Read that article if you get a chance! It seems to be the latest news on how Wilcher sees things with Urban.
Read that article if you get a chance! It seems to be the latest news on how Wilcher sees things with Urban.
I see what you're saying, but I'm saying if he does pick up another injury to his shoulder it wouldn't necessarily affect his draft status as a non quarterback. He won't need to be able to throw at the combine and pre draft workouts. His shoulder would just need to reach a point where his range of motion allows him to catch balls. If he demonstrates the ability to catch balls and runs a 4.4 or better in the 40 he will still be a draft pick. His status wouldn't allow him to be a first or second round guy obviously, but he doesn't need to switch positions prior to the draft to get drafted. It could actually hurt him if he played as a receiver or an H back and isn't able to perform on the field next year. A torn labrum for a receiver or a running back isn't nearly as devastating as it would be for a QB. He doesn't need to be Brees 2.0. He just needs to be able to make teams believe he can be Randle El 2.0.
Maybe he would rather take his chances at QB and if he does get hurt I'm sure there is an NFL team that will sign him if not draft him as a receiver/running back/return man. QBs are known to be stubborn when it comes to changing positions and the only way I see Braxton switching positions is if he doesn't return to full strenght as a passer. I have always been of the opinion that if he is fully healthy even by week 4 or 5 he will be the starting QB.
Everything I have heard from Urban leads me to believe that he feels like he will owe Braxton at least a chance to show he is the starter. After all Braxton was injured for 3 games minus one series at the beginning of 2013 and if he had been able to get his 15 TDs give or take against the weakest portion of our schedule that year he would have broken all the records JT broke this year IMO.
It should also be noted that Cass Tech's coach Wilcher (sp?) was the one saying those things on the radio not Weber. Fans make the assumption that he was actually speaking accurately on behalf of Weber, when in reality we will probably never know whether he was expressing his own feelings based entirely upon his assumptions of Weber's feelings, or whether Weber ever actually addressed those feelings directly with his HS coach.
I am not saying the coach should be called names or anything of that sort. I'm simply questioning the credibility of his comments.
After what we saw transpire on the field this past season I will always feel good about a kid who wants to earn their offer. Darron lee showed me what confidence, hard work, and passion for the school can do to motivate a young player coming out of high school. I know the situations are slightly different, but I still like what I hear from a kid like Ward who didn't wait for OSU to give him what he wanted, and instead decided to go get what he wanted, an offer.
I am not aware of any...I believe you can have as much contact as you want with one of your own players. They can certainly visit him at school, but I wouldn't be surprised if they prefer to meet his whole family again, and make sure they all feel comfortable and get to know Alford better.
I would bet Urban Meyer has Alford on it already! His first order of business is/was probably to go straight to the Weber household.
I like that thought....
As Shawneebuck74 pointed out, a man by the name of Stephan Collier wears the scarlet and grey as well. He should be pretty darn good in his own right. He may have been a 3 star recruit, but he is 6'3 225 with a heck of an arm and very nice accuracy for such a young player. His intangibles are off the charts if you believe what Urban and Herman have said about him, and I thought he looked good throwing with Cardale pregame at the sugar bowl.
We will get to see a lot of him in the spring since he should be getting 2 type reps in practice. He should also get to play the entire spring game, and I for one am excited to see what the kid can do. He enrolled early last year and should have a good handle on the offense.
OSU could also make releasing him contingent upon choosing a school outside the big ten. I don't think OSU should release him and allow him to go sign wherever he wants including TSUN.
Even releasing him would send a terrible signal to future recruits, and set a very bad standard for OSU to follow. If recruit "X's" position coach leaves after they sign their LOI, then they just throw a fit so that OSU let them go elsewhere without some accountability on the recruit's side. I think that is a bad idea. I ALSO DON'T think we know what Weber wants to do. I am not saying he is throwing a fit, because his coach is the only one talking to a slanted reporter for TSUN.
If he is allowed to sign elsewhere then OSU need to make it contingent upon him not signing within the B1G or at least with any B1G East school.
According to Birm who has sources inside and close to the program, Mike Weber had been telling tOSU coaches he was solid on OSU and his commitment to them up until the night before signing day. Birm's track record demonstrates the accuracy and reliability of those sources, and I am inclined to believe what Birm's source(s) were telling him the truth, and if Weber doesn't notify OSU until the night before signing day that their only RB commit is thinking about changing his commitment, then I think Weber shoulders some of the responsibility for how this entire situation seems to have gone down.
