As a Buckeye born and raised in Columbus, now living in SEC country, I had an interesting conversation about this yesterday. Conference pride runs deep in the south, much more so than in the north. I never cared how good the Big Ten was compared to other conferences until the SEC started ramming it down our throats. I still don't really care. There's no competition for who wins the best conference. The value I think it adds is in recruiting. Kids want to play in big games and win. Now we're starting to see more Big Ten teams play and win big games. The SEC "dominance" was really only the Urban Meyer and Nick Saban dominance. And that domination hasn't changed at all, except for the fact that Urban is now in the Big Ten.
I think I've heard Urban Meyer talk of his friendship with Mike Leach. Leach tried to get him to go bear hunting or something like that. He's a strange guy for sure, probably with some undiagnosed behavioral...something. But he's done this kind of thing before. I think he would make an outstanding offensive coordinator somewhere but will always be an average HC.
What I don't understand is last year we beat Hawaii by 33 and UFM was defensive when asked why we didn't play better. But this year we put 776 yards on a team and he says "good not great." To the average know-nothing fan like me, we played much closer to our potential this year against BG than we did last year against Hawaii.
Why would anyone hire Art Briles and risk all the baggage and potential risk when they could get Tom Herman out of Houston? I'm thinking of schools like Texas and Texas A&M that have head coaches on "warming" seats.
Something to consider is conference expansion. Look at New Jersey (+2.7%), Maryland (+1.1%), and Virginia (+3%).
I've heard of playing devil's advocate, but no need to judge fellow Buckeyes' opinions. You've made your point to defend Coach Saban several times, we get it.
Urban Meyer is great. Nick Saban is great. They are 2-2 vs each other and will continue to face off against each other as long as they're both in the business.
Honestly who cares. His personality helps Ohio State. Harbaugh is effectively giving Urban motivational currency to use against them. You know there will be a "wall" of Harbaugh comments somewhere in the WHAC.
Youre correct. I think the random ESPN graphic I was thinking of was that no Ohio State coach has won his first 5 games against ttun.
Love Zeke. Only helps cement his legacy as a Buckeye even further. Probably a topic for another discussion, but I do not want TTUN to hold up their end of the bargain when it comes to this rivalry. They've beaten us twice in the last 15 years and I hate them just the same. They can have all the headlines they want for the Harbaugh's Circus and Clown Show, as long as it's not for beating us. Someone should check, but I don't think Ohio State has ever won 5 straight, so there are still records to be broken!
Thanks for this post DJ. I make it a point not to click on any Orlando Sentinal articles, especially Mike Bianchi. He gets paid for writing headlines (ie. throw the name "Urban Meyer" in your headline 6 years after he leaves your insubstantial school and see how many hits you get) that get hits so I don't want to contribute. 11w should designate one person to read Bianchi articles and then summarize for us so we can minimize the number of hits he gets.
I can totally see Coach saying that, or at least something to that effect. Look at what he says about players who DID sign with Ohio State: "if you're here for 6 months and tagged with having potential it means you're not very good and you should be."
This kind of honesty is so refreshing. If I said something like that, people would think I was a jerk and it would bother me. It doesn't bother him at all and that's what's so great about it.
Of course it was directed at TTUN, because they ARE jump-starting their program. If Jim Harbaugh really knew how to sell a program (I say from my middle-management office while eating a lean cuisine), "you're darn right we're jump-starting our program. We will do anything that helps make this program better." But of course, he's a child and responded in the most back-handed way possible...and on twitter. From how he presents himself and Ohio State to the media, to how he recruits, to how he leads, Urban Meyer acts like a man. Jim Harbaugh acts like a child.
Speaking of tickets, what must one do to go? Is it invite-only? Can't go wrong with that lineup.
This is surprising at first. But how many teams run the ball when they're losing in the fourth quarter? It seems like most teams throw the ball in that situation to avoid running down too much clock and because they need a lot of yards in a hurry. It's hard because I've tried to block all 4 of these losses out of my memory, but this seems more likely the case for first loss to MSU and VT.
