I would be happy if our defensive coaches denonstrated the ability to make minor in-game adjustments. A change like thisis s a total pipe dream.
If we lose to VT on Saturday, the Navy score still won't matter - the selection committee will not put a 1-loss B1G school in the playoff.
I thought Tyvis played a horrible game today. He missed more tackles than he made, and took terrible pursuit angles.
I don't get why the discussion is on Bell/Burrows starting. To me, Vonn is a no-brainer. He brings an x-factor of athleticism, and made some solid form tackles yesterday. Vonn has got to be on the field.
Then Burrows/Powell are a toss-up to me. Realistically, if Powell is the best we have at safety, we're in trouble.
As others have said, it's difficult to truly evaluate a defense after playing against a triple-option team. But, I expected this team to fly around to the ball and make plays, and I didn't see that today. Players got too many YAC yards, and I thought we played pretty poor assignment football (continued to have nobody over the pitchman). They just seem soft.
After 3 years of optimism with this team, I'm taking a wait and see on this team.
The best part of this video is the fact that they're able to talk about this with straight faces.
I need to pick a pair of those shorts up. I've already thought of a killer move that I could do in those, the "po-go stick".....
It's concerning to me that he separated his shoulder on a non-contact play, nearly 9 months after having shoulder surgery, and within hours of declaring himself 100%. As others have said, once those ligaments in that joint are stretched, it's difficult to ever get them to return back to 100%. Hopefully for his sake he is able to recover and accomplish all his dreams as a football player.
In addition, once JT gets the keys to the fastest car in the B1G, it's going to be difficult to pry them back from him. Especially if he is able to accomplish something that Braxton hasn't been able to, which is win a B1G title (granted Brax has been hampered by sanctions).
While many on here are excited for 2015, I for one am extremely excited for 2014. People act like we have Bauserbust as our #2 on the depth chart. JT was one of the most highly recruited DT QB's in the nation, and probably would have been rated higher had he not suffered an injury his Senior year. We have a lot of weapons and speed on Offense, and just need someone who can efficiently distribute the ball to them.
It's going to be so sweet this year crushing the dreams of the B1G after so many people have already written us off. Of course, if we do this, then the narrative will switch to how weak the B1G is, given we could go unbeaten with a backup QB. People truly underestimate the talent on this team, and seem to forget that we've had back-to-back top 2 recruiting classes.
Yes, teams in the conference need to step up, but Minnesota is not one of them. They will never be a flagship program in this conference. They are no different than Northwestern, a solid season once every four years, nothing more.
Yes, this conference needs teams to step up to return to prominence, but Minnesota is not one of them.
Nebraska, Penn State, tSUN, Wisconsin, and even Iowa to an extent are the programs that need to step up. We need our flagship programs to perform for this conference to return to prominence, and begin to get national respect back.
If we are going to start hanging our hat on wins against Minnesota, then this conference is not performing up to standards.
I actually didn't provide a ranking myself, so not sure how you're taking that away from my post. A lot of posters in this thread have Minnesota ranked 2nd/3rd in their opinions, which I don't think is unreasonable. To me, the fact that the Minnesota game MAY be one of our toughest games is an indictment on how down the B1G is right now, and highlights the importance for us to schedule quality OOC opponents.
I personally don't think you can ever discount rivalry games, and think last year was a prime example of that. Regardless, TSUN is a dumpster fire right now, and losing to them at hem at home this year would be massively disappointing. I fully expect us to be -10 point favorites for that game.
Is it me, or is anyone else disappointed that our 2nd toughest game of the season may be @Minnesota? I get that the Fighting Kills are much improved, and @Minnesota is a tough environment that time of year, but to me it just demonstrates how weak the B1G is right now, and how important it is for us to schedule quality OOC opponents. I get VT, and when we originally scheduled them their program was a much better place, but we need more than one marquee OOC game on our schedule.
There is a balance here. The athletic department of a state school should not have the same pricing strategy as a fortune 500 company. They need to generate enough revenue to allow them to continue to subsidize the non-revenue generating sports, while also having enough to re-invest into strategic initiatives, like stadium expansion,s etc. They should be able to do this while also keeping prices at a point where your average family can still afford to take in a game without breaking the bank, and I think we're quickly approaching a point where that is no longer possible.
