Also odd how Meyer has given us two of the best offenses in school history
And two of the worst defenses in school history.
Also odd how Meyer has given us two of the best offenses in school history
And two of the worst defenses in school history.
Shhhh! You're hurting the narrative!
Look, I'm very glad we have someone like Urban Meyer as our coach. But if I were Jim Tressel - or some of those players - I would take offense every time Meyer insinuates that "the cupboard was bare".
It especially irritates me because we're supposed to have been getting all these playmakers, and yet Devin Smith (Tressel recruit) is still his #1 receiver. And the only QBs he has had that have looked competent have been Braxton and Kenny G.
Tressel recruits are the reason he started 24-0. His recruits are the reason we struggled against Navy and lost to VaTech. Those are facts.
2008? The same offensive line that blocked their way to 192.5 rushing yards per game (24th nationally? The same one that racked up 203 yards against the 3rd ranked rushing defense int he country (Texas)?
I've heard this argument before and it stinks. Todd Boeckman held onto the ball too long.
If you coach somewhere long enough, losses like that are going to happen. That's his only loss against a team with a losing record in his last 9 seasons. When you turn the ball over 5 times - including twice inside your own 20 - and when a kicker goes out of his mind and connects 4/5 on field goals (including a 49 and 55 yarder!), upsets happen.
That NC State team had the 4th overall pick in the NFL draft at QB. They were 3rd in passing offense and 8th in scoring offense. They needed a furious 17 point 4th quarter comeback to force overtime. We held them to 291 total yards, and 13 rushing yards in regulation. They were going for broke and made some plays and forced OT. No shame in winning a game ugly like that. Especially when the other team has arguably the top QB in the country.
2005, at the end of the year, was his best team. If Troy Smith isn't suspended, and gets all the first team reps before the bowl game in '04 and heading into '05, that team would have destroyed anybody. I don't think anybody was playing better at the end of 2005 than Ohio State.
I also think 2010 was a very complete team. We were a bad first quarter in Camp Randall away from running the table. 2010 was statistically his most prolific offense, and a the defense was top five in every conceivable category.
I think it's absurd to say that Ohio State had already peaked under Tressel.
In 2010, Jim Tressel put together his most complete team. It was his best offense (20th nationally in total offense at 448.6 ypg, 11th in scoring offense at 38.8 ppg). And that defense? Top 5 in every defensive category (5th in scoring d, 3rd in rushing d, 4th in pass efficiency d, 4th in total d).
We were a bad first quarter in Camp Randall away from running the table. And yes, we would have beaten Auburn.
To say OSU had already peaked under Tress is absurd. You could actually make a better argument that Florida had already peaked under Meyer. His 2010 team was 8-5.
I'm not saying "Fire Meyer! Bring back Tress!". But I don't think it's fair to say Ohio State had peaked under Tressel and was going to head into decline. Had TatGate not happened, that 2011 team would have been favored in every regular season game.
I like Urban's intensity and the talent he is bringing in. My only knock on him is that he needs to stop being married to the spread and become more multiple on offense. There's nothing innovative about his offensive system anymore. Everyone has caught up. I would like to see an offense more like the 49ers and Seahawks run, or like we had Pryor's junior year. Being multiple on offense is the name of the game these days: a pro-style base with the ability and personnel to give spread and option looks. I've felt that way for awhile, as I thought Hyde and Braxton bailed us out many times in the past two years, and it was only a matter of time before we started struggling on offense like 2010 Florida.
In other news, Mike Nugent was 5/6 on FGs yesterday in the Bengals win over Baltimore, including 2/3 from 45+.
Yup. Kansas State was an offensive juggernaut... 17th in total offense, 6th in rushing offense, 9th in scoring offense.
Dantonio and company held a team that was averaging 239 rushing yards per game and 5.1 yards per carry to just 84 yards on 32 carries (2.6 ypc). KSU needed two desperation TDs in the 4th to make it look closer than it was.
That 2003 defense may have shut out this 2014 offense.
Also, Jenkins and Holmes would have torched our secondary.
2003 OSU 34, 2014 OSU 10 would be my final score prediction.
Aaron Craft has one year of NCAA eligibility left to play any sport besides basketball. So... is it too late to bring him in to play QB?
I'm only half joking. The dude was a stud in high school.
It's a confession thread... why are you people giving him downvotes?
I think Urban sucks against Michigan
Never really thought about it, but when you back to that bowl game as well, you have a point.
I loved watching Michigan last year... Because they were soooo bad
That was great. Especially the Penn State game.
Pryor was overrated at QB, but a good overall player nonetheless
I think he is rated right where he should be. A limited, but effective passer his last season, who did a solid job of taking care of the ball. And the best pure athlete to ever play under center for OSU.
