ohio State University - one of the top programs in CFB.
When I watched Joe Burrow play live the one time, every time he threw the ball, I said or thought, "Wow" - due to how strongly he threw and how accurately. I didn't say or think "Wow" with Danny. He didn't throw with as much velocity, wasn't very accurate, and threw quite a few 50-50 balls into good coverage. Just an off night? Maybe. I did like how he scrambled. My nephew was one of the corners for New Philly. He's a smart kid with long arms, but not the kind of athlete you typically see at CB. He had a good game that night. Part of that is on the receivers, but they were open at times on him, but the ball wasn't delivered the way it needed to be.
Playing QB at Ohio State requires exceptional talent. When I saw Joe B play, it was his senior year. When I saw Danny, he was a junior. I'm sure he has worked hard in the off season. Maybe I will see something more exceptional this fall.
You are correct. Thanks for compensating for my dementia.
Have you seen him play?
Admittedly, I saw him play live one game and I watched him once on TV. The same was true for Burrow his senior year of HS. I've only got about 4 decades of watching football to rely on. That was my impression. Could it be wrong? Sure. But I'm not sure it constitutes a "terrible take". It's what I saw.
SVSM beat New Philly narrowly because they fed the ball to Sibley. The QB made a few good throws and was defended well on the rest of them. My instinct is to think scUM and Sparty defenses > the New Philadelphia Quakers. :)
I don't know how many Buckeye fans have seen Clark play. I saw him play New Philadelphia last year. He's a very good HS QB. Projecting him to a major program like Ohio State is tough. I saw Joey Burrow play in a playoff game his senior year. He was throwing the ball 40 yards with almost no arc. The arm talent with Burrow is really exceptional. It's the kind of thing you don't see often in HS.
My opinion? There is no comparison between Burrow and Clark. Danny isn't afraid of competition? That's great, but he is going to be competing against Joey - and he will lose that competition - and it won't be close. I would suggest that Danny look elsewhere and find a good fit for him. I believe that he will be a cautionary tale about getting symbols tattooed on your body prematurely.
The reality is that if Ohio State keeps him in the fold, they will have to pass on a 4 or 5 star player. It seems what is best for Ohio State and Danny is clear, but there's that dang tattoo.
I know we are most likely to beat them out when its all said and done (I hope) but how much is rivals riding Bama?
I am all out of shits to give about who finishes 1 vs. 2 vs. 7 vs. whathaveyou.
I just want to know generally who Ohio State is recruiting and who might come. But I am not going to spend one second worrying where some 17 year old decides to go to school.
But I have felt that for about 10 years that there is an "Alabama bump" - which is where Nick Saban starts going after a kid, and by virtue of that, he gets elevated a star. I don't know, but one senses that in recruiting the assumption is that Saban has the best class and that assumption is applied either to player ratings or the assessment of the class as a whole.
But circling back, in the end, who gives a shit?