I'd prefer we not test price elasticity and realize we've hit our ceiling when there are 10,000 open seats in the stadium, because people refuse to pay $160/ticket to see OSU beat UNLV by 80 points. For an example, see TSUN as exhibit A.
If we want respect nationally, then we need to stop scheduling BS games like this, which do nothing to improve our national perception. We either blow the doors off of them, which is the expected outcome, or the game is close, and it's held against us by the playoff selection committee. Either way, this game does nothing to improve our playoff resume.
At this point, let's just call a spade a spade, this is a money grab from the athletic department. I'm taking my name out of the alumni lottery because of games like this. I'm not going to travel to Columbus to watch a game like this, and 1/2 the B1G schedule is not worth making the trip. I may pay a bit more on the secondary market, but at least I'll get a game worth seeing.
I'm also tired of trying to defend our schedule. What kind of message does this send to fans? Alabama has scheduled a marquee neutral site game every year, on top of a very difficult SEC schedule. I remember how awesome games like USC and Texas were, and how amazing those environments were. I'd love to have that again, but instead, alas, we get a noon kickoff against UNLV. Buy hey, I'm sure the playoff selection committee will understand, we needed to add another home game to hit revenue projections. Want to stop hearing the commentary about a 1-loss SEC team jumping an undefeated B1G school, stop scheduling the UNLV's of the world.
Let's not put this guy on a pedestal - maybe you should take another look at the ND game. Same for Trevor Knight at Oklahoma. These guys played out of their minds in their final two games, and for some reason we forget that at times last year both these guys were splitting playing time with their back ups. Let's give it a few more games before we hand these guys the heisman.
A very unfortunate by-product of smart phone technology, the ability to record video and audio at any given time, and often discreetly without the knowledge of the subjected party.
If this trend continues, everyone will have to pull a Jeter, and ask folks to leave their electronics at the door.
Hopefully at some point in the near future, society will refrain from listening or watching these unethical recordings, regardless of how juicy the content may be. And then suddenly, media outlets will no longer be willing to pay 6 figures for them.
The only backlash from this story should be directed at the cowardly douche who recorded it, and the paper who was willing to publish it.
- I haven't been able to forgive Braxton Miller for overthrowing a wide open Devier Posey in the 2011 edition of The Game. That would have been the go-ahead TD. I think he's overrated and has underachieved in his development as a passer - his throwing motion sucks and he can't put touch on the ball.
- I'm tired of seeing athletes play quarterback here. I don't think we've seen a true passer since Troy Smith was here.
- I think we've whiffed on our last two, maybe three QB commits. JT was highly rated, but the last two have been complete blind sides and it feels like we're settling.
- Luke Fickell should have been fired after his 2011 season. I understand that it was a difficult position, but he looked like a deer in headlights on the sidelines that year, and totally shit the bed.
- I don't understand the fascination with Tom Herman. I think he consistently out thinks himself, and am still waiting for the dynamic offense that we all thought we'd see when he was hired. What ever happened to the diamond formation? HAND THE BALL TO GUAP ON 4-1.
- I hated Ohio State sports until I decided to attend school there and heard the fight song played in St John's arena for the first time during Freshman orientation.
- I'd be completely happy if if all of Ohio North of Columbus was annexed by Canada.
AHHHHHH, I feel so much better....
Hopefully Chris Clark likes Bugatti's and droppin' the NaeNae, he and Coach Hinton will be a perfect match......
Stoneburner was never the leading receiver while he was in Columbus. His best year in terms of total catches was 2010, where he had 21 for 222 receiving yards. Posey, Sanzenbacher, Spencer, and Philly Brown led the team in receiving during his time at OSU.
PSU will have Jesse James, Kyle Carter, and Adam Brenneman, all of which have 2+ years of eligibility left, assuming they stay through their Senior years. Granted, PSU frequently runs a 2 TE set, which helps his chances, but regardless, they are loaded for a few more years.
