Saw this somewhere and agree: scUM should send a blank check to the Harbaugh brothers and Les Miles. The first one who fills it out and cashes it is the new HFC at that school. If they don't, they will sorely regret it, and will extend our scheudenfreud.
And so begins the first bye-weekend. Please don't get arrested, Buckeyes.
That right there is the single most important message in this SS. Meyer should put that on a banner and hang it over the Woody.
But I would have him add one thing: "or I will personally kick the shit out of you, and if I need help, the strength coach is available."
I think JT has played really well. He "struggled" in the first half against VT against a defense that the Ohio State coaching staff had not prepared him to see because they had no idea it was coming. Kent State tried it and JT handled it fine - although there was a difference in the athletes playing the cover 0/Bear as opposed to VT.
He will see that exact thing on Nov 8 in E Lansing. Then we will know for sure whether he has learned how to deal with it. But so far, for a RS freshman, I think he is doing fine. This season's success or failure will ride on how well the Ohio State defense performs. Barrett will get better and better each week, and I expect he will be a big playmaker by the time November rolls around.
Most teams are going to go with a "count 1-2 ball is gone" passing attack precisely because they don't want Bosa and Co. hitting their QB - and then try to go long off play action when the defense isn't expecting it. But if Gunner wants to stand back there for 7 seconds and go through 4 reads, I'm all for it - but the training staff and the backup QB need to be on alert. :)
For me the "real question" is not anything other than whether OSU can defend the forward pass. Period. After watching that debacle last year we heard about this new and improved scheme and approach. Navy threw 4 times, so we couldn't tell. VT made some hay throwing, but the guys also made some plays. Kent State told us nothing except that OSU can beat the tar out of a team that is overmatched. But Kiel will show us where we are, and I am really looking forward to finding that out.
Ohio State will win the game because UC's D will not be able to stop them. Kiel will make some plays, but I want to see an aggressive secondary that might give up a few big ones, but also gets off the field on 3rd down and gets a few picks. I don't want to hear about an improved pass defense, I want to see it. Seeing is believing. :)
I'm telling you, we had better have our pass defense fixed because Gunner Kiel can sling it. He played almost perfect in the first half against Toledo. Pretty much every throw was on time and on target. He fell off some in the 3rd qtr but came back strong at the end. So, our guys better be able to get pressure and cover.
That said, Cincy's defense doesn't look like it could stop my grandma. Still, I'd like to see an impressive Bucks win rather than a "we scored more than you" shootout.
And the hits just keep on coming.
Evidently, TJ Lane is no Andy Dufrain.
There are lots of ways to play football and win games. Tressel was actually more multiple than we give him credit for. When Troy Smith was in his later years, they did quite a bit of spread, and mixed it in with the more conservative/run Dave twice/throw an incomplete pass/be joyful to punt or kick a FG offense. His one constant was a tough defense that limited yards and points. He won a lot of games like that - albeit some of them were closer than they should have been - and he lost some games because sometimes your defense can't hold a 4 point lead. Stanford and Michigan St has had a lot of success doing the same thing. So has Alabama, but they have had such good personell that their offense has often been dominant even when the other team knew what was coming. These coaches want to get a lead, limit your scoring, and then squeeze you to death by working the clock by running the ball and passing when they have to.
Urban has the fast-paced spread that puts a defense on the field for more plays. It relies on having an exceptional player at QB. It's fun to watch an offense like that when it's humming, and fairly disturbing when a tired defense that knows the offense can cancel a score they give up, allows a team to go through them like a hot knife through butter. But with this approach, you are rarely out of any game because you think you can always score points. These coaches try to bury a team by 3 or more scores - essentially out-point the opponent. They get in trouble if the offense sputters and the defense is asked to carry the team - a role it isn't used to playing.
I see no need to prefer either UFM or JT over the other. But JT wore me out with doing a lot of talking and never saying anything, running 2 Daves for -2 yards, and playing things too close to the vest - no pun intended. So, right now, I will take the Meyer approach because it seems like a breath of fresh air, but it's not humming right now, so it's frustrating, but I'm not ready to kidnap Jim Bollman and have him sit in Tom Herman's chair.