However, I would like to wait for more information, which hopefully we will get at some point in time. Weber could have been deceiving the staff as much as Weber feels he may have been deceived. I think OSU would have liked the courtesy of knowing Weber was thinking hard about flipping so they could pursue an alternate option two weeks earlier. If Weber tells the staff a week before signing day that he is wavering then I think if tOSU coaches know Drayton might be leaving then they should have told Weber and his parents, but when you are talking about all this at the last minute on the night before signing day with no real opportunities to go out and sign another RB in this class then I think you try and keep Weber committed. As long as Weber did not ask directly for a guarantee that Drayton would be the RB coach this year, then I really can't blame Urban for withholding that information. If they told Weber the night before signing day about Drayton leaving, then they are also only going to make the decision all the more murkier for him. Both sides may have been a little bit misleading, but it is not a fact that both ides knew about everything well in advance.
It is entirely possible Drayton did not find out he was getting the job until Wednesday afternoon or even Thursday. If that is the case then it is just unfortunate timing. Urban knows his assistants are interviewing and i am sure a handful of his coaches interviewed for jobs and most of them did not get the job they got interviewed for anyway. The coaches don't and shouldn't go telling every recruit they are interviewing for another job when it happens with regularity and will only cause problems, and often the job is never offered. I think if the job was not offered prior to Wednesday morning then this is all just unfortunate timing.
If my memory serves me correctly the B1G started allowing 4 year scholarships to be awarded back in the 2012 class. I think I remember Gene Smith stating all of them (2012 class) were receiving 4 year scholarships. If this statement was made and in turn occurred it really doesn't matter if Urban tells them to leave. They know they have 4 years guaranteed. The difference with years prior and maybe since that class is that a player must have his scholarship renewed each year. Coaches can come up with a reason to boot them, but a coach loses that ability with the 4 year scholarship. That 2012 class will be seniors and redshirt juniors this coming season. Medical redshirts could change some of those guys eligibility status, but either way it is semantics if we're talking about 4 year scholarships.
Bogard, Reeves, Dunn, and Tanner received those guaranteed 4 year scholarships. Urban could tell them to leave and take a medical hardship waiver, or whatever the term used to recognize scholarship guys who do not count toward the 85, but IMO if the coaches aren't going to play them, those players can choose to transfer if they want to continue playing football or stay and get their degree on scholarship as a medical waiver.
To me oversigning is only dirty if the kid can't get his degree for free anymore from the school. Just my opinion, and I am sure others will disagree. The obligation is to give them a great college education, and as long as they can still get that from OSU, and if they want to they can obviously transfer if they wish to keep playing then I don't think that is really at all dirty. Kicking a kid to the curb with nothing is the dirty side of oversigning iMO.
I do believe Elliot's importance in Weber's recruitment was first acknowledged yesterday by Urban, which is a nice tactic by Meyer in itself. He isn't simply thumping his chest acting like he is this one man show out and is out there on the road recruiting these guys. He is the one who told the press that Zeke is the best recruiter he has seen in a player.
Well he did pull Prince away from his soft commitment to Alabama and Hill who was also deciding between 'Bama and tOSU. No offense to Jim mora, but beating out TSUN for a TE and slightly more impressively a Georgia LB from Georgia, none of those schools present the opponent that Saban and Alabama present in recruiting battles.
however, if you wish to offer a critique of Meyer then you should be pointing out that he failed to land Porter Gustin who chose USC on Tuesday. Granted Urban was trying to steal a kid in a few weeks who had been recruited hard for well over a year by UsC's staff, but still if you wish to nitpick then you can chalk that up as a loss. If TSUN had taken Weber back last minute it would have been hugely embarrassing and so there was a little more riding on that battle than the one Mora was fighting with them. Ultimately the Weber fight was about prestige and Urban's reputation.IMO
I think Dunn's recruitment when Meyer took the job back in November 2011 was similar, in that he was wavering on his commitment to tOSU and was seriously considering TSUN. Dunn and Weber were both similarly rated recruits and so I think there is some comparison when it comes to the importance of the fight.
