The only dumb thing here is that you think because you don't agree with it, that no one else should.
It's very tragic, no one is disagreeing with that. But we don't know facts, and arbitrarily ending an event that literally hundreds of thousands of people have participated in because of one accident, or medical issue, or whatever it was, is a bit much. It's not like these kids were being pushed in or forced to participate, they do it because its fun, for the experience, for the memories they'll have for the rest of their lives. Accidents happen, and they are tragic when they do, but you can't "remove" every event that has some minuscule element of danger to it.
Why can't we leave that choice up to the people doing the jumping?
As mentioned above, people die in football, yet the game goes on. People have unfortunately been crushed dancing at concerts, should all musical performances and dancing be banned? Life is full of dangers, but banning anything remotely dangerous and wrapping everyone in bubble wrap is no way to live life. Accidents happen, and you can't ever predict them, so learn to enjoy the time you have and let other people do the same.
Don't give people ideas about the furniture companies...
While this is a tragic event for that young man and his family, what will the lawsuit say? He was forced into the water? He had no choice? I'm really beginning to loathe our overly- litigious and PC culture more and more.
That top ten team should be a 2 loss top 20 team at best, lets not forget they squeaked by UM and had a pretty inexplicable loss to Nebraska.. Oh, and they were also playing their backup QB's the whole game. I'm not blaming the D, they were left on the field the entire freaking game. It's a wonder they only gave up 17 total. But to pretend like losing to a weak-ish MSU is some sort of noble loss is silly... It should have been OSU by two touchdowns at home. You know, like the Vegas guys had it. They've underperformed all year... There's no shame in acknowledging that.
Agree 100%. It's disturbing how many of our fans are delusional enough to see a conspiracy in every critique or criticism of the players and coaches this year. Up until the Bama game last year, I had never given much thought to Finebaum other than assuming he was a typical SEC blowhard, paid to create controversy and the subsequent ratings. During one of those play by play specials they did during the game (side note: how awesome were they?), Finebaum essentially blasted Bama for losing the line of scrimmage, getting beat by better skilled players, etc. There was no SEC spin, no OSU bias, he called it pretty straight. Unfortunately we're on the other end of the (honest and correct) assessments now, and suddenly he is a SEC troll, jumping on the hate bandwagon.
There is no bandwagon of hate to jump on, only the wagon that has been tripping over itself all year and finally crashed last weekend.
I did not inject any of the turkeys, brined and fried or baked. I have the injector set-up, but I've only used it a few times on other cuts (pork butt and pot roast).
I really need to up my smoking game, so far I've only smoked the easy stuff (pork butt, ribs, sausage, and some various combos of beans and chicken breasts). I totally over-smoked and over-cooked some fresh Lake Michigan salmon I had, it was pretty much salmon jerky by the time I pulled it off. I'd also like to start with some whole chickens, maybe a brisket, etc. It's a great hobby, and getting better at it only heightens the reward!
Huh. I've admittedly only fried 4 turkeys total, but the two I brined for 24 hours before frying seemed noticeably better than the other two. Also use a basic rub either way (I apply oil if that turkey is getting baked). I'm fairly new to the smoking world, maybe I'll give that a shot next year when I'm a bit more experienced.
That was when Ohio State was 10-0 and everyone assumed they would get their shit together for the "meat" of their schedule. Instead they quite frankly shit the bed. You may not like Finebaum, or the conference he represents, but he's not wrong. But hey, go ahead and stick your head in the sand and tell everyone with a set of eyes to go F themselves. The only people the team and coaches can blame for the "bandwagon hate" are themselves, they've consistently underperformed all year, it's just up until last weekend they were largely skating on last year's performance.
I've disagreed with alot of the play calling this year, but I actually agree with Urban on some of the 4th and short's this year. You have, at any given time, 1-3 offensive linemen doing their best turnstile impressions and completely whiffing on blocks. They just don't have the push or the pass pro they did last year.
Just one of the many disappointing aspects of the offense this year.
If the team comes out and stomps UM this week, it'll be because they are pissed off and tired of being doubted.. Weather will have nothing to do with it. Weather didnt take away the deep ball on Saturday, Tim Beck did when he walked up to the booth. The offense has been bad all yer for a myriad of reasons, weather being none of them.
The doom and gloom fans (full disclosure: they include me) are for the most part not thinking the program is in for a decline. Rather, I worry about how motivated our players will be for The Game, and also, can't quite get over the MSU loss that was 100% preventable. You could make a case that this team is the most physically gifted to ever wear the S&G, and yet they likely won't even win their own division, let alone a B1G or National Championship. It's just a sad, sad waste of talent from the coaching staff.
And no matter what you say about motivation against TTUN, these guys have played for and won a NC. It has to be disheartening that they likely won't even be playing for their own conference title this year. Add on the fact that many of the starters are going pro next year, and the general frustration the players expressed about the MSU game, I'm not exactly filled with confidence they will be a solid, angry team.