After Heuerman graduates this year, Gesicki would have had a great shot at playing himself into the 2 deep, or even taking the starting position. I can't see how you can look at that situation and argue that he would have had a better chance of playing at PSU than he would have here.
OSU just hasn't been able to really get the TE involved in our passing game the last few years. Herman and Meyer continue to talk about it being a marquee position, and the desire to really get that position more involved in the offense, but it just hasn't manifested itself onto the field. Whether that is on Braxton's inability to make the correct read or make the right throw, playcalling, etc., who knows?
The fact is, most NFL teams are drafting and playing dynamic and athletic TE's who cause matchup nightmares at the next level. While Meyer had that while he was at UF, we certainly haven't seen that type of player at OSU, and I think that, coupled with the fact that we're shooting for the stars with our TE recruits, is causing the drought of TE commits.
The fact that Gesicki (sorry to bring up the past) chose to go to PSU last year, which is absolutely loaded with depth at TE, versus coming to OSU where he could have competed for a starting spot in his Sophomore year was telling to me.
I'm not sure, it probably depends on the relative worth of that $50M to your organization.
My guess is that your company has done studies and has determined that the wage they are paying you is competitive within your field. Essentially, paying you tour market value.
If you wereto double your annual revenue, I'd assume you would ask to be paid similarly to someone who manages $100M, no?
Studies have recently been done to determine the market values of a collegiate football player at a major school, and it's a bit more than the value of a full academic scholarship.
As far as compensating for over performance in collegiate athletics, who knows how to deal with that? I think we are a few reforms away from getting to that level of detail.
Two excellent points here Bucksfan.
1 - Liquidity of payments. The value of a college degree is only as valuable as the person that it is given to. Not all student athletes are mentally capable of taking full advantage of their academic opportunities, potentially greatly devaluing this benefit.
2 - Medical risk. There can be gaps in medical insurance that can expose students and their families to major medical liabilities due to injuries sustained while competing in NCAA sanctioned athletic events. There isn't a coverage standard across all Universities.
Lastly, take a step back and really think about the true cost that a University incurs by providing an athletic scholarship. The majority of the expense, coming in the form of tuition, is a fixed cost, and an opportunity cost to schools. Assuming that a student athlete isn't taking the seat in a classroom or lecture hall from a paying student, then the university incurs no additional expenses here. I could go on to room and board, meals, etc., but that would just validate the point further. The ROI on revenue generating sports for major universities is through the roof.
This is about being fairly compensated for services rendered. Athletes who participate in revenue generating sports provide a skill set that generates billions of dollars in revenue. And yes, they do receive compensation in the form of a full ride, but they are also surrounded by folks who are making money hand over fist, while they are the ones who have the real skin in the game. Gene Smith sits in his Ivory tower cashing bonus checks for championships that were won on the backs of student athletes.
Your logic is ridiculously flawed. You're basically saying that these athletes should be happy with their compensation just because the majority of people would be happy with it. Based on your logic, should Urban Meyers salary be capped at $250k/year just because MOST people would be over the moon with that salary? NO, the market dictates that he is worth much more than that based on his unique skill set and the services that he provides, so he capitalizes on it.
I get that you are salty after flipping the bill to put two kids through college, but let's not pretend that these student athletes won a lottery and are now complaining about the prize. Ohio State gets more value out of these athletes (in revenue generating sports), than these athletes get from the University.
Completely agree, the rumors and emotional investment that adults make in recruiting is astonishing to me. I think we are on the same page Citrus, and agree with where you are coming from, just think it was a bit misguided given the innocent intent of my post.
Same team Citrus, same team! Enjoy the rest of your Sunday night!
Yikes, take things literally much Citrus?
I get that you are trying to moderate this forum, but think your efforts would be better suited by trying to make an example of a more worth post. I made a lighthearted post in jest. It was not meant to be taken as a literal allegation. I thought that was obvious in the nature of my post, but apparently I need to make a better effort to highlight sarcasm moving forward.
