Maybe I read it wrong, but wasn't this article written in April? That's 4 months before we learned just how bad this offense would miss Tom Herman, Evan Spencer, and deep ball Devin Smith. At least last year we could put up big plays on the ground (Zeke) and through the air (Devin smith), now this offense is reduced to hoping Zeke busts a big run, because the passing game is hot garbage, and the QB is more of a liability in the running game than he is an asset. How many sustained, long drives do they have through 5 games? Maybe 5 or 6 against some pretty terrible defenses?
Agreed, at this point I feel like Urban has talked himself into a corner with Cardale, and no amount of poor play from Cardale will be enough to actually force the switch. He tried the "play the hot hand" game the first two games, and it produced little benefit and generally irritated everyone outside of the team itself. So he came out and declared Cardale as 1st string, and has been rewarded with pretty poor play in every game he's started Cardale. At this point he is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
The Buckeyes rank 12th in the Big Ten and are 121st nationally in red-zone touchdown percentage as they've crossed the goal line just 37.5 percent of the time
Cardale has been decidedly not fine. The QB is the leader of the offense, plain and simple. For all of Cardale's fans saying that you can't use JT's success from last year as a bench mark, then you also can't use Cardale's success last year either. Look at the stat above, and then pick from any number of other offensive stats. This offense isn't bad by OSU's standards, it's bad by any team's standards.
Good Lord, I've been telling everyone I know I think Urban will come to regret his QB decision in the years to come, but all of these damn forum posts are getting a bit repetitive. The JT camp (me included) and the Cardale camp are never going to see eye to eye.
He also has a team-voted captain and reigning B1G QB of the year riding the bench, so there's that. I only hope that without his big play throws, and amid his accuracy and touch issues, that Cardale doesn't begin to lose the confidence of his offense, and the team as a whole.
Asking them to destroy every team is an otherworldly expectation, but asking a dominant National Championship team returning 80% of its starters to, I don't know, move the ball against the Indiana's of the world isn't an otherworldly expectation. They have real, legitimate problems, and they will lose against better teams if they don't get those problems fixed. We can debate the cause of those problems, but they are indisputably a very flawed team right now.
Well said, and five games into the season, MSU and UM are quite frankly terrifying. They are playing with fire every game, I'd rather it not be a team from up north that finally burns them, but if I were betting my own hard earned money, it wouldn't be on OSU.
Doesn't matter when it's called, Cardale can't run it effectively anyway. He often makes the wrong read, and even when he does make the correct read, teams are taking away the pitch b/c he's not a real running threat. Sure he gets some nice gains, but every team they play knows he's not a home run threat.
2014 Big Ten quarterback of the year and Heisman Trophy finalist, so lets put him on the bench. I realize Cardale can make some throws that JT can't, but without Devin Smith catching those deep balls this year, Cardale is ineffectual. Herman + JT = B1G records last year, I would have thought Meyer would keep the only part of that equation that remains, but alas he put him on the bench. So now we have Warriner/Beck + Cardale = hot garbage. He was awesome in the post season last year making those big throws, but now he's not. So what we're left with is poor decision making, taking STUPID sacks, an insignificant running threat, and missing wide open receivers (in the end zone no less). Meyer keeps saying "we have to get better", isn't it simple freaking logic to play the QB who was better than 95% of FBS QB's last year?
Cardale was also hitting deep balls at an astonishing rate last year, something he's not doing this year. I personally under estimated the impact losing Devin Smith would have on the O, but basically we are run, deep ball, run again every series. How many intermediate and short throws did he miss yesterday? The OP has a point, each series is pretty much defined by hitting a big play and scoring, or punting. They don't seem able to manufacture long, sustained drives against anyone.
I think the leadership aspect is a bigger deal than people are acknowledging. Last year the team rallied around Jones because JT was inargueably out for the duration of the season. I think the team did a good job not tipping their hand either way in the off season, but the Captain vote clearly indicates his roll in the locker room. For that reason alone I would prefer JT.
FWIW, I think Cardale needs a deep threat receiver and a strong running game to be successful, whereas JT can make more happen without one or both of those. Just my .02
1. The team sorely misses Herman's play calling. He wasn't brilliant (insert MENSA joke here), but he was far better than the Warriner/Meyer combo is now.
2. Cardale needs a dominate run game and a true, legit deep threat receiver (re: Devin Smith), without those he looks very pedestrian. A strong arm only gets you so far, and it hasn't been much this year.
3. Warriner needs to devote more time to the O-Line, I'm not wise enough to know where (technique, film, conditioning, etc.?), but their less than great play is really dragging the offense down as a whole.
Agree to disagree.. I still maintain that anyone that cares about the team isn't a fairweather fan, fairweather fans like to buy the hats and hoodies of winning teams, yet can't name a single starting O-linemen. I define the fan you described as, "stupid".
Fairweather fans only come around when the team is winning, and fade away when they are not. Members here actually care about the team, questioning coaching decisions or the play of the team doesn't make someone a fairweather fan.
Execution has been terrible, I whole heartedly agree on that. This team has other issues though. Play calling has been less than stellar, and Cardale without Devin Smith has looked aweful. The O-Line is fast becoming the weakest unit on the team. For all the praise Warriner got last year, he should be getting the opposite this year. Maybe he can't handle all the extra work, but the O-Line's problems are severely limiting the offense as a whole. I hope JT has the job going forward, Cardale looks lost and incompetent without a deep threat receiver and the power run game they had at the end of last year. Also, why the hell do they keep trying to run the option with him? He makes bad decisions, and even with space he can't make a defense pay for taking away the pitch. It's going to be a long year if they can't get things sorted out.
Do tell Sir, today was the first time I had heard any iteration of that joke, and I loved it! I work with UM grads daily... That joke is 100% based in truth.
aaand I'll be stealing that joke Hov... Nice. You can't have enough great UM jokes up here in this crap state.
Plymouth... I actually get a kick out of Drew and Marc on 105.1, Mike Valenti on 97.1 in the afternoon is unbearable. I often wonder how nice it would be to be able to listen to OSU radio instead of the combo MSU/UM radio we get up here. It was fun last year when they were forced to acknowledge OSU's greatness, but otherwise it gets a bit tedious day after day.
I'm very thankful for this... There has been quite an upsurge of MSU fans saying, "this is our year", and "we had seniors come back just to beat Ohio State" during the off season. It got a little louder today after Michigan's lackluster performance last night, so going deep in the 4th quarter with a MAC team ought to shut the MSU fans up a bit (hopefully). Living in SE Michigan is the worst...
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Thank you, I did try that. The last article I found was from March of 14', thought I would check in and see if anyone had more up to date information.
Thanks Kevin, just hadn't heard anything about him lately and figured someone here would know. I feel safe in saying we aren't hurting for depth at any of the offensive skill positions!
I've been pretty busy lately, haven't been able to check 11W nearly as much as I'd like to. Did I miss some relevant news?