Legitimate question, and one I'm not really sure how to answer. I do think Meyer has a stubbornness that is a detriment to his overall fantastic coaching abilities. Why else did he stick with Withers as Co-DC for two years of an atrocious secondary? Why did it take so long for Bell to earn the starting safety position, he was an immediate success when he did. Why did it take a horrible loss to convince him to "be more involved" in the offense? As you said, why did he try to make an awkward 2 QB system work for half the season? I think it's safe to say Beck was a bad hire, what we'll never know is how long it took Urban to realize that, and most importantly, take measures to move past him.
Its just sad... Quite possibly the most talented Buckeye team ever and they won't even win their own Division, let alone the Conference or a playoff spot.
I believe the guys better equipped at explaining the X's and O's of the game have mentioned that this year. Last year Herman had an idea of what he we doing, and individual plays were just part of a grander offensive philosophy. Even when some plays didnt work, he would go back to a slight variation of that play later to catch the defense by surprise. Essentially, Herman was dictating to the defense more than the defense was dictating what plays we were running. This year... its been a kid pressing buttons at an arcade. Guess that's why Herman is a HC and Beck will likely be calling plays at a smaller school next year (hopefully).
At this point, the long term is precisely what matters.
This is the most frustrating part about this season.. The "long term" builds up to seasons like this one. They got there and won a year early last year, Meyer said as much in interviews after last season. This was the year everyone had circled, and this year has been squandered by a woefully under performing offense, led by a couple coaches who are likely in over their head. It's a damn shame it took a totally predictable and preventable loss to wake Meyer up, had he started kicking ass after the first couple bad games they may have been much more equipped to handle Sparty.
Hit the nail on the head. In OSU's last two losses, they were handily out coached.. Period. At least VaTech brought the bear defense last year and caught the coaches by surprise. MSU, on the other hand, did absolutely nothing different than what they've done the last three years, and the offensive scheme going into the game did absolutely nothing to address it. Its like the coaches forgot who they were playing and thought that talent alone would overcome their lack of planning. The better prepared team won, thats for sure.
Correct, everything does run through Meyer... but I think my point is still valid. Zeke, and Beck, both have a vantage point that Urban does not. Without a knowledgeable person that can see what plays are working, what the defense is giving them, and most importantly take advantage of those, Urban is working off of only what he can see from the sideline at ground level. I don't know why he wasn't listening to Zeke, my guess would be because more than likely Zeke lobbies for more touches every single game. Beck on the other hand, is being paid many hundreds of thousands of dollars to do exactly what I wrote above, and he has consistently shown an inability to do it. He has to go.. And Urban desperately needs to get someone up there that can see the game for what it is, in real time, and can actually capitalize on it.
Agree to disagree on the coordinator hires, sometimes someone's "best" just isn't good enough. Not an officer at all, my username is a reference to a character in a movie (thanks to all the actual Officers out there though!). You nailed it at the end... Go Bucks and Screw Blue!
My understanding is its Beck first and foremost, with both Urban and Warriner chipping in, making suggestions, etc. Although last night it didn't look like anyone was, they just set "QB Run" on repeat into the microphone and went to take a nap.
Side note: maybe they should put someone in the box who isn't responsible for anything other than noting trends on both sides of the ball. My thinking is if they don't have any play to play responsibility, maybe they could recognize running the freaking QB over and over isn't working.
I feel for you Matt, going through the film and statistics from yesterday had to be truly terrible. You should have just posted a big picture of someone who shit themself under the title and called it a day.
Urban's kryptonite is not Mark Dantonio, it's hiring competent assistants. Everet Withers' atrocious secondary held the team back in 2013, and this year it was Tim Beck's turn to completely destroy any kind of offensive identity the team had, then exacerbate that with very poor play calling. Urban is going to drive himself crazy ala Florida if he can't find some competent assistant coaches to shoulder the work load.
Maybe then when the coaches say, "we have to get better", they actually will.
This is my fear, that at least a segment of the team does not agree with and does not trust what the coaches are calling, thereby creating a divided locker room. Now that he grand prize is out of reach, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that segment of players (whoever they may be) start mailing it in. I fear the season could be spiraling down as we speak.
Allbucks, I didn't mean to imply we can't trust Meyer, I just don't particularly subscribe to the "he's the coach so we have to agree with everything he says and does" methodology of addressing the team's issues. Simple fact is, he's made two bad hires that dearly cost the team, Everett Withers being the first. Do I trust him to get it corrected? Yes I do, but the lack of offensive identity this year already cost them a playoff spot... That can't be debated.
"Trust in Meyer" was the mantra most people employed when Nebraska fans were laughing at us for hiring Tim Beck in the first place.
I really wish the coaches would stop saying, "we have to get better" and you know, actually do it.
Can't put too much of the blame on the D, they were put out there way too much and for way too long. Simple fact is, you need to score more than 14 points in a big game. Meyer should be accepting O-Coordinator resumes this week, I think the Tim Beck experiment is over. If he can't win with these players, he won't ever win period.