Listen, I think Jon got jobbed and want the band's reputation cleared as much as anyone, but nonsense like this makes us look like loons.
Every time I heard his voice over the iPad Air commercial with our marching band, I got chills... RIP.
Obviously, I love this. I wasn't the biggest OSU football buff when I starting going to OSU, but I saw all the names of our legends in the Shoe and decided to look up "Harley." Loved his story, "the house the Harley built" moniker, and that big, infectious smile.
As an aside: what area of town is Champion Ave? I'm not familiar with it.
Just stop. Don't try to politicize it.
You may have missed it earlier, but she's apparently a pretty great fundraiser. She's obviously not the best AD you could get for sports reasons, but I tend to believe that she's not being hired to steer the ship. PSU needs $$$.
I think it's more about what I read from quote you posted, but it was late after a few bourbons. My bigger point is this: it's not in the SOM's best interests to see TBDBITL falter. Not like this.
The complaint that triggered the investigation came from the mother of a band member. I don't know if she was a music major, but you can likely divorce SOM influence from that angle.
Andy, you're not incorrect about the jealousy, but this feels a bit too sinister for the School of Music. I was in the School of Music and OSUMB. SOM faculty didn't like when their performance track students would join the band, but the real issue was when the band got a brand new multi-million dollar facility while the SOM students were/are still dealing with asbestos in the walls and exploding ancient radiators over at Hughes Hall.
Still, Jon taught concert bands over at the SOM while he was a grad student. I believe he generally had a great relationship with the SOM. I'm really not sure the SOM has this much sway.
Oh, and 25% of the band is music majors; it's a recruiting tool for the SOM, as much as they'd hate to admit it. Blaming the SOM just doesn't strike the right chord for me.
Pretty much. The band is deeply rooted in ROTC beginnings, but it's not the actual military. Still, the regimented, highly intricate and precise routines of this band that make it TBDBITL are only achieved through amazing discipline. This type of leadership (and tongue lashing) is required to get shit done.
Band member support is overwhelmingly positive for Waters right now. Local news seems to be scrambling for more info and commentary from band members who have something a little more rational (or negative) to say. I was contacted by a few media members last night because of some private Facebook activity on friends' pages. I think they'll publish anything right now.
You are correct. It's also a celebration.
Folks like you are exactly why we never wanted to see it "published"!
Don't take it so literally. Like I said, you had to be there to get it. It's just a bunch of kids being weird, celebrating in a way very few can. I mean, I can say I've been in The Shoe in my underwear and wasn't arrested.
Definitely not official. Passed down on many a band road trip and eventually typed up by an intrepid TBDBITL member.
I loved those songs.
Midnight Ramp is a tradition older than Jon. I've done it a few times, I'm a woman, and I definitely had reason to not be 100% proud of my body... My first Midnight Ramp was 10 seconds of "Wait, in my UNDERWEAR??" followed by, "Eff it. I EARNED this. I'm part of something so amazing. This is family, and no one can take this away from me." I wouldn't judge too harshly; you kind of had to be there to get it. It wasn't meant to be sexualized EVER. I view the rookie names/tricks as far more dangerous.
Jon tried to undo a lot of this, but it just wasn't enough. More than anything, it seems some folks (not Jon) took things too far.
Former TBDBITL member here, and I know Jon from 2001 on...
The traditions of Midnight Ramp, rookie names, and rookie tricks... they are 100% real. In my time in the band (2003 - 2005), my impression was that the tricks and names would tend to go a little far, but most everyone took it in good fun. I can also remember a few times when I wasn't totally comfortable. There was definitely an air of secrecy around our traditions - we knew they wouldn't be understood by the general public, especially when it got to names and tricks. Some of them just weren't right.
With the stuff we did, I can honestly say that I'm not surprised that this finally got out and someone got fired. Unfortunately, these traditions pre-date Jon, and he very likely wasn't present when the most egregious things went down. It sounds like he tried to help tone it down, but the damage was done.
As I learn more about this from my friends behind the scenes, it sounds like he absolutely tried to improve the culture. It just wasn't enough.
I'm torn because it's absolutely not right that anyone should feel sexually harassed, but Jon can't babysit all kids at all times. I remember a kid named "Pants" whose trick was to pants himself whenever he was "tapped off" (think: "tap tap tap... Hi, Pants!") - he once pantsed himself right outside the School of Music holding two Chipotle burritos. Hilarious, but demeaning, and Waters/Woods never knew about it.
Emotionally, I'm at a bit of a loss. Jon's a good guy, but you can't argue with the situation and consequences.
Oooh, didn't know about the email list! I've watched 3 or 4 games there over the past year and never heard of it. Just signed up!
Great question! Like the other poster said, there are almost too many hikes to choose from in Colorado. You can get just about any experience you want.
Any time I have guests from out of town, I ask them what they want: a day of exploration, a 2-4 hour hike, or a scenic walk. I whittle down the list from there. So, what do you want out of your hike?
It sounded like they were trying to work out an exclusive deal with a newer rooftop bar in the area - it was still in the works the last time I talked to someone in the know...
I'd urge you to check out LoDo's just once - especially for a night game. I love the Arvada B-dubs, but you simply can't beat the views at LoDo's on the rooftop patio.
I live on the North side of Denver. I never loved Croc's, so this doesn't bother me any.
First, here's the link you should use for official game watch locations. It's a little outdated, but it's the official page.
Second, here are my two alternative locations:
LoDo's in Highland Ranch has a huge second floor that is completely filled with Buckeye fans. This is also an official alumni bar, and there are usually giveaways, music at the breaks, and drink specials. It's a great place to watch a game (plus the patio has great views of the mountains), but it's a hike from North Denver.
Buffalo Wild Wings in Arvada (80th and Wadsworth) is owned by a Buckeye alumn and he loves hosting unofficial Buckeye game watches. It's not as crowded, but it's super convenient and sometimes the owner will buy shots for the Buckeye section after a TD.
I think LBJ's essay spelled it out pretty clearly; he's not expecting to win a championship this year, so don't burn the furniture (trade Wiggins) when patience will get you exactly what you need in a year (Love in free agency).
Probably not all at once. We have a great whiskey bar in Denver that will carry (and list) Pappy on the menu. I always ask about availability across the line, but the hit rate is about 25%. If something's available, it's generally not what I want.
"not at all" impressed? I agree that it's an imperfect rep in a lot of ways, but she still lifted 2x what most women I know could barely attempt.
Actually, the band will play stand cheers using an 8 - 16 bar section of staple songs. We have cuts for Script's "Le Regiment", "Across the Field" and, yes, "Hang on Sloopy"
Packers owner here (love saying that) - we needed OL help and I'm elated it came in the form of a Buckeye! Go Pack go!