I dont think much of Romo either, but both Romo and Manziel put up big numbers. Neither of them ever win anything of significance. Romo can't win a playoff game. Manziel beat Alabama one time, but other than that, he beat up on the bottom tier of the SEC and a bunch of cupcakes. I would rather have a quarterback that does whats needed to win than a quarterback that puts up video game numbers and loses big games. Throw Braxton in that conversation as well. He hasn't won anything either.
At what point did I mention Brady Quinn? I asked how many Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks have done well in the NFL. Cam is the exception, not the rule. I knew Andrew Luck would be a good to great NFL QB, just like I knew Peyton Manning would be a good to great NFL QB. Peyton turned out to be all time great, and Luck could end up that way. And you are right, sometimes you can practice all you want, and someone will be better. Someone is always better, unless you are an all time great. So, my new question is, do you really believe that Johnny Manziel is going to be an all time great NFL QB?
I agree with everything you said. My point with the post is that even people who benefited greatly from having him around were put off by him. I don't know about you, but I did a great deal of maturing while in college. The same cannot be said for Manziel. The NFL WILL humble him. Of that I am certain. We will see how he handles it.
How many Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks in the last 20 years have done anything in the NFL? 3? 4? Yes, I think every starting quarterback in the league is better than any quarterback who has never taken a snap in the NFL. Until they prove they can play, its all hype.
I had a conversation with one of my members today (I'm a golf professional at a high end private sporting community outside Savannah) who is a TAMU alum, booster, and gigantic football fan. He also happens to be a Browns and Indians fan. I asked him today what he thought about the draft, and he said "The Browns are going to wish they went in a different direction. Johnny cannot be humbled, and he just doesn't get it, meaning he will never change his ways. He will not fit well in Cleveland. Oil and water." He spent some time with him at various booster events last summer. All you need to know.
Are you kidding me!!!!??? Johnny Manziel is a better quarterback than Tony Romo? Of all the insane things people are saying about Manziel, that is by far the craziest. He hasn't even thrown a pass yet. Hell, he may not even win the starting job. If Hoyer can play like he did in three games last year, Manziel won't even see the field. By the way, I'm no Romo fan, but I think its a fair comparison. Laughable!
I was just thinking this the other day. I can only imagine the kind of numbers Troy would have put up in that offense, or the current Buckeye staff's offense for that matter. So to answer your question, the things that Johnny Manziel has that Troy Smith didn't is 1. He played in the SEC, so ESPN blew smoke up everyone's ass on his behalf, and 2. an extremely narcissistic personality that exudes arrogance, which people sometimes confuse with confidence. In no way is Manziel a better quarterback than Troy Smith from a skill set standpoint.
Since when has catching touchdowns EVER been a bad thing?
hahaha...they had to know it would come back and bite them, but maybe not this soon
But, but, didn't you hear? The Browns have Johnny Football now. He's the next Fran Tarkenton/Dan Marino/John Elway/Joe Montana. The Steelers don't stand a chance now!
More or less. He's extremely fun to watch, like Manziel, but you're right, he hasn't won anything. The difference is Braxton isn't out in the spotlight saying" look at me, I'm Johnny Fing Football! I'm the greatest!". But they are very similar in terms of not winning anything that really matters.
Ole Miss twice, Arkansas twice, MIss St twice, Vanderbuilt, 2012 Auburn, 2012 Missouri. Yeah, that murders row. Throw in Rice, Sam Houston State twice, UTEP, SMU twice, Louisiana Tech, and South Carolina State. Whew!!!! It's a wonder they won any games at all.
Winners win....Just sayin'
Everyone keeps saying he won in college. What did he win? He won a Heisman, but he didnt win the SEC, he won against Alabama once. Aside from that game, he beat a bunch of bad teams.
I lied. The Browns took Manziel at 22, and I'm not good. Screw the Browns. I'm now a Bengals fan.
Can you say "Anger Bang?"
cuz pain lets you know you're alive! :)
"Punk" may be the wrong word. Arrogant is probably better. Browns fans stick together. We are a community. We pick each other up after every football season, and we get each other excited for the upcoming season. Its never about this player or that player. It's about the Browns, the Dawg Pound, and the city of Cleveland. Manziel is all about himself. He's all about the glitz and glamour, and "hey everybody, look at me!" The cash signs, all the selfies, and just generally acting like a spoiled little rich kid. If I thought for one second that he could bring a championship to Cleveland, I'd be all for it, but the guy is not a winner.
I've said before, if the Browns draft him at 26, then I'm fine. I still think it would be a wasted pick, but at least its not a top 5 wasted pick. And as for the aforementioned big games, he went 2 - 6 in 2012 and 2013 against teams that one could argue had a chance to win a national championship: Florida and LSU in 2012 were losses, Alabama and Oklahoma were wins(Oklahoma is being generous though). Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Missouri were losses in 2013. No good wins last year except Duke, and lets be honest, nobody's going crazy because they beat Duke. The guy put up great stats, but he doesn't win big games against great teams. I could care less what his numbers are. And in NO WAY shape for form does he have a cannon for an arm. Brett Favre had a cannon. Cam Newton has a cannon. Manziel has an average arm at best.
And how many Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks have amounted to anything in the NFL? Cam's pretty damn good. RGIII is a wait and see at this point. Who else in the last 20 years has done anything in the NFL? The talking heads on the networks like talking about Manziel because people listen, ratings go up. All I'm saying is he WILL NOT be a good NFL Quarterback. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it.
What has he shown that makes people think he will be even a good NFL QB? He runs around alot, which will get him killed in the NFL. He has to throw it as hard as he can to get it 40 yards down the field. He is really accurate, as long as the wide receivers are 6'6" with great hands. He beat Alabama once, and pretty much lost all the other big games he played in. I for one don't want a "decent" QB. I want a 10-15 year starter who appreciates where is he, and appreciates a fan base that appreciates him. Manziel, if he does turn out to be "decent", will bolt Cleveland for any number of teams in bigger markets, because at the end of the day, in his mind, it's all about him.
So you are saying you want Manziel in Cleveland? You mean the Browns haven't been enough of a clown show for you to this point, and you want them to make things worse?
Johnny Manziel WILL be a bust. The browns are much better off with Hoyer. After all the bad qb picks this franchise has made, do we really want another flavor of the month quarterback with a pee shooter arm?
i both hate and love this....please god no johnny manziel, but Hyde would be awesome