Coach Hoke is so soft and adorable
Seems like a likeable dude. The kind you could sit at a bar and BS with for hours about anything. He's fun to make fun of though.
Noon games at the Shoe are embarrassingly quiet
10000000000 times this. Way too quiet for noon games.
Devin Smith is a mediocre receiver, very overrated
Agreed. For how explosive he was as a track athlete (10.5ish 100M, 24 foot long jumper), he has yet to translate that onto the field.
Vonn Bell should have started after CB went down
Coombs is nothing but a cheerleader and recruiter. Not an Ohio State caliber coach
I agree. Not an elite X's and O's guy, even going back to his years as a high school coach, when he would routinely lose to GCL coaches despite having WAYYYYYY more talent on his team. That said, his rah-rah spirit is infectious, and I think he's worth keeping around on the sidelines and as a recruiter for that reason.
We'll have a top 5 defense and top 10 offense this year
Not sold on the defense yet, but I do believe we have top 5 potential. The offense should absolutely be Top 10.
The new uniforms are getting old
Yes. I hate the new uniform crap.
Shazier is one of my all time favorite Buckeyes
Despite how high he was drafted, I don't think he ever got the accolades he truly deserved. He was a stud.
Passing game sucks under Herman
I wouldn't say it "sucks", but I definitely think it has been underwhelming and lacking in timely plays. We rack up big yards against crappy opponents, but rarely get big plays out of the passing game when it's needed. Even the clutch TD pass at the end of the first half against Wiscy was on a broken play. When I think of clutch passing game, I think of Krenzel (Holy Buckeye, and 4th and long in OT of the title game), Troy Smith to Gonzales at Michigan (hell that entire 88 yard drive), his long pass to Holmes to seal the Fiesta Bowl against ND, his Heisman moment against PSU when we really needed a play, his 4 TDs against Michigan, Todd Boeckman's fade to Pryor in the Fiesta Bowl, Pryor to Posey in the Rose Bowl, Pryor against Iowa, Pryor to Posey and Sanzenbacher in the Sugar Bowl. Clutch passes in clutch situation when we needed them, and many of them on obvious passing downs. I don't see enough of the clutch passing when we need it, especially not on obvious passing downs. Under Herman, Braxton has only been in a few situations where we NEEDED clutch passes in close games (Michigan State 2012, Purdue 2012, Michigan 2013, Michigan State 2013, and Clemson). In only one of those games did he make the clutch pass (MSU 2012). He was ineffective against Purdue. Only 1-3 for 22 yards in the second half against Michigan this year (if they only let him throw 3 times, then that is a serious issue). Terrible against MSU. And very ineffective when it matter against Clemson. Some of that is on Braxton, but it still starts and ends with Herman, because sometimes the routes just aren't there and Braxton is forced to scramble. I think this problem has been masked by the fact that we've been winning, but it is a serious problem in my opinion.
Not a fan of Braxton's development - or lack thereof - as a passer. Kenny Guiton clearly read defenses better, made quicker decisions, and made more consistently accurate throws (especially on those throws 15+ yards downfield). I'll never understand why Meyer didn't give Kenny a fair shot at starting. Yes, Braxton is a better athlete and dynamic playmaker, but go back and look at how many of those plays he made were on broken plays. Scrambles against Iowa, TD pass at the end of the half against Wisconsin, long run against MSU, just to name a few. All plays that were broken because of Braxton holding onto the ball too long or not making a proper read. With Guiton, you didn't get that, because plays were rarely broken; he usually made the quick - and correct - decision of what to do with the ball.
I love watching Braxton "The Athlete" take over games and turn out highlights. But his development as a passer leaves a lot to be desired. He's not even on Chris Leak's level yet, and Leak isn't nearly as talented as Miller.
No... I've watched that game three times. Anything close was a flag against Sparty - they didn't get away with anything - and four of the five flags were absolute bullshit and were all on third or 4th down and set up ND's only points. Sparty got hosed just about as bad as Wisconsin got hosed out at ASU. Two of the calls could have been offensive pass interference (one of them absolutely should have been).
In fairness, even if we converted 4th and 2, we still had 37 yards to go to get into the end zone against the best defense in the country. We really need to stop acting like getting the game winning score if we converted was a fait accompli.
Like I've said for awhile, two things scare the hell out of me about this game: 1. Gunner Kiel is a QB with a cannon that can stretch the field, and that will cause problems if our secondary has not made significant improvement.... and 2. Tuberville is a defensive-minded coach that is familiar with Meyer's offense and has succeeded in shutting it down - twice.
