Men's tennis is sending a good number of players over to Tulsa, OK for the ITA All-American Championships
Jeff may feel bad and may even get made fun of, but it is highly unlikely that anything really bad is going to happen to him as a result of Ramzy's piece.
Just as fans like Jeff, Skid, etc. shouldn't assume that the targets of their commentary would be receptive, I don't think that's a safe assumption for you to make, however unlikely. I don't wish to be melodramatic, but as a former middle school teacher that has seen his share of traumatic cyber bullying, making those sorts of assumptions are rarely worth the price. I get what you're saying, but still, I'm not sure I'd want to be the person making that assumption and dealing with the potential fallout.
My bad, I don't mean to single Skid out here. In all honesty, I've barely read any of his posts, simply what was referred to in Ramzy's original article (that in and of itself says something about how some people may be unwittingly victimized/villainized here). But, my point remains that there is plenty of disgusting commentary that goes on a recruit chooses a different school, or as someone else pointed out, even when one of our current stars has a bad day.
I completely agree with you, and I think we perceive 11 Warriors similarly. However, in my defense, I wasn't the one who originally coined this label of professional journalism--Ramzy did in his article as a distinction between what they do and what common fans do. I didn't set them on this pedestal--like any good argument, I simply pointed out their own self-label.
I'm not sure how from all this you've distilled that I'm "cool with Jeff" and compare what he does to what Birm does for a living. I repeatedly refer to Jeff's commentary as embarrassing, problematic, face-palming moments. Like many here, the Buckeye fan in me is thankful that his voluntary recruiting efforts have been temporarily suspended, thanks largely in part to Ramzy's article. What I'm calling into question, however, is do the ends justify the means?
I appreciate your thoughtful response, Ramzy. It was not my intention to belittle the thought process that goes behind your work. As I said originally, I'm generally a huge fan of 11 Warriors' work, particularly when it comes to rhetoric. I look forward to reading Jason's upcoming article and gaining valuable insight into what you guys do.
I feel like you're missing my point somewhere, but refer to Bolt's concise and accurate summary below. Sweet jeezus, I never said I was in charge, claimed to want to be, or anything nearly so ridiculous. I very simply disagree with the manner in which Ramzy publicly and irrevocably shamed Jeff in his article. Just like you are very simply disagreeing with me on that. If you have an issue with the title of my forum post, it was an attempt at rhetorical parallelism.
Irrelevant. What difference does it make if Ramzy or anyone else on the staff of a free website gets paid?
In the original article, Ramzy uses that as a justification to distinguish the conduct of a professional journalist (like Birm, in his example) to that of the common, misguided fan (like Jeff), so I'd argue that that makes it entirely relevant. That's exactly my point too. Us plebeians, we can sit here and troll, degrade, insult one another as much as we want (for the most part), because hell, we're Amurricans and that's within our rights to. But, as a paid journalist covering recruiting for a credentialed media organization that gets millions of hits a week during the offseason, as Ramzy points out with his example of Birm, this affords them certain privileges and powers. He's absolutely allowed to publish whatever he wants as a paid journalist covering recruiting for a credentialed media organization that gets millions of hits a week during the offseason--I'm not saying he's not. But how is using your position as a professional journalist to publicly humiliate some misguided fan at all emblematic of the integrity of the work that you claim they feel the need to preserve? Did Jeff somehow discredit their body of journalistic integrity with his nonsensical commentary? No. Bottom line: Jeff and all the other Jeffs out there, their behavior is embarrassing and problematic--but I guess I find the need for a professional journalist to publicly flame Jeff even more problematic, particularly when he's a fellow Buckeye.
I would like to reiterate that I'm drawing a clear distinction between the misguided commentary from fans like Jeff and the disgustingly dehumanizing commentary from fans like Skid21. That I think we can all agree on, is just wrong.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we can all agree that the NCAA has about zero credibility when it comes to its ability to enforce its own policies nowadays, much less to hold universities accountable for what their fan bases tweet at recruits. I won't presume to speak for Ramzy, but I don't think his message to Jeff was so much "please stop committing NCAA violations" as much as it was "please stop being an asshole."
I completely agree. The advent of the internet and social media has been wonderful and terrible. More than ever, we have the ability to immediately and irrevocably say whatever we want, to whomever we want forever and ever. I'm not disagreeing with the content of Ramzy's message, I'm disagreeing with the way in which the message was sent. Just smacks of irresponsible journalism. Ostensibly, he gets paid to provide the audience with insightful content that may or may not have to do with OSU football. Loosely framing an article on appropriate etiquette to single out individuals' online conduct just struck me as a bit mean-spirited, verging on unprofessional. If you wanna put michigan ilk on blast, that'll always be gravy with me. But ultimately, Ramzy used his position as a journalist to publicly shame fellow Buckeyes, and that just seems wrong to me. #SameTeam
Not to mention they have a signed LOI from Hugo Di Feo, a top 20 junior player in the world.
Best of 3 doubles matches for 1 point.
Thrilled to see Tucker and his program finally getting some much deserved recognition. He's quietly developed one of the most dominant programs in NCAA history. OSU is lucky to keep him, gawd knows those traditional tennis powerhouses would love to have him.
Love the shout-out to Blaz Rola and OSU men's tennis. What Ty Tucker has done for that program is nothing short of remarkable for one of the most dominant--and under appreciated--athletic programs at OSU.
V: "Sweep the leg."
M: [stares at him in shock]
V: "Do you have a problem with that?"
M: "No, Sensei."
V: "No mercy."