I also think it's incredibly ironic that the post that I initially responded to that said "$$$$<-----That's Why" has 5 upvotes. The SEC has a history of shady recruiting practices, and it was just recently documented in an SB Nation story. The fact that one our recruits flipped not long after that story came out was ironic to me, and I was attempting to make light of such. Whenever I get a chance to poke fun at the SEC, and in particular the scumbags at Auburn, then you can take it to the bank that I'm going to do it.
Obviously it's more than conceivable that he made this decision for legitimate reasons, in fact, it's probably the likely outcome. I was partly being sarcastic, but given the timing of his flip in relationship to the SB Nation article highlighting the exploits of the SEC "Bag Man", who knows.
All of the points you make above are valid, but he also made a decision to commit to tOSU despite those points. Something made him change his mind, what, only he knows.
After he committed to tOSU, he did say in response to being asked if he would still look around, "No Sir, there will be no other visits. I will be trying to get my teammates to come with me, though." Seemed pretty enamored with tOSU when he committed.
GIven the incredibly sketchy recruiting practices of the SEC, and specifically Auburn, I wouldn't rule anything out.
But who knows, maybe he took a look at our depth chart at Safety, watched the 58-3 Auburn spring game, and figured he'd start as a freshman there. My comment was meant more as a pot shot at the incredibly shady recruiting practices within the SEC, than Edwards' recruitment specifically. His de-commitment was just the vehicle that allowed me to make light of that.
My thoughts exactly, must have gotten a visit from a Bagman. Auburn "family atmosphere" = Cash $.
On to the next one!
I don't think that a college degree is necessarily beneficial for particular fields. I know plenty of folks who went to OSU, accumulated a lot of debt, majored in a non-specialized field, and then couldn't find a job when they graduated, and ended up working in various retail stores. Alongside them are plenty of folks who didn't go to college, and didn't incur debt, and hold the exact same job. So, where is the value in that degree?
I also work with folks in my industry who hold degrees from Ivy League and other private schools, and incurred 2-3x the debt that I did. We both have the same jobs, same career outlooks, and make the same amount of money. It just cos them twice as much to get there. It's hard for them to argue with me that their degree was worth the additional cost to them.
My point here is that value is relative in this instance, and not all degrees are created the same and hold the same value. In addition, not all students are mentally capable of attaining a more mentally advanced degree. So, where is the value to a kid who got a free education, but ended up in a field that didn't require one in the first place? He got a free education, but it holds no value because he wouldn't have gone to college if it weren't for sports in the first place. You can't assume all kids are mentally capable of taking the full advantage of an academic scholarship. They want to see the cash, and would probably get much more benefit out of that.
I'd be interested to see a study of graduates who were given an athletic scholarship in a revenue generating sport, and look at the spread and frequency of majors, and how much those students really benefited from getting a college degree. We can agree to disagree here, it really just depends on how much emphasis you put on a a college education, and how much you can cultivate a kids mind.
I think the NCAA could have bought itself some time if it had loosened up the rules on players profiting specifically on items generated by their own individual likeness. For example, allowing players to sell game worn jerseys, autographs, etc. This doesn't lead to additional cost to the universities, impact other non-revenue generating sports, and it allows players to capture fair-market value for their items, i.e., Braxton is going to get more for an autograph than Pat Elflein would. Instead, we are faced with the O'Bannon suit, and I can't seem to see an outcome from that which doesn't drastically change the dynamics of the landscape as we know it.
I understand that these players get the luxury of a free college degree, but how beneficial is that to them? How many of these kids would have been accepted to OSU or another B1G university without athletics? They come in, focus on athletics, get a vanilla cake degree, then graduate and what can they do with that degree? Some of you will argue that they are given the opportunity to do with it whatever they like, but let's be honest, some of these guys don't have the mental horsepower to become doctors, etc. Just like I was never able to run a 4.4 40-yard dash. To them, getting that diploma makes them marginally more marketable once they graduate, but not enough that they see the benefit in having it versus graduating with lump sum of money.
It's an interesting debate, and nobody has the perfect answer, but regardless, the dynamics of college athletics will be vastly different in the near future.