Obviously, we have a huge advantage in talent, and much more experience at QB. I think the Bearcats keep it close heading into the 4th, and then we pull away to win 38-27. But I think we could very easily be a special teams play and key turnover away from an upset. Need to minimize the mistakes, pound the ball if we get up by a lot early, and get out with a win. Because if we lose to Cincinnati, everything changes. EVERYTHING.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that about Roby, and I completely agree with you. I distinctly remember this play. Roby is just wandering around, looks almost completely out of position from the beginning, looks lackadaisical, and then reacts late to the play, takes a shitty angle, and makes a half-hearted tackle attempt.
Actually, Meyer's track record with recruiting QBs isn't so good.
He didn't recruit Josh Harris, Alex Smith, Chris Leak, Kenny Guiton, or Braxton Miller... all of those guys were already on the roster when he got to those respective schools. He did recruit Tebow, but the guy grew up in Florida's backyard and he grew up worshipping Danny Wuerfell.
Meyer recruited highly rated guys like John Brantley and Jeff Driskel, both of whom are/were just downright awful.
Granted, that is a very small sample, but of Meyer's best years at BG, Utah, and Florida, and now Ohio State, the vast majority came with QBs he did not recruit, while of the biggest three QBs he did recruit (Tebow, Brantley, Driskel), one had enormous success, and the other two were arguably the worst starting QBs on a major conference team. With Barrett, the verdict is still out, but spring game did not look good.
All that being said, I trust we'll be just fine with whomever replaces Braxton, as they're going to have more weapons than Braxton ever did, as well as an elite defense to fall back on. They wont be asked to do too much.
Dantonio does this too. He talks often about getting kids with "chips on their shoulder", and that "fit the system".
You guys do know that the "Why PSU will beat OSU" article isn't exactly 100% serious, right? I mean, he pretty much all but admits it's not going to happen, but if it were to happen, "these might be some of the reasons why". That's pretty much what he was saying.
DJ Byrnes, 27, of Marion, passed away tragically this week. A hero to Buckeye nation, DJ selflessly pulled a toddler from a burning vehicle on US-23, and once removed from danger, DJ went back to the car for the toddler's favorite Brutus doll. It was at that moment that a group of Wolverine insurgents drove a car full of explosives towards DJ. While DJ was able to escape the brunt of the explosion, the flames ignited a roaming meth lab, a danger which DJ could not escape. His last words were "I go to Woody and Warren now. I am at peace. Fuck Michigan". He is survived by his family, the city of Marion, and three million Buckeye fans. In keeping with DJ's legacy as a Marionaire philanthropist, the family asks that - in lieu of flowers - donations be made to Eat Too Brutus.
Let's see... here are some of DJ's opinions:
- Does not like the bowl system and would rather have a 16-team playoff (I personally love the bowl games.. great travel experience)
- Wants to flat-out pay players ( personally think the answer lies in the middle somewhere, possibly an increased stipend)
- Does not care about maintaining traditional rivalries (hence his willingness to leave the B1G)
- does not like the spring game
Tell me, DJ, what is about college football that you do like? You obviously don't care as much about many of the things that make the college game great (traditional rivalries, bowl games, the many players that play for love of the game instead of a contract, kids choosing one school over another because of pride instead of bag men). If you just like football, then by all means watch the NFL. Stop trying to change the sport I and so many others love, because many of us do love it deeply because of it's unique tradition and the way it connects the past with the present and brings generations together.
Hell yes I'm nervous. Because of two people: Tommy Tuberville and Gunner Kiel.
Tuberville is an extremely accomplished coach who knows his X's and O's. He's 4-3 against Saban and 2-0 against Meyer, the only coach to have a winning record against both coaches in that span. In 2003, when Saban won the national title at LSU, his only loss came to Tuberville. In 2006 when Meyer one is first title, his only loss came to Tuberville. Clearly, the guy can coach.
Gunner Kiel has yet to prove anything. However, he has the tools to absolutely burn our secondary. He's got a cannon for an arm and is very accurate. They also have a veteran offensive line in front of him, with possibly one of the most under-rated left tackles in the country to protect his blindside.
They have a coach that is familiar with Meyer and how to stop his offense (Tebow, Harvin, and Co. could only manage 17 points against Tuberville). And a QB with the potential to give us nightmares, especially if we're too aggressive in our new system.
I think we win. But I think they give us a serious scare.
Well, EIU was pretty damn good last year also. Every bit as good as NIU. In fact they went up 20-0 quickly when they played NIU, but the Huskies came back and when 43-39. Their QB went in the second round to the Patriots.
But, he was a big reason why they were good. And while EIU is sure to regress this year, Minnesota figures to keep getting better.
As for the other FCS games, I think all but one are locks.
Do you watch football outside of Ohio State? Minnesota is currently a 33.5 point favorite over Eastern Illinois.