When Urban first came here, he talked about how he wanted an "angry" team, and he referred to how angry his Florida team was that drubbed the Buckeyes in the NC game. He repeated the desire to have an angry team this summer.
I assume he wants a team with a chip on their shoulder, with something to prove, who plays with hostility and determination because of a sense of disrespect. I'm sorry, but I haven't seen much of that lately, despite having lost 3 out of 4, nearly losing to a hapless scUM squad, having had every talking head in the country belittling them and their conference, and basically having a defense that resembled the French trying to stop a German invasion. At what point, or what does it take, to get these guys to collectively get pissed off?
I don't think a coach can manufacture genuine anger. It has to come from within those guys and it has to be pervasive. I think I saw it in Va Tech the other night. I definitely saw it in Sparty in last year's B1G CG. I'm still waiting to see it in my Buckeyes, and I hope to see it soon.
Wasn't it Herman who called plays for the offense last year that was the most productive in Ohio State history? Hmmm....
I will give you that some calls at individual critical moments have been questionable on occasion.
Here's the weakness of the Meyer-Herman offense: it requires an uber talented runner and an adequate passer at QB to make it run. In this case, the success of the entire program was arguably placed on the health of a very talented player who has a history of getting hurt and missing games. It has come back to bite them in the butt big time this year.
JT is a really good player, and he will be fine. He just wasn't ready for what Tech threw at him the other night, and he didn't get much help.
Still, this is Ohio State. When a guy goes down, I expect an exceptionally talented, well-coached player to take his place and perform adequately. But when your offense relies on that one guy, and he goes down, you can't replace experience with inexperience and expect good results. And so, this is where we are.
Alert: find the mute button on your remote now.
The spread is the dominant offense in CFB. Defenses are seeing it every day in practice and 10 times or more a year. Defenses are just getting better at going against it.
The spread is designed to stress a defense, but to do that, you have to have a QB who can stretch the field vertically, and skill position players who can stress the edges. Of course, the OL makes all of it possible by opening holes and protecting. If they are dominant, you can run between the tackles. If you have a Braxton Miller, you have another runner that scares you to death, and it is impossible to scheme against a scramble.
Ohio State did not scare Va Tech. They didn't respect the Buck's OL. They were willing to give up some long passes IF Barrett could connect. They plugged the middle running lanes and brought the defense up to cover the edges. And they could do that because they weren't too worried about the QB run or scramble.
Most importantly, the Tech D chose to not be stressed but chose to stress the offense and the young QB. Herman had to come up with a way to take what was being given by the defense, but QB inexperience and lack of protection just didn't allow enough success down the field to make the Hokie D feel any discomfort about what they were doing. The right and left middle deep was where the ball needed to go, but it seemed JT was mostly comfortable down the sideline - where the boundary line helps the defender.
They are going to see this again. For sure in E Lansing. They had better work on it and get it fixed by then or it will be ugly again. In practice they should put an extra blitzer on each side (use 13 defenders) and bring pressure from all angles to get JT used to throwing the ball where it has to go. The added bonus in doing that is that when the OL only has to protect against 5 or 6, it will seem easier. :)
Little things get you beat like Shugarting, high snaps, dropped balls, shanked punts, missed kicks, and misreads.
The OL is not allowing Ohio State to run between the tackles, and they are having a ton of communication problems with pass protecting with pressure packages.
The D not being able to get off the field on 3rd down was huge. Me thinks we still have issues in the back 7 on pass plays.
All of that is disappointing, but Va Tech did what I did not think they could do, and I was super impressed with them. Brewer is a tough, cool customer and that defense says "we are going to dare you to go over the top and we don't think you can do it enough times to beat us." And they were right.
On those last 2 drives I was screaming for JT to count "1-2" and throw it - even if he had to do a Joe B and throw it 3 rows into the stands. On his last throw he got it off, and that Hokie was wide open.
