Yeah, having record setting offenses does suck, thanks Braxton.
Braxton has had exactly ONE multi-int game. You give him Krenzel's defense - Holy Buckeye probably isn't necessary, though I would trust him to make that play (See Wisconsin 2011, a much better opponent, Braxton as a Freshman)
"Executing the gameplan"
Show me the numbers comparing the offensive output of the 4 QBs mentioned, I don't think Krenzel wins that one. He made plays in the clutch against bad teams because the offense he ran, when MoC was out, was not very good (Purdue, Cincy, Illinois to name a few). The Defense and special teams often kept us in games. Look at the numbers, and consider who "executed the gameplan" best.
People seem to forget that, as memorable as that play was, OSU was in that position due to the offense's ineptitude without MoC. If Smith is the QB in that game, I'd be willing to bet Holy Buckeye isn't necessary to win it.
Didn't the '07 Gators that lost 4 games (including one to Michigan) with a heisman QB and Percy Harvin have the same coaches as it had the following year when it won it all? (rhetorical question - it did).
"Tressel's players" went 6-7 with Tressel Disciples.
Meyer proceeded to go 12-0 with said players.
I loved Tress as much as anyone, but to ignore the impact of the culture change and coaching of Meyer is pure idiocy.
Please institute this rule. I would hate to see this respectable board go the way of the scout/bucknuts board. The reaction after 1 loss already suggests it could be headed that way with all of the "FIRE COACH (insert any member of the staff who was part of 25 game regular season win streak)!" threads.
People thought the sky was falling the year OSU beat Oregon in the Rose Bowl, especially after that Purdue loss (Bollman/Tressel are inept, move Pryor to WR, season is lost, etc.). We'll be fine. Excited to see how this year develops, and to watch the players grow from the loss. Go bucks
First regular season loss since November 2011. Please calm down everyone. thank you for this thread.
Edit: double post
Looks like the RNC didn't consult Joakim Noah on this decision
I don't follow recruits on twitter, and obtain all of the recruiting information I ultimately ingest from this site - but I've not once seen a recruit mention anything to the effect of "I chose (school) due to the amount of love grown ass men were showing me on twitter! shoutout to my followers #(school)nation!"
Fans do have a significant role in recruiting, though. Strong showings at games, frequenting OSU affinity sites like 11w, having a wide geographic footprint,etc can be positive reinforcement for a recruit without fans acting like assholes.
Krenzel was the perfect QB for that system - did not make mistakes, made plays when it mattered (4th and 14 vs Miami, Holy Buckeye, etc) and was an integral part of an unforgettable team.
With that said, under Krenzel, the offenses were anemic (put down your pitchforks - Krenzel was a great representation of OSU football and embodied everything Tresselball could be when executed correctly). This could be due to conservative play calling, or simply the coaches acknowledging the limits of Krenzel's abilities, or having a defense that alleviated the pressure on the offense to be overly aggressive.
Interestingly, Braxton gets a terribly unfair shake from a sizable portion of the fan base who clamor for a "pass first, run 2nd QB." All the while, he's been the best player on two of the best offenses, statistically speaking, in OSU's history (not to mention the 2 B1G POY awards...). That Braxton has 1 (ONE!) game in his career with multiple INTs (2), and also has a knack for making huge plays makes one wonder the possibilities of putting that 02 defense (or most of the Tressel-era defenses, for that matter) with last year's team (Sigh).
A random screen shot of a facebook post from a random guy on twitter with ~150 followers?
Yeah, seems legit.
Always nice to see the stampede of message board Mother Teresas riding in on their high horses to pass judgment on a high school kid (Gibson, Crawford, Glover-Williams) that very few (if any) actually knows personally. But hey, keep propagating that phony Freudian Psychoanalysis, because it's very obvious that anyone with two eyes and half a brain that even the simplest of derelicts can gleam some semblance of truth as to the nature of a kid's character based on a tweet or libelous internet story. Gotta love the internet right?
Until Mindy Drayer reviews the tape I won't even consider its legitimacy. Never trust a video of a fight until you get the full Drayer analysis
Oh yeah, Remember when Vrabel and Urban got in a fight?? Gotta love the internet.
And when a kid from the South goes all the way to Ohio? (Vonn Bell, Raekwon, Dixon).
Yeah, SMH. OSU boosters must operating
As Urban said when he was hired, the SEC is hot right now. Great campuses, stadiums, facilities, traditions, rivalries, etc. People here who cant give Saban/Malzhan/Franklin credit without accusing kids of accepting money is reminiscent of petulant, envious Big 10 fans who get upset when OSU flips a recruit or gets one previously thought to be a long shot.
And other times, you're not meant to use proper grammar.
and ESPN covers it like it's news! Gotta love the offseason.
A well written article with a number of fair points, but I think this (as many OSU fans have done) undervalues Braxton's playmaking abilities. How quickly we forget Braxton "dancing" his way to back to back 2000 yds passing, 1000 yds rushing seasons, along with back to back Big Ten POY awards? His "dancing" has carried us to back to back undefeated seasons. His "dancing" has already rewritten a number of OSU quarterback records and will continue to do so. The most under appreciated star athlete that I've seen in all of my years as a Buckeye fan.
Playing a contact sport hurt Christian Bryant. OSU lost to Michigan State because it allowed 400+ plus yards to an offense that had been anemic for much of the year. By all accounts, Braxton was running the ball better than Hyde during the MSU game (YPC, longest run, TDs). If Heurman (sp) makes a block on that play, it's a different story. Why not run what had been your best running threat, with a 230+ lb running back as a lead blocker? OSU lost to Clemson because similarly, its defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. That it was the first time in school history OSU had lost while scoring 35+ leaves the assertion that it's somehow the fault of OSU's offensive coaches (who have broken almost every OSU offensive record over the past two seasons), Braxton's "dancing", or Hyde not receiving the ball more is dubious at best.
The play calling could have been better at times, yes. But in many instances Hyde would have - and should have - gotten the ball more if we weren't engaged in shootouts, instances in which Miller's ability to run and pass for larger chunks of yardage were of higher value.
Refreshing to see a recruit with the foresight to know that the highest level of Football is played in the cold, in the heart of winter. Gotta embrace playing in the cold early!
A scenario: If Duke pulls off the unthinkable and beats FSU, and Mizzou beats Auburn.....Bama or Mizzou??
The announcers just will not admit that neither team looks good at all. Over/under on how many times Danielson passes off a poor play/execution as "miscommunication" between (X player/position and Y player/position)??
This is such an awesome gif, haha. What is this from?
Clooney also won an Oscar as a Producer for Argo