I think Samuel should take over for Braxton and Dunn/Weber should take over for Zeke.
I admit to being paranoid about the culture next year. Dunn has had to earn his way on special teams, which was fine cause we had Hyde and Zeke. But we have 2 redshirt freshmen (Weber and Torrance Gibson) talking about making an impact right away and getting us back to the playoffs. These guys heard Zeke's comments last year about wanting the ball more. Do they understand that he EARNED the right to even ask? My fear is that they will come in entitled to demand carries/reps without earning them and because it is a reloading year, we will give in to their demands out of necessity, and the coaches will begin to lose control of the team. Isn't this what happened at Florida?
I'm sure I'm just a paranoid fan/alum and this is a very negative outlook, but I am concerned. Hopefully, the GOAT learned from what happened at Florida and can make sure this doesn't happen here.
I've heard this theory before also and tend to agree. If it continues to be about winning titles for his own legacy, he will get bored and do something else after his son graduates (HS or college if he plays baseball at tOSU). But if he can make the transition to where it's about helping new players get that experience of winning a title, that will keep it fresh and keep him coming back for more since there are new players every year. In the NFL, you have roster changes, but not nearly as much as the complete overhaul that takes place in college every few years. Always more young minds to mentor and coach and help win titles in college, which is exactly what Urban loves to do. The only other way he would leave is if he should ever lose the team like he did at florida.
I think The Grind did have something to do with it. Not the words themselves, but we became satisfied with simply winning. All season we struggled to get our mojo offensively but the attitude was "we won, so what's the problem?" 2014, after the loss, the attitude was relentlessly beat people up. Angry. Hungry. Prove something. Hurt people. They didn't appear to be out to prove anything this year, just to get by. I hope the mantra next year is "Angry."
There are a ton of comments so forgive me if I repeat someone else. Weber was on the phone with Harbaugh at 10am. I'm clearly not a coach but I would be weary of showing all my cards to someone who I'm not yet convinced is going to play for me and is still talking to my closest rivals. I get how it looks misleading, and if weber decides to get out, I totally get that and don't blame him. But I also understand the reasoning for not telling him.
It's amazing to me how one man can influence an entire sport. Michael Jordan changed professional basketball as a player, and Urban Meyer has continually changed major college football as a coach. He created the SEC bias that we've all come to hate. The entire sport has revolved around the south and that conference since he led Florida to beat us. Now he's at Ohio State undoing all of that and changing the college football landscape again. Urban is bringing Big Ten schools together, just like he did in the SEC. He publicly said that he used the Wisconsin and MSU wins to give us confidence against Alabama. That has to make Wisconsin and MSU fans feel good, and builds conference pride for the Big Ten. He also changed how money is spent in the SEC and I wouldn't be surprised if the B1G and universities start spending more money on assistants and recruiting too.
Then there's night games, spread offense, speed, etc. His success at Utah paved the way for Boise state and TCU as well.
My my point is there are a lot of really good coaches out there that win and make their programs better, but I can't think of any coach that has had as large of an impact on college football than UFM. So glad he's on our side now.
First off, I love the passion and energy that's coming from everyone on the team, players and coaches alike.
My opinion, as a fan, and someone who buys Ohio State ties, shirts, jackets, pullovers, phone covers, grill covers, calendars, basically anything under the sun with a Buckeye on it, and someone who has traveled to NOLA (08, not this year), East Lansing, Ann Arbor, Indianapolis, etc. to watch our team play, and someone who spent 5 years at Ohio State because I couldn't spend 6 - my opinion does matter. Disclaimer: I've never played a snap of football, but I'm decently intelligent, I watch A LOT, and have learned a lot from the articles on 11w.