Lots of work to do on both sides of the ball. You wouldn't think that an Ohio State team coached by Urban Meyer with 3 recruiting classes in the fold would be in the position of hoping to get better week to week in areas of weakness to be considered a quality team, but that is exactly where they are.
Just speaking for myself - the answer is that I have a white #10 jersey that I paid dang near $100 for, and, damn it, I want to wear it when I visit the 'Shoe once or twice a year.
That said, at last year's Wisconsin scarlet out, I used a scarlet pullover over top of said jersey. I was soaked with sweat by the end, by I did my part.
My point is about the type of program that comes in here and wins in that setting. It's the guys who have the confidence and belief that they are every bit as good or better than the Bucks. I simply don't think the Hokies are that program because they don't have the history, prestige, and sustained talent level to be that program. That's not putting them down. Considering where that program was, and where FB has taken it, is really, really impressive. But I don't think they have the bona fides to likely win. On the other hand, Purdue has beaten Ohio State several times or played them to the wire - which shouldn't happen either. We'll see tomorrow night.
Look at who has beaten Ohio State in big, night games in the recent past: Texas and USC.
Texas had a freak at QB, our TE dropped a TD pass, there was confusion about whether Zwick or Smith was the better QB, JT played Tresselball - and still, it took a last minute drive by the freak to beat Ohio State.
USC had a young, but very talented Matt Barkley at QB, Pete Carroll on the sidelines, Ohio State played Tresselball and kept it close - and still, it took a last minute drive to beat Ohio State.
Gentlemen, Va Tech has a wonderful man for a head coach, and talented players and coaching staff. They must be respected, BUT Va Tech is nowhere near Texas or USC as a program, Ohio State will not (better not) be playing Tresselball: running Dave on first and second down and being ecstatic to punt.
Point is: it takes a very strong program to win in that stadium, at that time of day, in that environment. I don't think Va Tech is that kind of opponent.
That said, the ball is oblong, it bounces funny, fluke events happen, and if those go Va Tech's way and lead to a win for them, you congratulate them on their good luck, and then start mourning. But given the factors above, I think the odds are that we are all going to be happy when it's all over.
I was at the Wisconsin game last year and went to the Skull Session. Urban Meyer introduced Lebron, and the majority of the crowd responded with polite applause, a few people were hysterically happy, and a very vocal miniority booed the whole time he spoke. To this day I have no idea what Lebron said because 50 guys behind me were, evidently, from Cleveland.
He should get a much more unanimous and warm welcome tomorrow. That is one heckuva recruiting tool for UFM to work with.
Samuel - 72
Actually, she is his ex-wife - but your point stands.
I played back in the day, and I used to be absorbed into the x's and o's.
I think I'm getting old because the way John Madden describes the x's and o's batttle is getting more and more appealing: "This guy runs over here, and boom, and then that guy runs past until this other guy comes up, and then another boom." Good enough.
But I still appreciate something a little more detailed. Thanks
Oh, someone was assigned. Whoever it was just wasn't getting there!
Navy's over 300 rushing is a testament to the effectiveness of the scheme - and to Ohio State not always being disciplined and playing "assignment football."
Craig Fada had a slobber-knocker.
The guy who should be most offended is Braxton Miller. Ohio State is ranked 6th with him and 7th without him. More evidence that polls, especially the coach's poll, has some strange twists and turns. But it does all mostly square up at the end.
I think that map is simultaneously accurate and hilarious.
I'm orginially from Lawrence Co and I tell people all the time that there is no cultural difference between there, and the Appalachian areas of eastern Ky or WVa. I escaped, and when I went back last Aug to visit friends, they congratulated me. They said the drug problem down there is epidemic and there is a real crisis in the rural schools. At the same time, there are some of the best folks in the world down there: give-you-the-shirt-off-their-backs-types. I just couldn't take the poverty, ignorance, and frankly, people who stink because they haven't bathed for a month. A better place to be FROM than presently residing.