11W = Mac Ozone = Windows 95. Use to check out the site but the layout is brutal. Love Tony G. though.
Haven't been "good" for a few seasons and hid behind a HORRIBLE pre-season schedule. Middle of the pack B10 team the past two years. This year is one of the better schedules Thad has put together. Schedule + kids = what we are seeing. They're kids. Either gut check time and they fight through some tough times or they don't and this gets a lot worse..
You know maybe it was late and I was hearing/seeing things... but did anyone else catch how Jon Gruden was talking about the Browns and the Browns rebuilding... and then he paused... and sort of grinned.. and said something like "we'll see what the Browns have in store for next year"... he just had this cat that ate the canary look on his face when he said Browns/Future....
Close game and then OSU started chucking 3's. 1 point game with about 7 minutes to go and we started chucking. 1-7 from 3pt land the last 7 minutes. That's either coaching or kids not listening to the coach.
One of the many problems with the playoff committee. It's obvious what they are doing with USC. It's not about Stanford imo it's about the fact the top team in the rankings from the PAC12 either goes to the Playoff or lands the Rose Bowl. if USC beats Stanford they don't want the PAC12 Champion going to the Alamo Bowl. They've moved USC higher up then they should be ranked so they can jump Oregon if they beat Stanford.
They could end up with the same sort of mess in the SEC. That's why 9-3 Ole Miss jumped to 13. They got them within striking distance to cover the potential mess of Bama losing to Florida and still being ranked higher than Florida and being awarded the Sugar Bowl.
A USC win is a mess. That was one of the things people brought up " what if a 4 or 5 loss team wins a Championship" and they basically punted that down the road saying it probably would never happen...
It's a joke. Basically it's Conference Champion matters if it's the right Champion from the right division in said conference..
It's freaking Sophie's Choice. To get in we probably need two of these three to lose ( Clemson, Bama and Stanford).. but if we don't get in we probably want Stanford to win or you get a 4 loss USC in the Rose Bowl.
Rose Bowl has tradition but I'd trade that in a heartbeat if you could guarantee a game against FSU or Notre Dame in Fiesta or even Peach.
Should be a great weekend...
I assume the 8 win prediction is dooms day worst case every person who can leave is gone, correct? There seems to be a bunch of 50/50 guys and even if a handful of them come back lot less of rebuild imo. Hard to imagine any Urban Meyer team with a veteran QB not winning 10 games.
The "rules' the playoff committee and bowls agreed upon state the committee essentially picks all the New Years Six based on rankings. The only say the Rose Bowl has "technically" ( which I'm sure would be worked out ahead of time) would be no same year re-matches. They can't just pick a B10 vs PAC12 matchup they like. It's the highest ranked B10 vs PAC12 not in the playoffs..
Was just talked about on TV. The only scenario where The Rose Bowl wouldn't pick the #5 team in the rankings would be a potential re-match of Oregon and Michigan State at which point Michigan State would get skipped over. Again though we most likely won't see this happen because the committee can just slot Ohio State at #5 to avoid that.
Rose Bowl will be Iowa, MSU or Ohio State vs Stanford, USC or Oregon ( Oregon because it's based on ranking could end up higher ranked than USC if they beat Stanford)..
If Temple knocks off Houston it limits things because they can't play Notre Dame again. So Notre Dame would be in Peach or Fiesta and Temple would have to be in the other game..
Some one is getting that Houston/Temple winner. They are guaranteed a spot in Peach or Fiesta...
I don't think we should be overthinking the MSU game. Cook was out. The weather was bad and Urban and the Coaches decided 14 points would win the game and went into full on prevent mode. They eliminated the potential for fumbles by not handing the ball off.
The thing most telling to me is Thad does not lose at home. Since he's been here we haven't lost more than 4 games in a season at home. This could be number 3 at home already and this season is just getting started. This is a HUGE game. Go Bucks!!!
I'll never understand it but Browns seem to put no value on WR in the draft. The All-Stars they have passed on is mind-boggling.
Team to watch in North Carolina. How far do they move up? If they move them within striking distance it just tells me that whoever wins the ACC gets the bid. If they keep them around 9-10 maybe NC doesn't get in with a win.
We need to realize this has NOTHING to do with where Ohio State should be ranked and everything to do with the committee trying to balance the tv ratings. NO ONE will watch Houston vs the Iowa/MSU loser in the Fiesta. Rose Bowl will get eyeballs regardless. Neither game is in primetime so they will want to maximize ad dollars and from a ad dollar standpoint it will make sense to pair the Temple/Houston winner against Ohio State. It's not supposed to work that way of course and they will sell it as Herman vs Urban and "they didn't think it was right to drop the B10 loser below Ohio State"... blah blah blah..
