There are many in between the two extremes too. It's a big fanbase with a broad spectrum of passion. It is possible to love this team without it causing prolonged misery.
And perhaps there is the answer to our questions all season. One team tonight was a team playing for each other, and the other is a group of guys playing for their futures.
Edit: I don't believe this is true for these guys, but their response to this, the first sign of adversity this season is to make these kind of announcements before the season is over and at the beginning of hate week...I don't know how to feel about it but there is no positive spin to put on it.
Now we can hit the reset button on getting away with whatever the hell kind of offense was put on the field this year.
It's a debate over a read option offense vs a pro style offense. Quarterbacks get hurt in the pocket too. A lot.
I enjoyed seeing that very much about 10 months ago!
That was my take as well.
I thought he played well in coverage except in the end zone where he was behind the targeted receiver with no chance to disrupt the play for both Gopher touchdowns. He does a good job of getting his head turned at the right time in order to maintain his ability to make a play without getting flagged between the end zones though.
He has been suspect at times this season, but in the past, especially the post season last year, steps up when the pressure is on in big moments. Bama tried all night to match Amari Cooper against Apple instead of Grant and Apple was lights out when that happened.
The offense was more effective when Cardale got the ball out quickly. His under throws and bad reads where he doesn't target open receivers is becoming a chronic problem, however there were drives where this was beautifully absent in that he was a quick and decisive executor. When he isn't, they stall though and that happens more often than not. Many times receivers created separation and had to come back to the ball. This was most noticeable in Thomas' frustration in the end zone when he had the separation but jones didn't get the ball out fast enough and by the time it got to Thomas, he was out of space and covered.
False. Muffed punts was the reason the game was close. JT had an 80 yd touchdown run also.
I like the way the offense works so much better with JT right now, but I understand that the coaches are trying to develop a very prolific set of skills for certain positions which, if developed, will make the Buckeyes very tough to beat. They must be able to execute it in practice because the staff seems committed to it. The game execution is just not there so JT appears to be the backup plan when plan A fails.
With that said, I didn't hear the booing of Jones last night on TV, but if that's true, well then I think the folks that would do that need to have a sit down with Phil Esposito. I know the environment and dynamics at play aren't nearly the same as they were with the Summit Series, but the principles are the same. And when the team came home victorious, they didn't forget that some of their "fans' did this when the chips were down.
Jeesh, reading the responses to that tweet and just SMH.
Exactly Henry. When Harbaugh was hired, a friend (OSU fan) just looks at me and says "Harbaugh." I just said, I don't care if they're good, as long as the Buckeyes win. So far, the first part of that statement looks like it may be coming to fruition.
Some of the fans in this thread seem to just want to cancel the rest of the season and declare TTUN the B1G champs in week 6. I say lets watch for the Buckeyes to make the improvements they need against PSU. Let's see if TTUN can keep their momentum going or if they flame out. I think we're in for a HELL of a game on 11/28 and it gives me goosebumps. But the thing is, The Game has been a shootout with lousy TUN teams for the last few years. This time, it has a chance to actually mean something more than just an escape from a lousy rival with a clapping cartoon on the sidelines. I remember enjoying the 2006 win very much.
According to ACE, he is rumored to be maybe coming back for the MSU game. Sorry for a
mgo link, but He links to scout behind a paywall. http://mgoblog.com/content/monday-recruitin-grabs-spatula
Yes but so was Earle. Playing on emotion is a wild card.
That's fair, and I don't mean to sound critical of what you're saying. I can't say whether or not the coaching staff lost confidence in Jones' ability to pass. I think that sometimes a narrative starts because "the announcer said it, it must be true."
I keep seeing the Penn State game brought up and I just want to point out that the two situations are not remotely the same. The PSU game had an OSU team that was a read option based offense with a mobile quarterback. The QB run was taken away from them in the first half due to an MCL sprain, which limited the playbook significantly. In order to get the offense going again, the injured QB convinced his coach that he could run, and did so with force on one good leg which won them the game.
I'm not on any "team" as far as QBs goes, but context matters in how this gets discussed.
I agree. I wasn't really ranking them so much as just listing the reasons that have been thrown out there.
Also still active on the list:
Or how bout that Quantico gal.
Why is Forrest Gump running full speed way past the end zone, and why is he being chased?
So the theory is, don't try to improve, just continue to be limited like the guy who was filling in for the guy who was less limited last year and is now a "part of the problem" because he is no longer injured. I didn't hear an argument for why he's starting, nor do I understand why JT Barrett is "part of the problem." Nor do I understand why continuing to limit his own growth is good for him or the team. Im not taking sides, but I don't buy what Trevor is selling.
Go Buckeyes, beat WMU!
Thanks for the excellent breakdown Kyle!