Damn. I was hoping it wasn't anything serious. My knee dislocations only kept me out for a week or two at a time - it must've been bad for him.
Um, yeah. It sucked. They started at 6 years old and I had several dislocations per year. I had 4 knee surgeries starting at 14 years old. I guess that's why I'm so proud of making TBDBITL at all - those who knew what had been done to my knees told me it would be too hard and I wouldn't be able to handle it. I'm not able to run marathons or anything, but I did two years in TBDBITL and I hike, jog, play softball, and make it through p90x workouts.
I'm not a doctor, but I've dislocated my knees about 40 times - like 11Urbz, it was a congenital issue with the structure of my femurs. I had to have complete reconstructions to make it stop. This is a pretty rare scenario from what I understand.
I'd imagine Josh Sweat can recover from this fairly quickly as long as it wasn't the kind of dislocation resulting from other structures getting terribly damaged (torn ligaments or patella tendon). Tons of swelling, tenderness, and stiffness in the joint are what he's likely to experience. He should be gimpy for up to 2 weeks as long as it's not a severe dislocation.
Can we play 7 linebackers at time? That is some serious talent and depth.
Buckeye Lady here! I think 11W has a better guy:girl ratio than most Buckeye sports sites, but it's definitely not a 50:50 split. I come here because the content is top notch and the forums are not nearly as "lady.gif / cheerleader leering / sexist comments" heavy as other sites. I'm friends with Elika in real life and I'd bet she feels the same way. She's why I came here in the first place!
Like Angel, I find that others often express my opinions first - I tend to contribute when it will actually add to the conversation. This seems to cement my status as a 11W lurker.
The "how many" stats are probably best left to Johnny or the staff - I'm pretty sure the annual survey has that demo question.
- We went to grad school together; her life really is as awesome as it looks on Twitter. She's good people and good fun.
- Apparently name-dropping Elika is a guaranteed way to get helmet stickers.
Even if you don't know him (I do, but my wife doesn't), you feel for the man. Sobbing during 'Carmen Ohio' - I found myself wishing the cameras would've found something else to focus on.
Alumni also wore black "JW" circle patches on their polos.
That drink looks amazing! Grilled peaches are my go-to dessert this time of year, and now you add bourbon? Yessir!
If any of you are in the Denver area, you can get an ice cream called "The Tipsy Peach" at High Point Creamery in Hilltop (South of Aurora) right now. We're good friends with the owners (fellow Buckeyes), and they made this bourbon infused vanilla bean ice cream with bourbon-soaked peaches in honor of my wedding in June. It's only in stores for another month, so check it out!
Listen, I think Jon got jobbed and want the band's reputation cleared as much as anyone, but nonsense like this makes us look like loons.
Every time I heard his voice over the iPad Air commercial with our marching band, I got chills... RIP.
Obviously, I love this. I wasn't the biggest OSU football buff when I starting going to OSU, but I saw all the names of our legends in the Shoe and decided to look up "Harley." Loved his story, "the house the Harley built" moniker, and that big, infectious smile.
As an aside: what area of town is Champion Ave? I'm not familiar with it.
Just stop. Don't try to politicize it.
You may have missed it earlier, but she's apparently a pretty great fundraiser. She's obviously not the best AD you could get for sports reasons, but I tend to believe that she's not being hired to steer the ship. PSU needs $$$.
I think it's more about what I read from quote you posted, but it was late after a few bourbons. My bigger point is this: it's not in the SOM's best interests to see TBDBITL falter. Not like this.
The complaint that triggered the investigation came from the mother of a band member. I don't know if she was a music major, but you can likely divorce SOM influence from that angle.
Andy, you're not incorrect about the jealousy, but this feels a bit too sinister for the School of Music. I was in the School of Music and OSUMB. SOM faculty didn't like when their performance track students would join the band, but the real issue was when the band got a brand new multi-million dollar facility while the SOM students were/are still dealing with asbestos in the walls and exploding ancient radiators over at Hughes Hall.
Still, Jon taught concert bands over at the SOM while he was a grad student. I believe he generally had a great relationship with the SOM. I'm really not sure the SOM has this much sway.
Oh, and 25% of the band is music majors; it's a recruiting tool for the SOM, as much as they'd hate to admit it. Blaming the SOM just doesn't strike the right chord for me.
Pretty much. The band is deeply rooted in ROTC beginnings, but it's not the actual military. Still, the regimented, highly intricate and precise routines of this band that make it TBDBITL are only achieved through amazing discipline. This type of leadership (and tongue lashing) is required to get shit done.
Band member support is overwhelmingly positive for Waters right now. Local news seems to be scrambling for more info and commentary from band members who have something a little more rational (or negative) to say. I was contacted by a few media members last night because of some private Facebook activity on friends' pages. I think they'll publish anything right now.
You are correct. It's also a celebration.
Folks like you are exactly why we never wanted to see it "published"!
Don't take it so literally. Like I said, you had to be there to get it. It's just a bunch of kids being weird, celebrating in a way very few can. I mean, I can say I've been in The Shoe in my underwear and wasn't arrested.
Definitely not official. Passed down on many a band road trip and eventually typed up by an intrepid TBDBITL member.
I loved those songs.
Midnight Ramp is a tradition older than Jon. I've done it a few times, I'm a woman, and I definitely had reason to not be 100% proud of my body... My first Midnight Ramp was 10 seconds of "Wait, in my UNDERWEAR??" followed by, "Eff it. I EARNED this. I'm part of something so amazing. This is family, and no one can take this away from me." I wouldn't judge too harshly; you kind of had to be there to get it. It wasn't meant to be sexualized EVER. I view the rookie names/tricks as far more dangerous.
Jon tried to undo a lot of this, but it just wasn't enough. More than anything, it seems some folks (not Jon) took things too far.
Former TBDBITL member here, and I know Jon from 2001 on...
The traditions of Midnight Ramp, rookie names, and rookie tricks... they are 100% real. In my time in the band (2003 - 2005), my impression was that the tricks and names would tend to go a little far, but most everyone took it in good fun. I can also remember a few times when I wasn't totally comfortable. There was definitely an air of secrecy around our traditions - we knew they wouldn't be understood by the general public, especially when it got to names and tricks. Some of them just weren't right.
With the stuff we did, I can honestly say that I'm not surprised that this finally got out and someone got fired. Unfortunately, these traditions pre-date Jon, and he very likely wasn't present when the most egregious things went down. It sounds like he tried to help tone it down, but the damage was done.
As I learn more about this from my friends behind the scenes, it sounds like he absolutely tried to improve the culture. It just wasn't enough.
I'm torn because it's absolutely not right that anyone should feel sexually harassed, but Jon can't babysit all kids at all times. I remember a kid named "Pants" whose trick was to pants himself whenever he was "tapped off" (think: "tap tap tap... Hi, Pants!") - he once pantsed himself right outside the School of Music holding two Chipotle burritos. Hilarious, but demeaning, and Waters/Woods never knew about it.
Emotionally, I'm at a bit of a loss. Jon's a good guy, but you can't argue with the situation and consequences.
Oooh, didn't know about the email list! I've watched 3 or 4 games there over the past year and never heard of it. Just signed up!