Still not buying MSU as a top 4 team even though they might end up there. They got an absolute gift against *ichigan and you'll never convince me that if Cook had been healthy and the weather wasn't bad that we wouldn't have run right over them. Cook was out, weather was bad and we called an entire game based on thinking 14 points would be enough to win. You give me MSU this weekend in the dome and we crush them.
They beat us fair and square but absolutely believe if you had them paired up against Oklahoma, Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, Stanford and a handful of other teams MSU would be the underdog..
It can't happen but still think the top 4 today...
1 Clemson 2. Oklahoma 3. Ohio State 4: Bama
I'm not sure I understand Marshall leaving early. Of all the guys considering he seems like the most risky if he leaves early. He seems to be rated between 15-25th best WR by the various services so even at 2-3 WRs a round he could go undrafted.
I like the Shazier and Lee comparison the problem is Shazier plays at 20 pounds heavier. That's why it seems like a lot of NFL people are suggesting Lee return and move to Will LB and put on the weight. If that's the case then it comes down to what OSU wants to do with him. If they want him to return and play the same position there's no upside to that outside of the usual wants to have "senior day"/captain/parents want him to return etc.. if OSU wants him back in the same position he should just leave early.
Keith Byars 1984 season was pretty legit..
24 total TDs with 42 receptions to boot...
and important to remember we didn't throw the ball as much in the 70/80s so the other team knew guys like Archie and Keith were going to run the ball and they still we're able to run and run and run and run some more :)
But it works both ways. Sullinger doesn't have nearly the same pressure being taken so late in the first. He cost himself first contract money for sure but there wasn't the pressure to preform and play him early and the Celtics have eased him into things and now he looks like a lock for a big second contract. Reverse is Russell in LA. Taken early with a big contract and now they are already wondering if they blew the pick.
Correct. Most people think it might be in his best interest to put on a little weight and switch to the Will LB and take over the Joshua Perry role. Fear being from an NFL perspective that at his current size he would be more of a 3rd down specialist then an every down LB.
I agree about Lee and Apple. Apple needs another year and I think Lee can offset his size problems by coming back and playing a different LB position next year and being more ready for the NFL the following year. Not sure on Bell though. He seems like the one guy that should go. Zeke is gone. Maybe I'm dreaming but still think if little Bosa is 10000% cleared to play next fall I'm not ready to rule out Joey coming back to play with his little brother.
Thomas is interesting. He's like Lee. Both seemed like locks for the first round at the beginning of the season and both have faded on mock drafts. I agree with Spiels that we might be more pass happy next year and having anyone step up as a second actual WR and not an HB would surely help Thomas as well. Tend to think the Bowl game or playoff will be big for Thomas ( more important than a 40 time). Big game and he's gone. Shut down by a legit corner and he returns..
Wish them all the best whatever they decide..
That's not a reflection on Zeke though. NFL puts no value on RB these days. Lots of teams feel like they can find a guy in 3rd/4th round who can do just as well in their offense at a much lower salary.
Is it too late to swap Virginia for BC or Wake :)
Agree, but there's still going to be a TON of pressure from the Fiesta to keep Ohio State at 6 and let Iowa/MSU loser go to the Rose Bowl.
That's the old way in the BCS era. Playoff era Rose Bowl and Sugar have NO SAY in the picks. Committee does that for them based on rankings. Here's how it works this season.. it's all rankings...
In the two out of three years when a given New Year's Six bowl is not part of the playoff bracket, the highest-ranked non-playoff teams from the following conferences or groups are selected as follows:
Rose Bowl — Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar Bowl — SEC #1 vs. Big 12 #1
Orange Bowl — ACC #1 vs. SEC #2, Big Ten #2, or Notre Dame
Cotton Bowl — at-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)
Fiesta Bowl — at-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)
Peach Bowl — at-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)
The highest-ranked champion from the "Group of Five" conferences (The American, C-USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, and Sun Belt) is guaranteed a berth if the group's top team is not in the playoff.
I'm confused. He signed a 5 year deal last year. What's he agreeing to now???
I think it's VERY important to not over estimate the freshman class ranking thing. Seems to be a lot of people are sort of saying "the Oden class was #1 at the time and this class is #4 so the talent level should just be a little bit different" and so far are disappointed with the class. "we had the 4th ranked class, why aren't the Freshman dominating?"...
Completely different years. It was a down year across the board in terms of top end talent. I think it's a solid class and we just need to temper the expectations a bit.