I could be wrong so please don't DV the living hell out of me if that's the case, but I noticed during the season that the scholarship list seemed out of date. For instance Jayme Thompson transferred prior to this past season, and I think I noticed at least one other obvious mistake if the news I saw was correct, and the OSU athletic department's roster is correct he isn't on it. As a result I discounted that list as not being up to date. Maybe it's just one or two mistakes, but I wouldn't use that spreadsheet as fact. 11W is the best and I have no doubt it will be updated, but I think that list is out of date on at least Thompson and Dodson. I can't remember who the other player I noticed was present on the list but not on the roster.
if I'm wrong please correct me kindly!
I did see that the Google spreadsheet doesn't have those guys. Sorry, Im simply referencing the 11W scholarship grid.
You are incorrect in your statement regarding that '06 Florida team. Media were talking about Zook and how well he recruited while he was at Florida even before the BCS game in '06. They almost all point out how Zook couldn't win with those stud recruits who were now playing at a very high level for Meyer. Zook couldn't coach. It was meant as a complement to Meyer, and was thrown around even before the clock ran out during the BCS title game. I am almost positive the broadcasters brought Zook up during the game. Florida fans simply tried to change the narrative AFTER Meyer left, because they wanted to discredit him. Credit went his way while he was there for what he did with the same players that Zook could only take to 7-5 record.
In relation to tOSU, it doesn't really matter to me whose players are whose and anything else regarding the make up of the current roster. JT took tOSU program to another level when he took over for Cooper, and Meyer has done the same with the standard from the Tressel era. The bar has been raised higher with each permanent HC since Cooper. The program has continued to improve and that is all that matters to me. They are both fantastic coaches! One is already a HOF coach and Meyer will be there too one day.
You're exactly right. How would both JT and Cardale leave early if one of them is holding a clip board? NFL scouts would like to see some snaps in the season leading up to a guy leaving early. I think if Cardale gets the job he will definitely leave early, because if he is good enough and consistent enough to start next year then he is almost certain to be seen as a high first round pick at that point. If Cardale doesn't start then he will almost certainly transfer and play immediately somewhere else for his senior year, because he will graduate in December 2015. Braxton will be out of eligibility so obviously he will be leaving regardless, and that means JT will be the only QB left out of the 3. IMO he isn't the type of QB who will be drafted early due to the NFL's obsession with size and arm strength.
verdict: JT will be around no matter what and Braxton and Cardale will be gone.
I know when the game was being played back in '02 a lot of people pointed to Cooper as the guy who recruited a lot of the studs on that team. It was similar to the way people point out that Ron Zook recruited most of Urban's national championship team at florida in '06.
Yup, especially with Art's son calling plays. He looked like a HS cool kid on the sideline of the Cotton bowl with a headset on. Bring your kid to work day or something.
Yeah when I read that comment I immediately thought, wow that wasn't really close at all. Bucks got an 2-1 majority. Sounds like enough to change the American constitution in congress.
During the slowest time of year for CFB (after signing day and spring ball, and before fall camp begins in August) ESPN will occasionally go back and re-rate a top 50 or top 100 for classes. I think they usually choose 3 or 4 years into the past and then rerank them and write a piece on all of it.
Even with the - 3 to margin in the NCG we still finished +7 on the year. We were plus 10 going into the game. It's not like we had a negative turnover margin on the year. I would rather see our guys trying to make plays rather than worrying about being benched. Corey smith might go out of bounds rather than try to get the extra 20 yards next time if Urban benched players for fumbling.
in fact I think a player like Rod Smith may have turned out entirely different if he hadn't been benched for his fumbles early on as a freshman.he became more concerned with covering the ball up than finding the best running lane. It messed with his head IMO.
Jones' size alone is what makes him the best pro prospect OSU has at QB. Barrett and even Brax are both undersized for what most NFL teams would look for in a QB. Add in his arm strength and you have a player who would at least get looks form NFL teams even if he never started a college game. Matt Cassel anyone?? Back up at USC and still gets drafted in 7th round.
Is Gibson enrolling early? I thought I remember him being one of the guys who will enroll in January. If he is enrolling early then there is no need to worry until signing day in February, because he will be a buckeye signee as soon as he arrives for the spring semester.
It would be awesome for Grant's NFL draft stock if he could have a lock down performance against Cooper and 'Bama. It would instantly put him on any NFL team's radar who needs a corner. I think he has been projected depending on the "draft guru" you trust as anywhere from a 3rd rounder up to 1st round. A game and an opponent like this would do a lot to help him move towards the 1st or 2nd round.