Last year's defensive struggles weren't the only reason why some fans, including myself, called for Fickell to be fired. The defense had been sub-par since 2011. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is insanity. I looked at it as "you change or I will change you" (as in replace you). Urban Meyer openly said, and fans agreed, that we needed to have more aggressive defense and more press coverage. But we kept seeing the defense get torched in soft coverage. "We won the game didn't we?" So it was a lot of "FIRE FICKELL! He sucks as a play caller and game planner!"
But just like we couldn't run a full spread offense until we had the proper athletes, I don't believe we could have run press coverage as much as we wanted to in 2011, 12, and 13. I don't think we had the athletes. Ohio State always has good or great athletes, but we recruited and developed DBs to fit a zone defense more than man because that's what we ran. Now that we are recruiting a different style athlete and developing them for the type of defense we want, we are able to run more man-to-man press coverage - and seeing the results.
This isn't about Fickell waking up and relenting to change or Ash coming in and saving the day. This is a change that has taken years to make. I have pulled back from my Fire Fickell days. He has proven himself as a LB coach time and time again, and we seem to, at times, have a complete defense that is sound in the run and pass. I hear him on the hype videos, he's more motivational than I would have thought, and he is more Buckeye than just about anybody. I like the co-coordinators because it's not one guy. You've got 4 guys in the room coming up with a plan and working together to put the best product on the field.
So needless to say, I am all in with this staff and with these players, but it has taken time and results. I firmly believe we will play the absolute best we can play tomorrow, maybe even better than we are. BTW I am wearing the same tie Urban wore to his introductory press conference because I wore it Friday Dec 5 and Wednesday before ttungiving and it makes me feel like a boss. GO BUCKS!!!
For me, this is about total redemption from the loss to Florida January 8, 2007. Ohio State was the favorite, traditional power with staunch defense and an uptight head coach. Florida was the angry underdog with a dynamic offense. I don't want to just beat Alabama, although a win in any fashion will do. But I want embarrassment. I want Alabama fans, and consequently all _ _ _ fans to feel like I felt. I want 41-14. I want the Crimson Tide to crash into the angriest team to ever take the field. Establish the run early. Make them put more in the box than they're used to and take pressure off of Cardale Jones. Then hit Devin Smith long to stretch it out and hit EZE/Thomas/Samuel to open it up. Go fast, real fast, wear them out. Get pressure on the QB and help Doran Grant out as he will have the toughest job of the night. I am so pumped for this game, but nervous as hell. GO BUCKS!
I graduated from tOSU in 2009 and I worked at Subway most of the time I was there. I kept hearing about all the incoming freshmen and their high ACT scores, which is fine, but you would never know it by the way they order a sub. Maybe it's the difference between book smart and street smart. Maybe your bucket of smart is only so big and the more book smart you have, the less street smart you have. But they were some of the dumbest people I've ever seen, at least when it came to ordering and paying for a subilicious five dollar foot-long. I never understood how in the world these same kids scored that high on a standardized test.
To me this HAS to be football related. They are all living together in a hotel during camp. He couldn't have been out drinking, he couldn't have gotten in a fight with his girlfriend. But many students lose scholarships all the time for poor performance. If I'm on academic scholarship and drop below an agreed upon GPA, I lose my scholarship. There's no second chances. So I am perfectly fine with a policy that says if you're not earning your football scholarship, we'll give someone else a chance to earn one.
How much of the more positive spin do you think is a result of Urban working for them last year? Would they be talking about Braxton as a heisman candidate if he was putting up the same numbers under Tress?
At the beginning of the year, I counted these last 2 games as potential losses. So at that time, the thought of going 8-4 or 9-3 would not have been terrible to me. However, seeing how things have played out this season and the potential we have, it would be a huge disappointment to lose one or both of these last 2 games. Obviously losing to TSUN is always a disappointment, but although I don't believe in the transitive property of college football, the way Lisa put it with Bama crushing them, if they then beat us, it would just be another SEC blow to our pride on top of losing to TSUN. I guess losing at Wisc. wouldn't seem so bad compared to losing to TSUN but it would still be disappointing. We are better than both so if we don't finish 12-0...disappointment.