exactly. and even without Miller, how many games are we actually going into as the underdogs? Thats what I dont get about the ESPIN drama over "the Buckeyes are ruined!!! All hope of marginal success GONE!!!" ...with the exception of Mich St (which was already referenced as an uphill game even with Miller), I havent heard any of the talking heads mention any new specific games in which we are no longer the favorites to win. But sure, doom and gloom gets pageviews.
my mantra this week has been "trust in Urban Meyer, trust in Urban Meyer"
Real talk though, we were expecting to walk through the regular season and that just isn't going to happen anymore. Games like UC and Penn State just got a whole lot more interesting but that doesn't mean the are un-winnable. Here's the difference - we can still win each game...but it just got a whole lot harder to win every game. I'm predicting a good number of heart attack-inducing 4th quarters and it will come down to the grit team, the chip on their shoulder, and the ability to put the offseason improvements on the field as the whether those end in victory or heartbreak.
upvote for the HP reference :-)
I hadn't noticed but thinking back...yea I could see that. Anyone with google skills and a free evening want to give us some stats? Now I'm curious how it actually panned out.
Hook always gets my vote. Such a great movie and also an amazing meld of his comedic genius and his serious side.
must be nice and warm and dry up on your high horse. unfortunately, when its 10 degrees and 20 mph winds through the upper deck or pouring rain at 2pm or 3rd quarter of 4+ touchdown lead over a cupcake team, "passion for OSU football" isnt always enough for all 105,000+ fans to yell about continuously. I'll take whatever gets people on their feet and making noise, yes even Seven Nation Army.
Not to mention that Wiscy fans never shut up about being B1G champions 3 years in a row but become either deaf or overly aggressive if it is pointed out that the 3rd one was essentially handed to them by virtue of 2 teams above them being on probation. They seem to think of it along the lines of "3-time B1G Champions, we've been dominating the conference for years!" ...
I've been out of school for 5 years but I still prefer getting tickets in the student section when I go back for games, the atmosphere is just so much more fun and I cant stand being told to sit down by some one behind me on a 3rd and short. The day I change my mind about sitting in the student section I will count as the day I officially grow up.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ YES, all of this. At this point is has become a 100% PR/politics situation.
Just a few thoughts: first, no way is Waters getting his job back. There's just no chance that OSU could take the chance of looking sympathetic to any sort of harassing culture, however hasty or biased the initial report may look.
BUT, for those who wanted him to change everything overnight - that also just wasn't going to happen. Sure, he could have banned a lot of the practices outright and discouraged others and, in retrospect, perhaps he should have if only so that his story now would show more effort and ignorance of/disagreement with continuing practices. But continue they would have, behind his back or underground. Culture of a group that insular and that long-historied just plain doesn't change that quickly, especially when you have a bunch of college kids feeling like they are being subjected to excessive oversight. As a few people mentioned above, just look at how Mirror Lake has gone. The administration has been trying to tamp down or eliminate that event for at least 4 years and they are just starting to make progress. You know why they didnt ban it outright from the start when they made the decision a few years back? Because it would have happened anyway!
Also, as for the actual lines that were crossed and rules that were broken in the band's "traditions", I encourage everyone to go read the full report and then go read OSU's hazing and harassment restrictions for student organizations. They are very clearly spelled out under one of the links on the Dean of Student Affairs website. With everything that was supposedly going on in the band, about 75% of the things listed in the report do NOT fall under the universities anti-harassment/hazing guidelines (unfortunately, I know these guidelines all too well, from a past experience with hazing allegations in a student organization). The other 25% that crossed the lines - yes, that needed to be dealt with and is completely not acceptable. However, the detail of the report in reference to individual practices that were really not that bad combined with the actual harassment/hazing only contributed to the somewhat exaggerated negative image of the "culture".
FInally, the biggest question now is how the band will fare moving foward. They are not getting Waters back but finding the right replacement is key. Like some others, I know a bit about the tension between the Music School and the band and I am extremely wary of replacing Waters, even temporarily, with people from the Music School. However you feel about Waters' actions in fixing the band culture, his contributions to the band have made them an international phenomena over the past 2 years and losing that would be devastating,
The only move I would accept would be back to the weekend before Thanksgiving. Besides just being better timing for Michigan week festivities, non-holiday gameday plans, and students actually being on campus/able to go, I think it would help a lot with subduing the intensity of back-to-back spotlight games for the players. The extra week may have made the difference between a B1G championship last year. I dont care what time of day it is played, it will always be the biggest event of the day, at any hour.
(although, full disclosure - as an alum I do enjoy the fact that being the Sat after thanksgiving means there are even more student tickets on the secondary market and its the one game I'm now virtually guaranteed to be back in town for, since my family Thanksgiving always happens in either Ohio or Ann Arbor. But even still, though the current set up makes it easier for me personally to get to the Game, I would still prefer it to be one week earlier, followed by a by week.)
Mensa is essentially based on an IQ test and supposedly if you score in the 98th percentile (top 2%) of the general population you gain entry. Except that like all IQ tests, how accurately it actually measures intelligence is debatable. Also, I'm not sure how they calculate what score puts you in the top 2% since i'm pretty sure a full cross section of the general population is not taking regular Mensa entrance tests.
Here is a "sample" quiz from Mensa if you need to kill 30 min today and are curious how you stack up against TH: https://www.mensa.org/workout.php
I would hold out for Championship game, for the same as Killer Nuts' reasoning above. However, that is ONLY because I am within driving distance of Dallas so if if we lose and I sell off the tickets for a profit at the last minute I'm not also out a plane ticket. If travel to both semi finals and championship required booking a flight, I would have to go semis just to avoid the risk of booking a flight I later had no desire to use.
