I agree with the sentiment, but I think this should be reserved for the original trainwrecks in West Lafayette. If anything Ohio State can be compared to Purdue Football, then God help us all.
You may be dumbfounded, we're fed up. I hear NC State is looking for a new coach.
I agree that Ohio State is not a "loyalty and feelings" school. Think about a school like St. Joseph's - remember them? In 2004, they came into the tournament #1 with a 27-1 record under coach Phil Martelli, who is currently in his 22nd year with the school. At St. Joseph's, good teams from a decade ago and gratitude for being a good guy can keep you around for that long. Ohio State is not St. Joseph's and the last four years don't cut it.
Incidentally, that one loss for St. Joseph's was in the Atlantic 10 tournament to Thad Matta's Xavier Musketeers, which almost certainly contributed to Matta's hiring at Ohio State weeks later. It's the circle of life.
2010-11: 34-3, Sweet Sixteen
2011-12: 31-8, Final Four; worse record, but further in the tournament, so I'd consider this an improvement
2012-13: 29-8, Elite Eight
2013-14: 25-10, First Round
2014-15: 24-11, Second Round; further in the tournament, but this is hardly a meaningful improvement. I consider this a decline.
2015-16: 21-14, NIT Second Round
2016-17: 15-13, TBD
So I'd consider that five seasons of regression. The argument for Thad is that we had a high ceiling from which to start this decline - when you make a Final Four, it's hard to call the season a failure when you can't replicate that success.
But does Thad deserve one more year to "right the ship?" I say absolutely not. That was this year - purging half of the roster last offseason was the hail mary, and this was the recovery season - not to mention the Big Ten is weak this season, so even a mediocre team should have been able to finish in the top half of the conference. This season has been an even more embarrassing disaster than last year, and the recruiting trajectory remains grim. Thad's a good guy and he's done some great things for Ohio State basketball but that does not earn a lifetime pass to be the head coach.
Pat Narduzzi might be the third crankiest coach, but he's number 1 on the most immature, petulant, childish coach list. His behavior during the Pitt-VT game last year was incredible. I never realized what an ass that guy was when he was in the box at MSU, but the guy is a grade A douchebag.
If we were having this conversation in 2014 or 2015 I'd be more willing to be patient. This is our fourth consecutive season of mediocrity, and I disagree that we are better: we have already lost as many Big Ten games this season as we did in the 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons, with six more conference games coming up. I like Thad, I really do, but I'll be very disappointed if he's back next year.
And speaking of "one more year" - that's this year, this is the year of benefit of the doubt. Last offseason when a ton of players were jettisoned, I reluctantly got on the "one more year" bandwagon - and here we are, stuck in another lousy season. No more years, Thad.
So we're at the point where a 4 point home win over Rutgers and a remote possibility of a tournament invitation is good enough? Having our "signature wins" be against a projected 8 seed (MSU) and a 10 seed (Minnesota) is a joke. I disagree that Matta deserves another season.
Here's to feeling good, all the time.
I count 25 decommitments since 9/27. Do I just not know what "commitment" means?
God I hate Tom RInaldi. "There's emotion on your face, why?" What a douchebag.
So do fans who refuse to acknowledge shortcomings and weaknesses until something humiliating like this happens. I've been getting told to relax for two years, and I had a feeling it would take a big loss like this to jar people out of that. Even in my pessimism, that loss was worse than I ever imagined it would be.
Jim Calhoun has the ugliest voice I've ever heard.
I just don't understand the perspective that criticisms are only allowed if you could do better. If my surgeon leaves a scalpel inside me, oh well that's okay no criticisms allowed because I couldn't have operated on myself any better.
Damn, Rece Davis is calling him out right now during halftime of the UL-UK game. "Like a petulant child."
You know, I started hearing people talk about this and I thought, there's no way it's that bad.
It is that bad. What a prick. The trip is egregious enough, but his reaction afterwards is incredible.
Hell of a start.
It sounds like something Stalin would say. I try to be objective but Michigan and their fans and their university and their football team are pathetic.
Micah Potter reminds me of Gabe from The Office.
According to Eleven Warriors' comment policy: "If a particularly dumb comment reaches -5 votes, it's unreadable. Once it reaches -10, it's locked. We don't want that to happen often, but we realize that sometimes the trolls come out from below the bridge. Don't be that troll. Don't hold a grudge and downvote people you don't like "just because." Be conscientious and understanding of differing viewpoints; they're what makes the world go 'round."
So what the 2:1 downvote:upvote ratio here is saying is that your comment, which is rational, coherent, cites precedent, and provides a reasonable opinion, is "particularly dumb." You are "that troll" for thinking that Ohio State won't make the playoff. I've been increasingly frustrated by the tunnel vision around here recently. I want Ohio State to make the playoff. The original commenter does too. You do if you're reading this. But it is delusional to think that it is impossible that we don't make it.
Same - go Hokies, I wonder if Hokiepro is lurking around and can send us some VT mojo.
I will feel much, much better if Virginia Tech can eliminate Clemson. I also go to VT so I'm rooting for them anyway but it's mostly Buckeye selfishness. I think Alabama, Ohio State, Washington, and Wisconsin would be so much fun.
Can someone who was at the game describe Harbaugh's unsportsmanlike penalty? Kirk mentioned that his playcard flew out onto the field but it wasn't shown on TV. Michigan fans are irate about this penalty too - Woody got his for throwing line markers on the field, Bobby Knight got his for a chair, why wouldn't that petulant prick get his for throwing papers onto the playing field?
Honestly I thought the 3rd down spot was a little short. I don't think I'll lose any sleep over it though.
For a long time I've at least had respect for Michigan fans for being knowledgeable about the game, but the sheer number of them parroting this ridiculous complaint has erased that respect. Our fanbase, like any, has its moments of nonsense, but I'm glad we didn't dwell on the pass interference call against Penn State the way Michigan fans are going on about this. To me this has become a complete humiliation for their team and fans.
So what's the reasoning - could there be a situation where a team would purposefully miss a field goal so that their opponent would end up with lousy field position? That would be pretty shrewd but guess I get it.