8pm kickoff in The Shoe in November?? Ugh. I'd vote St John's for sure. But i might be an outlier in liking a 3:30 kickoff for The Game - it makes it a whole day event with still time for food/beers afterwards and it still basically feels like a night game because by that time of year its getting dark by 4:30 amyway.
I had grown to love Ohio more after leaving than I probably would have had I never left.
I dont know what it is about Ohio that makes this so true but pretty much every Ohio native I know would agree. I've transplanted to Texas and the form that state pride takes down here is completely different than what I know from home. Most of the Texas state pride I've seen takes the form of "this is the absolute greatest place in the world and you're crazy if you would ever want to live anywhere else EVER", to the point where they can be downright rude when finding out other people's backgrounds/origins. (I've gotten a lot of "oh I bet you're glad to be down here now!" and "welcome to the heart of southern hospitality, I bet its a refreshing change from back home" when they find out I'm from the "northeast"). Interestingly, the most fanatical devotion seems to come from a majority of people who have never left the state of Texas (yes, there are a lot of those).
On the other hand, growing up in Ohio, most of the people I went to school with couldnt wait to leave the state and get away. And a lot of them did, whether for school, or later, for jobs. But now a lot of them are back or trying to get back. It helps that Cincinnati and now Columbus have started to catch up with the urban revitilization trend thats been rebuilding urban communities across the country. But even before the Short North expansion or Over the Rhine rebuilding, Ohio has been drawing people home. I would be back in a heartbeat, if only my career choice existed somewhere in the state.
Bravo to the B1G presidents for taking a logical and well thought-out approach to the whole issue. But I have the same question as LWitters above - which of their suggestions is specifically restricted by the NCAA? 4-year scholarship guarantees seem to be allowes. I dont know enough about NCAA regulations to know the details of amount of scholarship or health care restrictions. Couldn't they start implementing these things as a conference? I'm also wondering if the presidents and Delany are completely on the same page here, given his recent testimony.
I think guaranteed scholarships based on true cost of attendence would quiet a lot of the pay-for-play debate, with some sort of logical ruling in the O'Bannon case allowing some personal profit off of personal likenesses solving the rest of it. There will always be a handful of athletes who think they are worth more than they are getting, even if all these changes are implemented (ditto for all people everywhere, not just student athletes) but that problem is brought on by the NBA/NFL's use of college sports as development leagues and that, honestly, is not the universities' fault nor their responsibility to fix.
Social media is about a lot more than "selfies" and the desire for wifi is about alot more than social media. And the people who are going to facebook instead of watching the game are already not watching the game, they are yelling drunkenly at someone 3 rows behind them or reposting a tweet 5 times to try to get it to work over spotty cell coverage. Plus with so many unecessary commercial breaks, etc there is plenty of time at the game spent not watching the game and being able to check in on the wider world would be amazingly convenient.
Plus I absolutely cannot wait for someone to get a good enough seat and good enough data/wifi connection to livestream a TBDBITL halftime performance onto the internet somewhere so I can switch the talking heads off in favor of that.
I actually love about 40% of the state of Michigan. Specifically anywhere within about 15 miles of any Great Lakes shoreline. Its beautiful.
I didnt buy football season tickets my freshman year for no apparent reason and then had to watch the '06, Game of the Century version of The Game on a TV in the dorm lobby with my weird roommates becasue everyone else was at the game. I have never forgiven myself.
I was on Penn State's campus for the whole Sandusky/Paterno everything and now refuse to discuss the events with anyone except for 3 specific friends because I saw both sides of it (Joe-bots and anti) up close and pretty much everyone's take on it pisses me off.
I think Gordon Gee was the best thing to happen to OSU in decades and I will defend him to the end. I think OSU made a HUGE mistake getting rid of him like they did.
the crowd was (is) already fueled with beer ... and whiskey and rum and vodka and anything else that can be snuck in with a flask/waterbottle stuck in a waistband
These proactive efforts are different from complaint-driven investigations included on the list, as Ohio State is not under investigation for any Title IX complaints about sexual harassment or assault.
This whole sentence is confusing and I'm trying to figure out exactly what they are saying. I get that they are separating the protocols and resources currently in place from direct complaints about specific cases (I think?). Then it seems to indicate that the list is based on complaint-driven investigations. Ok.
So these schools listed are ones where someone made a complaint and, as a result, DOE is investigating that complaint. But then "Ohio State is not under investigation for any Title IX complaints about sexual harassment..." So are they under investigation for a complaint about sexual harassment/assault that does not fall under Title IX? Or are they under investigation for a Title IX complaint that is not related to sexual harassment? (which could be any number of things involving availability of equal opportunity) Or am I missing it completely?
Kentucky football finally discovered how close it is to Ohio.
well, it was going to happen sooner or later...
The reactions to Sherman's rant sound a lot like the clutch-your-pearls horror that erupted over Hall's exiting salute from the Michigan game. The spectators and media demand class and composure but the game demands passion and confidence and at least a bit of anger and you're not always going to keep that perfectly boxed into actions of the field. The emotion is part of why we love the game but its not always going to be pretty.
all of this. yes. 1000 upvotes for you, sir, if I could. and being an Ohio sports fan living out of state I cant even count the number of times I've had the same "but what happened, you guys were doing so well" conversation...
...if you'd have been there
if you'd have seen it
I bet you, you would have done the same
oh it hurts all right. but couch fires and riots happen after wins. after losses everyone just goes and sits at home and drinks their troubles away. The quietest saturday nights I ever saw on campus were after losses. After the 07 Illinois game I walked from Gateway to Lane an hour after the game and saw maybe a dozen people.